<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Denise,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">There was a time, pre-computer, when us designers had to do everything manually and it held more value, because not every Tom, Dick and Happy had the tools to create it, let alone the talent. We used T-squares (or parallel rules), triangles, mechanical board, X-Acto knives, galleys of typesetting sent out to a service bureau, we did our own color separations, used acetate or Rubylith overlays, registration marks, or glued it all down with rubber cement or wax. Created our own black and white images in the "stat room" (breathed in some nasty chemicals, too) </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Now, with personal computers a dime a dozen, *anyone* can create what is called "graphic design". But that does not mean they have our in-depth education and years of experience. I have a Bachelors in Graphic Design from Mass College of Art from 1983, the year right before the advent of Mac computers. I'm getting all nostalgic...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Those bicycle messengers in Boston were so kickass, dodging and weaving through traffic with no helmets, to get a big rush job back to us on the waterfront from the service bureau in Southie before they closed. We didn't have fax machines back then. Crazy how much has changed. We had to really think and plan our design executions. Mistakes cost us money. Now, it's just a Command Z. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#444444">Dinosaur Designer Deb </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:33 PM Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Kris,<div><br></div><div>I've always likened the idea of these skills being too easy to be paid their worth as being seen as simple as coloring. What I don't get is if they clearly see these skills as so simplified it requires little to no pay, why don't they just do it themselves? I am, by no means, implying that is the case here. Good/great designers cost money, and I completely understand the overwhelming weight of the costs any organization, or individual lacking the funds, can be.</div><div><br></div><div>Denise</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM kris badertscher via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">As a media and communications/graphic designer, I found this <i>contest</i> to be incredibly disrespectful to the ever-expanding community of pioneer valley creatives who so often have to go against their better judgement and take work either pro bono (hoping that it leads to paid a gig), for barter, or for slave-wage labor just in order to pay a bill.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">This cultivated western Massachusetts mentality of bargaining for free or underpaid labor predominates in this region where creative workers are consistently being taken advantage of because so few opportunities present themselves. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Whether it's photography, video, graphic design, or another skilled creative endeavor, other professionals in the Valley seem to think that these skills require nothing more than just a press of a button. Or maybe they do know and understand that having a subscription to Adobe or Microsoft products or other applications, plus equipment and training in order to make their designs for clients are outrageously expensive and they don't care. Because right, there's always the bounty of students to hire willing to put up with unpaid labor early in their careers. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">This mindset hurts all of us. We all then have to accept underpaid labor as an exploited community in order to survive, never mind <i>thrive</i>. What results is that no one outside the creative community gets a sense of what a project <u>actually</u> costs which repeats this unethical cycle. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Living in the age of wanting something for (nearly) nothing is doing everyone a disservice and my recommendation is to first research the market and know how much a particular job costs. And please consider the cost- not just of what you are offering in exchange for labor or products, but the cost to all of us who live with the consequences of that mindset. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers, Kris</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="http://sustainabilitydesigner.com" target="_blank">sustainabilitydesigner.com</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rich@OTN via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>You do realize that that amounts for barely 4 hours of a
reasonable wage for a graphic artist<br>
and that only goes to the winner -- really doesn't sound in line
with your company name.</p>
<p>I'd hope to see something more, maybe at least a percent of sales<br>
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<p>Think about it.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">I'm running a design
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helps participants get to know new people, build social
connections, and develop friendships. Each card has a question
that participants answer as part of the program. There will be
a <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">$150 prize
for the winning design.</span> You may email <a href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jessica@growingwellness.life</a> for
entry guidelines. Please pass along to anyone who may be
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