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style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thanks, I was actually thinking of writing a book on
why competition is
tremendously inefficient and costly in almost all situations,
the economy and
social change being some of the most pronounced.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I want to not only lay
out my reasoning as to
why it is and why it, paradoxically, is still the predominate
means of getting
things done in society, but also give some alternatives. <span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You suggesting I write a
book on it, unprovoked,
makes me think maybe I should put more effort into getting it
done!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">A holon is something that is both a whole and a part
at the same time
and a holarchy is a connection between holons and holarchy is
where the term
holocracy gets its name.</span></font></p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Aaron E-J
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-26 8:55 PM, Shel Horowitz
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<div dir="ltr">I like it. If you have these ideas sufficiently
fleshed out, there may be a book in it. Does the word "holon"
relate to "holocracy"?
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:26
PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <<a
href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span>This
discussion of the need to work for less than a fair wage
got me thinking of an idea I had a while back. <span> </span>The
idea is a kind of 'jobs fair' that would be open to
anyone, and anyone who attended would be either
guaranteed a job or funding for a startup.<span> </span>The
amount of time that people spend competing for: first a
college degree, then a job, then maybe funding for a
business idea, is enormous.<span> </span>It can often
result in needing to compromise your moral principles
and spend most of your time doing things in areas you
are not passionate about. <span> </span>Constantly
needing to be judged and being told that you are not as
good as someone else who got the job you wanted, puts a
tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire to interact
with others.<span> </span>On the other side, someone
looking to hire the right person has to spend a
considerable amount of time wading through tons of
applicants before eventually arriving at someone you
actually want to hire.<span> </span>And if you have an
ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down
because they are not the right fit feels horrible.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span>The way
I conceived of the 'job fair' working would be in two
stages.<span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span>The
first stage would be a sign up and stakeholder gathering
phase. <span> </span>Job seekers would fill out an
online form detailing their skills and interests and any
ideas for solutions to unsolved problems they had.<span>
</span>Employers (worker coops and businesses that agree
to not throw their employees under the proverbial bus if
the job does not work out) would sign up and agree to
employ people to work <i><span>with</span></i> them and
not <i><span>for</span></i> them.<span> </span>Business
investors and venture capitalists would sign up and work
on forming business ideas with people who do not see an
existing role with any of the existing business that are
hiring.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span>Then
the second stage would be the actual conference where
everyone gets to know each other and job seekers and job
fillers seek mutual skills and interests.<span> </span>The
people who do not have career goals and skills in line
with those being sought, and those with business ideas
they are looking to actualize, would work with the
business investors and venture capitalists. <span> </span>Together,
they would form new worker cooperative businesses around
the solutions previously identified in the first stage
that everyone on the table can get behind.<span> </span>These
cooperatives would act as <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">holons</a>,
each independent entities, but with the ability to
utilize each other's resources to some extent.<span> </span>There
would also be a buffer fund established that all the
cooperatives earning a positive income would contribute
to and those needing a more income could draw from.<span>
</span>The way the investors would get compensated is
that they would be seen as one of the cooperatives.<span>
</span>If the investors want to withdraw some of their
investment, their financial balance would be negative
and therefore a proportion of the buffer fund will go to
them.<span> </span>This siphoning of money to an
investor will only continue until a previously agreed
upon return on investment is achieved or the person
invests more money back into the system. <span> </span>Because
the contribution will only be a portion of the <i><span>profit</span></i>,
if some or all cooperatives are not earning a profit,
they will not need to contribute to the buffer.<span> </span>Obviously
exact details will need to be worked out when more
people get involved, but that is the general way I am
envisioning the financing working. <span> </span>It may
also make sense to involve colleges and others in the
education sphere.<span> </span>They could be seen as
business investors. <span> </span>Although they may not
be providing financial support, they can still provide
significant resources and as a result have a share of
the profit.<span> </span>However, the exact nature of
their compensation would need to be figured out because
education is rarely easily quantifiable.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span> </span>The
important point in all this is that people are not
competing – there would be the explicit edict that no
one is left out and no one is forced to do things they
have no desire to do (of course it may be necessary for
some people to do undesired tasks, but these tasks
should be for the purpose of fulfilling desired goals).</span></p>
<span><span> </span>What do people think of this
idea and is anyone interested in working on it with me?<span>
</span>I would not be surprised if we could get some grant
funding to get the ball rolling.</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
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<pre class="gmail-m_7230577035170871010moz-signature" cols="72">Aaron E-J
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<div class="gmail-m_7230577035170871010moz-cite-prefix">On
2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Ha! Our replies came in at
the same time, Todd. Are you still involved with the
Graphic Artists Guild?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">Deb</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019
at 1:56 PM Todd LeMieux <<a
href="mailto:todd@toddlemieux.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">todd@toddlemieux.com</a>>
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<div
id="gmail-m_7230577035170871010gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Great
replies, and I completely agree. </div>
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<div
id="gmail-m_7230577035170871010gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">I
really haven’t seen this in any other industry
outside of creative services (designers, web
developers, photographers, musicians, etc)
“contests” to get essentially free work (and
usually underpaid, for the “winner”, if there is
any payment involved). It’s just plain wrong.</div>
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<div
id="gmail-m_7230577035170871010gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Deb,
your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a
similar contest for bookkeeping services, or for
legal representation? You get the point.</div>
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<div
id="gmail-m_7230577035170871010gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Sincerely,</div>
<div
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<p>Todd M. LeMieux<br>
413.237.6869<br>
[Graphic Design + Creative Direction]<br>
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<p>On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah
Chandler via Hidden-discuss (<a
href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>)
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<div class="gmail_default"> Hi Jessica,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> <br>
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<div class="gmail_default">I agree with
Rich. If your business is a
profit-making business which offers
services to help people thrive, then
paying for graphic design services are
helping a qualified graphic designer to
"thrive".</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> What you have
proposed is called "spec work", where
you are only willing to pay for a
"winning" design. This spec work is
frowned upon in the graphic design
industry. Imagine you sit down at a
restaurant and you ask them to serve you
6 different dishes, you try each one,
and only pay for the one you found
tasty. You would never do that. Not many
professions deal with this issue the way
creatives do. And the Graphic Artists
Guild, among others, speak up about it,
have worked on Pricing and Ethical
Guidelines (PEGS) for just these types
of issues, and support their members as
they adhere to these industry
guidelines. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> You may be
unaware of this issue, you may have seen
other people do contests like this and
thought it was okay to do. But please be
aware that it is not accepted in our
industry, and I for one, kindly request
that you choose to hire a qualified
graphic designer and negotiate fees that
pay them a good rate for their good
work. If you are not familiar with this
hiring process, how to choose a
qualified designer, I am sure there are
many folks here who can help you out
with that, and some will be willing to
quote on your project and provide
trusted advice on various aspects of the
process through to completion. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> Best on this
project,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"> Deb</div>
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Sep 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Jessica Gifford
via Hidden-discuss <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <span>Hi All,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span>I'm
running a design contest</span>
for the back and box of a customized
deck of <i>Connection Cards</i>,
which are used in a program that
helps participants get to know new
people, build social connections,
and develop friendships. Each card
has a question that participants
answer as part of the program. There
will be a <span>$150 prize for the
winning design.</span> You may
email <a
href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jessica@growingwellness.life</a>
for entry guidelines. Please pass
along to anyone who may be
interested.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Thanks!<br>
Jessica<br>
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