From shel at principledprofit.com  Wed Jun  1 00:26:02 2022
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 20:26:02 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Need a workaround for Facebook two-factor
 authorization
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1RvnUzhFP7C7EDEU+0vNcjy_71pBvGfxzg4CtShr4XTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, folks,

This morning, I logged onto Facebook and was hit with a mandatory set-up of
two-factor authentication, which means entering a text sent to my phone.
It's not a problem if I need to enter a code to log on, but I have a remote
assistant who handles some FB tasks for me. Is there is a way to set up an
action filter for text messages? If so, I can set one up to forward her any
texts from their bot--but I have no idea if there is a way. Another
possibility: is there a way to send the auth codes to two numbers at once
or to set up her computer as a known device on my account?

Or will it be sufficient for her to log on at a time when I'm near my phone
and can call her with the code, and then be a recognized device?

Please reply-all so she sees the responses.

Many thanks,,

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From treehugr at larksnet.com  Thu Jun  2 19:04:54 2022
From: treehugr at larksnet.com (Larry)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:04:54 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WARNING:   website hosting email message
Message-ID: <002e01d876b3$a5505b00$eff11100$@larksnet.com>

In case you also received this email.  It seems like the file is likely to be a trojan.

 

Larry K

 

 

From: Hidden discuss <elihrnce at enoktextile.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] website hosting

 

Good afternoon!

Now we mail document back to you. You'll find it through the link below: 

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From juliewaggoner at comcast.net  Wed Jun  8 01:36:43 2022
From: juliewaggoner at comcast.net (Julie Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 21:36:43 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
Message-ID: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>

Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?


I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago,
because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final
costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.

 

My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I'd cancelled and
that we haven't used for the past year.


I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep
said that

1.       They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was
billed 30 days ago.

2.       They cannot "close" the client's account because "what if you
wanted to use it again?"

3.       They cannot remove my client's credit card information from the
account because (see number 2).

 

I told them we were not happy having the client's credit information in NS's
records if we weren't using their services. (My client is going to get a new
credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she
did not authorize the purchase).

This seems like it should be illegal. They're essentially holding my
client's credit card information hostage, against my client's wishes.


Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation? 

Thanks!
Julie Waggoner 

 



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From heller at deepsoft.com  Wed Jun  8 13:12:17 2022
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Wed,  8 Jun 2022 09:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20220608131217.EE2332206C1@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

I suspect you could report any "unauthorized" credit card charges to the 
credit card company -- then it will become a "fight" between NS and the credit 
card company (and NS would likely lose that fight).

At Tue, 7 Jun 2022 21:36:43 -0400 Julie Waggoner <juliewaggoner at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
> 
> 
> I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago,
> because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final
> costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.
> 
>  
> 
> My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I'd cancelled and
> that we haven't used for the past year.
> 
> 
> I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep
> said that
> 
> 1.       They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was
> billed 30 days ago.
> 
> 2.       They cannot "close" the client's account because "what if you
> wanted to use it again?"
> 
> 3.       They cannot remove my client's credit card information from the
> account because (see number 2).
> 
>  
> 
> I told them we were not happy having the client's credit information in NS's
> records if we weren't using their services. (My client is going to get a new
> credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she
> did not authorize the purchase).
> 
> This seems like it should be illegal. They're essentially holding my
> client's credit card information hostage, against my client's wishes.
> 
> 
> Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Julie Waggoner 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Wed Jun  8 14:23:53 2022
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>

Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the 
for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that 
managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down the 
worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer your 
domain name away, you need to click an extra two "are you sure" yes 
buttons, then they tell you they will review your request and you may 
get an email in three days with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?

Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember or 
been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, fill 
out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to then 
reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were real?) 
and then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if you were 
the person who got the domain name, at which point you needed to print 
the email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's 
about $150 in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was 
brutal. Network Solutions is their legacy.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>
>
> I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so 
> ago, because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, 
> obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone 
> for tech support.
>
> My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d 
> cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>
>
> I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the 
> rep said that
>
> 1.They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was 
> billed 30 days ago.
>
> 2.They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you wanted 
> to use it again??
>
> 3.They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the 
> account because (see number 2).
>
> I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information 
> in NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is 
> going to get a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to 
> refuse the billing since she did not authorize the purchase).
>
> This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my 
> client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.
>
>
> Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation?
>
> Thanks!
> Julie Waggoner
>
>
>
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From sam at itabix.com  Wed Jun  8 15:46:23 2022
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:46:23 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>

Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up, 
they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a 
domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" with 
the same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about their 
manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your client 
had that experience, it's a different version of the same story I've 
heard many times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly toxic, 
and GoDaddy also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious playbook. 
I've wasted too many hours of my life helping clients get away from 
these guys.

Sam



*Sam McClellan*

**

*Itabix, Inc*

**

*one place for all things **web***

**

*sam at itabix.com*

**

*https://itabix.com*

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*Main - 413.587.4600*

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On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the 
> for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that 
> managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down 
> the worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer 
> your domain name away, you need to click an extra two "are you sure" 
> yes buttons, then they tell you they will review your request and you 
> may get an email in three days with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?
>
> Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember 
> or been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, 
> fill out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to 
> then reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were 
> real?) and then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if 
> you were the person who got the domain name, at which point you needed 
> to print the email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And 
> that's about $150 in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. 
> It was brutal. Network Solutions is their legacy.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
> 413-320-5336
> http://MontagueWebWorks.com
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
> On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>>
>>
>> I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so 
>> ago, because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, 
>> obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone 
>> for tech support.
>>
>> My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d 
>> cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>>
>>
>> I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the 
>> rep said that
>>
>> 1.They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was 
>> billed 30 days ago.
>>
>> 2.They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you 
>> wanted to use it again??
>>
>> 3.They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the 
>> account because (see number 2).
>>
>> I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information 
>> in NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is 
>> going to get a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to 
>> refuse the billing since she did not authorize the purchase).
>>
>> This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my 
>> client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.
>>
>>
>> Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Julie Waggoner
>>
>>
>>
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From fgrossberg at verizon.net  Wed Jun  8 16:25:14 2022
From: fgrossberg at verizon.net (fgrossberg at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
Message-ID: <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>

Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?

Thanks,

Fred Grossberg

 

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On Behalf Of Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions

 

Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up, they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" with the same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about their manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your client had that experience, it's a different version of the same story I've heard many times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly toxic, and GoDaddy also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious playbook. I've wasted too many hours of my life helping clients get away from these guys.

Sam

 

  



Sam McClellan

Itabix, Inc

one place for all things web

sam at itabix.com <mailto:sam at itabix.com> 

https://itabix.com

Main - 413.587.4600

Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) 

 

On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:

Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down the worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer your domain name away, you need to click an extra two "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell you they will review your request and you may get an email in three days with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?

Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember or been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, fill out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to then reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were real?) and then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if you were the person who got the domain name, at which point you needed to print the email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150 in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal. Network Solutions is their legacy.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:

Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?


I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago, because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.

 

My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.


I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep said that

1.	They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was billed 30 days ago.
2.	They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you wanted to use it again??
3.	They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the account because (see number 2).

 

I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information in NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is going to get a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she did not authorize the purchase).

This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.


Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation? 

Thanks!
Julie Waggoner 

 

 

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Wed Jun  8 18:10:40 2022
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
 <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <a4388f6d-d9ab-f53a-be50-cd0bdf42e06f@tnrglobal.com>

I have used Opensrs (used to be called TuCows) for almost 20 years.

They are an independent registrar reseller -- which means you can be a 
reseller for them
(disclaimer - I've handed over 2,000 domains as a reseller over the years)

and there are a number of public resellers like Hover
https://opensrs.com/why/our-resellers/

Note:? many hosting companies include domain registrations in their deals,
which is great until they change their hosting policies or prices, crater
or are bought by (usually) GoDaddy.

Not worth saving $10-20/yr for the hassle of having to recover your domain.
Also we've helped a number of locals having domain issues, esp with 
http://gaiahost.coop/

Rich -TnrGlobal - listmaster HT

On 6/8/2022 12:25 PM, Fred Grossberg via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Grossberg
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> 
> *On Behalf Of *Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> *To:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
>
> Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up, 
> they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a 
> domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" 
> with the same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about 
> their manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your 
> client had that experience, it's a different version of the same story 
> I've heard many times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly 
> toxic, and GoDaddy also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious 
> playbook. I've wasted too many hours of my life helping clients get 
> away from these guys.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> *Sam McClellan*
>
> *Itabix, Inc*
>
> *one place for all things **web*
>
> *sam at itabix.com*
>
> *https://itabix.com*
>
> *Main - 413.587.4600*
>
> *Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) *
>
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
>     Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the
>     for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that
>     managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands
>     down the worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to
>     transfer your domain name away, you need to click an extra two
>     "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell you they will review
>     your request and you may get an email in three days with your Auth
>     Code. I mean... WTH?
>
>     Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not
>     remember or been around in those days, back then you would go to
>     their website, fill out a long form, which would send you an
>     email. You would have to then reply to that email (I guess that
>     was how they verified you were real?) and then you had to wait a
>     week for their reply email to see if you were the person who got
>     the domain name, at which point you needed to print the email and
>     mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150
>     in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal.
>     Network Solutions is their legacy.
>
>     Mik
>
>     Mik Muller, president
>
>     Montague WebWorks
>
>     20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
>
>     413-320-5336
>
>     http://MontagueWebWorks.com  <http://MontagueWebWorks.com>
>
>     Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
>     On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
>         Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>
>
>         I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year
>         or so ago, because they were too expensive, always on the
>         upsell, obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get
>         hold of anyone for tech support.
>
>         My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d
>         cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>
>
>         I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to
>         him, the rep said that
>
>          1. They cannot refund the money the client was billed because
>             it was billed 30 days ago.
>          2. They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if
>             you wanted to use it again??
>          3. They cannot remove my client?s credit card information
>             from the account because (see number 2).
>
>         I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit
>         information in NS?s records if we weren?t using their
>         services. (My client is going to get a new credit card, and
>         ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she
>         did not authorize the purchase).
>
>         This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially
>         holding my client?s credit card information hostage, against
>         my client?s wishes.
>
>
>         Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this
>         situation?
>
>         Thanks!
>         Julie Waggoner
>
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Wed Jun  8 18:13:31 2022
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
 <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <21a534d9-34d3-8a03-2633-bec663271558@montaguewebworks.com>

I think we've covered this already in a recent thread, but I've been 
using GoDaddy for years and have about 550 domains there.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 6/8/2022 12:25 PM, Fred Grossberg via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Grossberg
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> 
> *On Behalf Of *Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> *To:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
>
> Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up, 
> they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a 
> domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" 
> with the same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about 
> their manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your 
> client had that experience, it's a different version of the same story 
> I've heard many times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly 
> toxic, and GoDaddy also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious 
> playbook. I've wasted too many hours of my life helping clients get 
> away from these guys.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> *Sam McClellan*
>
> *Itabix, Inc*
>
> *one place for all things **web*
>
> *sam at itabix.com*
>
> *https://itabix.com*
>
> *Main - 413.587.4600*
>
> *Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) *
>
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
>     Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the
>     for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that
>     managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands
>     down the worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to
>     transfer your domain name away, you need to click an extra two
>     "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell you they will review
>     your request and you may get an email in three days with your Auth
>     Code. I mean... WTH?
>
>     Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not
>     remember or been around in those days, back then you would go to
>     their website, fill out a long form, which would send you an
>     email. You would have to then reply to that email (I guess that
>     was how they verified you were real?) and then you had to wait a
>     week for their reply email to see if you were the person who got
>     the domain name, at which point you needed to print the email and
>     mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150
>     in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal.
>     Network Solutions is their legacy.
>
>     Mik
>
>     Mik Muller, president
>
>     Montague WebWorks
>
>     20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
>
>     413-320-5336
>
>     http://MontagueWebWorks.com  <http://MontagueWebWorks.com>
>
>     Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
>     On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
>         Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>
>
>         I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year
>         or so ago, because they were too expensive, always on the
>         upsell, obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get
>         hold of anyone for tech support.
>
>         My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d
>         cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>
>
>         I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to
>         him, the rep said that
>
>          1. They cannot refund the money the client was billed because
>             it was billed 30 days ago.
>          2. They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if
>             you wanted to use it again??
>          3. They cannot remove my client?s credit card information
>             from the account because (see number 2).
>
>         I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit
>         information in NS?s records if we weren?t using their
>         services. (My client is going to get a new credit card, and
>         ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she
>         did not authorize the purchase).
>
>         This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially
>         holding my client?s credit card information hostage, against
>         my client?s wishes.
>
>
>         Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this
>         situation?
>
>         Thanks!
>         Julie Waggoner
>
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From markdhamill at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 18:55:45 2022
From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <21a534d9-34d3-8a03-2633-bec663271558@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
 <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
 <21a534d9-34d3-8a03-2633-bec663271558@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <CAB22ZO8FpT0jQgp56LA7hNNfaPdNSMM_8H=dhEEQDnkkkWD2PA@mail.gmail.com>

Cloudflare supposedly sells domains with no markup. I use namesilo.com as
lots of features like privacy protection don't cost extra.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I think we've covered this already in a recent thread, but I've been using
> GoDaddy for years and have about 550 domains there.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 6/8/2022 12:25 PM, Fred Grossberg via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Grossberg
>
>
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> *On Behalf Of *Sam
> McClellan via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> *To:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
>
>
>
> Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up,
> they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a
> domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" with the
> same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about their
> manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your client had
> that experience, it's a different version of the same story I've heard many
> times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly toxic, and GoDaddy
> also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious playbook. I've wasted too
> many hours of my life helping clients get away from these guys.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sam McClellan*
>
> *Itabix, Inc*
>
> *one place for all things **web*
>
> *sam at itabix.com <sam at itabix.com>*
>
> *https://itabix.com <https://itabix.com>*
>
> *Main - 413.587.4600*
>
> *Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) *
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the for-profit
> spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that managed all the
> domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down the worst one out
> there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer your domain name away,
> you need to click an extra two "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell
> you they will review your request and you may get an email in three days
> with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?
>
> Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember or
> been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, fill
> out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to then
> reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were real?) and
> then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if you were the
> person who got the domain name, at which point you needed to print the
> email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150
> in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal. Network
> Solutions is their legacy.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
>
> Montague WebWorks
>
> 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
>
> 413-320-5336
>
> http://MontagueWebWorks.com
>
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>
>
> I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago,
> because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final
> costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.
>
>
>
> My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d cancelled
> and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>
>
> I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep
> said that
>
>    1. They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was
>    billed 30 days ago.
>    2. They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you
>    wanted to use it again??
>    3. They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the
>    account because (see number 2).
>
>
>
> I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information in
> NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is going to get
> a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing
> since she did not authorize the purchase).
>
> This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my
> client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.
>
>
> Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation?
>
> Thanks!
> Julie Waggoner
>
>
>
>
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From ed at edbride-pr.com  Wed Jun  8 19:23:43 2022
From: ed at edbride-pr.com (ed at edbride-pr.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:23:43 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <CAB22ZO8FpT0jQgp56LA7hNNfaPdNSMM_8H=dhEEQDnkkkWD2PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
 <02fe01d87b54$55c67b50$015371f0$@verizon.net>
 <21a534d9-34d3-8a03-2633-bec663271558@montaguewebworks.com>
 <CAB22ZO8FpT0jQgp56LA7hNNfaPdNSMM_8H=dhEEQDnkkkWD2PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d001d87b6d$454f3460$cfed9d20$@edbride-pr.com>

This is a good thread. 

 

I have NS for business, and have used GoDaddy for a non-profit domain (Berkshires Jazz) for years, and have been shy about saying I have no complaints (other than the constant upsell attempts). How much of a problem is it, really, extricating from Network Solutions? I?d love to have everything in one place, and don?t want to pull out of two different places at the same time; too risky.

 

Ed Bride

 

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On Behalf Of Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:56 PM
To: Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
Cc: email list Hidden-Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions

 

Cloudflare supposedly sells domains with no markup. I use namesilo.com <http://namesilo.com>  as lots of features like privacy protection don't cost extra.

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > wrote:

I think we've covered this already in a recent thread, but I've been using GoDaddy for years and have about 550 domains there.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 6/8/2022 12:25 PM, Fred Grossberg via Hidden-discuss wrote:

Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?

Thanks,

Fred Grossberg

 

From: Hidden-discuss  <mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On Behalf Of Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> 
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions

 

Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up, they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" with the same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about their manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your client had that experience, it's a different version of the same story I've heard many times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly toxic, and GoDaddy also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious playbook. I've wasted too many hours of my life helping clients get away from these guys.

Sam

 

  



Sam McClellan

Itabix, Inc

one place for all things web

sam at itabix.com <mailto:sam at itabix.com> 

https://itabix.com

Main - 413.587.4600

Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) 

 

On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:

Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the for-profit spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that managed all the domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down the worst one out there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer your domain name away, you need to click an extra two "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell you they will review your request and you may get an email in three days with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?

Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember or been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, fill out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to then reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were real?) and then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if you were the person who got the domain name, at which point you needed to print the email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150 in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal. Network Solutions is their legacy.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:

Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?


I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago, because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.

 

My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d cancelled and that we haven?t used for the past year.


I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep said that

1.	They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was billed 30 days ago.
2.	They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you wanted to use it again??
3.	They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the account because (see number 2).

 

I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information in NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is going to get a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing since she did not authorize the purchase).

This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.


Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation? 

Thanks!
Julie Waggoner 

 

 

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From markdhamill at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 21:57:40 2022
From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 17:57:40 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
In-Reply-To: <00d001d87b6d$454f3460$cfed9d20$@edbride-pr.com>
References: <024001d87ad8$36b7f620$a427e260$@comcast.net>
 <e7c9a644-6a23-b1a4-e16a-f496a14f0b03@montaguewebworks.com>
 <3b0409b5-9fdc-036c-e2a5-4af5333bef48@itabix.com>
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The main thing with moving registrars is that it's a hassle. You need to
get an EPP code for each domain you want to move and the process takes
about a week. It's a lot of manual work on both registrars. My general rule
of thumb is never to use your host as a registrar. There are so many bad
hosts out there that you often find you just want to rehost. Point the
domain to the new host after moving files and database and you are done.

It's a bit off topic, but I moved a client from Network Solutions to
Dreamhost recently. He was using some shared hosting solution that had
basically unlimited file space, which he needed, and was paying an arm and
a leg for it. He had a five year contract so he figured the need to hobble
through until it ran out. But there were continual issues with timeouts and
hosting resources, plus they were painfully behind on keeping the
infrastructure upgraded, and one of the last hosts to install PHP 7.2. He
wisely chose a Dreamhost VPS account which is still less than half of what
he was paying for NS and things run spiffy and fast now. NS is just a
really poor host: old infrastructure, bad support and regular nitpicky
problems for customers to decipher and work through. Definitely a host to
be avoided.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 5:37 PM ed--- via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> This is a good thread.
>
>
>
> I have NS for business, and have used GoDaddy for a non-profit domain
> (Berkshires Jazz) for years, and have been shy about saying I have no
> complaints (other than the constant upsell attempts). How much of a problem
> is it, really, extricating from Network Solutions? I?d love to have
> everything in one place, and don?t want to pull out of two different places
> at the same time; too risky.
>
>
>
> Ed Bride
>
>
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:56 PM
> *To:* Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
> *Cc:* email list Hidden-Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
>
>
>
> Cloudflare supposedly sells domains with no markup. I use namesilo.com as
> lots of features like privacy protection don't cost extra.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 2:16 PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
> I think we've covered this already in a recent thread, but I've been using
> GoDaddy for years and have about 550 domains there.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
>
> Montague WebWorks
>
> 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
>
> 413-320-5336
>
> http://MontagueWebWorks.com
>
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 6/8/2022 12:25 PM, Fred Grossberg via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Who would you guys recommend for a registrar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Grossberg
>
>
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> *On Behalf Of *Sam
> McClellan via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> *To:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Network Solutions
>
>
>
> Yes, Nitwit Solutions. Ever since other registrars started popping up,
> they've been working very hard to keep people paying 3x as much for a
> domain to no apparent benefit, and then expanding their "services" with the
> same playbook. Over the years they've gotten subtler about their
> manipulations but still quite toxic. I'm very sorry to hear your client had
> that experience, it's a different version of the same story I've heard many
> times. Definitely stay away. Register.com is similarly toxic, and GoDaddy
> also uses a similar if somewhat less egregious playbook. I've wasted too
> many hours of my life helping clients get away from these guys.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sam McClellan*
>
> *Itabix, Inc*
>
> *one place for all things **web*
>
> *sam at itabix.com <sam at itabix.com>*
>
> *https://itabix.com <https://itabix.com>*
>
> *Main - 413.587.4600*
>
> *Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) *
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2022 10:23 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Despite their history of being the first Registrar (they're the for-profit
> spin-off of the original Internic, the non-profit that managed all the
> domains starting in the 1990s), they are hands down the worst one out
> there. It's so bad that even if you want to transfer your domain name away,
> you need to click an extra two "are you sure" yes buttons, then they tell
> you they will review your request and you may get an email in three days
> with your Auth Code. I mean... WTH?
>
> Funny thing about the Internic, for those of you who may not remember or
> been around in those days, back then you would go to their website, fill
> out a long form, which would send you an email. You would have to then
> reply to that email (I guess that was how they verified you were real?) and
> then you had to wait a week for their reply email to see if you were the
> person who got the domain name, at which point you needed to print the
> email and mail it to them with a check for $75. Yes. And that's about $150
> in today's dollars. The whole thing took two weeks. It was brutal. Network
> Solutions is their legacy.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
>
> Montague WebWorks
>
> 20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
>
> 413-320-5336
>
> http://MontagueWebWorks.com
>
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 6/7/2022 9:36 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any recent interactions with Network Solutions?
>
>
> I cancelled all services with NS for one of my clients a year or so ago,
> because they were too expensive, always on the upsell, obfuscating final
> costs, and it was impossible to get hold of anyone for tech support.
>
>
>
> My client was recently billed over $900, for services that I?d cancelled
> and that we haven?t used for the past year.
>
>
> I did manage to get an NS rep on the phone. When talking to him, the rep
> said that
>
>    1. They cannot refund the money the client was billed because it was
>    billed 30 days ago.
>    2. They cannot ?close? the client?s account because ?what if you
>    wanted to use it again??
>    3. They cannot remove my client?s credit card information from the
>    account because (see number 2).
>
>
>
> I told them we were not happy having the client?s credit information in
> NS?s records if we weren?t using their services. (My client is going to get
> a new credit card, and ask the credit card company to refuse the billing
> since she did not authorize the purchase).
>
> This seems like it should be illegal. They?re essentially holding my
> client?s credit card information hostage, against my client?s wishes.
>
>
> Has anyone had this experience, or have any insight into this situation?
>
> Thanks!
> Julie Waggoner
>
>
>
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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 18:28:21 2022
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:28:21 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * MacBook Pro-compatible USB hardwired, non-LED,
 mouse? * * *
Message-ID: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

So far I have been striking out on this, and have hopes that someone here
can help...

As my title indicated, I need to find a hardwired, non-LED (non-optical)
mouse to use with my MacBook Pro. I think it will be a "trackball" type.

I called my favorite shop, Less EMF Store, and they have also been
searching for other customers, to no avail. I thought I could find a mouse
and a Mac adaptor. But, no go...

Any ideas? Solutions?

Thanks!
Deb Chandler
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Tue Jun 21 19:33:52 2022
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:33:52 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * MacBook Pro-compatible USB hardwired,
 non-LED, mouse? * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2af0330-3977-9f0c-7262-8b6a120a611b@montaguewebworks.com>

Scroll down. There are a few of them.

  * https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=mac+mouse+ball+-bluetooth+-wireless&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=mac+mouse+ball+-bluetooth&_osacat=0
    <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=mac+mouse+ball+-bluetooth+-wireless&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=mac+mouse+ball+-bluetooth&_osacat=0>

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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On 6/21/2022 2:28 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> So far I have been striking out on this, and?have hopes that someone 
> here can help...
>
> As my title indicated, I need to find a hardwired, non-LED 
> (non-optical) mouse to use with my MacBook Pro. I think it will be a 
> "trackball" type.
>
> I called my favorite shop, Less EMF Store, and they have also been 
> searching for?other customers, to no avail. I thought I could find a 
> mouse and a Mac adaptor. But, no go...
>
> Any ideas? Solutions?
>
> Thanks!
> Deb Chandler
>
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Tue Jun 21 19:34:18 2022
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:34:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * MacBook Pro-compatible USB hardwired,
 non-LED, ? mouse? * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20220621193418.4915F223675@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

Aren't all "modern" Mac's equiped with USB? If so, any *USB* mouse or
trackball should work, even if it is said to be for a PC -- USB is indeed a
"Universal" interface, and USB HID is a standardized protocol (HID is Human
Interface Device, which includes mice, trackballs, trackpads, keyboards, game
controllers, and anything that pretends to be one of these [like barcode
scanners and mag stripe scanners]).

I don't know if *mechanical* mice are even still made. But you should be able
to get an actual trackball (stationarry unit with a ball on top, not a movable 
mouse with a ball underneath).

At Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:28:21 -0400 Deborah Chandler <debchandler411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> So far I have been striking out on this, and have hopes that someone here
> can help...
> 
> As my title indicated, I need to find a hardwired, non-LED (non-optical)
> mouse to use with my MacBook Pro. I think it will be a "trackball" type.
> 
> I called my favorite shop, Less EMF Store, and they have also been
> searching for other customers, to no avail. I thought I could find a mouse
> and a Mac adaptor. But, no go...
> 
> Any ideas? Solutions?
> 
> Thanks!
> Deb Chandler
> 
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Tue Jun 21 19:48:01 2022
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * MacBook Pro-compatible USB hardwired,
 non-LED, ? mouse? * * *
In-Reply-To: <20220621193418.4915F223675@sharky4.deepsoft.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqtVtcyecyD_-Q=+J0HiyJtRq93swd8ZHgChqubHih-Tg@mail.gmail.com> 
 <20220621193418.4915F223675@sharky4.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <20220621194801.5309B223675@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

I would expexct that any of these:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wired+trackball

should work.

At Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:

> 
> Aren't all "modern" Mac's equiped with USB? If so, any *USB* mouse or
> trackball should work, even if it is said to be for a PC -- USB is indeed a
> "Universal" interface, and USB HID is a standardized protocol (HID is Human
> Interface Device, which includes mice, trackballs, trackpads, keyboards, game
> controllers, and anything that pretends to be one of these [like barcode
> scanners and mag stripe scanners]).
> 
> I don't know if *mechanical* mice are even still made. But you should be able
> to get an actual trackball (stationarry unit with a ball on top, not a movable 
> mouse with a ball underneath).
> 
> At Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:28:21 -0400 Deborah Chandler <debchandler411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > So far I have been striking out on this, and have hopes that someone here
> > can help...
> > 
> > As my title indicated, I need to find a hardwired, non-LED (non-optical)
> > mouse to use with my MacBook Pro. I think it will be a "trackball" type.
> > 
> > I called my favorite shop, Less EMF Store, and they have also been
> > searching for other customers, to no avail. I thought I could find a mouse
> > and a Mac adaptor. But, no go...
> > 
> > Any ideas? Solutions?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Deb Chandler
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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> > 
> 

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