From alan at 8wheels.org  Thu Jul  8 13:20:36 2021
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:20:36 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
In-Reply-To: <407457828.1355398.1625592260908@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <c277ce213e2831fc26668dd22ebd4412@8wheels.org>
 <638579647.995880.1625072885111@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0d34854d1fc6cf03c725c2a27d794f52@8wheels.org>
 <407457828.1355398.1625592260908@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a2d7ced8573a545a67cee538510626a7@8wheels.org>

I am trying to install Docker on Windows 10.  This requires first 
installing Linux.  I've done that; Fedora in particular because the 
production server for the project I'm hoping to work on uses it.

However, having done that, when I try to start it, Linux will not run 
because I don't have
Hyper-V enabled, which I can't because I have Windows 10 Home.  Before
I pay $35 to the Evil Empire to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, I want to
confirm that it's necessary and I'm not going down the wrong rabbit 
hole.

I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with this configuration.

--Alan

From heller at deepsoft.com  Thu Jul  8 19:05:01 2021
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Thu,  8 Jul 2021 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
In-Reply-To: <a2d7ced8573a545a67cee538510626a7@8wheels.org>
References: <c277ce213e2831fc26668dd22ebd4412@8wheels.org>? 
 <638579647.995880.1625072885111@mail.yahoo.com>? 
 <0d34854d1fc6cf03c725c2a27d794f52@8wheels.org>? 
 <407457828.1355398.1625592260908@mail.yahoo.com> 
 <a2d7ced8573a545a67cee538510626a7@8wheels.org>
Message-ID: <20210708190501.17143221F2E@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

At Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:20:36 -0400 Alan Frank <alan at 8wheels.org> wrote:

> 
> I am trying to install Docker on Windows 10.  This requires first 
> installing Linux.  I've done that; Fedora in particular because the 
> production server for the project I'm hoping to work on uses it.
> 
> However, having done that, when I try to start it, Linux will not run 
> because I don't have
> Hyper-V enabled, which I can't because I have Windows 10 Home.  Before
> I pay $35 to the Evil Empire to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, I want to
> confirm that it's necessary and I'm not going down the wrong rabbit 
> hole.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with this configuration.

How are you installing Linux?  In a VM?  What virtualization system are you 
using?

*Linux* itself does not need Hyper-V, but maybe (?) the virtualization system 
you are using wants it (don't know why that would be either).  Maybe you 
selected a wrong option?

I've installed Linux both on the bare metal and in VMs (with a Linux host), 
never needed Hyper-V, just fairly garden varity processors. I do know that 
when my VM hosting machine boots up and starts the virtualization, it notes 
that Hyper-V is not available and notes that the Hyper-V kernel modules are 
not loaded.  This is just informative and has no other effect.

> 
> --Alan
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From the at otherrealm.org  Thu Jul  8 21:12:35 2021
From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:12:35 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
In-Reply-To: <20210708190501.17143221F2E@sharky4.deepsoft.com>
References: <c277ce213e2831fc26668dd22ebd4412@8wheels.org>
 <638579647.995880.1625072885111@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0d34854d1fc6cf03c725c2a27d794f52@8wheels.org>
 <407457828.1355398.1625592260908@mail.yahoo.com>
 <a2d7ced8573a545a67cee538510626a7@8wheels.org>
 <20210708190501.17143221F2E@sharky4.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <ee21ae9b-207d-1d64-ff57-5405e11e01b1@otherrealm.org>

I have dealt with this in reverse.? In my case I had Hyper-V and did not 
want it because it is incompatible with VirtualBox which I need for 
other things.? I needed to disable Hyper-V in order for VirtualBox to work.

Your best bet is to install VirtualBox <https://www.virtualbox.org/>, 
then install a full Linux VM, and then install Docker into the Linux VM.

Or just scrap Windows all together and install Linux as the main OS

Aaron E-J
The Other Realm
http://otherrealm.org
http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)

On 2021-07-08 3:05 PM, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> At Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:20:36 -0400 Alan Frank <alan at 8wheels.org> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to install Docker on Windows 10.  This requires first
>> installing Linux.  I've done that; Fedora in particular because the
>> production server for the project I'm hoping to work on uses it.
>>
>> However, having done that, when I try to start it, Linux will not run
>> because I don't have
>> Hyper-V enabled, which I can't because I have Windows 10 Home.  Before
>> I pay $35 to the Evil Empire to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, I want to
>> confirm that it's necessary and I'm not going down the wrong rabbit
>> hole.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with this configuration.
> How are you installing Linux?  In a VM?  What virtualization system are you
> using?
>
> *Linux* itself does not need Hyper-V, but maybe (?) the virtualization system
> you are using wants it (don't know why that would be either).  Maybe you
> selected a wrong option?
>
> I've installed Linux both on the bare metal and in VMs (with a Linux host),
> never needed Hyper-V, just fairly garden varity processors. I do know that
> when my VM hosting machine boots up and starts the virtualization, it notes
> that Hyper-V is not available and notes that the Hyper-V kernel modules are
> not loaded.  This is just informative and has no other effect.
>
>> --Alan
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
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From val at valnelson.com  Mon Jul 12 18:27:32 2021
From: val at valnelson.com (Val Nelson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend?
Message-ID: <CAPbwwh8LbMyELro9Dsid8gHKAU_k4puAzMcJ5ZfP3-4mVXvrdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi HT community,

One of my clients is looking for a professional organizer and I don't know
who to refer her to.

Do you have people in Western Mass you can recommend?

Thank you!
Val

______________________________
*Val Nelson*

THE BLACK SWAN COACH
career ~ business ~ *impact *

ValNelson.com <https://valnelson.com/> (new website)
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From christopher.borowiec at bofa.com  Mon Jul 12 19:27:39 2021
From: christopher.borowiec at bofa.com (Borowiec, Christopher)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:27:39 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? [Sent To:
 christopher.borowiec@ustrust.com]
In-Reply-To: <CAPbwwh8LbMyELro9Dsid8gHKAU_k4puAzMcJ5ZfP3-4mVXvrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8f7a9ede3cdb4226af143ce2d88f39f6@bofa.com>

Hello.
For books and records or for a household (everything and anything)?
Thank you.


Christopher T. Borowiec

Managing Director, Private Client Advisor
NMLS ID 574389

BANK OF AMERICA PRIVATE BANK
CT2-500-28-01, 185 Asylum St, Hartford, CT 06103
T 860-952-7141<tel:860-952-7141>?F 860-952-7130<tel:860-952-7130>
christopher.borowiec at bofa.com<mailto:christopher.borowiec at bofa.com>
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Join my WebEx<https://goto.webex.com/meet/pr1717740340>

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P R I V A T E  B A N K



From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net>> on behalf of: Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>>
Date: Monday, Jul 12, 2021, 3:09 PM
To: Hidden-Tech Listserv <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>>
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? [Sent To: christopher.borowiec at ustrust.com]

Hi HT community,

One of my clients is looking for a professional organizer and I don't know who to refer her to.

Do you have people in Western Mass you can recommend?

Thank you!
Val

______________________________
Val Nelson

THE BLACK SWAN COACH
career ~ business ~ impact

ValNelson.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://valnelson.com/__;!!I2XIyG2ANlwasLbx!BaQYSS7C4ydRwAJEOJKQScgCktatC2ZE_iKq4gWYW5QQA1m914mD6QTBiQuJapw5gCchDL3rEg$> (new website)


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From krystyobolyte at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 19:55:59 2021
From: krystyobolyte at gmail.com (Kristi)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? [Sent To:
 christopher.borowiec@ustrust.com]
In-Reply-To: <8f7a9ede3cdb4226af143ce2d88f39f6@bofa.com>
References: <CAPbwwh8LbMyELro9Dsid8gHKAU_k4puAzMcJ5ZfP3-4mVXvrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPg8hJEZOPzLeu5jzx2sPqikQfx3UdOmAkg0Mi9yLzExUNii0A@mail.gmail.com>

professional organizer:

Sensible Sort, LLC  - Kira Coopersmith

https://www.sensiblesort.com/

(413) 213-1017





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On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:47 PM Borowiec, Christopher via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello.
> For books and records or for a household (everything and anything)?
> Thank you.
>
>
> *Christopher T. Borowiec*
>
> Managing Director, Private Client Advisor
> NMLS ID 574389
>
> *BANK OF AMERICA PRIVATE BANK*
> CT2-500-28-01, 185 Asylum St, Hartford, CT 06103
> T 860-952-7141 F 860-952-7130
> christopher.borowiec at bofa.com
> privatebank.bankofamerica.com
>
>
>
> Join my WebEx <https://goto.webex.com/meet/pr1717740340>
>
>
> Office of Supervisory Jurisdiction
> Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith Inc
> NJ6-503-04-02, 208 Harristown Rd, Glen Rock, NJ 07452
> T 201-251-5294
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image003.png at 01D4D26E.43CAD9B0]
>
> P R I V A T E  B A N K
>
>
> *From: *Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on
> behalf of: Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Date: *Monday, Jul 12, 2021, 3:09 PM
> *To: *Hidden-Tech Listserv <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject: *[Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? [Sent To:
> christopher.borowiec at ustrust.com]
>
> Hi HT community,
>
> One of my clients is looking for a professional organizer and I don't know
> who to refer her to.
>
> Do you have people in Western Mass you can recommend?
>
> Thank you!
> Val
>
> ______________________________
> *Val Nelson*
>
> THE BLACK SWAN COACH
> career ~ business ~ *impact *
>
> ValNelson.com
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://valnelson.com/__;!!I2XIyG2ANlwasLbx!BaQYSS7C4ydRwAJEOJKQScgCktatC2ZE_iKq4gWYW5QQA1m914mD6QTBiQuJapw5gCchDL3rEg$> (new
> website)
>
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From donnabrook at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 20:31:43 2021
From: donnabrook at gmail.com (donna brooks)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? Jill
 Bromberg-
In-Reply-To: <CAPg8hJEZOPzLeu5jzx2sPqikQfx3UdOmAkg0Mi9yLzExUNii0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPg8hJEZOPzLeu5jzx2sPqikQfx3UdOmAkg0Mi9yLzExUNii0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9FF8703-AD2A-4313-AF0F-27956D7CCB6F@gmail.com>


Jill Bromberg- excellent and experienced. Easy to relax around and talk things through with.

https://www.serenityhomeorganizing.com/

Donna Brooks 
OriginalBodyWisdom.com


> On Jul 12, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Kristi via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> professional organizer:
> 
> Sensible Sort, LLC  - Kira Coopersmith
> 
> https://www.sensiblesort.com/
> 
> (413) 213-1017
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kristi A. Bodin
> Montague, MA
> c: 413-695-9848
> krystyobolyte at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristibodin
> https://twitter.com/KABESQ
> http://KABESQ.com
> Legal Solutions in Plain English
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:47 PM Borowiec, Christopher via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>> Hello. 
>> For books and records or for a household (everything and anything)?
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher T. Borowiec
>> Managing Director, Private Client Advisor
>> NMLS ID 574389
>> 
>> BANK OF AMERICA PRIVATE BANK
>> CT2-500-28-01, 185 Asylum St, Hartford, CT 06103
>> T 860-952-7141?F 860-952-7130
>> christopher.borowiec at bofa.com
>> privatebank.bankofamerica.com
>>  
>> Join my WebEx
>> 
>> Office of Supervisory Jurisdiction
>> Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith Inc
>> NJ6-503-04-02, 208 Harristown Rd, Glen Rock, NJ 07452
>> T 201-251-5294
>>  
>> <37056D97-53E0-4036-B9B6-BEFE9D24B467.jpg>
>> P R I V A T E  B A N K
>> 
>> 
>> From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of: Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
>> Date: Monday, Jul 12, 2021, 3:09 PM
>> To: Hidden-Tech Listserv <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
>> Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend? [Sent To: christopher.borowiec at ustrust.com]
>> 
>> Hi HT community,
>> 
>> One of my clients is looking for a professional organizer and I don't know who to refer her to. 
>> 
>> Do you have people in Western Mass you can recommend?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Val
>> 
>> ______________________________
>> Val Nelson
>> 
>> THE BLACK SWAN COACH
>> career ~ business ~ impact 
>> 
>> ValNelson.com (new website)
>> 
>> This message, and any attachments, is for the intended recipient(s) only, may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or proprietary and subject to important terms and conditions available at http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message.
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From anita.lockesmith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 21:15:49 2021
From: anita.lockesmith at gmail.com (Anita Lockesmith)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] professional organizer to recommend?
In-Reply-To: <CAPbwwh8LbMyELro9Dsid8gHKAU_k4puAzMcJ5ZfP3-4mVXvrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPbwwh8LbMyELro9Dsid8gHKAU_k4puAzMcJ5ZfP3-4mVXvrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFX_bu=Si0pPEFGGVdHLXZhgyzcGsZGY-Uw7dFp4AzGSOTR5Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Serenity Home Organizing <https://www.serenityhomeorganizing.com/>, Jill
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:09 PM Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi HT community,
>
> One of my clients is looking for a professional organizer and I don't know
> who to refer her to.
>
> Do you have people in Western Mass you can recommend?
>
> Thank you!
> Val
>
> ______________________________
> *Val Nelson*
>
> THE BLACK SWAN COACH
> career ~ business ~ *impact *
>
> ValNelson.com <https://valnelson.com/> (new website)
>
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Wed Jul 14 18:49:02 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 14:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] What the comments about using the Contao CMS
Message-ID: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>

https://contao.org/en/

Looking for experience and comments? - working on a project that is 
considering it
Esp in comparison to Wordpress

(Those involved in the project being discussed please hold comments - 
you'll get your chance later)

-- 
Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
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Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
And for Arts and relaxation:
http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck
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From jeff at deltafactory.com  Thu Jul 15 14:22:36 2021
From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] What the comments about using the Contao CMS
In-Reply-To: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>
References: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <6f66e2ee-5c13-7362-b7da-9421440d967e@deltafactory.com>

I have no experience with this platform but some thoughts after a quick 
look at the demo site/admin:

Despite the dated look of the demo site, the extension repository seems 
fairly active. The GitHub repo is filled with lots of recent commits and 
issues. They support modern versions of PHP. Lots of documentation. All 
good signs that I wish I saw more often...

The content editor on the demo is "old-school" compared to the explosion 
of block editors and builders in the WordPress world. That may not be an 
issue for your client. The demo admin seems really clean and fast.

If you find extensions that do what you need, or find the learning curve 
for a custom plugin to be reasonable, then it seems worth a shot.

I hope you'll report back to us if you go that route.


From jeff at deltafactory.com  Thu Jul 15 14:23:32 2021
From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
In-Reply-To: <ee21ae9b-207d-1d64-ff57-5405e11e01b1@otherrealm.org>
References: <ee21ae9b-207d-1d64-ff57-5405e11e01b1@otherrealm.org>
Message-ID: <60ba33d7-29a8-488d-2ea5-0a98066cd9f7@deltafactory.com>

I second the recommendation for VirtualBox as I've run into the same 
issues: Windows Home doesn't let you use Hyper-V. I believe that 
VirtualBox is free - even for commercial use - as long as you do not use 
the USB extensions. I use it daily for dev environments.

From jeff at rubberneck.net  Thu Jul 15 18:34:10 2021
From: jeff at rubberneck.net (Jeff Mackler)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:34:10 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] What the comments about using the Contao CMS
In-Reply-To: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>
References: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <CAKnqJhCEGf1TUuZhzo91xj=3QthRoAirUhj5dhhYJGGkJCTXQQ@mail.gmail.com>

We're not fans. We didn't deploy anything in it, but we built some test
sites. We've also moved 3 clients out of it and into Wordpress or Drupal.
They were miserable in Contao due to the lack of features, support,
community, and general UX.

Just from the perspective of getting developer support down the line,
Contao is extremely limited (read that as expensive), and WordPress is the
opposite. I'm sure someone who has used it more than we have could give you
some reasons why it's better, but I can't think of a single one.

Good luck.

-Jeff


On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:02 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> https://contao.org/en/
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8dfad10d878c879cd076c3ef7373033fe5422451?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcontao.org%2Fen%2F&userId=2715115&signature=d0fd9b9f4d494a15>
>
> Looking for experience and comments  - working on a project that is
> considering it
> Esp in comparison to Wordpress
>
> (Those involved in the project being discussed please hold comments -
> you'll get your chance later)
>
> --
> Rich Roth
> CEO TnR Global
>
> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/5e5239ebe2058870eff65bd0cdf46053c5435b3e?url=http%3A%2F%2Frizbang.com&userId=2715115&signature=f2dd7928fa5d5033>
> Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/edbdeff180fac745065071b030314ef2b519c070?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tnrglobal.com&userId=2715115&signature=6c48e1a8754d0907>
> Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/c20fda57f3bb3c7a8fc433208679a1393b740584?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hidden-tech.net&userId=2715115&signature=044a2910181da04e>
> Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/e42d2e6ca58352d9d5dec244815b39172b0fe55a?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.meetmewhere.com&userId=2715115&signature=2ff3ad2043a62305>
> And for Arts and relaxation:
> http://TarotMuertos.com
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/b62cddc697b686bc3295079a9bb5b3e91d43e8dd?url=http%3A%2F%2FTarotMuertos.com&userId=2715115&signature=d75677bad3d6a39d>
> - Artistic Tarot Deck
>     http://www.welovemuseums.com
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/419e15cdd7d390e4f1de0fc09ce6287fb2ccb075?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welovemuseums.com&userId=2715115&signature=e12601a0e12be022>
>     http://www.artonmytv.com/
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/efff385ed381467075e4dbb92d1c7833d4d5e25b?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artonmytv.com%2F&userId=2715115&signature=fdcd68e7f89da001>
> Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/
> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d1f4069b52fa9453f605aedd893fc4b6fa7b12fa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shakerpedia.com%2F&userId=2715115&signature=aff6214f29b933ce>
> Helping move the world:             http://www.earththrives.com
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Fri Jul 16 16:59:06 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 12:59:06 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] What the comments about using the Contao CMS
In-Reply-To: <CAKnqJhCEGf1TUuZhzo91xj=3QthRoAirUhj5dhhYJGGkJCTXQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37252c20-d42f-0e99-a722-3dc2820e5f69@tnrglobal.com>
 <CAKnqJhCEGf1TUuZhzo91xj=3QthRoAirUhj5dhhYJGGkJCTXQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab390169-2750-c3db-9210-6024fe1d470c@montaguewebworks.com>

Sometimes less is more. Depends on the project and who will be operating 
it in the future.

Mik

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On 7/15/2021 2:34 PM, Jeff Mackler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> We're not fans. We didn't deploy anything?in it, but we built some 
> test sites. We've also moved 3 clients out of it and into Wordpress or 
> Drupal.? They were?miserable?in Contao due to the lack of features, 
> support, community, and general UX.
>
> Just from the perspective of getting developer support down the line, 
> Contao is extremely limited (read that as expensive), and WordPress is 
> the opposite. I'm sure someone who has used it more than we have could 
> give you some reasons why it's better, but I can't think of a single one.
>
> Good luck.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:02 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>
>     https://contao.org/en/
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8dfad10d878c879cd076c3ef7373033fe5422451?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcontao.org%2Fen%2F&userId=2715115&signature=d0fd9b9f4d494a15>
>
>     Looking for experience and comments? - working on a project that is
>     considering it
>     Esp in comparison to Wordpress
>
>     (Those involved in the project being discussed please hold comments -
>     you'll get your chance later)
>
>     -- 
>     Rich Roth
>     CEO TnR Global
>
>     Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/5e5239ebe2058870eff65bd0cdf46053c5435b3e?url=http%3A%2F%2Frizbang.com&userId=2715115&signature=f2dd7928fa5d5033>
>     Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/edbdeff180fac745065071b030314ef2b519c070?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tnrglobal.com&userId=2715115&signature=6c48e1a8754d0907>
>     Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/c20fda57f3bb3c7a8fc433208679a1393b740584?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hidden-tech.net&userId=2715115&signature=044a2910181da04e>
>     Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/e42d2e6ca58352d9d5dec244815b39172b0fe55a?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.meetmewhere.com&userId=2715115&signature=2ff3ad2043a62305>
>     And for Arts and relaxation:
>     http://TarotMuertos.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/b62cddc697b686bc3295079a9bb5b3e91d43e8dd?url=http%3A%2F%2FTarotMuertos.com&userId=2715115&signature=d75677bad3d6a39d>
>     - Artistic Tarot Deck
>     http://www.welovemuseums.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/419e15cdd7d390e4f1de0fc09ce6287fb2ccb075?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welovemuseums.com&userId=2715115&signature=e12601a0e12be022>
>     http://www.artonmytv.com/
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/efff385ed381467075e4dbb92d1c7833d4d5e25b?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artonmytv.com%2F&userId=2715115&signature=fdcd68e7f89da001>
>     Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d1f4069b52fa9453f605aedd893fc4b6fa7b12fa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shakerpedia.com%2F&userId=2715115&signature=aff6214f29b933ce>
>     Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com
>     <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/aaa05987e2762d1279627be2ae9d9b07177306c5?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earththrives.com&userId=2715115&signature=47bd919b5726fde5>
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Sat Jul 17 20:59:18 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Mik Muller)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:59:18 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Large capacity hosts
Message-ID: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>

Recommendations for a high capacity remote storage solution. 1TB+, RDP, FTP, Nextcloud, etc / whatever.

Thanks,

Mik
413-320-5336

Sent from my iPhone


From paul at bissex.net  Sat Jul 17 22:38:44 2021
From: paul at bissex.net (Paul Bissex)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:38:44 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Large capacity hosts
In-Reply-To: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <0803d4b3-00dc-3986-e881-7ec3bc1ae5c7@bissex.net>

I'm a big fan of rsync.net. They've been around a long time, they build 
their own infra, and they really know what they're doing. Very 
Unix-oriented, i.e. you can use rsync / sftp / scp etc. to manage the 
filesystem.

If I'm reading their pricing right, it's $25/mo for 1TB and the rate 
drops at 10TB and 100TB.

 ? https://www.rsync.net/

-- Paul

On 7/17/21 4:59 PM, Mik Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Recommendations for a high capacity remote storage solution. 1TB+, RDP, FTP, Nextcloud, etc / whatever.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mik
> 413-320-5336
-- 

Paul Bissex, software engineer
http://paulbissex.com/
Greenfield MA 01301 USA
413-230-9451


From rob at 2disc.com  Sun Jul 18 14:34:18 2021
From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 14:34:18 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Large capacity hosts
In-Reply-To: <0803d4b3-00dc-3986-e881-7ec3bc1ae5c7@bissex.net>
References: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>,
 <0803d4b3-00dc-3986-e881-7ec3bc1ae5c7@bissex.net>
Message-ID: <BN9PR14MB5082355B01F16CA8BD7491E9E5E09@BN9PR14MB5082.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I don't know but pretty sure this local tech firm we use for all kinds of web tech would know (their website is minimal--busy firms don't need much of a site): nubbernaut.com<mailto:khulse at nubbernaut.com>.


Take Care,


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From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of Paul Bissex via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:38 PM
To: Mik Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>; Hidden-Tech Listserv <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Large capacity hosts

I'm a big fan of rsync.net. They've been around a long time, they build
their own infra, and they really know what they're doing. Very
Unix-oriented, i.e. you can use rsync / sftp / scp etc. to manage the
filesystem.

If I'm reading their pricing right, it's $25/mo for 1TB and the rate
drops at 10TB and 100TB.

   https://www.rsync.net/

-- Paul

On 7/17/21 4:59 PM, Mik Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Recommendations for a high capacity remote storage solution. 1TB+, RDP, FTP, Nextcloud, etc / whatever.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mik
> 413-320-5336
--

Paul Bissex, software engineer
http://paulbissex.com/
Greenfield MA 01301 USA
413-230-9451

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From gelinas.cw at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 12:53:16 2021
From: gelinas.cw at gmail.com (C G)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:53:16 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Code help - SSH -Visual Studio Code- LAMP Droplet
Message-ID: <CAPYVYy7RQybFdtWE22p7rJjmxO3aSWAGVkyYJ_Ad_jh4ybW1gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I am a self-taught developer learning full time since last July. I am at
the point where I need a job ASAP and I am starting to stress out a
little bit. I made sure that I spent hours and hours learning full stack
including Python. Now I am realizing that becoming a Python Developer is
going to take some time. So I have started to focus on WIX Website Builder
and HTML including Bootstrap5. I did not get a comp-sci degree and it is
evident with basic concepts I am missing. I can pay, I live in Easthampton,
I am fully vaccinated and I can meet outside if need be. I have a B.S. in
Natural Resource Conservation and I love this work.

Sincerely,

Chad Gelinas
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From gelinas.cw at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 17:20:30 2021
From: gelinas.cw at gmail.com (C G)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:20:30 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] All set connected to the server (morning post 7/19)
Message-ID: <CAPYVYy6J7=e+RSpKFCbAV7VB3-rDRBEqieyHk8SOrbUH+5MBgA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you everyone I finally connected. If there are job leads please let
me know for I am actively looking.

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From sam at itabix.com  Tue Jul 20 13:30:22 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:30:22 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Large capacity hosts
In-Reply-To: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <D0075088-18FE-4A79-8316-D2C87C0E1BAA@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <9ee1ae86-b685-2505-eed8-291eba8be253@itabix.com>

Hi Mik,

This is for file storage/backups? We love Backblaze B2 
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html, cheap fast and flexible.

Sam

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On 7/17/2021 4:59 PM, Mik Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Recommendations for a high capacity remote storage solution. 1TB+, RDP, FTP, Nextcloud, etc / whatever.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mik
> 413-320-5336
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From jwaggoner at micablue.com  Tue Jul 20 16:14:49 2021
From: jwaggoner at micablue.com (Julie Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:14:49 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
Message-ID: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>

I have a client who is - suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on
vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer
(unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).

They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the
organization, but not their own computer.

 

This is not my area of expertise, so I'm doing a bunch of research in order
to help them (so far I've updated plugins and installed several patches on
the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins
to see if one of them is causing a problem - next up, deactivating the
theme)..
.but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I'm
all ears!

Thank you!!
Julie Waggoner
MicaBlue Creative



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From jwaggoner at micablue.com  Tue Jul 20 16:25:47 2021
From: jwaggoner at micablue.com (Julie Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
Message-ID: <013a01d77d83$e5ef1e00$b1cd5a00$@micablue.com>

I realized I should clarify how the problem presents itself: the client is
able to access the login page, and enter their UN and PW. 

Then it "thinks about it for a while" and resets to the login page without
actually logging in.

Julie

 

From: Julie Waggoner [mailto:jwaggoner at micablue.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:15 PM
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
(Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net)
Subject: WordPress login issues

 

I have a client who is - suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on
vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer
(unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).

They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the
organization, but not their own computer.

 

This is not my area of expertise, so I'm doing a bunch of research in order
to help them (so far I've updated plugins and installed several patches on
the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins
to see if one of them is causing a problem - next up, deactivating the
theme)..
.but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I'm
all ears!

Thank you!!
Julie Waggoner
MicaBlue Creative



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From sam at itabix.com  Tue Jul 20 16:45:29 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:45:29 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <28069c88-4d49-4e31-bb24-6d3a0513c3be@itabix.com>

That sounds like a browser cache issue, I would either have them clear the browser cache or try with a different browser.

Sam

On Jul 20, 2021, 12:41 PM, at 12:41 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>I have a client who is - suddenly, within the past two weeks while I
>was on
>vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer
>(unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
>
>They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the
>organization, but not their own computer.
>
> 
>
>This is not my area of expertise, so I'm doing a bunch of research in
>order
>to help them (so far I've updated plugins and installed several patches
>on
>the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate
>plugins
>to see if one of them is causing a problem - next up, deactivating the
>theme)..
>.but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be,
>I'm
>all ears!
>
>Thank you!!
>Julie Waggoner
>MicaBlue Creative
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Tue Jul 20 16:46:33 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:46:33 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <8f10b72f-d1f2-7826-9532-03ea406ede72@tnrglobal.com>

Since you said other stations using her login info can login - that 
points to her computer, and is very specific

SO I'd start by deleting all cookies from the browser on the domain -- 
and also try a different browser

On 7/20/2021 12:14 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> I have a client who is ? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I 
> was on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific 
> computer (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
>
> They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the 
> organization, but not their own computer.
>
> This is not my area of expertise, so I?m doing a bunch of research in 
> order to help them (so far I?ve updated plugins and installed several 
> patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to 
> deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ? next 
> up, deactivating the theme)?.
> ?but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, 
> I?m all ears!
>
> Thank you!!
> Julie Waggoner
> MicaBlue Creative
>
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From jwaggoner at micablue.com  Tue Jul 20 16:46:57 2021
From: jwaggoner at micablue.com (Julie Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:46:57 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <28069c88-4d49-4e31-bb24-6d3a0513c3be@itabix.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
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I apologize, I should have clarified even further ? they cleared the browser cache, AND tried with different browsers on that computer. No go.

Thanks for your input, Sam!
Julie

 

From: Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:45 PM
To: Julie Waggoner
Cc: email list Hidden-Tech
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues

 

That sounds like a browser cache issue, I would either have them clear the browser cache or try with a different browser.

Sam

On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

I have a client who is ? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).

They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the organization, but not their own computer.

 

This is not my area of expertise, so I?m doing a bunch of research in order to help them (so far I?ve updated plugins and installed several patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ? next up, deactivating the theme)?.
?but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I?m all ears!

Thank you!!
Julie Waggoner
MicaBlue Creative

 


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From bklee at azurelink.com  Tue Jul 20 17:19:58 2021
From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:19:58 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <8f10b72f-d1f2-7826-9532-03ea406ede72@tnrglobal.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
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Hi Julie,

+1 for deleting browser cookies for the domain. Maybe cache too. Assuming ?organization? means they're logging in from the same IP address, like Rich said, it sounds specific to that computer. And check the site?s log files for recent entries.

Good luck,
Kimo


On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Since you said other stations using her login info can login - that points to her computer, and is very specific
> 
> SO I'd start by deleting all cookies from the browser on the domain -- and also try a different browser
> 
> On 7/20/2021 12:14 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> I have a client who is ? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
>> They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the organization, but not their own computer.
>>  
>> This is not my area of expertise, so I?m doing a bunch of research in order to help them (so far I?ve updated plugins and installed several patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ? next up, deactivating the theme)?.
>> ?but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I?m all ears!
>> 
>> Thank you!!
>> Julie Waggoner
>> MicaBlue Creative
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From jwaggoner at micablue.com  Tue Jul 20 17:53:51 2021
From: jwaggoner at micablue.com (Julie Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <83805a79-7554-4362-9dcd-53a515b84e0b@itabix.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
 <28069c88-4d49-4e31-bb24-6d3a0513c3be@itabix.com>
 <01b101d77d86$db120580$91361080$@micablue.com>
 <83805a79-7554-4362-9dcd-53a515b84e0b@itabix.com>
Message-ID: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>

Already added a new user, and they still can?t log into the site from that computer with the new ID.

CAN log in from a different computer.


I?m working with the host company and looking into potential problems with a plugin ? if I am able to resolve, will post the solution so others can benefit.

 

Julie

 

 

From: Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:40 PM
To: Julie Waggoner
Cc: email list Hidden-Tech
Subject: RE: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues

 

Question - can you log in with a different account on that computer, and can you log in with that account on a different computer?

On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Julie Waggoner <jwaggoner at micablue.com> wrote:

I apologize, I should have clarified even further ? they cleared the browser cache, AND tried with different browsers on that computer. No go. 

Thanks for your input, Sam!
Julie 

  

From: Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:45 PM
To: Julie Waggoner
Cc: email list Hidden-Tech
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues 

  

That sounds like a browser cache issue, I would either have them clear the browser cache or try with a different browser. 

Sam 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: 

I have a client who is ? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on). 

They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the organization, but not their own computer. 

  

This is not my area of expertise, so I?m doing a bunch of research in order to help them (so far I?ve updated plugins and installed several patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ? next up, deactivating the theme)?.
?but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I?m all ears!

Thank you!!
Julie Waggoner
MicaBlue Creative 

  


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From sam at itabix.com  Tue Jul 20 18:45:13 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:45:13 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
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> Is there anyway to change that machine's IP address?
Most networks have DHCP assigned IP's, I was trying to address that with 
ipconfig /renew but if each machine has a fixed IP it would make sense 
to try changing that, for sure.




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On 7/20/2021 2:30 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:46:57 -0400 Julie Waggoner <jwaggoner at micablue.com> wrote:
>
>> I apologize, I should have clarified even further ?????? they cleared the
>> browser cache, AND tried with different browsers on that computer. No go.
> Did they clear the cookies?  Did they flush the stored password(s)?
>
> What OS?
>
> Is there anyway to change that machine's IP address?
>
>> Thanks for your input, Sam!
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:45 PM
>> To: Julie Waggoner
>> Cc: email list Hidden-Tech
>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like a browser cache issue, I would either have them clear the browser cache or try with a different browser.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have a client who is ?????? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
>>
>> They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the organization, but not their own computer.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not my area of expertise, so I??????m doing a bunch of research in order to help them (so far I??????ve updated plugins and installed several patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ?????? next up, deactivating the theme)??????.
>> ??????but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I??????m all ears!
>>
>> Thank you!!
>> Julie Waggoner
>> MicaBlue Creative
>>
>>
>>
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From jeff at deltafactory.com  Tue Jul 20 18:25:50 2021
From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
References: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <e641f21d-8c48-9730-4bb7-f49aa62f52b8@deltafactory.com>

Since it sounds like it's something with the computer but not browser specific, what's shared? Do they use a password manager or other add-ons/extensions that are active across browsers? What about antivirus/security software that may integrate with the browser or intercept requests.

Also, way out in left field: is the system time/date correct?

 ?- Jeff

From jeff at deltafactory.com  Tue Jul 20 18:30:40 2021
From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
References: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <df6be8ef-cb80-dddc-f2e2-1d8c21abdfea@deltafactory.com>

More thoughts... The first thing that comes to mind on the server-side would be a block by IP. If they can log in from the same LAN on a different computer/device then that's not it.

That could be verified by connecting the computer to a phone hotspot, changing the user's source network/IP.

 ?- Jeff

From heller at deepsoft.com  Tue Jul 20 18:30:56 2021
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <20210720183056.AEE692231FB@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

At Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:14:49 -0400 Julie Waggoner <jwaggoner at micablue.com> wrote:

> 
> I have a client who is - suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was on
> vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer
> (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
> 
> They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the
> organization, but not their own computer.
> 
>  
> 
> This is not my area of expertise, so I'm doing a bunch of research in order
> to help them (so far I've updated plugins and installed several patches on
> the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to deactivate plugins
> to see if one of them is causing a problem - next up, deactivating the
> theme)..
> .but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, I'm
> all ears!

So they are sure that the have the correct password(s).  Somewhat obvious 
since you are able to login to do things like update plugins, etc. and they 
can log in from other computers.

There are two possiblities:

There is some borked with cookies on the misbehaving computer.

They have a security plugin that is blocking IP addresses (eg too many failed 
logins) and the misbehaving computer's IP is on the block list.

If the former, you can clear the cache and dump the cookies.

Also, is the misbehaving computer storing the WP password?  Is it storing the 
wrong password?  Also (have to ask, even it it is obviously stupid): caps 
lock?

Since the problem seems to be specific to one computer, the problem is most 
likely there (and not on the server or anything server-side, including WP or 
any plugins or the theme).

> 
> Thank you!!
> Julie Waggoner
> MicaBlue Creative
> 
> 
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From jwerner at jwdp.com  Tue Jul 20 20:49:30 2021
From: jwerner at jwdp.com (Jan Werner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:49:30 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
In-Reply-To: <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
References: <010201d77d82$5d632c80$18298580$@micablue.com>
 <28069c88-4d49-4e31-bb24-6d3a0513c3be@itabix.com>
 <01b101d77d86$db120580$91361080$@micablue.com>
 <83805a79-7554-4362-9dcd-53a515b84e0b@itabix.com>
 <025301d77d90$336775e0$9a3661a0$@micablue.com>
Message-ID: <ab70b880-2980-c009-c302-b629de21d02c@jwdp.com>

This sounds to me like some kind of firewall or DNS cache problem on the 
computer that you can't login from.

You did not specify the operating system, but for Windows I would start 
by flushing the DNS cache (ipfconfig /flushdns).  No doubt someone here 
can tell you how to do the same thing on a Mac.

If that doesn't work, you should start looking through your firewall 
settings, which will depend on the OS and firewall system used.

Jan Werner
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On 7/20/2021 1:53 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Already added a new user, and they still can?t log into the site from 
> that computer with the new ID.
> 
> CAN log in from a different computer.
> 
> 
> I?m working with the host company and looking into potential problems 
> with a plugin ? if I am able to resolve, will post the solution so 
> others can benefit.
> 
> Julie
> 
> *From:*Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:40 PM
> *To:* Julie Waggoner
> *Cc:* email list Hidden-Tech
> *Subject:* RE: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
> 
> Question - can you log in with a different account on that computer, and 
> can you log in with that account on a different computer?
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Julie Waggoner <jwaggoner at micablue.com 
> <mailto:jwaggoner at micablue.com>> wrote:
> 
> I apologize, I should have clarified even further ? they cleared the 
> browser cache, AND tried with different browsers on that computer. No go.
> 
> Thanks for your input, Sam!
> Julie
> 
> *From:*Sam McClellan [mailto:sam at itabix.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:45 PM
> *To:* Julie Waggoner
> *Cc:* email list Hidden-Tech
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress login issues
> 
> That sounds like a browser cache issue, I would either have them clear 
> the browser cache or try with a different browser.
> 
> Sam
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Julie Waggoner via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
> 
> I have a client who is ? suddenly, within the past two weeks while I was 
> on vacation -- unable to log into WordPress from one specific computer 
> (unfortunately, the computer that they do most of their work on).
> 
> They can log in from their laptop, and from other computers within the 
> organization, but not their own computer.
> 
> This is not my area of expertise, so I?m doing a bunch of research in 
> order to help them (so far I?ve updated plugins and installed several 
> patches on the back end, checked the allowed list, and am about to 
> deactivate plugins to see if one of them is causing a problem ? next up, 
> deactivating the theme)?.
> ?but if anyone has ideas or immediately knows what the issue might be, 
> I?m all ears!
> 
> Thank you!!
> Julie Waggoner
> MicaBlue Creative
> 
> Image removed by sender. 
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
> 
> 	
> 
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From jeff at rubberneck.net  Wed Jul 21 01:01:11 2021
From: jeff at rubberneck.net (Jeff Mackler)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 21:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Sound help
Message-ID: <CADgot01ERH0D6qDJA6DL1sNECQ8CCEj9xkMCvgxecfqxtwb9aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I?m considering moving my office to a new location, and one of the new
places I?m considering is great, except for the acoustics. I?m looking for
a sound engineer or expert to help me figure out how I might be able to add
some acoustic panels to reduce the echo and make it sound more natural.

In our increasingly Zoom-dependent professional world, we?re hoping we can
make the new space work but want to consult an expert to be sure. Obviously
a paid gig. Anyone know a local sound engineer with a couple free hours?

Thanks,
Jeff



-- 

~~
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MRW Connected / Rubberneck.Net / STEP Program of HCC
c: 413.265.0900
o: 413.282.8882
f: 877.288.4328

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Wed Jul 21 01:41:52 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 21:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Sound help
In-Reply-To: <CADgot01ERH0D6qDJA6DL1sNECQ8CCEj9xkMCvgxecfqxtwb9aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADgot01ERH0D6qDJA6DL1sNECQ8CCEj9xkMCvgxecfqxtwb9aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14223d25-ecbb-042c-370d-f7291071573b@tnrglobal.com>

this is not quite the answer I think you are looking for BUT you might 
find this interesting
A zoom room made in Western Mass (Greenfield to be exact) - 
https://bentocollective.com/

On 7/20/2021 9:01 PM, Jeff Mackler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi,
> I?m considering moving my office to a new location, and one of the new 
> places I?m considering is great, except for the acoustics. I?m looking 
> for a sound engineer or expert to help me figure out how I might be 
> able to add some acoustic panels to reduce the echo and make it sound 
> more natural.
>
> In our increasingly Zoom-dependent professional world, we?re hoping we 
> can make the new space work but want to consult an expert to be sure. 
> Obviously a paid gig. Anyone know a local sound engineer with a couple 
> free hours?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
>
> -- 
> ~~
> Jeff Mackler
> MRW Connected / Rubberneck.Net /?STEP Program of HCC
> c:?413.265.0900
> o: 413.282.8882
> f: 877.288.4328
>
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From tomadams at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 02:49:28 2021
From: tomadams at gmail.com (tom's gmail)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 22:49:28 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Sound help
In-Reply-To: <CADgot01ERH0D6qDJA6DL1sNECQ8CCEj9xkMCvgxecfqxtwb9aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADgot01ERH0D6qDJA6DL1sNECQ8CCEj9xkMCvgxecfqxtwb9aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4ECE334-B159-48C0-9DC5-F0D74D7BEE63@gmail.com>

Shawn Gundersen , contact at norsemanav.com

Regards,
Tom Adams, Director/Owner
www.ReelifeProductions.com
http://Folktography.zenfolio.com
? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ?
Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996
(From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707)

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Mackler via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> ?Hi,
> I?m considering moving my office to a new location, and one of the new places I?m considering is great, except for the acoustics. I?m looking for a sound engineer or expert to help me figure out how I might be able to add some acoustic panels to reduce the echo and make it sound more natural. 
> 
> In our increasingly Zoom-dependent professional world, we?re hoping we can make the new space work but want to consult an expert to be sure. Obviously a paid gig. Anyone know a local sound engineer with a couple free hours?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~
> Jeff Mackler
> MRW Connected / Rubberneck.Net / STEP Program of HCC
> c: 413.265.0900
> o: 413.282.8882
> f: 877.288.4328
> 
> "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Einstein
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Sat Jul 24 18:01:42 2021
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: Re: Php Help?
Message-ID: <20210724180142.AB4E02230BA@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

Posting for a friend:

Looking for a programmer who knows how to work with php and sql
data bases (also javascript, jquery).  Have a new web page that  
requires a paid
subscription (Paypal), registration, login and the storage/retrieval of data.

I had someone helping helping me (remotely), we got as far as the php login
portion then he had to quit.

Edward Hines
Wendell, MA
edward at hinesmusic.com



                                 


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From shel at principledprofit.com  Tue Jul 27 01:05:17 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:05:17 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Little HTML code issue
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh2iThRT=zdd_iqF8XwH-gOfR77Hi_VGREkjDSFNdk+xAA@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone help me figure out why https://FrugalFun.com
<https://frugalfun.com/>  isn't calling the outside frame and margins it's
supposed to? I edited some of the obsolete content, but now it's not
rendering properly and I don't see why when I look at the code. It's
supposed to look like this, minus stuff I got rid of like the bit about
translations and the job finder: FrugalFun.com - Have more fun, spend less
money (archive.org)
<https://web.archive.org/web/20210212000230/http://frugalfun.com/>

I saved the code before I played with the page, and will post it as the
first response in order not to accidentally mess up this post.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
________________________________________________
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poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
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Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Tue Jul 27 01:06:57 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:06:57 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Little HTML code issue
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1Xj7vLGFNnaCZoUT1VmUn1SfBbf10C0XgZPo-dbx2Ggw@mail.gmail.com>

As promised--here's the code that worked (although much of the info was
obsolete)--and when I got rid of the obsolete stuff, I also got rid of the
look it had before, which I'm trying to fix.



Top of Form

Line wrap

Bottom of Form

<!doctype html>

<html lang="en">

<head>

<!-- Required meta tags -->

<title>FrugalFun.com - Have more fun, spend less money</title>

<meta charset="utf-8">

<meta name="keywords" content="frugal, save money, help, advice, articles,
spend less, reduce expenses">

<meta name="description" content="Over 500 useful articles to help you
enjoy life more and learn to save money on the best things in
life...travel, romance, dining... everything from how to avoid scams to how
to have a $300 wedding to fabulous cheap vacations.">

<meta name="author" content="Shel Horowitz">

<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1,
shrink-to-fit=no">

<link rel="stylesheet" href="style.css <https://frugalfun.com/style.css>">

<!-- Bootstrap CSS -->

<link rel="stylesheet" href="
https://stackpath.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/4.1.3/css/bootstrap.min.css"
integrity="sha384-MCw98/SFnGE8fJT3GXwEOngsV7Zt27NXFoaoApmYm81iuXoPkFOJwJ8ERdknLPMO"
crossorigin="anonymous">

</head>

<body>

<div class="container border-all mt-2 mb-2">

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="logo">

<img class="w-100" src="frugalfun.png <https://frugalfun.com/frugalfun.png>"
alt="Frugal Fun">

</div>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-center">

<p><i style="font-size:16px;">Sorry, we've had to temporarily disable our
translation script

due to a malware problem. We hope to have it back soon, and in the
meanwhile, if you view this page in Chrome, Google will translate it for
you.</i></p>

</div>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>How Can We Help You Be More Frugal or Have More Fun?</h2>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#mindset">The Frugal
Mindset</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#inspirations">Frugal
Inspirations</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#environmentally">Environmentally/Ecologically
Frugal</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#finances">Finances,
Budgeting &amp; Credit</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#household">Reducing
Household Expenses</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#vehicles">Vehicles &amp;
Maintenance</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#homekeeping">Frugal
Homekeeping &amp; Gardening</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#crafts">Crafts &amp;
Home Decor</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#recipes">Recipes</a></li>


</ul>

</div>

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#business">Frugal in
Business</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#special">Special Events,
Holidays & Gifts</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#kids">Frugal Fun With
Kids</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#school">Frugal
Learning</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#healthy">Healthy
Frugality</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#travel">Frugal
Travel</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#advocacy">Consumer
Advocacy</a></li>

<li><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/frugal.html#business">Frugal
Romance</a></li>

</ul>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>280 Pages of Great Frugal Fun Advice, Instantly

in your Inbox, for Just US $8.50</h2>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-2">

<a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/pphtoc.html">

<img class="w-100" src="https://www.frugalfun.com/smallpennycover.gif"
align="left" hspace="10" border="0">

</a>

</div>

<div class="col-md-10">

<div class="">

<p>This acclaimed full-length e-book shows how to travel, dine out,
entertain, keep your kids busy, have fun with someone special, and shop far
more cheaply than you would have believed is possible.

Most people will save between $500 and $2000 every year with the tips in
this book.</p>

</div>

<p><a href="https://www.frugalfun.com/pphtoc.html">Learn
More</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

<a href="
https://www.frugalmarketing.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=71">Order
Now</a>

</p>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-2">

<h2>Search the Site: Find What You're Looking For</h2>

<p>Search the 1,500+ pages at FrugalFun.com and its sister domains </p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>Books from Shel Horowitz,

Award-Winning Author, Speaker, Consultant, Ethical Marketing Expert</h2>

<p>Click any book cover to get more details and ordering information.</p>

</div>

</div>

<div class="col-md-1">

</div>

<div class="col-md-2 mt-2">

<a href="pphtoc.html <https://frugalfun.com/pphtoc.html>">

<img class="w-100" src="smallpennycover.gif
<https://frugalfun.com/smallpennycover.gif>" border="0" alt="Penny Pinching
Hedonist" bordercolor="black">

</a>

</div>

<div class="col-md-2 mt-2">

<a href="https://www.guerrillamarketinggoesgreen.com/">

<img src="gmgg300.jpg <https://frugalfun.com/gmgg300.jpg>" height="150"
border="0" alt="Guerrilla Marketing Goes Green">

</a>

</div>

<div class="col-md-2 mt-2">

<a href="https://www.grassrootsmarketingforauthors.com/">

<img class="w-100" src="gmfapcover2.jpg
<https://frugalfun.com/gmfapcover2.jpg>" border="0" alt="Penny Pinching
Hedonist" bordercolor="black">

</a>

</div>

<div class="col-md-2 mt-2">

<a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/gm.shtml">

<img class="w-100" src="gm.gif <https://frugalfun.com/gm.gif>" border="0"
alt="Penny Pinching Hedonist" bordercolor="black">

</a>

</div>

<div class="col-md-2 mt-2">

<a href="https://www.business-ethics-pledge.org/">

<img class="w-100" src="ethicshandshake150.jpg
<https://frugalfun.com/ethicshandshake150.jpg>" border="0" alt="Penny
Pinching Hedonist" bordercolor="black">

</a>

</div>

</div>

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>More Information and Services from Shel Horowitz</h2>

<p style="font-size: 12px;">Note: Some of these links take you to our many
sister sites, such as

<a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com">FrugalMarketing.com</a> and

<a href="https://www.PainlessGreenBook.com
<https://www.painlessgreenbook.com/>">PainlessGreenBook.com</a></p>

</div>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>Find A Job With this Handy Widget</h2>

<p>Just put in your own keywords and location below to get job listings in
your field.</p>

</div>

<div id="zipsearch_container">

</div>

<script type="text/javascript" src="
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/jobs-widget/pro/v2/rn8z4jdxtqd2r7wdee6r5xkg2dqcnetq"></script>


<script>

var options = {

container : "zipsearch_container",

jobs_per_page : '10',

};

zipsearch.init(options);

</script>

</div>

<div class="col-md-12">

<div class="text-left mt-3">

<h2>Know anyone who needs a professional resume?</h2>

<p style="font-size: 12px;">If your friend lives in Western Massachusetts,
we offer

<a href="https://www.accuratewriting.com/wmass_resumes.shtml">affordable
professional resume writing while you wait. We </a>

<a href="https://www.accuratewriting.com/resumephilosophy.shtml">write
resumes for clients from elsewhere</a>

, too--but those take longer. A resume makes a great gift for people in
career transition or between jobs.

</p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class="row">

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<img class="w-100" src="magazines.jpg <https://frugalfun.com/magazines.jpg>"
alt="Magazines">

<li> <a href="frugal.html <https://frugalfun.com/frugal.html>">Frugal &
Fashionable Living Magazine</a></li>

<li> <a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/dtb.shtml">Down to
Business Magazine</a></li>

<li> <a href="travel.html <https://frugalfun.com/travel.html>">Global
Travel Review</a></li>

<li> <a href="review.html <https://frugalfun.com/review.html>">Global Arts
Review</a></li>

<li> <a href="peace.html <https://frugalfun.com/peace.html>">Peace &
Politics Magazine</a></li>

<li> <a href="https://www.principledprofit.com/ethics-articles.html">Ethics
Articles</a></li>

</ul>

</div>

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<img class="w-100" src="services.jpg <https://frugalfun.com/services.jpg>"
alt="Services">

<li> <a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/services.shtml">Copywriting &
Marketing Consulting</a></li>

<li> <a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/speeches.shtml">Presentations
to Your Group: Marketing, Book Publishing, Going Green, Writing,
Frugality...</a></li>

<li> <a href="frugality-consulting.html
<https://frugalfun.com/frugality-consulting.html>">Frugality, Frugal Fun,
and Going Frugally Green Consulting

</a></li>

<li> <a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/contactform.shtml">Contact
Shel Horowitz</a></li>

</ul>

</div>

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<img class="w-100" src="links.jpg <https://frugalfun.com/links.jpg>"
alt="Links">

<li> <a href="awards.html <https://frugalfun.com/awards.html>">FrugalFun.com's
Awards</a></li>

<li> <a href="recommend.html <https://frugalfun.com/recommend.html>">Links
to Products and Services We Recommend</a></li>

<li> <a href="linktous.shtml <https://frugalfun.com/linktous.shtml>">How to
Link to FrugalFun.com</a></li>

<li> <a href="othersites.html <https://frugalfun.com/othersites.html>">Sister
Sites: Frugal Marketing, Painless Green, Green And Practical, and
others</a></li>

</ul>

</div>

<div class="col-md-6">

<ul>

<img class="w-100" src="about.jpg <https://frugalfun.com/about.jpg>"
alt="About">

<li> <a href="frugalfundayideas.html
<https://frugalfun.com/frugalfundayideas.html>">International Frugal Fun
Day</a></li>

<li> <a href="pressroom.html <https://frugalfun.com/pressroom.html>">Press
Room</a></li>

<li> <a href="bios.html <https://frugalfun.com/bios.html>">Biographies of
Shel and Dina</a></li>

<li> <a href="faq.html <https://frugalfun.com/faq.html>">Frequently Asked
Questions</a></li>

<li> <a href="https://www.frugalmarketing.com/contactform.shtml">Contact
Shel Horowitz</a></li>

</ul>

</div>

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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 27 02:36:33 2021
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 22:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] *** Printer/publisher for small run ***
Message-ID: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Could someone recommend a printer/publisher for a small run of a specialty
book?

Current specs for initial quote:
1) Qty 100, 250, 500
2) Size 8 1/2" x 11"
3) Hardcover or soft cover
4) 50 or 100 pages
5) Full color
6) Matt or gloss coated stock
7) Ideally support a local business

Thanks,
Deb
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Tue Jul 27 12:24:05 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 08:24:05 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Little HTML code issue
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh2iThRT=zdd_iqF8XwH-gOfR77Hi_VGREkjDSFNdk+xAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh2iThRT=zdd_iqF8XwH-gOfR77Hi_VGREkjDSFNdk+xAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1T8cSvS4W8rP3Xpdit=UqM3feVvRhCY1q7=txGdT6LAA@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Noah Paessel, who found the code snippet I accidentally
dropped. All better, now.

I love this list!

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:05 PM Shel Horowitz <shel at principledprofit.com>
wrote:

> Can anyone help me figure out why https://FrugalFun.com
> <https://frugalfun.com/>  isn't calling the outside frame and margins
> it's supposed to? I edited some of the obsolete content, but now it's not
> rendering properly and I don't see why when I look at the code. It's
> supposed to look like this, minus stuff I got rid of like the bit about
> translations and the job finder: FrugalFun.com - Have more fun, spend
> less money (archive.org)
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20210212000230/http://frugalfun.com/>
>
> I saved the code before I played with the page, and will post it as the
> first response in order not to accidentally mess up this post.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
> ________________________________________________
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>
> Watch my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> _________________________________________________
>
>

-- 
Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
________________________________________________
Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

Watch my TEDx Talk,
"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
(move your mouse to "event videos")
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From greg at gregcaulton.com  Tue Jul 27 13:48:37 2021
From: greg at gregcaulton.com (Greg Caulton)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 09:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] *** Printer/publisher for small run ***
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <235BEF2A-7B35-4EAC-A16A-EE44066ADA32@gregcaulton.com>

I can recommend Tom Campbell (campbellt at kingprinting.com) at King Printing in Lowell, Deb.  

I?ve printed two textbooks with Tom. Very professional and economical.

I hope you?re doing well in these strange times --

Greg :-)=
______________________
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Creative Director, Patent Draftsman
www.gregcaulton.com
233 West Pelham Road
Shutesbury, MA 01072

Phone: 413-461-7096






> On Jul 26, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Could someone recommend a printer/publisher for a small run of a specialty book? 
> 
> Current specs for initial quote:
> 1) Qty 100, 250, 500
> 2) Size 8 1/2" x 11"
> 3) Hardcover or soft cover
> 4) 50 or 100 pages
> 5) Full color
> 6) Matt or gloss coated stock
> 7) Ideally support a local business
> 
> Thanks, 
> Deb 
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> 
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Tue Jul 27 15:09:47 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:09:47 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] *** Printer/publisher for small run ***
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46035cfa-40ba-22ac-9718-1425a2a31763@montaguewebworks.com>

You could try Highland Press in Athol.

  * https://highlandpress.biz/ <https://highlandpress.biz/>

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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On 7/26/2021 10:36 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Could someone recommend a printer/publisher for a small run of a 
> specialty book?
>
> Current specs for initial quote:
> 1) Qty 100, 250, 500
> 2) Size 8 1/2" x 11"
> 3) Hardcover or soft cover
> 4) 50 or 100 pages
> 5) Full color
> 6) Matt or gloss coated stock
> 7) Ideally support a local business
>
> Thanks,
> Deb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
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From sam at itabix.com  Tue Jul 27 15:36:08 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] *** Printer/publisher for small run ***
In-Reply-To: <46035cfa-40ba-22ac-9718-1425a2a31763@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <46035cfa-40ba-22ac-9718-1425a2a31763@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <014833c4-598a-4cb0-7dae-b822dd5ac5b3@itabix.com>

Also Fred and Trisha at Small Batch Books in Amherst
https://www.smallbatchbooks.com
we host them, they're good people.

Sam



*Sam McClellan*

**

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On 7/27/2021 11:09 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> You could try Highland Press in Athol.
>
>   * https://highlandpress.biz/ <https://highlandpress.biz/>
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
> 413-320-5336
> http://MontagueWebWorks.com
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
> On 7/26/2021 10:36 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Could someone recommend a printer/publisher for a small run of a 
>> specialty book?
>>
>> Current specs for initial quote:
>> 1) Qty 100, 250, 500
>> 2) Size 8 1/2" x 11"
>> 3) Hardcover or soft cover
>> 4) 50 or 100 pages
>> 5) Full color
>> 6) Matt or gloss coated stock
>> 7) Ideally support a local business
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Deb
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
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>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>
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From glp at gregperham.com  Tue Jul 27 15:38:58 2021
From: glp at gregperham.com (GLP)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Seeking a FileMaker consultant
Message-ID: <73D86416-AA6A-48A3-BF61-0283D43E5232@gregperham.com>

I sent an email to someone on the HT directory, but it bounced back. I thought before I do that again, I'd just put a message out to the active list. :)

I'm working with a community television organization. They are similar to my local Northampton Open Media, but several times the size, and using FileMaker to manage everything. They are unhappy with their platform, and they want to fix it or ditch it. I'm looking for a FM pro to consult with them on assessment, and then to make and implement a plan if they decide to overhaul it.

Thanks!
Greg

From shel at principledprofit.com  Tue Jul 27 17:16:02 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:16:02 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] *** Printer/publisher for small run ***
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wosH3Qc1TC4txbK3erQezVa9Z6qG7nY-6AiZsDaoF9pqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh0v1jjmZ40rSqynWQVb9daCD3Y1TMPMTnWxiiX9LiRVEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Deborah,

To some degree, what printers you work with depends on how you'll be using
the print run. In any case, with print runs that low, you'll be using
digital printing--the books are generated one at a time through a process
resembling photocopying but from digital instead of paper originals.
Especially with a color interior, offset will not be viable.

Keep in mind that you are not tied to one printer for all purposes. So, for
instance, you might want to fulfill bookstore orders through Ingram
Spark (formerly called LightningSource), Amazon and Kindle orders through
Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP, f/k/a CreateSpace), and one of the local
printers you've been recommended for other purposes such as
back-of-the-room-after-a-talk sales--or for doing customized editions your
customers/marketing partners can give or sell through their own networks
(with language like "A Gift From XYZ Bank of New England").

I haven't done any printing with King but I can say that Tom Campbell is
very customer-centric. I don't know Highland or Small Batch--but from their
website, Small Batch looks like more of a publishing service than a
printer. If you want to go out-of-area, I've been very pleased with
Thomson-Shore in Michigan. And you should at least get a quote from
Levellers Press in Amherst/Florence (inside Collective Copies). For runs
this small, they might actually be competitive and they are easy to work
with.

It is nice to be able to expound on something here ;-). Usually, I'm asking
for help, but I have 16 years experience as a book shepherd.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 10:36 PM Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Could someone recommend a printer/publisher for a small run of a specialty
> book?
>
> Current specs for initial quote:
> 1) Qty 100, 250, 500
> 2) Size 8 1/2" x 11"
> 3) Hardcover or soft cover
> 4) 50 or 100 pages
> 5) Full color
> 6) Matt or gloss coated stock
> 7) Ideally support a local business
>
> Thanks,
> Deb
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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>


-- 
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________________________________________________
Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

Watch my TEDx Talk,
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Tue Jul 27 19:02:36 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:02:36 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu, header,
 footer, and sidebar files?
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>

A follow-up question to my post yesterday, now that I got the landing page
working properly. I am revising some of the obsolete inner pages, such
as Shel's
Other Books and Sites (frugalfun.com)
<https://frugalfun.com/othersites.html>, and I notice these files are not
pulling most of the page design elements, other than the green sidebar--but
not the text that goes into the sidebar.

At the end of the <head> section, it calls the CSS:

<meta HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="robots" content="all">
<meta name="copyright" content="Copyright (c) 1997-2021 by Shel Horowitz.
All Rights Reserved.">


<link REL="StyleSheet" TYPE="text/css" HREF="ffstyle.css">

<script SRC="menu.js"></script>

<script language="JavaScript">

function goThere() {

 newUrl =
document.ChooseLink.LinkList.options[document.ChooseLink.LinkList.selectedIndex].value

 window.location = newUrl

}

</script>

</head>
<body>


And then at the bottom, it calls the specific elements--but the file
doesn't display them:

</p>
<!-- -------------------------------------- -->
<!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
</td>
<td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040" cellpadding="5">
<!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="100%">
<!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
-- 
What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks,

Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
________________________________________________
Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

Watch my TEDx Talk,
"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
(move your mouse to "event videos")
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Tue Jul 27 19:43:33 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99de715f-200b-d250-0238-5fcf69119351@montaguewebworks.com>

If I recall correctly, a plain html file will not do any includes, as 
that requires some smarts. I believe shtml will respond to #include.

If this is a php page, use <?php include 'footer.php';?>

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 7/27/2021 3:02 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> A follow-up question to my post yesterday, now that I got the landing 
> page working properly. I am revising some of the obsolete inner pages, 
> such as Shel's Other Books and Sites (frugalfun.com) 
> <https://frugalfun.com/othersites.html>, and I notice these files are 
> not pulling most of the page design elements, other than the green 
> sidebar--but not the text that goes into the sidebar.
>
> At the end of the <head> section, it calls the CSS:
>
> <meta HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
> <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> <meta name="robots" content="all">
> <meta name="copyright" content="Copyright (c) 1997-2021 by Shel 
> Horowitz. All Rights Reserved.">
>
>
> <link REL="StyleSheet" TYPE="text/css" HREF="ffstyle.css">
>
> <script SRC="menu.js"></script>
>
> <script language="JavaScript">
>
> function goThere() {
>
> ?newUrl =
> document.ChooseLink.LinkList.options[document.ChooseLink.LinkList.selectedIndex].value
>
> ?window.location = newUrl
>
> }
>
> </script>
>
> </head>
> <body>
>
>
> And then at the bottom, it calls the specific elements--but the file 
> doesn't display them:
>
> </p>
> <!-- -------------------------------------- -->
> <!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
> </td>
> <td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040" 
> cellpadding="5">
> <!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td colspan="100%">
> <!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </body>
> </html>
> -- 
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
> ________________________________________________
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com 
> <http://goingbeyondsustainability.com>
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 
> <mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com> 413-586-2388
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>
> Watch my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 
> <http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Tue Jul 27 20:09:45 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>

Shel
you are reworking a CMS does - you probably should at least be using PHP 
pages not simple html

That code requires at least .shtml files that support the #include in 
your example
Not knowing if your server even supports .shtml files any more -- if not 
- most support .php now

On 7/27/2021 3:02 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> <!-- -------------------------------------- -->
> <!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
> </td>
> <td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040" 
> cellpadding="5">
> <!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td colspan="100%">
> <!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </body>
> </html>
> -- 
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
-- 
Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
And for Arts and relaxation:
http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck
    http://www.welovemuseums.com
    http://www.artonmytv.com/
Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/
Helping move the world:             http://www.earththrives.com

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From shel at principledprofit.com  Wed Jul 28 14:10:17 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 10:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh2qfk16XoxU1ffZwUM_=cs2uh9FNxSCZQ6rGe8hNL+FvA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Rich and Mik.

I noticed that other pages on the site have the same problem, which means I
messed something up when I was fixing the home page. Just to make sure, I
went back to an Archive.org snapshot and clicked through to two of the
articles, including
https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html>.
The sidebar menu was in place--which means there is no technical reason why
a plain old html page can't get the menu in the sidebar. But when I go in
directly to https://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html, the sidebar is
blank.

Php is way out of my depth. But that it's pandemic throughout the site
means it's probably just a simple tweak of the home page code for someone
who knows what they're doing--probably reinserting something I took out
that I shouldn't have. I did save a copy of the code before I started
messing around with it. And that the problem is not showing on the archived
copy means that it *is* fixable in html.

I did send the raw code for the home page Monday, subject line "Re: Little
HTML code issue" (it's the first response to my original post). If anyone
wants to take a look, I'm grateful, as always.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 4:09 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Shel
> you are reworking a CMS does - you probably should at least be using PHP
> pages not simple html
>
> That code requires at least .shtml files that support the #include in your
> example
> Not knowing if your server even supports .shtml files any more -- if not -
> most support .php now
> On 7/27/2021 3:02 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> <!-- -------------------------------------- -->
> <!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
> </td>
> <td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040" cellpadding="5">
> <!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td colspan="100%">
> <!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </body>
> </html>
> --
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> --
> Rich Roth
> CEO TnR Global
>
> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
> Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
> Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
> And for Arts and relaxation:http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck
>    http://www.welovemuseums.com
>    http://www.artonmytv.com/
> Shakers: http://www.shakerpedia.com/
> Helping move the world:             http://www.earththrives.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>


-- 
Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
________________________________________________
Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

Watch my TEDx Talk,
"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
(move your mouse to "event videos")
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Wed Jul 28 14:41:48 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 10:41:48 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh2qfk16XoxU1ffZwUM_=cs2uh9FNxSCZQ6rGe8hNL+FvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>
 <CADG-Mh2qfk16XoxU1ffZwUM_=cs2uh9FNxSCZQ6rGe8hNL+FvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ac32b37-32c8-1bc4-f809-7214af0bbea6@montaguewebworks.com>

Is this on the same server as before? As I recall, you could set up ssi 
(server side includes) functionality to also respond to regular html files.

Here's an article I found.

  * https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34651889/whats-the-difference-between-html-and-shtml-now
    <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34651889/whats-the-difference-between-html-and-shtml-now>

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 7/28/2021 10:10 AM, Shel Horowitz wrote:
> Thanks, Rich and Mik.
>
> I noticed that other pages on the site have the same problem, which 
> means I messed something up when I was fixing the home page. Just to 
> make sure, I went back to an Archive.org snapshot and 
> clicked?through?to two of the articles, including 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html 
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html>. 
> The sidebar menu was in place--which means there is no technical 
> reason why a plain old html page can't get the menu in the sidebar. 
> But when I go in directly to 
> https://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html 
> <https://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html>, the sidebar is blank.
>
> Php is way out of my depth. But that it's pandemic throughout the site 
> means it's probably?just a simple tweak of the home page code for 
> someone who knows what they're doing--probably reinserting something I 
> took out that I shouldn't have. I did save a copy of the code before I 
> started messing around with it. And that?the problem is not showing on 
> the archived copy means that it *is* fixable in html.
>
> I did send the raw code for the home page Monday, subject line "Re: 
> Little HTML code issue" (it's the first response to my original post). 
> If anyone wants to take a?look, I'm grateful, as always.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 4:09 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>
>     Shel
>     you are reworking a CMS does - you probably should at least be
>     using PHP pages not simple html
>
>     That code requires at least .shtml files that support the #include
>     in your example
>     Not knowing if your server even supports .shtml files any more --
>     if not - most support .php now
>
>     On 7/27/2021 3:02 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>     <!-- -------------------------------------- -->
>>     <!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
>>     </td>
>>     <td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040"
>>     cellpadding="5">
>>     <!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
>>     </td>
>>     </tr>
>>     <tr>
>>     <td colspan="100%">
>>     <!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
>>     </td>
>>     </tr>
>>     </table>
>>     </body>
>>     </html>
>>     -- 
>>     What am I doing wrong?
>>
>>     Many thanks,
>>
>>
>     -- 
>     Rich Roth
>     CEO TnR Global
>
>     Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com  <http://rizbang.com>
>     Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com  <http://www.tnrglobal.com>
>     Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net  <http://www.hidden-tech.net>
>     Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com  <http://www.meetmewhere.com>
>     And for Arts and relaxation:
>     http://TarotMuertos.com  <http://TarotMuertos.com>  - Artistic Tarot Deck
>         http://www.welovemuseums.com  <http://www.welovemuseums.com>
>         http://www.artonmytv.com/  <http://www.artonmytv.com/>
>     Shakers:http://www.shakerpedia.com/  <http://www.shakerpedia.com/>
>     Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com  <http://www.earththrives.com>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:
>     http://www.hidden-tech.net <http://www.hidden-tech.net>
>     Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>     <mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
>
>     You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech
>     Discussion list.
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>     page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>     http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>     <http://www.hidden-tech.net/members>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
> ________________________________________________
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com 
> <http://goingbeyondsustainability.com>
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 
> <mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com> 413-586-2388
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>
> Watch my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 
> <http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> _________________________________________________
>
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Wed Jul 28 15:14:30 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <4ac32b37-32c8-1bc4-f809-7214af0bbea6@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>
 <CADG-Mh2qfk16XoxU1ffZwUM_=cs2uh9FNxSCZQ6rGe8hNL+FvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ac32b37-32c8-1bc4-f809-7214af0bbea6@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh0NfBTWSgRYHjFDPaUUDOG26hqKFYhpNrP0s==GH5Q=OQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Yes, same server. I tried pasting the code snippet you found after the
lang="en"> sequence, but nothing changed. Then I tried adding an angle
bracket in front, which autogenerated an <Add Type> command, and closed it
at the end of the snippet. Nothing changed with that, either.

Where is it supposed to go, and how should it be formatted?

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
wrote:

> Is this on the same server as before? As I recall, you could set up ssi
> (server side includes) functionality to also respond to regular html files.
>
> Here's an article I found.
>
>    -
>    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34651889/whats-the-difference-between-html-and-shtml-now
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 7/28/2021 10:10 AM, Shel Horowitz wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rich and Mik.
>
> I noticed that other pages on the site have the same problem, which means
> I messed something up when I was fixing the home page. Just to make sure, I
> went back to an Archive.org snapshot and clicked through to two of the
> articles, including https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20160324165141/http://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html>.
> The sidebar menu was in place--which means there is no technical reason why
> a plain old html page can't get the menu in the sidebar. But when I go in
> directly to https://frugalfun.com/greener-holiday.html, the sidebar is
> blank.
>
> Php is way out of my depth. But that it's pandemic throughout the site
> means it's probably just a simple tweak of the home page code for someone
> who knows what they're doing--probably reinserting something I took out
> that I shouldn't have. I did save a copy of the code before I started
> messing around with it. And that the problem is not showing on the archived
> copy means that it *is* fixable in html.
>
> I did send the raw code for the home page Monday, subject line "Re:
> Little HTML code issue" (it's the first response to my original post). If
> anyone wants to take a look, I'm grateful, as always.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 4:09 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Shel
>> you are reworking a CMS does - you probably should at least be using PHP
>> pages not simple html
>>
>> That code requires at least .shtml files that support the #include in
>> your example
>> Not knowing if your server even supports .shtml files any more -- if not
>> - most support .php now
>> On 7/27/2021 3:02 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> <!-- -------------------------------------- -->
>> <!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
>> </td>
>> <td width="120" length="100%" valign=top bgcolor="#60a040"
>> cellpadding="5">
>> <!--#include file="sidebar.txt" -->
>> </td>
>> </tr>
>> <tr>
>> <td colspan="100%">
>> <!--#include file="footer.txt" -->
>> </td>
>> </tr>
>> </table>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>> --
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Roth
>> CEO TnR Global
>>
>> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
>> Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
>> Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
>> And for Arts and relaxation:http://TarotMuertos.com - Artistic Tarot Deck
>>    http://www.welovemuseums.com
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Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Wed Jul 28 16:13:05 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:13:05 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How can I get this HTML to pull in the menu,
 header, footer, and sidebar files?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh0NfBTWSgRYHjFDPaUUDOG26hqKFYhpNrP0s==GH5Q=OQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh1yodMeLnULEda1rcqd53qAhP1qMbNnq=ra+-SSY91zdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <6cbd5fb5-0ca9-93af-0302-35c2a356632f@tnrglobal.com>
 <CADG-Mh2qfk16XoxU1ffZwUM_=cs2uh9FNxSCZQ6rGe8hNL+FvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ac32b37-32c8-1bc4-f809-7214af0bbea6@montaguewebworks.com>
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Since this was all working code and you were using .html files,
I'd point at Mik's reference to server setting

AND check if your hosting co has done an upgrade recently
And, if not,? talk to their support - since it sounds like the 
ssi/#include function
is no longer working when it used to.

Also you mis-took my PHP comment - you don't need to know any thing 
special to use PHP
in this case - all you need to do it change the

<!--#include file="menu.shtml" -->
to
<?php require "menu.shtml" ?>

And activate PHP on both .html and .shtml files


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From alan at 8wheels.org  Thu Jul 29 11:43:27 2021
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 07:43:27 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
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References: <c277ce213e2831fc26668dd22ebd4412@8wheels.org>
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Ben,

Unfortunately, that FAQ was pre-release.  The current documentation 
(https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows/quick-start/enable-hyper-v) 
says "The Hyper-V role cannot be installed on Windows 10 Home."

I will revert to WSL1 and see if I can run with that.

Thanks,

Alan




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
Date: 08.07.2021 14:20
 From: Ben <zamboli at gmail.com>
To: Alan Frank <alan at 8wheels.org>

Hi Alan,

I have limited experience running WSL and WSL2, but on a Windows Pro
edition.

According to this FAQ, you should be able to run WSL2 on Windows Home
edition. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/wsl2-faq

You may need to enable virtualization in your computer's BIOS menu on
start-up.

You can also just try using the WSL1 which does not use Hyper-V to the
best of my knowledge, but WSL2 will be faster for many operations.

  Let me know if you make progress. I've been meaning to play around
with Docker myself.

Good luck,

Ben Lazan

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:53 PM Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss
<hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I am trying to install Docker on Windows 10.  This requires first
> installing Linux.  I've done that; Fedora in particular because the
> production server for the project I'm hoping to work on uses it.
> 
> However, having done that, when I try to start it, Linux will not
> run
> because I don't have
> Hyper-V enabled, which I can't because I have Windows 10 Home.
> Before
> I pay $35 to the Evil Empire to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, I want to
> confirm that it's necessary and I'm not going down the wrong rabbit
> hole.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with this configuration.
> 
> --Alan
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From alan at 8wheels.org  Thu Jul 29 11:56:52 2021
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 07:56:52 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Installing Linux --> Docker on Win10
In-Reply-To: <60ba33d7-29a8-488d-2ea5-0a98066cd9f7@deltafactory.com>
References: <ee21ae9b-207d-1d64-ff57-5405e11e01b1@otherrealm.org>
 <60ba33d7-29a8-488d-2ea5-0a98066cd9f7@deltafactory.com>
Message-ID: <ba1290005d633dfbf3971e99d5566241@8wheels.org>

I tracked down (with difficulty) the way to revert to WSL1 
(https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/WSL/issues/590):

wsl --set-default-version 1

After executing this, I was able to run Fedora.

I appreciate some of the other suggestions, and they might have been 
theoretically better, but given that I felt I was most of the way there, 
I didn't want to start over with something new.

Thanks to all,

Alan