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<div style="font-family:sans-serif"><div style="white-space:normal"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">*Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy range are<br>
about as cheap as DVDs.</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as cheap", but I'd love to know where you're sourcing your thumb drives. On Amazon I see blank 4.7GB DVDs for around $0.25 / disk ~= $0.053 / GB. Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives for $125 ~= $2.50 / drive or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about 6x as expensive on a COGS basis unless I'm missing something.</p>
<p dir="auto">FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. Just about everything about the process will be simpler and faster.</p>
<p dir="auto">Eli</p>
<p dir="auto">On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><p dir="auto">At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk <hoogendyk@bio.umass.edu> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><p dir="auto">Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm just thinking of my own backups<br>
and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. However, if I'm talking about<br>
producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to extended family members<br>
(descendants of D.C.Graham – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham" style="color:#999">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham</a>), then it shoots<br>
way way out of my price range.</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">*Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy range are<br>
about as cheap as DVDs.<br>
</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#999; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#999"><p dir="auto">On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography <tomadams@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">Chris,<br>
<br>
"relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest<br>
thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video<br>
files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf.<br>
and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow<br>
for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen...</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">"Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always store well<br>
(the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards and USB<br>
thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant.<br>
</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">*Regards,*<br>
<br>
*Tom Adams, Director/Owner*<br>
*Reelife Documentary Productions <<a href="http://www.ReelifeProductions.com" style="color:#BBB">http://www.ReelifeProductions.com</a>> •<br>
**Folktography<br>
by Tom* <<a href="http://folktography.zenfolio.com" style="color:#BBB">http://folktography.zenfolio.com</a>><br>
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On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk <hoogendyk@bio.umass.edu><br>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">I'm open to suggestions.<br>
<br>
I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have<br>
it in a book like case<br>
that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book<br>
shelf in a library and be<br>
uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively<br>
"universally" accessible.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">recommend NOT using them. They</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">discuss further...</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto">*Regards,*<br>
*<br>
*<br>
*Tom Adams, Director/Owner*<br>
*Reelife Documentary Productions <<a href="http://www.ReelifeProductions.com" style="color:#BBB">http://www.ReelifeProductions.com</a>> •</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">**Folktography by Tom*</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"><<a href="http://folktography.zenfolio.com" style="color:#BBB">http://folktography.zenfolio.com</a>><br>
/• Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb /<br>
• Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996<br>
/(413) 575-9707//<br>
• Williamsburg, MA<br>
/<br>
<br>
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On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss<br>
<hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">respect to writing lots of DVDs</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> without burning out?<br>
<br>
I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see,</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">e.g.,<br>
<a href="https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729" style="color:#BBB">https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729</a>)<br>
on my</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> grandfather (see<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham" style="color:#BBB">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham</a>). In March, I</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">was about to head out to</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> China for<br>
a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">of my latest project with</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> 23 of<br>
his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">took the usual length of</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> time to<br>
burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">scan, took a long time and</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">went through 4 DVDs with the</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> same<br>
result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">had been pulling from for</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> quite a<br>
while with no problems.<br>
<br>
At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">for well over 12 hours. All</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">something like 50-60 DVDs.</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> Previously,<br>
I had used the drive to burn other DVDs.<br>
<br>
This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">third. (i.e. bought a new</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> drive and<br>
then had it burn out.)<br>
<br>
I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave,</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">with an Apple USB Superdrive.</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">you they bought the drive, it</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">solidly; or something like that.</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">anything about non-stop burning</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">question of a "genius" at</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> the<br>
Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">suggested that perhaps I should</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same.</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">He said Sony made some</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> pretty<br>
good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">Apple drive has, but would be</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">"mean time to failure under</p>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#BBB; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px; border-left-color:#BBB"><p dir="auto"> continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different,</p>
</blockquote><p dir="auto">more durable, internals.</p>
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