From shel at principledprofit.com Mon Apr 3 15:56:13 2023 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:56:13 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how Message-ID: Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. This happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the full URL. An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach and say it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. As I recall, I previously had sitelock installed and it was very annoying in the process required to do anything. I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the file. It is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would have been a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both the entire file manager and the file that is redirecting for the URL of the page it loads and I also checked the file itself for the word "redirect." Whatever they are hacking does not seem to be the actual file. How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope yours is blessed and joyful. Thanks, as always, Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association https://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Mon Apr 3 16:33:38 2023 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 12:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> care to share ? the link in question that is -- also what web page tool are you using ? Quick guess - look at .htaccess Email link directly if you won't want to share on the list On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. > This happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the > full URL. > > An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but > frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach > and say it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. > As I recall, I previously had sitelock installed and it was very > annoying in the process required to do anything. > > I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the file. > It is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would > have been a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both the > entire file manager and the file that is redirecting for the URL of > the page it loads and I also checked the file itself for the?word > "redirect." Whatever they are hacking does not seem to be the actual file. > > How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? > > If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope > yours is blessed and joyful. > > Thanks, as always, > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > https://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com And for Arts and relaxation: http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Shakers:http://www.shakerpedia.com/ Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rich.vcf Type: text/vcard Size: 4 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Mon Apr 3 17:51:12 2023 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 13:51:12 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> References: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your responses, Rich and Alex. @Rich: The page I am trying to load is http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/dtb-sustain.shtml The page it loads instead is ww82.afy11.net Just to see what happened, I tried https--and the page doesn't load at all (but there is an https version of the overall website). The tech person checked the .htaccess page and didn't see any scripts. I am not sure you mean by what web page tool. My browser is Chrome and my File manager is part of the CPanel. @Alex: It's actually not in WordPress. Most of my newer sites are but this one was put up in 1999 and has about 2000 pages of content, so Inever converted it. I did run it through the checker you suggested and discovered three files related to a cart on a site that doesn't have a cart. One of those wouldn't load for the checker--and I couldn't open it in File Manager. But that file has a 2020 modification date and there is no cart file in the subfolder that has the domain where my shopping cart actually lives (shelhorowitz.com, which is a directory on frugalmarketing)--so I think it probably IS my current cart and I don't want to mess with it. Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association https://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:33?PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > care to share ? the link in question that is -- also what web page tool > are you using ? > Quick guess - look at .htaccess > > Email link directly if you won't want to share on the list > On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. This > happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the full URL. > > An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but > frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach and say > it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. As I recall, > I previously had sitelock installed and it was very annoying in the process > required to do anything. > > I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the file. It > is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would have been > a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both the entire file manager > and the file that is redirecting for the URL of the page it loads and I > also checked the file itself for the word "redirect." Whatever they are > hacking does not seem to be the actual file. > > How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? > > If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope yours > is blessed and joyful. > > Thanks, as always, > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > https://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for Arts and relaxation:http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck > http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Mon Apr 3 18:06:37 2023 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2023 14:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> References: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <187484bc137.e31d2c51403475.3069318240894180337@2disc.com> Such hacks are almost the rule not the exception now. My firm ended it once and for all years ago by engaging a great local tech firm (Nubbernaut, cc'd) that thus became an ongoing tech partner with my firm, and I recommend them highly. Their packages are perceived as a bargain by some, expensive by others, and alternatives are way more costly, damage usually being the most costly.?? Years ago I wrote this summary for clients, which Kevin of Nubbernaut said is essentially true if not 100% accurate: The 7 Layers of a Website? To understand why dedicated monthly website-tech management is vital, it helps to glimpse the connected layers beneath content managers? typical interactions with a website. I?ll use WordPress (WP) as an example, but this synopsis applies variously to all website platforms.? The top layer is where you add content.? Beneath that is a layer of plugins or other third-party apps and connections. This and the above layer often break when crucial WP upgrades are rolled out a few times per year.? Lower still is the database holding not only visible content in pages and posts, but also user profiles and passwords, client or customer logins, and variously secure connections to layers above and below.? Supporting the above layers and connecting to the server foundation is a tech management layer often called cPanel. It is open source and often upgraded automatically, and such upgrades can damage other layers and break automatic back-up systems. This layer often has entrances left over from past webmasters? work, via the likes of FTP. It also offers admin panels for most aspects of email management, domain name associations, and other vital functions of your website.? Some web hosts offer access to yet a deeper layer, often called WHM (Web Host Management). My recent spelunking there shows a byzantine array of settings often pre-set and sometimes changed willy-nilly by cheap hosting plans at the likes of GoDaddy. Options in this setup, like caching and CDN services, can have major impact on security, SEO, site speed, and other functions.? Finally, there?s the server itself, which is set-up by web hosts (or clients? in-house IT people). I?ve never been inside there, and just peering over the misty edge into that abyss is terrifying.? Another layer that wraps around all of the above is the human layer. People working in and on the site often unwittingly do damage, and, given the compounding complexity of websites, even excellent tech pros can make mistakes that impair function and SEO performance.?? Those layers change over time, and sometimes, like tectonic plates, they can rupture, causing lots of screaming and running for help. One among many consequences is declining site speed, and Google is constantly making speed more of a ranking factor, never mind the vital role of speed in conversion rate optimization (CRO). Best Regards, Rob Laporte CEO? |? R&D Manager DISC - Making Web Sites?Make Money mailto:Rob at 2disc.com,?413-584-6500 https://www.2disc.com NOTE:?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ---- On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 12:33:38 -0400 Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote --- care to share ? the link in question that is -- also what web page tool are you using ? Quick guess - look at .htaccess Email link directly if you won't want to share on the list On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for Arts and relaxation: http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. This happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the full URL.? An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach and say it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. As I recall, I previously had sitelock installed and it was very annoying in the process required to do anything.? I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the file. It is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would have been a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both the entire file manager and the file that is redirecting for the URL of the page it loads and I also checked the file itself for the?word "redirect." Whatever they are hacking does not seem to be the actual file. How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope yours is blessed and joyful. Thanks, as always, Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,? poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association https://goingbeyondsustainability.com? mailto:mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.? Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World? (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809? 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URL: From tech at montaguewebworks.com Mon Apr 3 18:25:50 2023 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:25:50 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> References: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <92846466-1d91-c349-46e6-6ab6fd79ce00@montaguewebworks.com> Check to see if they injected a page refresh into the meta tags for that page. Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 4/3/2023 12:33 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > care to share ? the link in question that is -- also what web page > tool are you using ? > Quick guess - look at .htaccess > > Email link directly if you won't want to share on the list > > On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. >> This happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the >> full URL. >> >> An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but >> frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach >> and say it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. >> As I recall, I previously had sitelock installed and it was very >> annoying in the process required to do anything. >> >> I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the >> file. It is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this >> would have been a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both >> the entire file manager and the file that is redirecting for the URL >> of the page it loads and I also checked the file itself for the?word >> "redirect." Whatever they are hacking does not seem to be the actual >> file. >> >> How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? >> >> If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope >> yours is blessed and joyful. >> >> Thanks, as always, >> >> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" >> ________________________________________________ >> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association >> https://goingbeyondsustainability.com >> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 >> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. >> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World >> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) >> >> Watch my TEDx Talk, >> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >> (move your mouse to "event videos") >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for Arts and relaxation: > http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck > http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Shakers:http://www.shakerpedia.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Mon Apr 3 18:36:48 2023 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't? figure out how In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20230403183648.6BC5E2211ED@sharky4.deepsoft.com> Is this a static page or is it PHP? Are there links, javascript, or images on the page? Are there ads (eg Google Adsense) being served on it? If it is a static page and page has not been changed, then it must be something on the page. Another place to check is the .htaccess file. It is possible that the hackers DID NOT actually mess with the page itself, but hacked the .htaccess and put the redirect there. Or used another page to hack .htaccess. Do you have more than one site on that server? What types of sites? WordPress? Joomla? Some other CMS? Static pages? At Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:56:13 -0400 Shel Horowitz wrote: > > Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked page. This > happens whether I click to it from another link or type in the full URL. > > An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing but > frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security breach and say > it was on my end and I should buy, install, and run sitelock. As I recall, > I previously had sitelock installed and it was very annoying in the process > required to do anything. > > I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the file. It > is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would have been > a very difficult page to recreate). I searched both the entire file manager > and the file that is redirecting for the URL of the page it loads and I > also checked the file itself for the word "redirect." Whatever they are > hacking does not seem to be the actual file. > > How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? > > If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I hope yours is > blessed and joyful. > > Thanks, as always, > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > https://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From rich at tnrglobal.com Mon Apr 3 19:11:31 2023 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 15:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: References: <8d100554-c8a0-bb79-637e-fbedc273aae4@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <33d7e62d-c39a-2832-7403-3cd24106bd40@tnrglobal.com> not much tech from that techie A simple page download shows a javascript that does a forward to https://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=198107" Which is an ad - which looks like it might be corrupted or simply no longer valid I'd remove that javascript and see that does for you. R. On 4/3/2023 1:51 PM, Shel Horowitz wrote: > Thanks for your responses, Rich and Alex. > > @Rich: The page I am trying to load is > http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/dtb-sustain.shtmlThe page it loads > instead is ww82.afy11.net > Just to see what happened, I tried https--and the page doesn't load at > all (but there is an https version of the overall website). > The tech person checked the ?.htaccess page and didn't see any > scripts. I am not sure you mean by what web page tool. My browser is > Chrome and my File manager is part of the CPanel. > > @Alex: It's actually not in WordPress. Most of my newer sites are but > this one was put up in 1999 and has about 2000 pages of content, so > Inever converted it. I did run it through the checker you suggested > and discovered three files related to a cart on a site that doesn't > have? a cart. One of those wouldn't load for the checker--and I > couldn't open it in File Manager. But that file has a 2020 > modification date and there is no cart file in the subfolder that has > the domain where my shopping cart actually lives (shelhorowitz.com > , which is a directory on > frugalmarketing)--so I think it probably IS my current cart and I > don't want to mess with it. > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > https://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:33?PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > care to share ? the link in question that is -- also what web page > tool are you using ? > Quick guess - look at .htaccess > > Email link directly if you won't want to share on the list > > On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Oy! A key links page on one of my sites now loads a junk parked >> page. This happens whether I click to it from another link or >> type in the full URL. >> >> An hour chat with a human at tech support left me with nothing >> but frustration. They take zero responsibility for this security >> breach and say it was on my end and I should buy, install, and >> run sitelock. As I recall, I previously had sitelock installed >> and it was very annoying in the process required to do anything. >> >> I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the PW, and checked the >> file. It is the file I last updated in 2019 (which is good, as >> this would have been a very difficult page to recreate). I >> searched both the entire file manager and the file that is >> redirecting for the URL of the page it loads and I also checked >> the file itself for the?word "redirect." Whatever they are >> hacking does not seem to be the actual file. >> >> How can I figure out what's jamming my site and get rid of it? >> >> If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday you celebrate, I >> hope yours is blessed and joyful. >> >> Thanks, as always, >> >> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" >> ________________________________________________ >> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association >> https://goingbeyondsustainability.com >> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 >> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. >> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World >> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) >> >> Watch my TEDx Talk, >> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >> (move your mouse to "event videos") >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for Arts and relaxation: > http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck > http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Shakers:http://www.shakerpedia.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com And for Arts and relaxation: http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Shakers:http://www.shakerpedia.com/ Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, ?? Gordon Kramer On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 06:17:22 PM EDT, David O via Hidden-discuss wrote: So I went to ChatGPT (PLUS) and said: Take this story and rewrite as an?illustrated children's book in the style of Dr. Seuss. ChatGPT: Title: Tawanda and Mei's Zibber-Zabber Adventure Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare International Festival of the Arts) In the town of Harare, both day and night, Young Tawanda dreamed of colorful sights. The posters displayed all over the town, Made his heart flutter, with joy unbound. Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling festival) The festival came and this little boy, Wandered the streets filled with lively joy. He saw people in colors, dancing and bright, His eyes opened wide to this wondrous sight. Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and approaching her) He wandered and gazed, and what did he see? A girl looking lost, as lost as can be. Her eyes like the night, her hair shining black, Tawanda stepped forth, there was no turning back. "Hello there, dear friend," he kindly inquired, "Are you alright, or help is required?" She turned with a smile, just as pretty as day, In a dress of deep red and a blouse on display. Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and them walking together, talking about music) "My name is Mei, and I'm lost, it is true, My parents are gone, and I don't know what to do." So Tawanda took her hand, and they searched high and low, As they bonded through music, their friendship did grow. With an erhu from China and an mbira too, The music they shared, it was something so new. They laughed and they danced, and their spirits took flight, In this Zibber-Zabber land, where music's alight. Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, exchanging phone numbers and exploring the festival together) Soon enough, they found Mei's parents so dear, Tears of joy glistened, and the end seemed so near. With a promise to stay in touch, numbers exchanged, Tawanda and Mei explored, friendships rearranged. In the world of the Harare, so colorful and grand, They discovered more music - oh, it was so grand! This little boy and girl, from worlds far apart, United through music, a friendship to start. Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving farewell) But as all good things must come to an end, So too did the festival, for Tawanda, his friend. With a hug and a wave, they said their goodbyes, Their hearts filled with memories, under African skies. So remember young Tawanda, and Mei of the East, In a world filled with music, they shared quite a feast. A lesson they learned, as the world seemed to dance, Nothing unites quite like music and second chances. The End. ME:?Not bad, but let's try it in blank verse using Shakespearean English. ChatGPT:? Title: The Harmonious Tale of Tawanda and Mei Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare International Festival of the Arts) In fair Harare, where our scene unveils, Lies Tawanda, dreaming in his humble bed, Of music, dance, and theatre so grand, Whilst posters brightly painted fill his head. Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling festival) Anon the festival begins with mirth, Young Tawanda doth set foot and seek, To witness festivities from diverse lands, In fervent hope, performances unique. Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and approaching her) In midst of merriment and joyous dance, He spies a damsel lost and forlorn, Her eyes as dark and deep as silent night, Within her braids black strands of silk are worn. "Good morrow, lady fair, canst thou be well?" Young Tawanda softly inquires, Her gaze now met, she graciously smiles, In dress of crimson red and frock attires. Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and them walking together, talking about music) "Alas, I'm lost," the gentle maid doth speak, "My name is Mei, and family I seek." Quoth Tawanda, "Fear not, I shall assist," And hand in hand, they searched as the music persist. In their quest for kinsmen, they did converse, Of melodious tales and love for art, >From China's erhu to Zimbabwe's mbira, Their shared passions ignited a friendship to start. Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, exchanging information, and exploring the festival together) At length, they found the guardians of sweet Mei, United in relief and boundless cheer, With promises of future contact made, Our friends emerged to celebrate good cheer. Varied arts of wondrous skills they saw, >From farthest corners of the Earth displayed, In Harare's festival they danced and sang, As Tawanda and Mei's friendship further weighed. Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving farewell) Alas, the revelry would soon be o'er, Their parting filled with tender, bittersweet, The newfound comrades hugged and waved adieu, Their story etched in memory, complete. For in this tale of Tawanda and Mei, A truth is found, a lesson to convey, In friendship forged through rhythm and sweet notes, We find our bond, though from the farthest bay. The End. On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:40?PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: Ok, I finally set up an account at chat.openai.com/chat and gave the following prompt: "Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a Chinese girl child who meet at a festival and become friends." The result was a well written, pretty heart warming story. As a programmer, I can sort of softly peel back a couple of the layers to explain how it came up with this, but not the whole thing. BTW, the Arts festival it lists is real and is happening in four weeks in Zimbabwe, and Tawanda is the 54th most popular name for boys there. Mik ----- Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a Chinese girl child who meet at a festival and become friends. Tawanda had always been fascinated by the colorful posters plastered all over town, announcing the upcoming Harare International Festival of the Arts. He had never been to a festival before, and the idea of seeing music, theater, and dance performances from all over the world made him tingle with excitement. On the first day of the festival, Tawanda found himself wandering through the bustling crowds, his eyes wide with wonder. Everywhere he looked, there were people from all walks of life, dressed in their most colorful and extravagant outfits. As he was making his way through a particularly busy section of the festival, he spotted a young girl standing by herself, gazing up at the towering buildings around her. She looked lost and a little scared, and Tawanda felt a sudden urge to help her. "Hello," he said, approaching her cautiously. "Are you okay?" The girl turned to him and smiled, and Tawanda was struck by her beauty. Her eyes were dark and almond-shaped, and her hair was black and shiny, pulled back into two long braids. She wore a traditional Chinese dress, with a bright red silk skirt and a white blouse adorned with delicate embroidery. "I'm fine," she said in perfect English. "I'm just a little lost. My parents went to see a show, and I got separated from them." Tawanda knew what it was like to feel lost in a crowd. He offered to help the girl look for her parents, and together they started weaving their way through the sea of people. As they walked, Tawanda learned that the girl's name was Mei, and that she was visiting Zimbabwe with her family. As they searched, Tawanda and Mei discovered that they had more in common than they thought. They both loved music, and Tawanda was thrilled to learn that Mei played the erhu, a traditional Chinese instrument. Mei was equally fascinated by Tawanda's stories of Zimbabwean mbira music and dance. Eventually, they found Mei's parents waiting anxiously by the entrance to the main theater. Mei's mother was overjoyed to see her daughter safe and sound, and she thanked Tawanda for his kindness. Tawanda and Mei exchanged phone numbers, promising to stay in touch after the festival was over. For the rest of the festival, Tawanda and Mei hung out together, exploring the different performances and getting to know each other better. They laughed and danced and sang, and Tawanda felt a deep sense of joy and connection that he had never experienced before. He had made a friend from a completely different culture, and it had opened up a whole new world for him. As the festival came to a close, Tawanda felt a twinge of sadness knowing that he and Mei would have to say goodbye. But he also felt a sense of gratitude, for the friendship that had bloomed between them in the most unexpected of places. He knew that he would always treasure the memory of that magical week, and the girl from China who had taught him that no matter where you come from, music and friendship can bring people together. ----- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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URL: From all at pinehurstpictures.com Tue Apr 4 12:09:25 2023 From: all at pinehurstpictures.com (all pinehurstpictures.com) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:09:25 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] ChatGPT prompt -- I'm impressed In-Reply-To: <178257949.4788321.1680576193489@mail.yahoo.com> References: <196290060.971490.1678393776863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <196290060.971490.1678393776863@mail.yahoo.com> <0e1aca9836279aa0bea11a30627ea97c@8wheels.org> <62601017.1050433.1678418061515@mail.yahoo.com> <20230310150355.CAE43B1401C@webabinitio.net> <1714938371.1314807.1678498586187@mail.yahoo.com> <186d2527896.cb18e4c83946497.8031613139932413279@2disc.com> <697951220.1424386.1678568135796@mail.yahoo.com> <1077385726.1475766.1678589145074@mail.yahoo.com> <186e08e3703.c09f7c874583173.1890424310496816823@2disc.com> <1459188877.732266.1679013670900@mail.yahoo.com> <20230318143322.5274BB14004@webabinitio.net> <7c09cfe7-9e5f-2752-163e-17a905f8eeb5@montaguewebworks.com> <178257949.4788321.1680576193489@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gordon, No. You are not. If the overlords aren't really coming, our sense of reality is going right out the window. That said, I use AI everyday at work and it's mind boggling what it can do. Rikk Desgres Pinehurst Pictures & Sound Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of Gordon Kramer via Hidden-discuss Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 10:43:13 PM To: hidden-discuss Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] ChatGPT prompt -- I'm impressed So, am I the only person on this list who finds this entire phenomenon incredibly alarming? Regards, Gordon Kramer On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 06:17:22 PM EDT, David O via Hidden-discuss wrote: So I went to ChatGPT (PLUS) and said: Take this story and rewrite as an illustrated children's book in the style of Dr. Seuss. ChatGPT: Title: Tawanda and Mei's Zibber-Zabber Adventure Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare International Festival of the Arts) In the town of Harare, both day and night, Young Tawanda dreamed of colorful sights. The posters displayed all over the town, Made his heart flutter, with joy unbound. Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling festival) The festival came and this little boy, Wandered the streets filled with lively joy. He saw people in colors, dancing and bright, His eyes opened wide to this wondrous sight. Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and approaching her) He wandered and gazed, and what did he see? A girl looking lost, as lost as can be. Her eyes like the night, her hair shining black, Tawanda stepped forth, there was no turning back. "Hello there, dear friend," he kindly inquired, "Are you alright, or help is required?" She turned with a smile, just as pretty as day, In a dress of deep red and a blouse on display. Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and them walking together, talking about music) "My name is Mei, and I'm lost, it is true, My parents are gone, and I don't know what to do." So Tawanda took her hand, and they searched high and low, As they bonded through music, their friendship did grow. With an erhu from China and an mbira too, The music they shared, it was something so new. They laughed and they danced, and their spirits took flight, In this Zibber-Zabber land, where music's alight. Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, exchanging phone numbers and exploring the festival together) Soon enough, they found Mei's parents so dear, Tears of joy glistened, and the end seemed so near. With a promise to stay in touch, numbers exchanged, Tawanda and Mei explored, friendships rearranged. In the world of the Harare, so colorful and grand, They discovered more music - oh, it was so grand! This little boy and girl, from worlds far apart, United through music, a friendship to start. Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving farewell) But as all good things must come to an end, So too did the festival, for Tawanda, his friend. With a hug and a wave, they said their goodbyes, Their hearts filled with memories, under African skies. So remember young Tawanda, and Mei of the East, In a world filled with music, they shared quite a feast. A lesson they learned, as the world seemed to dance, Nothing unites quite like music and second chances. The End. ME: Not bad, but let's try it in blank verse using Shakespearean English. ChatGPT: Title: The Harmonious Tale of Tawanda and Mei Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare International Festival of the Arts) In fair Harare, where our scene unveils, Lies Tawanda, dreaming in his humble bed, Of music, dance, and theatre so grand, Whilst posters brightly painted fill his head. Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling festival) Anon the festival begins with mirth, Young Tawanda doth set foot and seek, To witness festivities from diverse lands, In fervent hope, performances unique. Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and approaching her) In midst of merriment and joyous dance, He spies a damsel lost and forlorn, Her eyes as dark and deep as silent night, Within her braids black strands of silk are worn. "Good morrow, lady fair, canst thou be well?" Young Tawanda softly inquires, Her gaze now met, she graciously smiles, In dress of crimson red and frock attires. Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and them walking together, talking about music) "Alas, I'm lost," the gentle maid doth speak, "My name is Mei, and family I seek." Quoth Tawanda, "Fear not, I shall assist," And hand in hand, they searched as the music persist. In their quest for kinsmen, they did converse, Of melodious tales and love for art, From China's erhu to Zimbabwe's mbira, Their shared passions ignited a friendship to start. Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, exchanging information, and exploring the festival together) At length, they found the guardians of sweet Mei, United in relief and boundless cheer, With promises of future contact made, Our friends emerged to celebrate good cheer. Varied arts of wondrous skills they saw, From farthest corners of the Earth displayed, In Harare's festival they danced and sang, As Tawanda and Mei's friendship further weighed. Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving farewell) Alas, the revelry would soon be o'er, Their parting filled with tender, bittersweet, The newfound comrades hugged and waved adieu, Their story etched in memory, complete. For in this tale of Tawanda and Mei, A truth is found, a lesson to convey, In friendship forged through rhythm and sweet notes, We find our bond, though from the farthest bay. The End. On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:40?PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss > wrote: Ok, I finally set up an account at chat.openai.com/chat and gave the following prompt: "Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a Chinese girl child who meet at a festival and become friends." The result was a well written, pretty heart warming story. As a programmer, I can sort of softly peel back a couple of the layers to explain how it came up with this, but not the whole thing. BTW, the Arts festival it lists is real and is happening in four weeks in Zimbabwe, and Tawanda is the 54th most popular name for boys there. Mik ----- Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a Chinese girl child who meet at a festival and become friends. Tawanda had always been fascinated by the colorful posters plastered all over town, announcing the upcoming Harare International Festival of the Arts. He had never been to a festival before, and the idea of seeing music, theater, and dance performances from all over the world made him tingle with excitement. On the first day of the festival, Tawanda found himself wandering through the bustling crowds, his eyes wide with wonder. Everywhere he looked, there were people from all walks of life, dressed in their most colorful and extravagant outfits. As he was making his way through a particularly busy section of the festival, he spotted a young girl standing by herself, gazing up at the towering buildings around her. She looked lost and a little scared, and Tawanda felt a sudden urge to help her. "Hello," he said, approaching her cautiously. "Are you okay?" The girl turned to him and smiled, and Tawanda was struck by her beauty. Her eyes were dark and almond-shaped, and her hair was black and shiny, pulled back into two long braids. She wore a traditional Chinese dress, with a bright red silk skirt and a white blouse adorned with delicate embroidery. "I'm fine," she said in perfect English. "I'm just a little lost. My parents went to see a show, and I got separated from them." Tawanda knew what it was like to feel lost in a crowd. He offered to help the girl look for her parents, and together they started weaving their way through the sea of people. As they walked, Tawanda learned that the girl's name was Mei, and that she was visiting Zimbabwe with her family. As they searched, Tawanda and Mei discovered that they had more in common than they thought. They both loved music, and Tawanda was thrilled to learn that Mei played the erhu, a traditional Chinese instrument. Mei was equally fascinated by Tawanda's stories of Zimbabwean mbira music and dance. Eventually, they found Mei's parents waiting anxiously by the entrance to the main theater. Mei's mother was overjoyed to see her daughter safe and sound, and she thanked Tawanda for his kindness. Tawanda and Mei exchanged phone numbers, promising to stay in touch after the festival was over. For the rest of the festival, Tawanda and Mei hung out together, exploring the different performances and getting to know each other better. They laughed and danced and sang, and Tawanda felt a deep sense of joy and connection that he had never experienced before. He had made a friend from a completely different culture, and it had opened up a whole new world for him. As the festival came to a close, Tawanda felt a twinge of sadness knowing that he and Mei would have to say goodbye. But he also felt a sense of gratitude, for the friendship that had bloomed between them in the most unexpected of places. He knew that he would always treasure the memory of that magical week, and the girl from China who had taught him that no matter where you come from, music and friendship can bring people together. ----- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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URL: From davidfo at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 14:31:10 2023 From: davidfo at gmail.com (David O) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 10:31:10 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] ChatGPT prompt -- I'm impressed In-Reply-To: References: <196290060.971490.1678393776863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <196290060.971490.1678393776863@mail.yahoo.com> <0e1aca9836279aa0bea11a30627ea97c@8wheels.org> <62601017.1050433.1678418061515@mail.yahoo.com> <20230310150355.CAE43B1401C@webabinitio.net> <1714938371.1314807.1678498586187@mail.yahoo.com> <186d2527896.cb18e4c83946497.8031613139932413279@2disc.com> <697951220.1424386.1678568135796@mail.yahoo.com> <1077385726.1475766.1678589145074@mail.yahoo.com> <186e08e3703.c09f7c874583173.1890424310496816823@2disc.com> <1459188877.732266.1679013670900@mail.yahoo.com> <20230318143322.5274BB14004@webabinitio.net> <7c09cfe7-9e5f-2752-163e-17a905f8eeb5@montaguewebworks.com> <178257949.4788321.1680576193489@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm right there with you. Amazed and terrified is my constant state these days. I use both ChatGPT Plus and the API for work and I find it to be an amazing tool. But all AI is moving at such a ridiculous pace and it is clear that no one truly understands how this is all going to play out in the coming months and years. But remember too that the majority of people are simply unaware of the tsunami that is rolling towards us. And no well-meaning (or self serving depending on your perspective) letters by esteemed tech leaders is going to slow it down. The best I can do is to educate myself on the trends and hope to be able to make use of the technology as a set of tools rather than a replacement. I encourage my developers to use it to improve their productivity and reduce the amount of time it takes for mundane and repeatable tasks but also for suggested improvements. David O WizardPig, Inc. On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 9:36?AM all pinehurstpictures.com via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Gordon, > No. You are not. If the overlords aren't really coming, our sense of > reality is going right out the window. That said, I use AI everyday at work > and it's mind boggling what it can do. > > Rikk Desgres > Pinehurst Pictures & Sound > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Hidden-discuss on > behalf of Gordon Kramer via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2023 10:43:13 PM > *To:* hidden-discuss > *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] ChatGPT prompt -- I'm impressed > > So, am I the only person on this list who finds this entire phenomenon > incredibly alarming? > > Regards, > Gordon Kramer > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 06:17:22 PM EDT, David O via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > > So I went to ChatGPT (PLUS) and said: > Take this story and rewrite as an illustrated children's book in the style > of Dr. Seuss. > > *ChatGPT:* > > Title: Tawanda and Mei's Zibber-Zabber Adventure > > Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare > International Festival of the Arts) > In the town of Harare, both day and night, > Young Tawanda dreamed of colorful sights. > The posters displayed all over the town, > Made his heart flutter, with joy unbound. > > Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling > festival) > The festival came and this little boy, > Wandered the streets filled with lively joy. > He saw people in colors, dancing and bright, > His eyes opened wide to this wondrous sight. > > Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and > approaching her) > He wandered and gazed, and what did he see? > A girl looking lost, as lost as can be. > Her eyes like the night, her hair shining black, > Tawanda stepped forth, there was no turning back. > > "Hello there, dear friend," he kindly inquired, > "Are you alright, or help is required?" > She turned with a smile, just as pretty as day, > In a dress of deep red and a blouse on display. > > Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and > them walking together, talking about music) > "My name is Mei, and I'm lost, it is true, > My parents are gone, and I don't know what to do." > So Tawanda took her hand, and they searched high and low, > As they bonded through music, their friendship did grow. > > With an erhu from China and an mbira too, > The music they shared, it was something so new. > They laughed and they danced, and their spirits took flight, > In this Zibber-Zabber land, where music's alight. > > Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, > exchanging phone numbers and exploring the festival together) > Soon enough, they found Mei's parents so dear, > Tears of joy glistened, and the end seemed so near. > With a promise to stay in touch, numbers exchanged, > Tawanda and Mei explored, friendships rearranged. > > In the world of the Harare, so colorful and grand, > They discovered more music - oh, it was so grand! > This little boy and girl, from worlds far apart, > United through music, a friendship to start. > > Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving > farewell) > But as all good things must come to an end, > So too did the festival, for Tawanda, his friend. > With a hug and a wave, they said their goodbyes, > Their hearts filled with memories, under African skies. > > So remember young Tawanda, and Mei of the East, > In a world filled with music, they shared quite a feast. > A lesson they learned, as the world seemed to dance, > Nothing unites quite like music and second chances. > > The End. > > *ME:* Not bad, but let's try it in blank verse using Shakespearean > English. > > *ChatGPT: * > Title: The Harmonious Tale of Tawanda and Mei > > Page 1: (Illustration of Tawanda looking at a poster of the Harare > International Festival of the Arts) > In fair Harare, where our scene unveils, > Lies Tawanda, dreaming in his humble bed, > Of music, dance, and theatre so grand, > Whilst posters brightly painted fill his head. > > Page 2: (Illustration of Tawanda excitedly walking through the bustling > festival) > Anon the festival begins with mirth, > Young Tawanda doth set foot and seek, > To witness festivities from diverse lands, > In fervent hope, performances unique. > > Page 3-4: (Illustration of Tawanda spotting Mei in the crowd and > approaching her) > In midst of merriment and joyous dance, > He spies a damsel lost and forlorn, > Her eyes as dark and deep as silent night, > Within her braids black strands of silk are worn. > > "Good morrow, lady fair, canst thou be well?" > Young Tawanda softly inquires, > Her gaze now met, she graciously smiles, > In dress of crimson red and frock attires. > > Page 5-7: (Illustration of Mei explaining her situation to Tawanda and > them walking together, talking about music) > "Alas, I'm lost," the gentle maid doth speak, > "My name is Mei, and family I seek." > Quoth Tawanda, "Fear not, I shall assist," > And hand in hand, they searched as the music persist. > > In their quest for kinsmen, they did converse, > Of melodious tales and love for art, > From China's erhu to Zimbabwe's mbira, > Their shared passions ignited a friendship to start. > > Page 8-10: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei finding Mei's parents, > exchanging information, and exploring the festival together) > At length, they found the guardians of sweet Mei, > United in relief and boundless cheer, > With promises of future contact made, > Our friends emerged to celebrate good cheer. > > Varied arts of wondrous skills they saw, > From farthest corners of the Earth displayed, > In Harare's festival they danced and sang, > As Tawanda and Mei's friendship further weighed. > > Page 11-12: (Illustration of Tawanda and Mei hugging goodbye and waving > farewell) > Alas, the revelry would soon be o'er, > Their parting filled with tender, bittersweet, > The newfound comrades hugged and waved adieu, > Their story etched in memory, complete. > > For in this tale of Tawanda and Mei, > A truth is found, a lesson to convey, > In friendship forged through rhythm and sweet notes, > We find our bond, though from the farthest bay. > > The End. > > > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:40?PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > Ok, I finally set up an account at chat.openai.com/chat and gave the > following prompt: "Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a > Chinese girl child who meet at a festival and become friends." The result > was a well written, pretty heart warming story. > > As a programmer, I can sort of softly peel back a couple of the layers to > explain how it came up with this, but not the whole thing. > > BTW, the Arts festival it lists is real and is happening in four weeks in > Zimbabwe, and Tawanda is the 54th most popular name for boys there. > > Mik > > ----- > > *Write a short story about a Zimbabwe boy child and a Chinese girl child > who meet at a festival and become friends.* > > Tawanda had always been fascinated by the colorful posters plastered all > over town, announcing the upcoming Harare International Festival of the > Arts. He had never been to a festival before, and the idea of seeing music, > theater, and dance performances from all over the world made him tingle > with excitement. > > On the first day of the festival, Tawanda found himself wandering through > the bustling crowds, his eyes wide with wonder. Everywhere he looked, there > were people from all walks of life, dressed in their most colorful and > extravagant outfits. As he was making his way through a particularly busy > section of the festival, he spotted a young girl standing by herself, > gazing up at the towering buildings around her. She looked lost and a > little scared, and Tawanda felt a sudden urge to help her. > > "Hello," he said, approaching her cautiously. "Are you okay?" > > The girl turned to him and smiled, and Tawanda was struck by her beauty. > Her eyes were dark and almond-shaped, and her hair was black and shiny, > pulled back into two long braids. She wore a traditional Chinese dress, > with a bright red silk skirt and a white blouse adorned with delicate > embroidery. > > "I'm fine," she said in perfect English. "I'm just a little lost. My > parents went to see a show, and I got separated from them." > > Tawanda knew what it was like to feel lost in a crowd. He offered to help > the girl look for her parents, and together they started weaving their way > through the sea of people. As they walked, Tawanda learned that the girl's > name was Mei, and that she was visiting Zimbabwe with her family. > > As they searched, Tawanda and Mei discovered that they had more in common > than they thought. They both loved music, and Tawanda was thrilled to learn > that Mei played the erhu, a traditional Chinese instrument. Mei was equally > fascinated by Tawanda's stories of Zimbabwean mbira music and dance. > > Eventually, they found Mei's parents waiting anxiously by the entrance to > the main theater. Mei's mother was overjoyed to see her daughter safe and > sound, and she thanked Tawanda for his kindness. Tawanda and Mei exchanged > phone numbers, promising to stay in touch after the festival was over. > > For the rest of the festival, Tawanda and Mei hung out together, exploring > the different performances and getting to know each other better. They > laughed and danced and sang, and Tawanda felt a deep sense of joy and > connection that he had never experienced before. He had made a friend from > a completely different culture, and it had opened up a whole new world for > him. > > As the festival came to a close, Tawanda felt a twinge of sadness knowing > that he and Mei would have to say goodbye. But he also felt a sense of > gratitude, for the friendship that had bloomed between them in the most > unexpected of places. He knew that he would always treasure the memory of > that magical week, and the girl from China who had taught him that no > matter where you come from, music and friendship can bring people together. > > ----- > > > Mik Muller, president > Montague WebWorks > 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA > 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com > Powered by ROCKETFUSION > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm familiar with the markup used in Wikipedia for building references and re-using those references by name as well as referencing other articles, etc. Something like that would be really nice. My Google Foo completely fails me, and it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that ChatGPT can answer. Thank you, Chris Hoogendyk choogendyk at earthlink.net From jeff at deltafactory.com Thu Apr 6 13:32:26 2023 From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:32:26 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] One page of my site has been hacked and I can't figure out how In-Reply-To: <33d7e62d-c39a-2832-7403-3cd24106bd40@tnrglobal.com> References: <33d7e62d-c39a-2832-7403-3cd24106bd40@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <9c07ea07-abc0-bcf3-b80f-0f8f748ac3dd@deltafactory.com> Looking at the script tag (now commented out) in context, it appears to be tied in with an ad block: > The level of detail in the tag seems to me it was intentionally placed there at some point but since then the company has gone under. Adify.com is now owned by a different sort of Ad company and the ad-servering domains are parked/hijacked. If my assumptions about the ad unit are true, the best course of action is to remove them. 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Mik Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 4/6/2023 9:32 AM, Jeff Brand via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Looking at the script tag (now commented out) in context, it appears > to be tied in with an ad block: >> > The level of detail in the tag seems to me it was intentionally placed > there at some point but since then the company has gone under. > Adify.com is now owned by a different sort of Ad company and the > ad-servering domains are parked/hijacked. > > If my assumptions about the ad unit are true, the best course of > action is to remove them. 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Is there another tweet posting service where you can pre-schedule tweets that people can recommend? Thank you. Marcia Yudkin? From yadim at purebranding.com Sun Apr 30 18:39:38 2023 From: yadim at purebranding.com (Yadim Medore) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:39:38 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Mac video production consult References: <5fa9c176-d64d-4141-959e-2b8874068261.bd4730c9-314e-492f-9972-58cb57c640bb.0897ef2b-a1e7-4d87-a156-c3c643db6741@emailsignatures365.codetwo.com> Message-ID: <4F0B0C82-4475-4579-857A-F721BC807F41@purebranding.com> Dear HT Community, I volunteer for a local Ashram we?re we?ve just had a professional video production studio set up with PTZ cameras, array mics and A/V control boards so we can broadcast through Zoom. However, the equipment that was installed is missing the ability to capture the high-resolution video and sound feed to the Mac directly. The original engineer set up a standalone unit that was not networkable (required saving the video to SD cards) and what we really need is the video to be automatically saved to a Dropbox folder on the Mac. (And if this requires extra processing power, wondering if this can happen on the same computer that is running Zoom, or if we?ll need a dedicated Mac for the video processing.) Is there a local Mac video production expert that could consult with us? Thanks so much! Yadim Medore | Founder + CEO PURE BRANDING | 58 Depot Road | Leverett, MA 01054 413-548-9900 x301 | www.purebranding.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From choogendyk at earthlink.net Sat Apr 8 21:50:57 2023 From: choogendyk at earthlink.net (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:50:57 -0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] using simple markups in text files for import into InDesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Crickets. Does anyone on the list work with InDesign? On 4/5/23 10:53 PM, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > Hoping to find some experts out there with long documents in InDesign > who might know something about how to construct text files with markup > for footnotes and indices that will import into InDesign. If that's > not possible, what is the easiest way of dealing with the construction > of footnotes and indices in long documents. I'm doing most of the > writing work in LibreOffice and expect to save that out as text files. > I would hate to have to start from scratch building those elements in > InDesign. I expect to have more than one index as well as more than > one table of contents for a historical piece of work going well over > 100,000 words. > > I'm familiar with the markup used in Wikipedia for building references > and re-using those references by name as well as referencing other > articles, etc. Something like that would be really nice. My Google Foo > completely fails me, and it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that > ChatGPT can answer. > > Thank you, > > Chris Hoogendyk > choogendyk at earthlink.net From jwerner at jwdp.com Fri Apr 21 19:57:55 2023 From: jwerner at jwdp.com (Jan Werner) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 19:57:55 -0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Free Kodak 5600 slide projector Message-ID: <077d40b5-7c23-af94-cdad-4a4933fd406f@jwdp.com> I have a working Kodak Carousel 5600 slide projector with zoom lens, stack loader and four 140-slide carousel trays, in its carrying box. If anyone wants it, they can have it for free. 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