From radiodjfern at yahoo.com Thu Jan 2 14:38:26 2025 From: radiodjfern at yahoo.com (fern) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 14:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Facebook help References: <1114637436.7892994.1735828706704.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114637436.7892994.1735828706704@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, it's been quite a while since I reached out for help on this group. Hopefully, someone can help me with a Facebook issue. Back in August, I posted that a friend was shut down for a post about Israel and hostages. It was nothing political at all, yet the Meta bots decided that it was against community standards and shut my account down.? I have one more month before all my info is permanently gone.? I have tried the appeal route, no luck. I tried to open a new account and it wouldn't let me, even using a different name.?I think track the IP address and that's why it didn't work.Does anyone else have luck getting a FB account back? I would really love to have access again to all my pictures and memories. that's the only thing I miss thanks in advance Fern -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From limako at bierfaristo.com Thu Jan 2 16:04:05 2025 From: limako at bierfaristo.com (Steven D. Brewer) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:04:05 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Facebook help In-Reply-To: <1114637436.7892994.1735828706704@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1114637436.7892994.1735828706704.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1114637436.7892994.1735828706704@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't have any experience with "Meta" but Amazon terminated my KDP account last fall and said it was permanent. After talking to a number of people, they said, basically, keep sending pressing emails to their contact. This is the email I sent that got them to actually reverse their decision. Again, this is Amazon, not Meta. But I suspect the same principles apply: ----snip---- I have replied to this email, but I would like this erroneous account action investigated. From discussions in the author community, I know this is something that happens regularly, to small publishing partners who are always well within compliance expectations. While I understand Amazon has an important responsibility to ensure that partner accounts are monitored, this kind of sudden closure without any history of warnings, etc., is deeply disruptive, and almost certainly is being triggered by automated reviews that would not flag the same way on human review. This disruption to my account has cost me sales, interfered with scheduled promotions, and caused customer confusion as well. I truly hope Amazon is looking at improving how these account reviews take place. Sincerely, ----snip---- Good luck! On 1/2/25 9:38 AM, fern via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi, it's been quite a while since I reached out for help on this group. > Hopefully, someone can help me with a Facebook issue. Back in August, I > posted that a friend was shut down for a post about Israel and hostages. > It was nothing political at all, yet the Meta bots decided that it was > against community standards and shut my account down. > I have one more month before all my info is permanently gone. > I have tried the appeal route, no luck. I tried to open a new account > and it wouldn't let me, even using a different name. > I think track the IP address and that's why it didn't work. > Does anyone else have luck getting a FB account back? I would really > love to have access again to all my pictures and memories. that's the > only thing I miss > > thanks in advance > > Fern > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Steven D. BREWER https://stevendbrewer.com/ Trovis malbonulo malbonulon pli grandan. From ped at mac.com Sat Jan 4 00:55:55 2025 From: ped at mac.com (Philip Elmer) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 19:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Ads on Apple News+ Message-ID: I?m looking to hire someone with experience with Apple News to turn on ads on my blog, Apple 3.0 (ped30.com ). It?s all set up to post my articles automatically, but I can?t figure out how to monetize those articles with ads. If you know your way around Google Sense and Apple News+, please contact me at ped at mac.com . Philip Elmer, Greenfield. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Wed Jan 8 18:25:56 2025 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 13:25:56 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for an AI tool that can control a browser (or other desktop computer program) Message-ID: <33000a94-ba78-4baa-863b-fdaff5d889e5@tnrglobal.com> Lots of you are working on various AI project so hoping someone has some experience with something like this. The idea is to be able to control very standard but not exact browser or email reader (thunderbird for me) sequences.? A simple email example would be 'delete any email offering a business loan', I get a dozen a day -- the subject line has a dozen different phrases. So the key steps would be recognize a related phrase and then trigger an action in the email program. Another would be to find that latest episode of a list of tv series and record them. That would require scanning a number of web pages and triggering each show and the recording program for that show. I was suggested Claude as a basis. ??? https://www.anthropic.com/ ??? https://docs.anthropic.com/en/home It has a key feature in that it relies on tools to do the detailed work. I haven't found tools that seem to do these steps, which might mean I've just not looked in the right place. Any other platform suggestion is fine also. This sounds like a simple case of windows (mac or linux is ok) macros, only the situations vary based on each case, it takes an operator a few seconds to see the difference in the location of the screen, so a macro is too rigid. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for Arts and relaxation: http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From fungai at artistdynamix.com Thu Jan 9 16:08:08 2025 From: fungai at artistdynamix.com (Fungai Tichawangana [Artist Dynamix]) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 11:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for an AI tool that can control a browser (or other desktop computer program) In-Reply-To: <33000a94-ba78-4baa-863b-fdaff5d889e5@tnrglobal.com> References: <33000a94-ba78-4baa-863b-fdaff5d889e5@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Hi Rich, I've been experimenting with AI Agents and this may help. SmythOS (https://smythos.com/) - create agents that can accomplish different tasks autonomously (Another one is Relevance AI, but I haven't tried it out) You could also check out https://www.make.com/. Integrates with a ton of different apps and you can set up all sorts of automations. Open skies, Fungai --- *Inc413*, our flagship project brings small businesses in Western Massachusetts together. Check it out here . *Meet* with me: meet.artistdynamix.com/fungai. --- Fungai Tichawangana Head Web Developer & Online Visibility Strategist fungai at artistdynamix.com www.artistdynamix.com Digital Media Solutions for Creative Entrepreneurs Take the guesswork out of website performance? run the 5-minute Jack Checker test today! On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 13:32, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Lots of you are working on various AI project so hoping someone has some > experience with something like this. > > The idea is to be able to control very standard but not exact browser or > email reader (thunderbird for me) sequences. A simple email example > would be 'delete any email offering a business loan', > I get a dozen a day -- the subject line has a dozen different phrases. > So the key steps would be recognize a related phrase and then trigger an > action in the email program. > Another would be to find that latest episode of a list of tv series and > record them. > That would require scanning a number of web pages and triggering each > show and the recording program for that show. > > I was suggested Claude as a basis. > https://www.anthropic.com/ > https://docs.anthropic.com/en/home > It has a key feature in that it relies on tools to do the detailed work. > I haven't found tools that seem to do these steps, which might mean I've > just not looked in the right place. > Any other platform suggestion is fine also. > > This sounds like a simple case of windows (mac or linux is ok) macros, only > the situations vary based on each case, it takes an operator a few > seconds to see > the difference in the location of the screen, so a macro is too rigid. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for Arts and relaxation: > http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck > http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Thu Jan 9 20:02:21 2025 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 15:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for an AI tool that can control a browser (or other desktop computer program) In-Reply-To: References: <33000a94-ba78-4baa-863b-fdaff5d889e5@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <1944ca8396b.1056c1462435881.8920262064047323255@2disc.com> Hi Rich and all, 2025 is supposed to be the year when "agentic" LLMs become part of the typical 20/mo plans. Currently, people are making it work with the likes of Zapier.com and what Fungai's reply below mentioned. The Jeff Chaisson I cc told me his Northampton employer https://secondwindconsultants.com/our-team/ has setup LLM-powered email routing and subsequent actions. Their team seems sharp on business tech. Jeff, Rich runs the regional business list-serve https://www.hidden-tech.net/, which I imagine your team knows if not signed up with. There might be?synergies between your two orgs. Second Wind helps business victims of those shady business loan firms. I too get tons of spam from such firms. I've found that typical spam rules in email software demand a lot of time to get right, and I agree that LLMs should expedite handling such--and handling good emails too.? Best Regards, Rob Laporte CEO? |? R&D Manager DISC - Making Websites?Make Money mailto:Rob at 2disc.com,?413-584-6500 https://www.2disc.com NOTE:?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ---- On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 11:08:08 -0500 Fungai Tichawangana [Artist Dynamix] via Hidden-discuss wrote --- Hi Rich, I've been experimenting with AI Agents and this may help. SmythOS (https://smythos.com/) - create agents that can accomplish different tasks autonomously (Another one is Relevance AI, but I haven't tried it out) You could also check out https://www.make.com/. Integrates?with a ton of different apps and you can set up all sorts of automations. Open skies, Fungai? --- Inc413, our flagship project brings small businesses in Western Massachusetts together.?https://inc413.com/. Meet with me:?https://meet.artistdynamix.com/fungai. --- Fungai Tichawangana Head Web Developer & Online Visibility Strategist mailto:fungai at artistdynamix.com http://www.artistdynamix.comDigital Media Solutions for Creative Entrepreneurs https://www.instagram.com/artistdynamixhttps://www.facebook.com/artistdynamixhttps://www.twitter.com/artist_dynamix Take the guesswork out of website performance? run the 5-minute https://artistdynamix.com/jackchecker/?utm_source=email-signature&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jackchecker+Email+Footer+Dec+2024 today! On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 13:32, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members Lots of you are working on various AI project so hoping someone has some experience with something like this. The idea is to be able to control very standard but not exact browser or email reader (thunderbird for me) sequences.? A simple email example would be 'delete any email offering a business loan', I get a dozen a day -- the subject line has a dozen different phrases. So the key steps would be recognize a related phrase and then trigger an action in the email program. Another would be to find that latest episode of a list of tv series and record them. That would require scanning a number of web pages and triggering each show and the recording program for that show. I was suggested Claude as a basis. ???? https://www.anthropic.com/ ???? https://docs.anthropic.com/en/home It has a key feature in that it relies on tools to do the detailed work. I haven't found tools that seem to do these steps, which might mean I've just not looked in the right place. Any other platform suggestion is fine also. This sounds like a simple case of windows (mac or linux is ok) macros, only the situations vary based on each case, it takes an operator a few seconds to see the difference in the location of the screen, so a macro is too rigid. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites:? ? ? http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV:? ? ? ? http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business:? ? ? ? http://www.meetmewhere.com And for Arts and relaxation: http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck ? ? http://www.welovemuseums.com ? ? http://www.artonmytv.com/ Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ Helping move the world:? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://www.earththrives.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tech at montaguewebworks.com Fri Jan 10 14:57:38 2025 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:57:38 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for an AI tool that can control a browser (or other desktop computer program) In-Reply-To: <1944ca8396b.1056c1462435881.8920262064047323255@2disc.com> References: <33000a94-ba78-4baa-863b-fdaff5d889e5@tnrglobal.com> <1944ca8396b.1056c1462435881.8920262064047323255@2disc.com> Message-ID: <2d14a77c-ea6d-4892-8dc3-cf1d356005d3@montaguewebworks.com> Regarding dealing with spam: Back when I used Eudora for an email client (20 years!), I made extensive use of their easy mail filters. Any email I ever got from anyone I ever wanted to correspond with was given a filter that put their emails into one of three folders: friends, family, clients. Mailing lists also had filters to their own folders. I'm talking hundreds of filters, which Eudora handled beautifully. All that was typically left in my inbox was spam, which I could select en masse and delete. Easy peasy. I use Thunderbird now, and it's not as easy as Eudora, but I still do it that way. Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 1/9/2025 3:02 PM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi Rich and all, > > 2025 is supposed to be the year when "agentic" LLMs become part of the > typical 20/mo plans. Currently, people are making it work with the > likes of Zapier.com and what > > Fungai's reply below mentioned. > > The Jeff Chaisson I cc told me his Northampton employer > SecondWindConsultants.com > has setup > LLM-powered email routing and subsequent actions. Their team seems > sharp on business tech. Jeff, Rich runs the regional business > list-serve HiddenTech , which I > imagine your team knows if not signed up with. There might > be?synergies between your two orgs. > > > Second Wind helps business victims of those shady business loan firms. > I too get tons of spam from such firms. I've found that typical spam > rules in email software demand a lot of time to get right, and I agree > that LLMs should expedite handling such--and handling good emails too. > > Best Regards, > > *Rob Laporte* > CEO? | R&D Manager > *DISC - Making Websites?Make Money* > Rob at 2disc.com, 413-584-6500 > www.2disc.com > > *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If > you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > > > ---- On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 11:08:08 -0500 *Fungai Tichawangana [Artist > Dynamix] via Hidden-discuss * > wrote --- > > Hi Rich, > > I've been experimenting with AI Agents and this may help. > > SmythOS (https://smythos.com/) - create agents that can accomplish > different tasks autonomously > (Another one is Relevance AI, but I haven't tried it out) > > You could also check out https://www.make.com/. Integrates?with a > ton of different apps and you can set up all sorts of automations. > > Open skies, > Fungai > > > --- > > *Inc413*, our flagship project brings small businesses > in Western Massachusetts together. Check it out here > . > > *Meet* with me: meet.artistdynamix.com/fungai > . > > --- > > > > > *Fungai Tichawangana* > > *Head Web Developer > & Online Visibility Strategist* > > fungai at artistdynamix.com > > www.artistdynamix.comDigital Media > Solutions for Creative Entrepreneurs > > > > > ***Take the guesswork out of website performance? run the > 5-minute**Jack Checker test > > **today!* > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 13:32, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > Lots of you are working on various AI project so hoping > someone has some > experience with something like this. > > The idea is to be able to control very standard but not exact > browser or > email reader (thunderbird for me) sequences.? A simple email > example > would be 'delete any email offering a business loan', > I get a dozen a day -- the subject line has a dozen different > phrases. > So the key steps would be recognize a related phrase and then > trigger an > action in the email program. > Another would be to find that latest episode of a list of tv > series and > record them. > That would require scanning a number of web pages and > triggering each > show and the recording program for that show. > > I was suggested Claude as a basis. > https://www.anthropic.com/ > https://docs.anthropic.com/en/home > It has a key feature in that it relies on tools to do the > detailed work. > I haven't found tools that seem to do these steps, which might > mean I've > just not looked in the right place. > Any other platform suggestion is fine also. > > This sounds like a simple case of windows (mac or linux is ok) > macros, only > the situations vary based on each case, it takes an operator a > few > seconds to see > the difference in the location of the screen, so a macro is > too rigid. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for Arts and relaxation: > http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic > Tarot Deck > http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the > Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, while I do not use Linux myself, both of these systems are known to work very well with most Linux distributions. I am located in Pittsfield. Jan Werner jwerner at jwdp.com From tech at montaguewebworks.com Thu Jan 16 15:19:26 2025 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 10:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Help with Wordpress Message-ID: <7f900548-d7ff-4fd6-a2e2-04a70ab29d44@montaguewebworks.com> Hey all, I received this from an old friend of mine. I don't do Wordpress, and she didn't want a new website. Can someone who charges by the hour help get her going? Please contact her directly. Thanks, Mik -- email: NuthatchAndBluet at gmail.com Name: Susie Secco Phone: 413-768-9850 Comments: Hey Mik, Happy New Year! I'm looking for help to either clean up my website - a WordPress site that I clearly did myself, poorly. Or to create a new one. I just need a place to easily post my schedule, photos, and occasion stories. No marketplace. 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So I was wondering, if E-Mail messages are regularly created with incorrect Content-Type: headers headers, what happens when an E-Mail reader program encounters a "bad" Content-Type: header? My E-Mail also *refers* the text/plain alternitive over the text/html alternitive (and maillers send HTML in the text/plain alternitive!). I really *don't* want to use a Webmail client. I have always thought of E-Mail as a *text* medium. -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From limako at bierfaristo.com Sat Jan 18 19:59:18 2025 From: limako at bierfaristo.com (Steven D. Brewer) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Techy question: Does anyone use Content-Type: headers? In-Reply-To: <20250118183710.698974C20A4@sharky5.deepsoft.com> References: <20250118183710.698974C20A4@sharky5.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <9fd69f3b-a62e-4f21-9b04-52a6f2e6eac8@bierfaristo.com> I use Thunderbird and used to have it set to prefer text-plain messages, but increasingly systems I interact with don't include a meaningful text-plain message that I've finally given up. But I generally view as "simple html" and block remote content. Here's the page about how Thunderbird interacts with Content-type: headers. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types I"m not sure it answers your question. To really answer your question, you might need to look at the source and read the comments. But, of course, that's totally possible with Thunderbird. Good luck! On 1/18/25 1:37 PM, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Here is a totally strange question: do *any* E-Mail clients actually pay much > attention to Content-Type: headers? > > The reason I ask is because I have a home grown E-Mail client that actually > truely pays attention to the Content-Type: headers in Mime parts. But I have > encounted messages with incorrect Content-Type: headers headers. So I was > wondering, if E-Mail messages are regularly created with incorrect > Content-Type: headers headers, what happens when an E-Mail reader program > encounters a "bad" Content-Type: header? > > My E-Mail also *refers* the text/plain alternitive over the text/html > alternitive (and maillers send HTML in the text/plain alternitive!). > > I really *don't* want to use a Webmail client. I have always thought of > E-Mail as a *text* medium. > -- Steven D. BREWER https://stevendbrewer.com/ Beda?ro kaj ?agreno ?uldon ne kovras. From heller at deepsoft.com Sat Jan 18 20:26:53 2025 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 15:26:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Techy question: Does anyone use Content-Type:? headers? In-Reply-To: <9fd69f3b-a62e-4f21-9b04-52a6f2e6eac8@bierfaristo.com> References: <20250118183710.698974C20A4@sharky5.deepsoft.com> <9fd69f3b-a62e-4f21-9b04-52a6f2e6eac8@bierfaristo.com> Message-ID: <20250118202655.637B34C1647@sharky5.deepsoft.com> I am more wondering to what extend mail software does or does not ignore Content-Type: headers for attached files. At this point I have changed my program to assume all attached files are binary and ignoring the Content-Type: associated with attached files. There is not much I can do about message bodies that "lie" about being text/plain. I end up copying and pasting the HTML code into a web browser or manually decoding the HTML (often needed for things like access codes (yes, it really is the case that it takes 30K bytes to express a 6 digit number). At Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:59:18 -0500 "Steven D. Brewer" wrote: > > I use Thunderbird and used to have it set to prefer text-plain messages, > but increasingly systems I interact with don't include a meaningful > text-plain message that I've finally given up. But I generally view as > "simple html" and block remote content. > > Here's the page about how Thunderbird interacts with Content-type: > headers. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types > > I"m not sure it answers your question. To really answer your question, > you might need to look at the source and read the comments. But, of > course, that's totally possible with Thunderbird. > > Good luck! > > On 1/18/25 1:37 PM, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Here is a totally strange question: do *any* E-Mail clients actually pay much > > attention to Content-Type: headers? > > > > The reason I ask is because I have a home grown E-Mail client that actually > > truely pays attention to the Content-Type: headers in Mime parts. But I have > > encounted messages with incorrect Content-Type: headers headers. So I was > > wondering, if E-Mail messages are regularly created with incorrect > > Content-Type: headers headers, what happens when an E-Mail reader program > > encounters a "bad" Content-Type: header? > > > > My E-Mail also *refers* the text/plain alternitive over the text/html > > alternitive (and maillers send HTML in the text/plain alternitive!). > > > > I really *don't* want to use a Webmail client. I have always thought of > > E-Mail as a *text* medium. > > > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From rdmurray at bitdance.com Sat Jan 18 23:06:52 2025 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 18:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Techy question: Does anyone use Content-Type:? headers? In-Reply-To: <20250118202655.637B34C1647@sharky5.deepsoft.com> References: <20250118183710.698974C20A4@sharky5.deepsoft.com> <9fd69f3b-a62e-4f21-9b04-52a6f2e6eac8@bierfaristo.com> <20250118202655.637B34C1647@sharky5.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <20250118230653.54FD0B14004@helo.webabinitio.net> Hmm. In the emails I get I generally find the content-type to be accurate. But of course I'm only seeing a small subset of the emails that are out there. I'm mostly getting images, pdfs, or things explicitly marked as binary when I get attachments, but I've gotten correctly marked xls and doc files as well. Microsoft does get that right, as far as I can tell, as does apple. And of course Thunderbird does as well. On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 15:26:53 -0500, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I am more wondering to what extend mail software does or does not ignore > Content-Type: headers for attached files. At this point I have changed my > program to assume all attached files are binary and ignoring the > Content-Type: associated with attached files. There is not much I can do > about message bodies that "lie" about being text/plain. I end up copying and > pasting the HTML code into a web browser or manually decoding the HTML (often > needed for things like access codes (yes, it really is the case that it takes > 30K bytes to express a 6 digit number). > > At Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:59:18 -0500 "Steven D. Brewer" wrote: > > > > > I use Thunderbird and used to have it set to prefer text-plain messages, > > but increasingly systems I interact with don't include a meaningful > > text-plain message that I've finally given up. But I generally view as > > "simple html" and block remote content. > > > > Here's the page about how Thunderbird interacts with Content-type: > > headers. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types > > > > I"m not sure it answers your question. To really answer your question, > > you might need to look at the source and read the comments. But, of > > course, that's totally possible with Thunderbird. > > > > Good luck! > > > > On 1/18/25 1:37 PM, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > Here is a totally strange question: do *any* E-Mail clients actually pay much > > > attention to Content-Type: headers? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because I have a home grown E-Mail client that actually > > > truely pays attention to the Content-Type: headers in Mime parts. But I have > > > encounted messages with incorrect Content-Type: headers headers. So I was > > > wondering, if E-Mail messages are regularly created with incorrect > > > Content-Type: headers headers, what happens when an E-Mail reader program > > > encounters a "bad" Content-Type: header? > > > > > > My E-Mail also *refers* the text/plain alternitive over the text/html > > > alternitive (and maillers send HTML in the text/plain alternitive!). > > > > > > I really *don't* want to use a Webmail client. I have always thought of > > > E-Mail as a *text* medium. > > > > > > > -- > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members