<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Ha! Our replies came in at the same time, Todd. Are you still involved with the Graphic Artists Guild?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Deb</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56 PM Todd LeMieux <<a href="mailto:todd@toddlemieux.com">todd@toddlemieux.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Great replies, and I completely agree. </div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">I really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of creative services (designers, web developers, photographers, musicians, etc) “contests” to get essentially free work (and usually underpaid, for the “winner”, if there is any payment involved). It’s just plain wrong.</div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Deb, your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a similar contest for bookkeeping services, or for legal representation? You get the point.</div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Sincerely,</div><div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Todd</div> <br> <div id="gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_sign_1569520201099033856">
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</div> <br><p>On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss (<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div><div></div><div>
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Hi Jessica,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(68,68,68)">I
agree with Rich. If your business is a profit-making business which
offers services to help people thrive, then paying for graphic
design services are helping a qualified graphic designer to
"thrive".</div>
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What you have proposed is called "spec work", where you are only
willing to pay for a "winning" design. This spec work is frowned
upon in the graphic design industry. Imagine you sit down at a
restaurant and you ask them to serve you 6 different dishes, you
try each one, and only pay for the one you found tasty. You would
never do that. Not many professions deal with this issue the
way creatives do. And the Graphic Artists Guild, among others,
speak up about it, have worked on Pricing and Ethical Guidelines
(PEGS) for just these types of issues, and support their members as
they adhere to these industry guidelines. </div>
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You may be unaware of this issue, you may have seen other people do
contests like this and thought it was okay to do. But please be
aware that it is not accepted in our industry, and I for one,
kindly request that you choose to hire a qualified graphic designer
and negotiate fees that pay them a good rate for their good work.
If you are not familiar with this hiring process, how to choose a
qualified designer, I am sure there are many folks here who can
help you out with that, and some will be willing to quote on your
project and provide trusted advice on various aspects of the
process through to completion. </div>
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Best on this project,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM
Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">I'm running a design
contest</span> for the back and box of a customized deck of
<i>Connection Cards</i>, which are used in a program that helps
participants get to know new people, build social connections, and
develop friendships. Each card has a question that participants
answer as part of the program. There will be a <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">$150 prize for the winning
design.</span> You may email <a href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jessica@growingwellness.life</a> for entry guidelines.
Please pass along to anyone who may be interested.</p>
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Thanks!<br>
Jessica<br></p>
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