From bklee at azurelink.com  Wed Dec  1 15:23:28 2021
From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 10:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Air help needed re: Issues with updating
 MacAir
In-Reply-To: <0100017d72e3cc84-ce614034-17c7-4fc4-b57c-0d643dae1662-000000@email.amazonses.com>
References: <0100017d72e3cc84-ce614034-17c7-4fc4-b57c-0d643dae1662-000000@email.amazonses.com>
Message-ID: <036753E7-32BB-4973-B868-CB15437F1D97@azurelink.com>

Hi Gary,

I recently upgraded an Early 2014 11? MacBook Air from Yosemite to Big Sur for my significant other. The initial problem was that there wasn?t enough space on the drive to accommodate the 35 GB Big Sur OS plus the extra 10% minimum free space required. 

I?d imagine that you wouldn?t have gotten as far as you did without getting a message saying there isn?t enough free space on the drive to install the OS. So maybe space isn?t your issue?

Anyway, for what?s it?s worth, because of the space issue, I purchased an 1.0TB Aura Pro X2 SSD Upgrade (Blade Only) for Select 2013 & Later Macs
$229.00
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/S3DAPT4MB10/ 

I downloaded and created a bootable installer on an USB thumb drive with High Sierra on it. (I actually made two USB Installers, one with High Sierra, and the second with Big Sur on it).

HOW TO CREATE A BOOTABLE INSTALLER FOR MAC OS:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372

I took a Time Machine backup to an external drive.

I installed the new SSD drive into the Air and booted from the USB installer and installed the OS that way. I?m pretty sure I ended up installing High Sierra first and then upgraded to Big Sur. For some reason I vaguely recall that Big Sur wouldn?t install. Not clear on that. Anyway, you can always reformat using the utilities on the USB boot drive and try installing again.

Then I transferred the files from the Time Machine backup to the new drive. 

Seems to me that if you have the space, you could reformat your current SSD and do the same process ? assuming you took the Time Machine backup first.

Hope this helps somehow. Good luck.

Best,
Kimo

PS: The Air runs awesome now on Big Sur.



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On Nov 30, 2021, at 5:07 PM, bluemoon--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I am trying to help my son with updating his computer. I have spent many, many hours working with Apple support and for some reason his MacBook Air, circa 2014, running Yosemite, simply will not accept an OS update. I've figured out all kinds of things to try. I've tried going back to El Capitan all the way up to Big Sur. The versions prior to High Sierra (El Capitan and Sierra) have directly downloadable DMGs which I have downloaded AND attempted to install both. I follow the steps and it gives me the message that it was successfully installed but it actually isn't.
> 
> I've gone to the Apple store and attempted to download High Sierra and others and get an error message telling me the service is not available and to try again later after clicking on "Get."
> 
> I've done internet recovery two or three times and various other things accessed through various reboot options, i.e. option command r for internet recovery mode, Shift for safe mode, command r, etc. including Disk Repair, reinstall OS, and none of them work to resolve the issue. I've tried reinstalling Yosemite and that isn't working either because it is already installed.
> 
> Apple Support says it needs to go to Apple store for possible hardware issue which I suspect will cost more than it's worth both for such an old machine or than he might be able to get a replacement used one for, which he already can't afford.
> 
> Anyone else ever run into this and have any suggestions? It's frustrating as all heck!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> Posted on Nov 30, 2021 9:39 AM
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From bklee at azurelink.com  Wed Dec  1 15:28:24 2021
From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 10:28:24 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Air help needed re: Issues with updating
 MacAir
In-Reply-To: <0100017d72e3cc84-ce614034-17c7-4fc4-b57c-0d643dae1662-000000@email.amazonses.com>
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Message-ID: <DCD98CE2-716A-46BA-BE1E-E0F8C12A6E15@azurelink.com>

Hi Gary,

I forgot to mention that you may have to upgrade any 32 bit apps installed on the Air as they won?t run on any version of Mac OS above Mojave.

https://www.macworld.com/article/232735/how-to-check-if-mac-software-is-32-or-64-bit.html

Best,
Kimo


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On Nov 30, 2021, at 5:07 PM, bluemoon--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I am trying to help my son with updating his computer. I have spent many, many hours working with Apple support and for some reason his MacBook Air, circa 2014, running Yosemite, simply will not accept an OS update. I've figured out all kinds of things to try. I've tried going back to El Capitan all the way up to Big Sur. The versions prior to High Sierra (El Capitan and Sierra) have directly downloadable DMGs which I have downloaded AND attempted to install both. I follow the steps and it gives me the message that it was successfully installed but it actually isn't.
> 
> I've gone to the Apple store and attempted to download High Sierra and others and get an error message telling me the service is not available and to try again later after clicking on "Get."
> 
> I've done internet recovery two or three times and various other things accessed through various reboot options, i.e. option command r for internet recovery mode, Shift for safe mode, command r, etc. including Disk Repair, reinstall OS, and none of them work to resolve the issue. I've tried reinstalling Yosemite and that isn't working either because it is already installed.
> 
> Apple Support says it needs to go to Apple store for possible hardware issue which I suspect will cost more than it's worth both for such an old machine or than he might be able to get a replacement used one for, which he already can't afford.
> 
> Anyone else ever run into this and have any suggestions? It's frustrating as all heck!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> Posted on Nov 30, 2021 9:39 AM
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From bmoreinis at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 14:16:31 2021
From: bmoreinis at gmail.com (Bram Moreinis)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 09:16:31 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Chrome extension coder needed for small school
 project ($2, 000)
Message-ID: <734164f4-f7f6-39c1-b85d-66c54d3117e7@gmail.com>

Hi Folks.

*TL;DR: * Short term JS / JQuery coder with recent Chrome Extension 
experience needed to update project. $2K. RSVP by 12/9?

*Background: *10 teams across the country were picked to finish new or 
upgraded educational projects that teach students Digital Literacy, a 
national priority.? My team project, Fake News Fitness 
<https://fakenewsfitness.org>,? teaches students a bit about the 
informational ecosystem on the web to help recognize misinformation 
before spreading it, and even argue people off believing it.

Trump's election was the impetus, and the way social media and 
misinformation have joined forces since to affect public health (mask 
and vaccine refusal), democracy ("Stop the Steal" claims) and the planet 
(PR by fossil fuel companies) makes this an every more urgent priority 
for our public schools to address. I hope the mission is of interest to 
everyone on Hidden-Tech.

*Task: *The core tech is a Chrome extension that pops up a form to 
authenticate a user, pulls data from whatever web page is active, 
populates a the form with it, takes user entered data, and sends the 
data via JSON/REST, creating a document. We used to use Drupal, but now 
just want a Google Doc created.

The extension stopped working a few years ago (changes to Chrome API / 
Manifest, plus a WHOIS archive change) after our coder moved to CA. Our 
new coder's new baby is in the way of us making any progress on some 
small but critical updates.

I need someone signed up by December 9th. We have a $2,000 budget, which 
isn't much but there's not much to do here, by my lights. Here's how it 
worked 3 years ago: 
https://myinstructionaldesigns.com/eportfolio/fake-news-fitness

We're making it simpler now.

 1. *Phase 1:* No authentication.? On submit, display the extracted +
    submitted data for copy-paste into a Google Doc.
 2. *Phase 2:* Authenticate as a Google user, and populate a Google Doc
    with the extracted + submitted form data.

*Reference:*

Here's the plugin page: 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fakenewsfitness-plugin/dcpelmidnpihijnggaoiphdhcmcgpfoj?hl=en

Here's the repo: https://github.com/bmoreinis/fakenews

Please reply if you can help with this?? I can do enough HTML/CSS/JS to 
add fields, make the form cleaner, optimize the code -- I just don't 
know enough about the Chrome API to get it working again.

Thanks,

Bram

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From yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  4 20:31:36 2021
From: yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com (Marcia Yudkin)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Need someone to do one hour of research at Forbes
 Library for me.
In-Reply-To: <734164f4-f7f6-39c1-b85d-66c54d3117e7@gmail.com>
References: <734164f4-f7f6-39c1-b85d-66c54d3117e7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <162581832.2853881.1638649896831@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi everyone,

If you've ever used a microfilm machine in the library, would you be willing to do approximately one hour of research on it at Forbes Library for me, for $25?

I went there today to do this research, but microfilm machines give me motion sickness (literally), and I couldn't do it for more than 5 minutes. 

I'm trying to find something that appeared in the Daily Hampshire Gazette in the 1980s, and I know the specific month and year for it. So the task is pretty simple: Find the microfilm roll for that month and year and scroll through all the issues until you find what I'm looking for, then print out a copy of the relevant article(s). Any time within the next 2 weeks would be fine.

That month and year's issues were never digitized, in case you are wondering.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Marcia Yudkin
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From abby at revitupreading.com  Sun Dec  5 19:24:14 2021
From: abby at revitupreading.com (Abby Marks Beale)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for a Director of Online Reputation
Message-ID: <006601d7ea0d$b0d459a0$127d0ce0$@RevItUpReading.com>

Looking for a Director of Online Reputation
As a dual profession entrepreneur, I am looking for someone to work
part-time (either a set number of hours per month or on an as-needed basis)
as a proactive web assistant who can help me maximize the websites online
appearance, functionality and user experience. Ideally, you:
*	know and can manipulate the backend of Wordpress websites (Divi)
*	understand and use WooCommerce 
*	understand and use Active Campaign
*	have familiarity with affiliate programs and how to maximize them
*	have familiarity with Authorize.net
*	have some experience with learning management systems
*	can assist with some SEO adjustments to boost search rankings
*	are technologically savvy and curious to learn new things as
required
*	have good communication skills, manage your time well and have a
positive outlook
Please send me an email with your qualifications (even if don't have all of
the above) and interest in this so we can set up a talk time. Looking to
start officially sometime in mid-to-end of January with some short training
sessions before then.
 
Thank you for sharing this with anyone you think would have interest.
 
Abby Marks Beale
 
 

Abby Marks Beale
Creator of The Rev It Up Reading Online Course
Speed Reading and Productivity Expert
Author, Speaker and Podcaster
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rev It Up Reading
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Wallingford, CT USA 06492 
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 <http://www.revitupreading.com/> www.RevItUpReading.com
 
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Mon Dec  6 03:09:28 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How does one protect the phone number and identity
 when outbound calling?
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh3HFQNOkcjGYDVidScqmK3atBLurvio4ygMdRV=qs-XVw@mail.gmail.com>

Asking on behalf of a social change organization that is helping migrants
and does not want to be traced by vindictive and violent drug cartels. I
know I have used bulk-texting apps where I was using my computer to call
and not showing up identifiably on call ID.

Does anyone know if there's a way to make free international calls to a
mobile phone with an invisible number (either via Whats App, or some other
phone app or phone/text banking service). The calls are being requested by
the recipients (this is not a spam thing) but it's important for
their safety that they not be traceable to others. Please advise.

-- 
Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
________________________________________________
Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

Watch my TEDx Talk,
"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
(move your mouse to "event videos")
_________________________________________________

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From sam at itabix.com  Mon Dec  6 15:48:14 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How does one protect the phone number and
 identity when outbound calling?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh3HFQNOkcjGYDVidScqmK3atBLurvio4ygMdRV=qs-XVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh3HFQNOkcjGYDVidScqmK3atBLurvio4ygMdRV=qs-XVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a1ab7dc-d34d-4557-a1ac-b05f8271dca0@itabix.com>

Hi Shel,

You should be able to just dial *67 before the call, but here's an article

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3138344001

Sam

?

Sam McClellan
Itabix Inc
one place for all things web
sam at itabix.com 
https://itabix.com
Main: 413.587.4600
Toll-free 877-ITABIX (877-748-2249)?

On Dec 6, 2021, 10:36 AM, at 10:36 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>Asking on behalf of a social change organization that is helping
>migrants
>and does not want to be traced by vindictive and violent drug cartels.
>I
>know I have used bulk-texting apps where I was using my computer to
>call
>and not showing up identifiably on call ID.
>
>Does anyone know if there's a way to make free international calls to a
>mobile phone with an invisible number (either via Whats App, or some
>other
>phone app or phone/text banking service). The calls are being requested
>by
>the recipients (this is not a spam thing) but it's important for
>their safety that they not be traceable to others. Please advise.
>
>-- 
>Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
>________________________________________________
>Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
>poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
>* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
>* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
>* Certified speaker: International Platform Association
>http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
>mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
>Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
>Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
>(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>
>Watch my TEDx Talk,
>"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
>http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
>(move your mouse to "event videos")
>_________________________________________________
>
>?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Mon Dec  6 16:25:48 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:25:48 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How does one protect the phone number and
 identity when outbound calling?
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh3HFQNOkcjGYDVidScqmK3atBLurvio4ygMdRV=qs-XVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh3HFQNOkcjGYDVidScqmK3atBLurvio4ygMdRV=qs-XVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3356252a-5556-1dbd-9161-fb99f2d63094@montaguewebworks.com>

https://www.google.com/search?q=hide+outbound+caller+id 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=hide+outbound+caller+id>

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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On 12/5/2021 10:09 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Asking on behalf of a social change organization that is helping 
> migrants and does not want to be traced by vindictive and violent drug 
> cartels. I know I have used bulk-texting apps where I was using my 
> computer to call and not showing up identifiably on call ID.
>
> Does anyone know if there's a way to make free international calls to 
> a mobile phone with an invisible number (either via Whats?App, or some 
> other phone app or phone/text banking service). The calls are being 
> requested by the recipients (this is not a spam thing) but it's 
> important for their?safety that they not be traceable to others. 
> Please advise.
>
> -- 
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
> ________________________________________________
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>
> Watch my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> _________________________________________________
>
> ?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From duane.dale at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 16:32:22 2021
From: duane.dale at gmail.com (Duane Dale)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
Message-ID: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>

Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.

My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its
YouTube channel.
Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups show
up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)

An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi
to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of
the church).

Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an
otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.

As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6
to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small
mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.


*But here's my question: *Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain
bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?
Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of
those are on, with WiFi enabled,
and some % of *those* have used the WiFi modem/router in question and have
stored its password.
Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.

Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the
service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official"
streaming iPhone,
but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected
"automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive
tasks, unattended.

With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups
in a live video upload?
(Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger
hall? Or some even-larger number?)

If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one
-- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?

Thanks for any insights and advice.
Duane Dale
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From dstevens at tryandfindit.com  Mon Dec  6 17:28:33 2021
From: dstevens at tryandfindit.com (Donald M Stevens)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLAPR05MB73612B9F194329AD821C445DB16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Good morning Duane

1. Have you tested on an off day when little to no one is there using the wifi?

2. Which internet service are you using?

3. What device actually provides the wifi?

4. I use the wired wifi extender setup whenever possible back to your main wifi device.

5. Have you considered turning off guest access during video presentations?

There's more,

But to answer your questions
Yes. Brick or block walls, distance, the amount of users. Etc... Will all contribute to bandwidth usage

Don


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________________________________
From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:32:22 AM
To: Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?

Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.

My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its YouTube channel.
Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)

An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of the church).

Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.

As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6 to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.

But here's my question:
Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?
Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of those are on, with WiFi enabled,
and some % of those have used the WiFi modem/router in question and have stored its password.
Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.

Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official" streaming iPhone,
but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive tasks, unattended.

With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups in a live video upload?
(Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger hall? Or some even-larger number?)

If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?

Thanks for any insights and advice.
Duane Dale


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From the at otherrealm.org  Mon Dec  6 18:12:58 2021
From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 13:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b36a3e89-e796-3b74-559b-2c7b9c858890@otherrealm.org>

Those things certainly could affect the quality.? Even a few people 
using a standard connection can do it ? when the three people at my 
house are all online, everything takes longer.? If someone at the church 
is tech savvy and the router will permit, they could probably set up a 
dedicated network for the stream that has priority over everything 
else.? I think, although I could be wrong, that most Netgear brand 
routers have that ability, but you definitely need to know what you're 
doing.? Connecting via Ethernet cable will help to a certain extent, but 
if you are streaming out to rest of the world, the bottle neck is the 
cable modem and your internet provider.

Aaron E-J
The Other Realm
http://otherrealm.org
http://theotherrealm.org  (Blog)

On 2021-12-06 11:32 AM, Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.
>
> My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via 
> its YouTube channel.
> Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups 
> show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)
>
> An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by 
> WiFi to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone 
> walls of the church).
>
> Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an 
> otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.
>
> As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with 
> CAT6 to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for 
> small mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday 
> services.
>
> *But here's my question:
> *Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth and/or slow 
> transmission speeds?
> Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
> Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % 
> of those are on, with WiFi enabled,
> and some % of /those/ have used the WiFi modem/router in question and 
> have stored its password.
> Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.
>
> Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the 
> service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the 
> "official" streaming iPhone,
> but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected 
> "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive 
> tasks, unattended.
>
> With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause 
> hiccups in a live video upload?
> (Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a 
> larger hall? Or some even-larger number?)
>
> If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious 
> one -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
> Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice.
> Duane Dale
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From leviable at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 18:47:06 2021
From: leviable at gmail.com (Levi Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 13:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJFY24SutR_LW3gtnnnAsSSc3gV8OPb=9-yDWZg1r_s87yk_7Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's not implausible.  Most smart devices will consume some level of
bandwidth and there's only so much to go around.

Additionally, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the typical "consumer" WiFi
router has issues that crop up after a certain number of devices are
connected.  At some point, it may make sense to use a WiFi router designed
for a public-use environment.  I purchased an Aruba AP22 (employee
discount, though I see that it's now retailing similarly to what I paid)
before I was laid off from HPE last year and it's worked well for me
(though not in a public environment).

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.
>
> My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its
> YouTube channel.
> Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups
> show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)
>
> An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi
> to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of
> the church).
>
> Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an
> otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.
>
> As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6
> to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small
> mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.
>
>
> *But here's my question: *Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain
> bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?
> Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
> Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of
> those are on, with WiFi enabled,
> and some % of *those* have used the WiFi modem/router in question and
> have stored its password.
> Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.
>
> Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the
> service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official"
> streaming iPhone,
> but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected
> "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive
> tasks, unattended.
>
> With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups
> in a live video upload?
> (Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger
> hall? Or some even-larger number?)
>
> If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one
> -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
> Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice.
> Duane Dale
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
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>


-- 
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From kbadertscher at umass.edu  Mon Dec  6 20:28:35 2021
From: kbadertscher at umass.edu (Kris Badertscher)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 20:28:35 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] job posting
Message-ID: <DM4PR14MB503888D0FA485F89EDC74ABFD96D9@DM4PR14MB5038.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Hi- it?s unclear on the website how to post a JOB. Is this where I post it?

JOB: Looking for a LinkedIn ad expert to take our UMass training course promotion ad to the next level. Our video ad has been running moderately successfully for the past 3 months. We?d like someone who can analyze the engagement data, compare it to our identified target audience filters and help our ad better attract and engage the right audiences. Short-term consultation and implementation, approximately 3 hours. Contact Jill Buchanon: jillbuchanan at umass.edu<mailto:jillbuchanan at umass.edu>



Thanks, Kris
Kris Badertscher (she/her)
Communications Manager
College of Natural Sciences
University of Massachusetts Amherst

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From dstevens at tryandfindit.com  Mon Dec  6 22:41:12 2021
From: dstevens at tryandfindit.com (Donald M Stevens)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 22:41:12 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
In-Reply-To: <BLAPR05MB73612B9F194329AD821C445DB16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLAPR05MB73612B9F194329AD821C445DB16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLAPR05MB73612BE5E718B1D36376CD80B16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hey Duane,

I was thinking,
Do you have a cloud account / hosting company where you could put this video.
Then the streaming would be off your network on up to each individual that would be watching from their own location.....
Just a thought.

Thanks!
Don

TFI Technologies
"we are here to help you...."
329 Pease Road
East Longmeadow, MA 01028
Office: 413.224.1568
Cell / Text: 860.614.4153
Email: dstevens at tryandfindit.com<mailto:dstevens at tryandfindit.com>
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b<https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base_contact_details%3Bzo%2BD4wDfQ%2FCDVF26QLPsXw%3D%3D>
Skype: tryandfindit


From: Donald M Stevens <dstevens at tryandfindit.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 12:29 PM
To: Duane Dale <duane.dale at gmail.com>; Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?

Good morning Duane
1. Have you tested on an off day when little to no one is there using the wifi?
2. Which internet service are you using?
3. What device actually provides the wifi?
4. I use the wired wifi extender setup whenever possible back to your main wifi device.
5. Have you considered turning off guest access during video presentations?
There's more,
But to answer your questions
Yes. Brick or block walls, distance, the amount of users. Etc... Will all contribute to bandwidth usage
Don

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net>> on behalf of Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:32:22 AM
To: Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>>
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?

Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.

My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its YouTube channel.
Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)

An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of the church).

Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.

As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6 to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.

But here's my question:
Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?
Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of those are on, with WiFi enabled,
and some % of those have used the WiFi modem/router in question and have stored its password.
Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.

Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official" streaming iPhone,
but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive tasks, unattended.

With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups in a live video upload?
(Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger hall? Or some even-larger number?)

If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?

Thanks for any insights and advice.
Duane Dale


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From daniel.nachbar at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 10:56:13 2021
From: daniel.nachbar at gmail.com (Daniel Nachbar)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 05:56:13 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
 phones drain bandwidth...?
In-Reply-To: <BLAPR05MB73612BE5E718B1D36376CD80B16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPi7OHAPcV5yXywOQMKh4wos_R_GDOz+4ctK0YvjBd7DpL4VQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLAPR05MB73612B9F194329AD821C445DB16D9@BLAPR05MB7361.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJTa4G-WEqvXuFh73QkGzyDCzycCFKERfxt3mNRaJZTPo6puJg@mail.gmail.com>

Old Electrical Engineer adage: "Radio will make you crazy!"
Corollary: When in doubt, try a hard-wired connection.

Is there any way you can string an ethernet cable to the phone/camera and
skip the wifi completely?

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 6:39 PM Donald M Stevens via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hey Duane,
>
>
>
> I was thinking,
>
> Do you have a cloud account / hosting company where you could put this
> video.
>
> Then the streaming would be off your network on up to each individual that
> would be watching from their own location?..
>
> Just a thought.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don
>
>
>
> *TFI Technologies*
>
> *?we are here to help you?.?*
>
> 329 Pease Road
>
> East Longmeadow, MA 01028
>
> Office: 413.224.1568
>
> Cell / Text: 860.614.4153
>
> Email: dstevens at tryandfindit.com
>
> LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base_contact_details%3Bzo%2BD4wDfQ%2FCDVF26QLPsXw%3D%3D>
>
> Skype: tryandfindit
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Donald M Stevens <dstevens at tryandfindit.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 06, 2021 12:29 PM
> *To:* Duane Dale <duane.dale at gmail.com>; Hidden-Tech Tech <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a
> crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?
>
>
>
> Good morning Duane
>
> 1. Have you tested on an off day when little to no one is there using the
> wifi?
>
> 2. Which internet service are you using?
>
> 3. What device actually provides the wifi?
>
> 4. I use the wired wifi extender setup whenever possible back to your main
> wifi device.
>
> 5. Have you considered turning off guest access during video presentations?
>
> There's more,
>
> But to answer your questions
>
> Yes. Brick or block walls, distance, the amount of users. Etc... Will all
> contribute to bandwidth usage
>
> Don
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on
> behalf of Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 6, 2021 11:32:22 AM
> *To:* Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject:* [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's
> phones drain bandwidth...?
>
>
>
> Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech.
>
>
>
> My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its
> YouTube channel.
>
> Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups
> show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)
>
>
>
> An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi
> to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of
> the church).
>
>
>
> Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an
> otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.
>
>
> As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6
> to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small
> mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.
>
>
>
>
> *But here's my question:  *Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain
> bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?
> Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.
> Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of
> those are on, with WiFi enabled,
>
> and some % of *those* have used the WiFi modem/router in question and
> have stored its password.
>
> Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.
>
>
>
> Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the
> service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official"
> streaming iPhone,
>
> but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected
> "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive
> tasks, unattended.
>
>
>
> With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups
> in a live video upload?
>
> (Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger
> hall? Or some even-larger number?)
>
>
>
> If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one
> -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??
>
> Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice.
>
> Duane Dale
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
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From natederose at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 16:36:12 2021
From: natederose at gmail.com (Nate DeRose)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Polycom IP 331 VoIP phones - 8ea
Message-ID: <CAPeDdGPFgVt2anSA+_ZNa3hotCS9sEPMSTn+-nZJYxpzzCRwtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Does anyone have a use for these?
We've got 8 of them.   In great shape.  Factory reset.

Includes the phone with base stand and handset, as well as the power brick
if you're not going to do PoE.

You would need to pick them up in Florence, and take all of them, but
they're free to the first interested party.

Thanks,
Nate
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From jaimemichaels at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 22:07:57 2021
From: jaimemichaels at gmail.com (J Michaels)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Urgent Help Needed ASAP: iPhone 6s melted down during
 a failed update to iOS 15.1
Message-ID: <CAKc1xw=3Kx=gPmfzOFVQgTWoPjsBf3DamYT=wjWdJzm-dj+XNg@mail.gmail.com>

S.O.S. to all iPhone H-T geeks: I need your help asap. I can't call Apple
Support because my perfectly healthy iPhone is now in a coma. Yikes!!

*In a nutshell*:
I was simply trying to update my iPhone 6s from 12.1 to to 15.1. I did my
homework and backed up my phone in three places and had 24 GB of available
storage.

After a few failed attempts to update directly from my phone, I tried
iTunes (most current version). iTunes tried to update and then eventually
the message was that it could not update my phone. After more research, I
shut down and restarted both my MacBook and iPhone (based on the
instructions from Apple Support).

In the next attempt to update, iTunes gave this awful message: "The
iPhone could not be updated. The device cannot be found." What?? My phone
now only shows the Restore Screen: black with only the iTunes icon and a
graphic of a cable and an arrow pointing to the iTunes icon  - i.e. a
message to plug into iTunes - and this url: support.apple.com/phone/restore
.

Now I'm above my paygrade. If you know what I should do, please email me.

Thank you so much!

Jaime Michaels
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From jaimemichaels at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 01:05:17 2021
From: jaimemichaels at gmail.com (J Michaels)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 20:05:17 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Thank You H-T - iPhone Is Fixed
Message-ID: <CAKc1xwnwzw0mB6kpnnscbaiGVqrOej6_H+yKpds3+GexB-PH7g@mail.gmail.com>

Great news - I fixed AND updated my phone! Perseverance paid off!

Thank you to everyone who reached out to me.

Jaime
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From anita.lockesmith at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 14:37:38 2021
From: anita.lockesmith at gmail.com (Anita Lockesmith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] FB Breach
Message-ID: <CAFX_bukZFKpgvT_fB4hmw+A0SSJQLHa+vbr0MjNqfnoShYOg1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello HT,
An elderly friend with an inactive FB page recently 'messaged' me. Except I
know she would never message me so I called her. She said she did not
message me so I'm guessing it's a breach. She uses FB as a tool but does
not post on her page. What should she do if her page has been hacked?


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From dbennett823 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 14:37:25 2021
From: dbennett823 at gmail.com (David Bennett)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
Message-ID: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the
Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is
shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and
shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again
and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).
It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.
Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so
ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until
yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big
Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I
don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery
issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for
service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in
Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!

David Bennett
Deerfield, MA
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Thu Dec 16 18:29:03 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] FB Breach
In-Reply-To: <CAFX_bukZFKpgvT_fB4hmw+A0SSJQLHa+vbr0MjNqfnoShYOg1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFX_bukZFKpgvT_fB4hmw+A0SSJQLHa+vbr0MjNqfnoShYOg1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7532d722-60b4-1d7b-816c-d8bc1883b9f6@montaguewebworks.com>

See if she can still log in (ie; the hackers didn't change the password) 
and if so, change the password immediately and view the logs of who was 
contacted to let them know it wasn't her.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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On 12/16/2021 9:37 AM, Anita Lockesmith via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hello HT,
> An elderly friend with an?inactive FB page recently 'messaged' me. 
> Except I know she would never message?me so I called her. She said she 
> did not message me so I'm guessing it's?a breach. She uses FB as a 
> tool but does not post on her page. What should she do if her page has 
> been hacked?
>
>
> -- 
>
> ________________
> Find me atgreenfieldperdiem.com <http://greenfieldperdiem.com>
> "Project Support When You Need It"
> 27 Allen Street, Greenfield, MA 01301
> (978) 895-1912
>
>
>
>
>
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From fred at smallbatchbooks.com  Thu Dec 16 17:32:57 2021
From: fred at smallbatchbooks.com (Fred Levine)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 17:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR03MB314787BDBBF84E184D75FA61A5779@DM5PR03MB3147.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I would avoid Yes Computers. I brought my MBP in there when it was acting up. They kept it for a couple of weeks, then said they couldn?t fix it and charged me $80. I finally figured out it was as simple as the version of Outlook I was running wasn?t compatible with the new OS I had downloaded. Isn?t that something they should be aware of?

Fred

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of David Bennett via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Reply-To: David Bennett <dbennett823 at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 12:13 PM
To: Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County

Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).  It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.  Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!

David Bennett
Deerfield, MA
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From tomadams at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:18:27 2021
From: tomadams at gmail.com (tom's gmail)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA37C309-F695-4DF7-AD93-21D6DDB38F16@gmail.com>

Apple store in holyoke mall. (Not sure of their covid availability)

Can use Apple store app to schedule appnt

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> On Dec 16, 2021, at 12:13 PM, David Bennett via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).  It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.  Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
> 
> David Bennett
> Deerfield, MA 
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Thu Dec 16 18:28:09 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:28:09 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b5a6dfaa-3118-f62c-a355-f17fc546e274@montaguewebworks.com>

David,

I always take my computer stuff to About Face Computers in Turners Falls.

  * https://about-facecomputers.com/ <https://about-facecomputers.com/>

Thanks,

Mik


Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 12/16/2021 9:37 AM, David Bennett via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in 
> the Franklin County area.? Out of the blue, the screen goes black and 
> it is shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.? It will turn 
> on and shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and 
> over again and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with 
> slash across it).? It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it 
> doesn't seem to be. Fans working fine and not dusty inside.? Swapped 
> out stock HD a year or so ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.? Has been 
> running great since then until yesterday.? Another note:? When I 
> upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big Sur on the machine as well 
> (normally not supported on a MBP this old).? I don't know if that 
> could be part of the issue.? Could this be a battery issue?? Let me 
> know of any recommendations where I could bring it for service in the 
> area.? I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in Northampton, but 
> wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David Bennett
> Deerfield, MA
>
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From rtblechner at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:47:06 2021
From: rtblechner at gmail.com (Ron Blechner)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] FB Breach
In-Reply-To: <7532d722-60b4-1d7b-816c-d8bc1883b9f6@montaguewebworks.com>
References: <CAFX_bukZFKpgvT_fB4hmw+A0SSJQLHa+vbr0MjNqfnoShYOg1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <7532d722-60b4-1d7b-816c-d8bc1883b9f6@montaguewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcnwtc0HFZv5K7Bdw-gQDEhKV47rovauSTw827+mGBDdDsV_A@mail.gmail.com>

This is pretty common, and it's likely not a breach.

Check the profile of the person who messaged you. You'll likely find this
is a brand-new account.
Scammers will copy-paste a person's name and public profile image, create a
new account, and then message people who are friends with them.

The solution is to report that account as fraudulent.
Likely, there are other people who were messaged. The easiest way is for
the person who's been copied to report the new fake account - FB customer
service is notoriously awful, but they typically pay attention when someone
does the "this person is pretending to be me" fraudulent account reporting.

-Ron

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:43 PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> See if she can still log in (ie; the hackers didn't change the password)
> and if so, change the password immediately and view the logs of who was
> contacted to let them know it wasn't her.
>
> Mik
>
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com
> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>
> On 12/16/2021 9:37 AM, Anita Lockesmith via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Hello HT,
> An elderly friend with an inactive FB page recently 'messaged' me. Except
> I know she would never message me so I called her. She said she did not
> message me so I'm guessing it's a breach. She uses FB as a tool but does
> not post on her page. What should she do if her page has been hacked?
>
>
> --
>
> ________________
> Find me at greenfieldperdiem.com
> "Project Support When You Need It"
> 27 Allen Street, Greenfield, MA 01301
> (978) 895-1912
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free.
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From anita.lockesmith at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 19:50:09 2021
From: anita.lockesmith at gmail.com (Anita Lockesmith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] FB Breach
In-Reply-To: <CAJcnwtc0HFZv5K7Bdw-gQDEhKV47rovauSTw827+mGBDdDsV_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFX_bukZFKpgvT_fB4hmw+A0SSJQLHa+vbr0MjNqfnoShYOg1A@mail.gmail.com>
 <7532d722-60b4-1d7b-816c-d8bc1883b9f6@montaguewebworks.com>
 <CAJcnwtc0HFZv5K7Bdw-gQDEhKV47rovauSTw827+mGBDdDsV_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFX_bumuXfY3N7smB+foVzKePvfx3xZK=RUn2ws+zej7E67Jew@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all! You've given me a way to move forward with her.

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:47 PM Ron Blechner <rtblechner at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is pretty common, and it's likely not a breach.
>
> Check the profile of the person who messaged you. You'll likely find this
> is a brand-new account.
> Scammers will copy-paste a person's name and public profile image, create
> a new account, and then message people who are friends with them.
>
> The solution is to report that account as fraudulent.
> Likely, there are other people who were messaged. The easiest way is for
> the person who's been copied to report the new fake account - FB customer
> service is notoriously awful, but they typically pay attention when someone
> does the "this person is pretending to be me" fraudulent account reporting.
>
> -Ron
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:43 PM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> See if she can still log in (ie; the hackers didn't change the password)
>> and if so, change the password immediately and view the logs of who was
>> contacted to let them know it wasn't her.
>>
>> Mik
>>
>> Mik Muller, president
>> Montague WebWorks
>> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
>> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com
>> Powered by ROCKETFUSION
>>
>> On 12/16/2021 9:37 AM, Anita Lockesmith via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Hello HT,
>> An elderly friend with an inactive FB page recently 'messaged' me. Except
>> I know she would never message me so I called her. She said she did not
>> message me so I'm guessing it's a breach. She uses FB as a tool but does
>> not post on her page. What should she do if her page has been hacked?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ________________
>> Find me at greenfieldperdiem.com
>> "Project Support When You Need It"
>> 27 Allen Street, Greenfield, MA 01301
>> (978) 895-1912
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 19:59:24 2021
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:59:24 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=woxshvXGr7e52EiBydaZd1f4FTp-XE4zeJunV3TKf5zDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM5PR03MB314787BDBBF84E184D75FA61A5779@DM5PR03MB3147.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAGs6=woxshvXGr7e52EiBydaZd1f4FTp-XE4zeJunV3TKf5zDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGs6=woDMsiJvsCO9RqJxAwZa1hW_NTg=BMXqKgUo_tYnGtO4w@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Deborah Chandler <debchandler411 at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
To: Fred Levine <fred at smallbatchbooks.com>


Fred,

I had a very similar incident at YES Computers years ago. After their utter
failure to retrieve any data off my crashed harddrive, and also after
waiting two weeks or so to get that answer, I just stood there at the
service desk, asked for Mark Weinberg, the owner. When Mark eventually
appeared, I told him I wanted my $69. deposit back and that I wasn't
leaving until I got it. The check was issued within the hour. I then took
my work to Core Solutions down the road on State Street, and they did
great, retrieved almost 100% of my data. I told Mark, and his response was
disgusting, and I can't even repeat it here.

Then more recently, YES had a friend arrested in their store by the
Northampton PD because he was not wearing a mask, and stated he had a
medical exemption. He had bought a laptop from them and needed it serviced
under their warranty. They refused him service, called the cops, who issued
a trespass order. He was brought to the jail, had to pay bail and has a
hearing in February.

I know, not everyone operates the way I do, but 14 police encounters and 3
trespass orders later since last March, all on account of my non-compliance
with the unenforceable illegal mask mandates, I have so far succeeded in no
charges sticking and no arrests. The DAs office in the Eastern Hampshire
District knows the deal. Several other law enforcement entities do, too.
But way too many are still "just doing their job".

So there you go, a two-for in my reply ;-)

Deb



On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:44 PM Fred Levine via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I would avoid Yes Computers. I brought my MBP in there when it was acting
> up. They kept it for a couple of weeks, then said they couldn?t fix it and
> charged me $80. I finally figured out it was as simple as the version of
> Outlook I was running wasn?t compatible with the new OS I had downloaded.
> Isn?t that something they should be aware of?
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> *From: *Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on
> behalf of David Bennett via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Reply-To: *David Bennett <dbennett823 at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 12:13 PM
> *To: *Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject: *[Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
>
>
>
> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the
> Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is
> shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and
> shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again
> and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).
> It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.
> Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so
> ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until
> yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big
> Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I
> don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery
> issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for
> service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in
> Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
>
>
>
> David Bennett
>
> Deerfield, MA
> _______________________________________________
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From lrosedesign at comcast.net  Thu Dec 16 21:42:30 2021
From: lrosedesign at comcast.net (Lisa Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <AA37C309-F695-4DF7-AD93-21D6DDB38F16@gmail.com>
References: <AA37C309-F695-4DF7-AD93-21D6DDB38F16@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15EE55AF-122B-4E4E-B756-03AAB21743F7@comcast.net>

I have always had good experiences at the Apple Store in Holyoke.

Lisa Rosenthal 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, tom's gmail via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Apple store in holyoke mall. (Not sure of their covid availability)
> 
> Can use Apple store app to schedule appnt
> 
> Regards,
> Tom Adams, Director/Owner
> www.ReelifeProductions.com
> http://Folktography.zenfolio.com
> ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ?
> Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996
> (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707)
> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2021, at 12:13 PM, David Bennett via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).  It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.  Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
>> 
>> David Bennett
>> Deerfield, MA 
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From psienk.ext at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 14:58:26 2021
From: psienk.ext at gmail.com (Peter S)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 09:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
Message-ID: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>

Hello Hidden Techers,

I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. 
but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.

I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home 
utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.? 
It's been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in 
Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.? 
Its written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, 
assuming the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.? I see 
this as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).

I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my 
friends/family, if they were interested in using it.

While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've 
also been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.

Specifically:

 1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
 2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
    for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering
    support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
 3. Email Hosting..
 4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
 5. More?

I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple 
topics for other conversations).? My assumption is that in the short 
(and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be 
a small money hole.

I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some 
sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is that maybe it would 
have positive tax implications.

I've never started a business of any kind before.

So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS. I've 
heard an LLC may be more than I need.? What would be your suggested 
approach?

Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie 
question),

~Peter


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From markdhamill at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 15:40:12 2021
From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>

If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low usage
there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but make it
publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a static IP, a
Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks about putting a
website on the dark web hosted in your house but it would apply as well if
you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food for thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM



On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello Hidden Techers,
>
> I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. but
> I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.
>
> I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home
> utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.  It's
> been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in Django,
> that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.  Its
> written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming
> the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.  I see this as a
> hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
>
> I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
> friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>
> While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've also
> been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.
>
> Specifically:
>
>    1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>    2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
>    for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering support) via
>    Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>    3. Email Hosting..
>    4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>    5. More?
>
> I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple
> topics for other conversations).  My assumption is that in the short (and
> most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be a small
> money hole.
>
> I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some
> sort of 'small business' umbrella.  My naive hope is that maybe it would
> have positive tax implications.
>
> I've never started a business of any kind before.
>
> So.. what do I need to do?  I need to get an EIN from the IRS.  I've heard
> an LLC may be more than I need.  What would be your suggested approach?
>
> Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie
> question),
>
> ~Peter
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Mon Dec 20 16:55:31 2021
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:55:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20211220165531.B1F30223376@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

At Mon, 20 Dec 2021 09:58:26 -0500 Peter S <psienk.ext at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Hello Hidden Techers,
> 
> I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. 
> but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.
> 
> I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home 
> utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.???? 
> It's been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in 
> Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.???? 
> Its written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, 
> assuming the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.???? I see 
> this as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
> 
> I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my 
> friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
> 
> While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've 
> also been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.
> 
> Specifically:
> 
>  1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>  2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
>     for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering
>     support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.

    You probably don't need/want multiple hosts for something small. 
    (Avoid Digital Ocean.)

>  3. Email Hosting..

    Some web hosting services include Virtual Email forwarding.

>  4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase

    Some web hosting services include the SSL Certificate (Deepwoods Software 
    does) at no extra cost.

>  5. More?
> 
> I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple 
> topics for other conversations).???? My assumption is that in the short 
> (and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be 
> a small money hole.

    Google Adsense can be used to bring in a little money to cover costs.

> 
> I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some 
> sort of 'small business' umbrella.???? My naive hope is that maybe it would 
> have positive tax implications.

    Sure.  If the business is a net loss, it becomes a deducting from your 
    gross income and possible hold you to a lower tax bracket.  Since these 
    costs are fairly small, it is not going to have a huge impact.

> 
> I've never started a business of any kind before.
> 
> So.. what do I need to do????? I need to get an EIN from the IRS. I've 
> heard an LLC may be more than I need.???? What would be your suggested 
> approach?

If this is a one-man operation, you just need to visit your Town Clerk and get
a "Business License". You may or may not want to come up with a catchy name
for your business. ("Peter's Utilities" ?) You don't need an EIN, unless you
plan on hiring employees (eg have a payroll and deal with W2 forms, etc.). A
"sole-propriator" business can just use your individual SSN as your business
tax id, both on your 1040 Schedule C and for things like Sales Tax -- you only
need to get a Sales Tax id, etc. if you are selling *physical* items -- eg
t-shirts or some such.

There is little reason to bother incorperating, unless you have multiple 
principals.  

> 
> Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie 
> question),
> 
> ~Peter
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Mon Dec 20 17:43:16 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:43:16 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
 <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5179a768-33f8-0744-0fe9-72c09d0fd4ff@tnrglobal.com>

you can also use a dynamic DNS to create a public web address that 
points to your home server
It depends on how often your local IP changes - if you are using 
Comcast/Xfinity, I can tell your
that your IP will rarely change -- I've used dyndns.com for years for 
that effect.

Just be careful how you define your local router/firewall to keep 
yourserver separate from the rest of your local machines.

Also, you mixed your business discussion with your tech questions - 
there are local business startup groups just about the business part - 
depending on your goals you might check out VVW - 
https://valleyventurementors.org/

If you decide to share your tech ideas, you might also consider sharing 
your code base using GitHub -- there are a number of businesses that 
grew out of a shared Github code base, as the idea grew

Good Luck - Rich

On 12/20/2021 10:40 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low 
> usage there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but 
> make it publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a static 
> IP, a Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks about 
> putting a website on the dark web hosted in your house but it would 
> apply as well if you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food for 
> thought:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>
>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>     if possible.
>
>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past few
>     years, written in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted
>     on my home Linux server.? Its written to be scalable, so that it
>     works for any US State/City, assuming the web crawlers were
>     written for the utility web sites.? I see this as a hobby venture
>     (that could grow to be more).
>
>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>
>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>     running a website.
>
>     Specifically:
>
>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app,
>         one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>      3. Email Hosting..
>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>      5. More?
>
>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>     (multiple topics for other conversations).? My assumption is that
>     in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit,
>     and would just be a small money hole.
>
>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>
>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>
>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need.? What would be your
>     suggested approach?
>
>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>     newbie question),
>
>     ~Peter
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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From sam at itabix.com  Mon Dec 20 18:37:19 2021
From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <5179a768-33f8-0744-0fe9-72c09d0fd4ff@tnrglobal.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
 <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5179a768-33f8-0744-0fe9-72c09d0fd4ff@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <5e29101b-5571-929d-4c70-870a32e2658d@itabix.com>

Lots of interesting permutations in this. Rich has a great suggestion if 
you want to host on your own server/internet connection. As long as it's 
not bandwidth heavy and/or latency sensitive, that will suffice. You can 
also get a business Comcast (or whatever you're using) account with a 
fixed IP but it's true they don't change the IP very often. You could 
also use a VPN with a fixed IP.

If you don't want to manage your own server(s) and you would need 
several nodes, DigitalOcean or one of it's brethren would be great. 
Their DNS is very good.

Another issue would be using management software such as Webmin that 
includes Let's Encrypt, or set up Let's Encrypt yourself, or you'd need 
to purchase the secure certificates which if you have several nodes can 
get somewhat expensive. Or just use a private certificate as long as 
your users know to accept/bypass it.

Hosting with a regular hosting company might cramp your style, as most 
have restrictions and software limitations that might affect you, 
depending.

Email hosting - if you don't care what domain you're using, use one of 
the free email services such as Gmail, Yandex, Yahoo, etc. Running your 
own mail server can suck, getting blacklisted and such. If you do want 
your own domain, find some cheap web hosting that includes email and use 
that and then you'd also have one server that you could use.

Hope that's helpful.

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On 12/20/2021 12:43 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> you can also use a dynamic DNS to create a public web address that 
> points to your home server
> It depends on how often your local IP changes - if you are using 
> Comcast/Xfinity, I can tell your
> that your IP will rarely change -- I've used dyndns.com for years for 
> that effect.
>
> Just be careful how you define your local router/firewall to keep 
> yourserver separate from the rest of your local machines.
>
> Also, you mixed your business discussion with your tech questions - 
> there are local business startup groups just about the business part - 
> depending on your goals you might check out VVW - 
> https://valleyventurementors.org/
>
> If you decide to share your tech ideas, you might also consider 
> sharing your code base using GitHub -- there are a number of 
> businesses that grew out of a shared Github code base, as the idea grew
>
> Good Luck - Rich
>
> On 12/20/2021 10:40 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low 
>> usage there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but 
>> make it publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a 
>> static IP, a Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks 
>> about putting a website on the dark web hosted in your house but it 
>> would apply as well if you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food 
>> for thought:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>>
>>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>>     if possible.
>>
>>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past few
>>     years, written in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted
>>     on my home Linux server.? Its written to be scalable, so that it
>>     works for any US State/City, assuming the web crawlers were
>>     written for the utility web sites.? I see this as a hobby venture
>>     (that could grow to be more).
>>
>>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>>
>>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>>     running a website.
>>
>>     Specifically:
>>
>>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app,
>>         one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>>      3. Email Hosting..
>>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>>      5. More?
>>
>>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>>     (multiple topics for other conversations).? My assumption is that
>>     in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a
>>     profit, and would just be a small money hole.
>>
>>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>>
>>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>>
>>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need. What would be your
>>     suggested approach?
>>
>>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>>     newbie question),
>>
>>     ~Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>>     Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
>>     You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech
>>     Discussion list.
>>     If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>>     page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
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>>
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Mon Dec 20 19:09:49 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:09:49 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh33P6ePh4wDSTc7=iPWsU6hQ587zfxMQyDrF2gzBsehTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Peter,

On the tax side, you should consult with an expert. Buying a half-hour of
time may be a really good investment. My understanding as a non-expert is
that to qualify as a business and take the deductions, you need to show a
profit three years out of five. I am not in that field and am not
soliciting that business. (I'm a marketer, and would be happy to explore
with you whether there might be commercial applications for your
dashboard--I think there might be.
)
?

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:58 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello Hidden Techers,
>
> I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. but
> I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.
>
> I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home
> utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.  It's
> been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in Django,
> that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.  Its
> written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming
> the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.  I see this as a
> hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
>
> I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
> friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>
> While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've also
> been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.
>
> Specifically:
>
>    1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>    2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
>    for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering support) via
>    Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>    3. Email Hosting..
>    4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>    5. More?
>
> I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple
> topics for other conversations).  My assumption is that in the short (and
> most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be a small
> money hole.
>
> I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some
> sort of 'small business' umbrella.  My naive hope is that maybe it would
> have positive tax implications.
>
> I've never started a business of any kind before.
>
> So.. what do I need to do?  I need to get an EIN from the IRS.  I've heard
> an LLC may be more than I need.  What would be your suggested approach?
>
> Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie
> question),
>
> ~Peter
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Mon Dec 20 19:34:48 2021
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:34:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com> 
 <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20211220193449.462C422337B@sharky4.deepsoft.com>

WARNING: *Most* ISPs have restrictions about public-facing servers, unless you 
pay extra for a dedicated (business) line.

There are some "free" options.  For example if you don't mind having your site 
on the wordpress.org domain, you can get a free WP site at 
yourhostname.wordpress.org -- of course it will be a WordPress site.  I'm 
guessing there might be other free options available.  *Some* ISPs offer 
websites for their customers (again it will be yourname.yourispsdomain).


At Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:40:12 -0500 markdhamill at gmail.com wrote:

> 
> If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low usage
> there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but make it
> publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a static IP, a
> Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks about putting a
> website on the dark web hosted in your house but it would apply as well if
> you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food for thought:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Hidden Techers,
> >
> > I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. but
> > I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.
> >
> > I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home
> > utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.  It's
> > been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in Django,
> > that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.  Its
> > written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming
> > the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.  I see this as a
> > hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
> >
> > I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
> > friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
> >
> > While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've also
> > been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.
> >
> > Specifically:
> >
> >    1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
> >    2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
> >    for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering support) via
> >    Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
> >    3. Email Hosting..
> >    4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
> >    5. More?
> >
> > I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple
> > topics for other conversations).  My assumption is that in the short (and
> > most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be a small
> > money hole.
> >
> > I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some
> > sort of 'small business' umbrella.  My naive hope is that maybe it would
> > have positive tax implications.
> >
> > I've never started a business of any kind before.
> >
> > So.. what do I need to do?  I need to get an EIN from the IRS.  I've heard
> > an LLC may be more than I need.  What would be your suggested approach?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie
> > question),
> >
> > ~Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From alan at 8wheels.org  Mon Dec 20 19:44:42 2021
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1a04d723347aa0650c894f707c6fddb@8wheels.org>

Peter,

Unfortunately, the IRS would treat that activity as a hobby and the 
losses as nondeductible.  For a sole proprietorship, you need to turn a 
profit in three of five years in order to be able to deduct the losses 
in the other years.  If you incorporated, you could carry the losses 
forward, but it seems unlikely that the tax savings would be enough to 
offset the cost (and hassle) of incorporation.

--Alan

P.S. I have recently passed the Certified Financial Planner examination 
and am open to doing some pro bono consulting until I land a permanent 
situation.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
Date: 20.12.2021 09:58
 From: Peter S via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net

Hello Hidden Techers,

I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question..
but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.

I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home
utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.
It's been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written
in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux
server.  Its written to be scalable, so that it works for any US
State/City, assuming the web crawlers were written for the utility web
sites.  I see this as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).

I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
friends/family, if they were interested in using it.

While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've
also been researching the associated costs of actually running a
website.

Specifically:

  	* Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap

	* Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one
for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering support)
via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.

	* Email Hosting..
  	* (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
  	* More?

I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple
topics for other conversations).  My assumption is that in the short
(and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just
be a small money hole.

I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under
some sort of 'small business' umbrella.  My naive hope is that maybe
it would have positive tax implications.

I've never started a business of any kind before.

So.. what do I need to do?  I need to get an EIN from the IRS..  I've
heard an LLC may be more than I need.  What would be your suggested
approach?

Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie
question),

~Peter
_______________________________________________
Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net

You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion 
list.
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From dlesser at ptraining.com  Mon Dec 20 20:26:13 2021
From: dlesser at ptraining.com (Don Lesser)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh33P6ePh4wDSTc7=iPWsU6hQ587zfxMQyDrF2gzBsehTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh33P6ePh4wDSTc7=iPWsU6hQ587zfxMQyDrF2gzBsehTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <729AF11C-3C9C-46DA-A12B-146E870764D1@ptraining.com>

This is a job for an expert. The SBA offers free business consulting for these types of questions. Chambers of Commerce should be able to get you to the schedule for an SBA advisor. You don?t have to be a chamber member. The MSBDC  in Springfield offers a lot of good info for free. I?d go to them as a start. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi, Peter,
> 
> On the tax side, you should consult with an expert. Buying a half-hour of time may be a really good investment. My understanding as a non-expert is that to qualify as a business and take the deductions, you need to show a profit three years out of five. I am not in that field and am not soliciting that business. (I'm a marketer, and would be happy to explore with you whether there might be commercial applications for your dashboard--I think there might be.
> )
> ?
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:58 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>> Hello Hidden Techers,
>> 
>> I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie' question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom, if possible.
>> 
>> I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one dashboard.  It's been a personal project of mine for the past few years, written in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted on my home Linux server.  Its written to be scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming the web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.  I see this as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
>> 
>> I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>> 
>> While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective, I've also been researching the associated costs of actually running a website.  
>> 
>> Specifically:
>> 
>> Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>> Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app, one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>> Email Hosting..
>> (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>> More?
>> I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use (multiple topics for other conversations).  My assumption is that in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit, and would just be a small money hole.
>> 
>> I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.  My naive hope is that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>> 
>> I've never started a business of any kind before.  
>> 
>> So.. what do I need to do?  I need to get an EIN from the IRS.  I've heard an LLC may be more than I need.  What would be your suggested approach? 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my newbie question),
>> 
>> ~Peter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> 
>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
> 
> 
> -- 
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
> ________________________________________________
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, 
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com 
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. 
> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World 
> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
> 
> Watch my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> _________________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From psienk.ext at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 13:23:44 2021
From: psienk.ext at gmail.com (Peter S)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:23:44 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <729AF11C-3C9C-46DA-A12B-146E870764D1@ptraining.com>
References: <CADG-Mh33P6ePh4wDSTc7=iPWsU6hQ587zfxMQyDrF2gzBsehTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <729AF11C-3C9C-46DA-A12B-146E870764D1@ptraining.com>
Message-ID: <10ce4d20-bb39-136b-368f-35b9eb21d1c9@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I want to thank everyone for your insights.? I'll try to follow up 
individually today.

Thanks again!

~Peter


On 12/20/21 3:26 PM, Don Lesser wrote:
> This is a job for an expert. The SBA offers free business consulting 
> for these types of questions. Chambers of Commerce should be able to 
> get you to the schedule for an SBA advisor. You don?t have to be a 
> chamber member. The MSBDC ?in Springfield offers a lot of good info 
> for free. I?d go to them as a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 20, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi, Peter,
>>
>> On the tax side, you should consult with an expert. Buying a 
>> half-hour of time may be a really good investment. My understanding 
>> as a non-expert is that to qualify as a business and take the 
>> deductions, you need to show a profit three years out of five. I am 
>> not in that field and am not soliciting that business. (I'm a 
>> marketer, and would be happy to explore with you whether there might 
>> be commercial applications for your dashboard--I think there might be.
>> )
>> ?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:58 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>>
>>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>>     if possible.
>>
>>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past few
>>     years, written in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted
>>     on my home Linux server.? Its written to be scalable, so that it
>>     works for any US State/City, assuming the web crawlers were
>>     written for the utility web sites.? I see this as a hobby venture
>>     (that could grow to be more).
>>
>>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>>
>>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>>     running a website.
>>
>>     Specifically:
>>
>>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app,
>>         one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>>      3. Email Hosting..
>>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>>      5. More?
>>
>>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>>     (multiple topics for other conversations).? My assumption is that
>>     in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a
>>     profit, and would just be a small money hole.
>>
>>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>>
>>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>>
>>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need. What would be your
>>     suggested approach?
>>
>>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>>     newbie question),
>>
>>     ~Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>>     Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
>>     You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech
>>     Discussion list.
>>     If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>>     page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>>     http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"
>> ________________________________________________
>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
>> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association
>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388
>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.
>> Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World
>> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
>>
>> Watch my TEDx Talk,
>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
>> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
>> (move your mouse to "event videos")
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Tue Dec 21 17:06:20 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 12:06:20 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <10ce4d20-bb39-136b-368f-35b9eb21d1c9@gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh33P6ePh4wDSTc7=iPWsU6hQ587zfxMQyDrF2gzBsehTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <729AF11C-3C9C-46DA-A12B-146E870764D1@ptraining.com>
 <10ce4d20-bb39-136b-368f-35b9eb21d1c9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44fa10a6-e61f-b963-52e6-f0fda74c2151@montaguewebworks.com>

Sounds like a cool project. Make sure your firewalls and anti-hacking is 
at full alert. Hacking the Internet of Things is the new frontier.

Remember, the only ship that still worked in the new Battlestar 
Galactica was all analog and couldn't be hacked.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
Powered by ROCKETFUSION

On 12/21/2021 8:23 AM, Peter S via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I want to thank everyone for your insights.? I'll try to follow up 
> individually today.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> ~Peter
>
>
> On 12/20/21 3:26 PM, Don Lesser wrote:
>> This is a job for an expert. The SBA offers free business consulting 
>> for these types of questions. Chambers of Commerce should be able to 
>> get you to the schedule for an SBA advisor. You don?t have to be a 
>> chamber member. The MSBDC ?in Springfield offers a lot of good info 
>> for free. I?d go to them as a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss 
>>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hi, Peter,
>>>
>>> On the tax side, you should consult with an expert. Buying a 
>>> half-hour of time may be a really good investment. My understanding 
>>> as a non-expert is that to qualify as a business and take the 
>>> deductions, you need to show a profit three years out of five. I am 
>>> not in that field and am not soliciting that business. (I'm a 
>>> marketer, and would be happy to explore with you whether there might 
>>> be commercial applications for your dashboard--I think there might be.
>>> )
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:58 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
>>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>>>
>>>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>>>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>>>     if possible.
>>>
>>>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>>>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>>>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past
>>>     few years, written in Django, that I've essentially
>>>     developed/hosted on my home Linux server.? Its written to be
>>>     scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming the
>>>     web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.? I see this
>>>     as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
>>>
>>>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>>>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>>>
>>>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>>>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>>>     running a website.
>>>
>>>     Specifically:
>>>
>>>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>>>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django
>>>         app, one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>>>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>>>      3. Email Hosting..
>>>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>>>      5. More?
>>>
>>>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>>>     (multiple topics for other conversations). My assumption is that
>>>     in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a
>>>     profit, and would just be a small money hole.
>>>
>>>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>>>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>>>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>>>
>>>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>>>
>>>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>>>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need.? What would be your
>>>     suggested approach?
>>>
>>>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>>>     newbie question),
>>>
>>>     ~Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From psienk.ext at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 18:14:51 2021
From: psienk.ext at gmail.com (Peter S)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
 <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8493fe4-8379-892c-6851-56f16d81c086@gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your suggestion about using a raspberry pi to host it 
myself.? I hadn't really considered it.

On the one hand, as a software developer by trade, there's something 
appealing about not having to deal with the hassle of hosting everything 
myself (the devops side of things).

On the other hand, I feel like I'd probably learn a lot by configuring 
everything myself, which wouldn't be bad in the long run.? Plus, it'd be 
setup exactly like I'd want it, and maybe even be cheaper in the long run.

Do you have any recommendations, in terms of firewall?? There's 
(obviously) a software firewall built into my cable modem.? Would you 
consider that as sufficient, or would you recommend getting another 
piece of hardware?

Thanks again,

~Peter


On 12/20/21 10:40 AM, Mark D. Hamill wrote:
> If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low 
> usage there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but 
> make it publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a static 
> IP, a Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks about 
> putting a website on the dark web hosted in your house but it would 
> apply as well if you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food for 
> thought:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>
>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>     if possible.
>
>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past few
>     years, written in Django, that I've essentially developed/hosted
>     on my home Linux server.? Its written to be scalable, so that it
>     works for any US State/City, assuming the web crawlers were
>     written for the utility web sites.? I see this as a hobby venture
>     (that could grow to be more).
>
>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>
>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>     running a website.
>
>     Specifically:
>
>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django app,
>         one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>      3. Email Hosting..
>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>      5. More?
>
>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>     (multiple topics for other conversations).? My assumption is that
>     in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a profit,
>     and would just be a small money hole.
>
>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>
>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>
>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need.? What would be your
>     suggested approach?
>
>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>     newbie question),
>
>     ~Peter
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>     Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From psienk.ext at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:26:06 2021
From: psienk.ext at gmail.com (Peter S)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:26:06 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Starting my own small Business Website
In-Reply-To: <5e29101b-5571-929d-4c70-870a32e2658d@itabix.com>
References: <a7d8a562-8087-547f-e355-d1f216427335@gmail.com>
 <CAB22ZO8SgF=poPybJm0vBpLs4UyKUNG8qcorXB_SX5GC8zYsyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5179a768-33f8-0744-0fe9-72c09d0fd4ff@tnrglobal.com>
 <5e29101b-5571-929d-4c70-870a32e2658d@itabix.com>
Message-ID: <76fe6e1e-1e57-3512-eebc-599e5b6c7546@gmail.com>

Hi Sam,

Thanks so much for your response!

I'm glad you've had good experience with DigitalOcean.. I'd heard good 
things about it from a friend.

Based on yours and others suggestions, I'm now leaning a bit towards 
trying to host my own solution on a raspberry pi or similar small 
device.? This approach is more expensive in time (having to set 
everything up myself), which is why I'd originally discounted it. ? But 
would probably be cheaper in the long run monetarily, and better fits my 
current expectation of how much it will get used.

I'm going to definitely look into LetsEncrypt before purchasing a 
certificate.? I think I'd prefer this approach to a self-signed 
approach, since I'm trying to "do this right" from a security perspective.

And I agree with you... I think at this point, i'd prefer to outsource 
the email hosting rather than host my own.? I've looked at Gmail so far, 
which seems reasonable.

Thanks again!

~Peter


On 12/20/21 1:37 PM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Lots of interesting permutations in this. Rich has a great suggestion 
> if you want to host on your own server/internet connection. As long as 
> it's not bandwidth heavy and/or latency sensitive, that will suffice. 
> You can also get a business Comcast (or whatever you're using) account 
> with a fixed IP but it's true they don't change the IP very often. You 
> could also use a VPN with a fixed IP.
>
> If you don't want to manage your own server(s) and you would need 
> several nodes, DigitalOcean or one of it's brethren would be great. 
> Their DNS is very good.
>
> Another issue would be using management software such as Webmin that 
> includes Let's Encrypt, or set up Let's Encrypt yourself, or you'd 
> need to purchase the secure certificates which if you have several 
> nodes can get somewhat expensive. Or just use a private certificate as 
> long as your users know to accept/bypass it.
>
> Hosting with a regular hosting company might cramp your style, as most 
> have restrictions and software limitations that might affect you, 
> depending.
>
> Email hosting - if you don't care what domain you're using, use one of 
> the free email services such as Gmail, Yandex, Yahoo, etc. Running 
> your own mail server can suck, getting blacklisted and such. If you do 
> want your own domain, find some cheap web hosting that includes email 
> and use that and then you'd also have one server that you could use.
>
> Hope that's helpful.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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>
> **
>
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>
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> On 12/20/2021 12:43 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> you can also use a dynamic DNS to create a public web address that 
>> points to your home server
>> It depends on how often your local IP changes - if you are using 
>> Comcast/Xfinity, I can tell your
>> that your IP will rarely change -- I've used dyndns.com for years for 
>> that effect.
>>
>> Just be careful how you define your local router/firewall to keep 
>> yourserver separate from the rest of your local machines.
>>
>> Also, you mixed your business discussion with your tech questions - 
>> there are local business startup groups just about the business part 
>> - depending on your goals you might check out VVW - 
>> https://valleyventurementors.org/
>>
>> If you decide to share your tech ideas, you might also consider 
>> sharing your code base using GitHub -- there are a number of 
>> businesses that grew out of a shared Github code base, as the idea grew
>>
>> Good Luck - Rich
>>
>> On 12/20/2021 10:40 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> If this is strictly for use by friends and family and you expect low 
>>> usage there may be a low cost alternative and host it yourself but 
>>> make it publicly available. It's amazing what you can do with a 
>>> static IP, a Raspberry Pi and a network firewall. This video talks 
>>> about putting a website on the dark web hosted in your house but it 
>>> would apply as well if you don't want it to be on the dark web. Food 
>>> for thought:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bllS9tkCkaM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter S via Hidden-discuss 
>>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Hidden Techers,
>>>
>>>     I want to apologize up front for what is a serious 'newbie'
>>>     question.. but I was hoping to draw from your collective wisdom,
>>>     if possible.
>>>
>>>     I've built a small website that essentially aggregates all of my
>>>     home utility data (from the various utility websites) into one
>>>     dashboard.? It's been a personal project of mine for the past
>>>     few years, written in Django, that I've essentially
>>>     developed/hosted on my home Linux server.? Its written to be
>>>     scalable, so that it works for any US State/City, assuming the
>>>     web crawlers were written for the utility web sites.? I see this
>>>     as a hobby venture (that could grow to be more).
>>>
>>>     I'd like to go live with it, and make it available to some of my
>>>     friends/family, if they were interested in using it.
>>>
>>>     While I've been buttoning up things from a security perspective,
>>>     I've also been researching the associated costs of actually
>>>     running a website.
>>>
>>>     Specifically:
>>>
>>>      1. Purchasing/Sustaining a domain name via Namecheap
>>>      2. Web hosting (maybe multiple nodes... one for main Django
>>>         app, one for Redis Queue workers, one for Splash Javascript
>>>         rendering support) via Digital Ocean, Heroku, or AWS.
>>>      3. Email Hosting..
>>>      4. (Possibly) SSL Certificate purchase
>>>      5. More?
>>>
>>>     I haven't yet decided on which hosting services etc to use
>>>     (multiple topics for other conversations).? My assumption is
>>>     that in the short (and most likely long term) this won't turn a
>>>     profit, and would just be a small money hole.
>>>
>>>     I thought it might make sense to at least capture these costs
>>>     under some sort of 'small business' umbrella.? My naive hope is
>>>     that maybe it would have positive tax implications.
>>>
>>>     I've never started a business of any kind before.
>>>
>>>     So.. what do I need to do?? I need to get an EIN from the IRS.?
>>>     I've heard an LLC may be more than I need. What would be your
>>>     suggested approach?
>>>
>>>     Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom (and patience for my
>>>     newbie question),
>>>
>>>     ~Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
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From tomadams at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 03:33:05 2021
From: tomadams at gmail.com (tomadams at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 22:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] =?utf-8?q?In_search_of_a_=E2=80=9CPhotography_Agen?=
 =?utf-8?b?dOKAnQ==?=
Message-ID: <E9000336-8472-4EE2-B866-EE45341C1DE6@gmail.com>

Hello my longtime valley co-horts and my fellow hidden techies,

I?d like to find a ?Photography distribution / marketing Agent? - someone to get my thousands and thousands of photos off my hard drives and into the ?marketplace? - advertising, photo products, posters, cards, magazines, websites etc.

This person would receive a perecentage of all sales and market placement etc?

Samples: http://Folktography.zenfolio.com & www.facebook.com/FolktographybyTom

Who can help me find the right person?

Regards,

Tom Adams, Director/Owner
Reelife Documentary Productions ? Folktography by Tom
Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb.
Educating, Entertaining & Enlightening since 1996
(413) 575-9707 ? Williamsburg, MA
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From cteixeira at venturewell.org  Wed Dec 22 15:28:16 2021
From: cteixeira at venturewell.org (Cindy Teixeira)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 10:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] JOB: Data Science Specialist at VentureWell
Message-ID: <CAMSd4y1A94GrWf1xBcVvX4r2a4xGapoefUv02njio9pB3hCpfw@mail.gmail.com>

We are hiring two Data Science Specialist positions
<https://venturewell.org/careers/?gh_jid=5748139002> at VentureWell.

Join a growing team of data professionals who are committed to using data
science for good. As a *Data Science Specialist at VentureWel*l you will
create resources to help mission driven leaders visualize their impact in
addressing the world?s most intractable challenges related to
entrepreneurship and innovation in technology and sciences. We are looking
for a colleague who is energized by empowering teams to share the ?big
picture? of their outcomes by wearing a consultative hat and guiding them
through structuring and managing their data to enable using data for
meaning making.

*About VentureWell*

VentureWell is on a mission to cultivate a pipeline of inventors,
innovators, and entrepreneurs driven to solve the world?s biggest
challenges and to create lasting impact. We foster collaboration among the
best minds from research labs, classrooms, and beyond to advance innovation
and entrepreneurship education and to provide unique opportunities for STEM
students and researchers to fully realize their potential to improve the
world.

Over the past 25 years, we?ve trained more than 3,000 early-stage
innovation teams and helped launch over 850 ventures that have raised close
to $1 billion in public and private investments. These ventures have
reached millions of people in over 50 countries with technological
advancements in fields such as biotechnology, healthcare, sustainable
energy and materials, and solutions for low-resource settings.

*In this role you will:*

   - Develop intimate knowledge of assigned program area(s) to lead data
   management within the first 3 months on the team
   - Engage with programmatic staff to create trusting consultative
   relationships that lead to deepened understanding of their data needs
   - Build deep knowledge of our data architecture and integrate new
   programmatic data
   - Steward data through performing quality assurance processes, in
   collaboration with other data team members, to ensure the integrity of data
   - Create compelling data products (e.g. data exports, visualizations)
   and share them using language that stakeholders understand
   - Provide quick responses to data requests using your knowledge of
   program-related data assets
   - Develop and contribute to codebases (e.g. data pipeline, reporting
   automations) with the goal of improving organizational efficiency and data
   accuracy
   - Serve as a resource for best practices in data collection and
   management for internal departments

For the full job description and to apply visit:
https://venturewell.org/careers/?gh_jid=5748139002

Thank you,
Cindy Teixeira
Director, Data Systems
VentureWell
cteixeira at venturewell.org

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From tomadams at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 18:51:38 2021
From: tomadams at gmail.com (Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 13:51:38 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] suggestions for a videographer in California and
 Oregon?
Message-ID: <CAO4jWU=bE2hZZhNj1cqziMDAmg0nh_vmEKXTn-jrOTJ0TJPtog@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

A bit of a long shot but Hidden Tech has come through before for crazier
searches:

Wondering if anyone has any professional videographer contacts near Menlo
Park, CA and/or Estacada, OR? I'm coordinating video shoots for the end of
March.

Thank you in advance for any info.



*Regards,*

*Tom Adams, Director/Owner*


*Reelife Documentary Productions <http://www.ReelifeProductions.com> ?
**Folktography
by Tom* <http://folktography.zenfolio.com>
*Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb.*
*Educating, Entertaining & Enlightening since 1996*
*(413) 575-9707*
* ? Williamsburg, MA*
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Mon Dec 27 16:33:55 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:33:55 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] For "Creatives" and the like
Message-ID: <f9bcf13a-35d9-ae7e-a246-d1a8cb729565@tnrglobal.com>

Be on the ArtsHub Virtual Summit 2022:
 ?????? How to Recover and Thrive.

This exciting premier event will provide you with the tools you need, so 
your creative business can RECOVER from the disruption created by the 
pandemic and help position your business to THRIVE as the economy recovers.

Join in the launch of the ArtsHub of Western Massachusetts and find out 
how the ArtsHub can help you be seen! Registration is LIVE!

Details at:umass.edu/aes/ArtsHub <http://umass.edu/aes/ArtsHub>
Register at:https://umass.irisregistration.com/Site/ArtsHubSummit

-- 
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CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com
Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com
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And for Arts and relaxation:
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From dbennett823 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 27 20:05:24 2021
From: dbennett823 at gmail.com (David Bennett)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 15:05:24 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALuFYQ=QTgr2C4_gVRfCE8Y_kYEhL5cnpB-vW4xdfcK2qBA-Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all.  Brought it up to Browns in Bratt today and they basically told
me that since it doesn't power up anymore and Apple considers it obsolete,
there is nothing they can do.  Any replacement parts wouldn't be
available.  I do have a fresh backup of all the data, so that's a plus.
Time to purchase a new machine.  Thanks again for the suggestions.

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 9:37 AM David Bennett <dbennett823 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the
> Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is
> shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and
> shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again
> and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).
> It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.
> Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so
> ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until
> yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big
> Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I
> don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery
> issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for
> service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in
> Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David Bennett
> Deerfield, MA
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Mon Dec 27 21:52:03 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 16:52:03 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) Repairs in Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuFYQm=LwF71ZMwPOiwCy=ZeMBARsLdy2u6Piuk02UmtzNeEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh2U2DMrbP8eGPvce3KQCKV-GYHPTaOgUVWRpSVt9g2__g@mail.gmail.com>

Not Franklin but Hampshire County: I've been very happy with Green Earth PC
in Northampton (after NOT being happy with some of the other local shops.
They fix what makes sense to fix, and tell me when it's not worth fixing.
?

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 9:37 AM David Bennett via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for service on a MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in the
> Franklin County area.  Out of the blue, the screen goes black and it is
> shutting down, and now I cannot get it to boot up.  It will turn on and
> shut off within seconds and then it tries restarting over and over again
> and sometimes gives the prohibited symbol (circle with slash across it).
> It is acting almost as if it is overheating, but it doesn't seem to be.
> Fans working fine and not dusty inside.  Swapped out stock HD a year or so
> ago with SSD and maxed out RAM.  Has been running great since then until
> yesterday.  Another note:  When I upgraded to the SSD I had installed Big
> Sur on the machine as well (normally not supported on a MBP this old).  I
> don't know if that could be part of the issue.  Could this be a battery
> issue?  Let me know of any recommendations where I could bring it for
> service in the area.  I know of left-click in Amherst and Yes in
> Northampton, but wondering if there is anywhere else. Thanks for any ideas!
>
> David Bennett
> Deerfield, MA
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From gsethkramer at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 19:33:50 2021
From: gsethkramer at yahoo.com (Gordon Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:33:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recommendation for a bookkeeper?
References: <269960550.2750366.1640720030011.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <269960550.2750366.1640720030011@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,
A friend is looking for a bookkeeper experienced with QuickBooks Online, who is also familiar with the bookkeeping needs of non-profit organizations. We would be grateful for any recommendations - thank you!
Regards,
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From aliassolutions at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 16:42:28 2021
From: aliassolutions at gmail.com (Paul Stallman)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recommendation for a bookkeeper?
In-Reply-To: <269960550.2750366.1640720030011@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <269960550.2750366.1640720030011.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <269960550.2750366.1640720030011@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKv03GMz0CPmgz9e7+spPeqdexDgL61wr+Q5xBK9iaWgzEHsfg@mail.gmail.com>

simply-booked.com
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they are located in Springfield

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On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 2:33 PM Gordon Kramer via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> A friend is looking for a bookkeeper experienced with QuickBooks Online,
> who is also familiar with the bookkeeping needs of non-profit
> organizations. We would be grateful for any recommendations - thank you!
>
> Regards,
>    Gordon Kramer
> _______________________________________________
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From lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 22:26:17 2021
From: lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com (Lynne Rudie)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
Message-ID: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>

Hello Hidden Techies
	I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only phone. 
	I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
	This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.

	I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates. 
	What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are unlimited talk and text. 
	Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will be?
	I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works very well). 
	And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too late, what else should I be thinking about?

	Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
	Lynne



Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
413/834-0889

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Thu Dec 30 23:25:04 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a50fbb86-a6f3-a1d7-3506-3c728b22b8f7@tnrglobal.com>

I've had good luck with Google Fi -- it is unlimited talk and text for a 
flat rate
that does not include cell data - which you really don't need - since 
most data usage is where there is wifi.
I've looked into 55+ plans and they really don't work unless your income 
is very low.

You make a comment about wifi and I figure you mean the phone as a hot 
spot rather than the phone on wifi.

(BTW if you direct email me I'll send a referral code)

On 12/30/2021 5:26 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hello Hidden Techies
> I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and 
> find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now 
> my only phone.
> I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with 
> the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out 
> the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. 
> No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it 
> continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying 
> my account had been discontinued for ?verification.? ?I spent more 
> than half an hour on hold waiting to get a ?real person to talk to me 
> without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>
> I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers 
> who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates.
> What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one 
> iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have 
> now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see 
> that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t 
> look as though they are unlimited talk and text.
> Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is 
> that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they 
> say it will be?
> I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works 
> very well).
> And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too 
> late, what else should I be thinking about?
>
> Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> Lynne
>
>
>
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
>
>
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    http://www.welovemuseums.com
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From zamboli at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 23:59:06 2021
From: zamboli at gmail.com (Ben)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:59:06 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <a50fbb86-a6f3-a1d7-3506-3c728b22b8f7@tnrglobal.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
 <a50fbb86-a6f3-a1d7-3506-3c728b22b8f7@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR04MB676709A2D3B1B3FAF6F8D22CFD459@MN2PR04MB6767.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I?ve been happy with www.Ting.com<http://www.Ting.com>. No contract and I?ve had good experience with customer service. You can use Verizon?s cell network or Sprint?s or T-Mobile?s. If you don?t use data your bill will generally be under $20/month. If you need data in a pinch I think they charge $5/GB. Also can offer a referral (bill credit) upon request :-)
________________________________
From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 6:25:04 PM
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone


I've had good luck with Google Fi -- it is unlimited talk and text for a flat rate
that does not include cell data - which you really don't need - since most data usage is where there is wifi.
I've looked into 55+ plans and they really don't work unless your income is very low.

You make a comment about wifi and I figure you mean the phone as a hot spot rather than the phone on wifi.

(BTW if you direct email me I'll send a referral code)

On 12/30/2021 5:26 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss wrote:
Hello Hidden Techies
I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only phone.
I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.

I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates.
What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are unlimited talk and text.
Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will be?
I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works very well).
And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too late, what else should I be thinking about?

Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
Lynne



Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
413/834-0889




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Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
And for Arts and relaxation:
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   http://www.welovemuseums.com
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From nina at ninaf.com  Fri Dec 31 02:13:38 2021
From: nina at ninaf.com (Nina Fischer)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 21:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABhq2LdrS3xmYwy3VCtXgi7qjOvZu3vJRD21W36TCy3ZkTWZDA@mail.gmail.com>

We switched to Infinity recently and have been very happy.  You have to get
your internet through them to be eligible.  The service is less expensive
then Verizon but uses the same networks.  No problems with dropped calls
and great 24/7 customer service. the transition has been easy.  We checked
out T-Mobile and out her the service is not good.  Lots of dropped calls
and crappy,limited customer service.

     Nina

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:16 PM Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello Hidden Techies
> I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a
> better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only
> phone.
> I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the
> details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the
> invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt
> I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after
> 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my
> account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half
> an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any
> luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>
> I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who
> have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates.
> What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE
> and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t
> need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular
> and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are
> unlimited talk and text.
> Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that
> a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will
> be?
> I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works
> very well).
> And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too
> late, what else should I be thinking about?
>
> Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> Lynne
>
>
>
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From lion at catamount.net  Fri Dec 31 03:55:31 2021
From: lion at catamount.net (Catamount)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 22:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <221F94B8-71E1-4F26-8666-0CF38B092C74@catamount.net>

I?ve been very happy with Mint Mobile.
They ?sub let? on the T-Mobile Network.
I gave AT&T the 1 finger wave over three years ago, and haven?t regretted it once.
Once I got the SIM installed, I was switched over in 20 minutes.
I get all the data I need for $25/mo, and they have  both smaller and larger options.
I don?t think you can get an unlimited plan anywhere, these days.
Cell coverage should always be looked into, of course, but most places not in the far hills do all right.

You mentioned Wi-Fi. Your iPhone will use Wi-Fi, when at home or others? WIFI, for most calls, and most texts, (iMessage) whether you realize that or not.
Email me directly if you?d like a mutually beneficial referral link- I think they?d give you three months free.

Holleran G
Free Range IT Consultant / Catamount Computer 
Holleran G on iPhone, please excuse typos and brevity.

> On Dec 30, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello Hidden Techies
> 	I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only phone. 
> 	I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> 	This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
> 
> 	I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates. 
> 	What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are unlimited talk and text. 
> 	Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will be?
> 	I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works very well). 
> 	And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too late, what else should I be thinking about?
> 
> 	Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> 	Lynne
> 
> 
> 
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
> 
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From dlesser at ptraining.com  Fri Dec 31 12:28:57 2021
From: dlesser at ptraining.com (Ptraining)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 07:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <667D48FC-E89C-465F-A2F8-EE5A1DAB6E06@ptraining.com>

Hi Lynne. Sarah and I have theTMobile senior plan. 2 lines, unlimited talk and text $110/mn. Service has been fine and we haven?t found any places where it drops. Unlike 10 years ago when TMobile had poor service in this area. The Hadley store was extremely helpful. Happy New Year. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 30, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello Hidden Techies
> 	I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only phone. 
> 	I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> 	This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
> 
> 	I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates. 
> 	What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are unlimited talk and text. 
> 	Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will be?
> 	I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works very well). 
> 	And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too late, what else should I be thinking about?
> 
> 	Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> 	Lynne
> 
> 
> 
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
> 
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From ryan225360 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 14:41:57 2021
From: ryan225360 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ryan_=E2=80=9CRyGuy=E2=80=9D_IDK?=)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 09:41:57 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <221F94B8-71E1-4F26-8666-0CF38B092C74@catamount.net>
References: <221F94B8-71E1-4F26-8666-0CF38B092C74@catamount.net>
Message-ID: <51EF5483-C9A4-4B00-B948-D34D7E02FA92@gmail.com>

I?m also on Mint Mobile. Very happy with it. I have the $35 a month ?unlimited? plan that?s actually just a 35GB plan. Service gets a bit weird on my way to the Berkshires between Goshen and Dalton, though. That?s the only big dead zone I have. 

Best,

RFCB

Ryan Cheevers-Brown
CheevTech IT Services
Cheevers Photography

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 08:58, Catamount via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?ve been very happy with Mint Mobile.
> They ?sub let? on the T-Mobile Network.
> I gave AT&T the 1 finger wave over three years ago, and haven?t regretted it once.
> Once I got the SIM installed, I was switched over in 20 minutes.
> I get all the data I need for $25/mo, and they have  both smaller and larger options.
> I don?t think you can get an unlimited plan anywhere, these days.
> Cell coverage should always be looked into, of course, but most places not in the far hills do all right.
> 
> You mentioned Wi-Fi. Your iPhone will use Wi-Fi, when at home or others? WIFI, for most calls, and most texts, (iMessage) whether you realize that or not.
> Email me directly if you?d like a mutually beneficial referral link- I think they?d give you three months free.
> 
> Holleran G
> Free Range IT Consultant / Catamount Computer 
> Holleran G on iPhone, please excuse typos and brevity.
> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Hello Hidden Techies
>> 	I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only phone. 
>> 	I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
>> 	This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>> 
>> 	I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates. 
>> 	What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are unlimited talk and text. 
>> 	Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will be?
>> 	I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works very well). 
>> 	And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too late, what else should I be thinking about?
>> 
>> 	Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
>> 	Lynne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
>> 413/834-0889
>> 
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Fri Dec 31 15:51:07 2021
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 10:51:07 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <667D48FC-E89C-465F-A2F8-EE5A1DAB6E06@ptraining.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
 <667D48FC-E89C-465F-A2F8-EE5A1DAB6E06@ptraining.com>
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Since Don mentioned price, I have to add - I switched from a multi-line 
Tmobile (we had 5 phones at one point)
that was about $120/mn for 2 phones to the 2 line Goggle Fi at $35/mon

The only issue with Goggle fi, that does work over various networks and 
lots of phones beyond the Pixels is
that some older Apple (6 in our case) do not get MMS without cel data 
being on -- MMS is when you text
to multiple people or send photos/videos -- regular text (SMS) is no 
extra charge.
We've not had any dead regions since we got Fi including areas of VT 
that Tmobile didn't work (although that was over 2 yrs ago) and various 
places in southern EU (Spain/France/Italy) and Iceland

For reference, with 3 lines and a month where we had video cel calls we 
never went above $75 for that month.

Any yes, it's a bit of a pain and regular reviewing required !

Rich

On 12/31/2021 7:28 AM, Ptraining via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi Lynne. Sarah and I have theTMobile senior plan. 2 lines, unlimited 
> talk and text $110/mn. Service has been fine and we haven?t found any 
> places where it drops. Unlike 10 years ago when TMobile had poor 
> service in this area. The Hadley store was extremely helpful. Happy 
> New Year.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 30, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> ? Hello Hidden Techies
>> I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and 
>> find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now 
>> my only phone.
>> I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with 
>> the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten 
>> out the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land 
>> line. No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience 
>> and it continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me 
>> all was well.
>> This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon 
>> saying my account had been discontinued for ?verification.? ?I spent 
>> more than half an hour on hold waiting to get a ?real person to talk 
>> to me without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>>
>> I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other 
>> carriers who have good coverage, good customer service, and 
>> reasonable rates.
>> What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one 
>> iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have 
>> now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see 
>> that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t 
>> look as though they are unlimited talk and text.
>> Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is 
>> that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they 
>> say it will be?
>> I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it 
>> works very well).
>> And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s 
>> too late, what else should I be thinking about?
>>
>> Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
>> Lynne
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
>> 413/834-0889
>>
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From eddygold at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 16:06:52 2021
From: eddygold at aol.com (eddygold at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 16:06:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
References: <198755015.373652.1640966812288.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <198755015.373652.1640966812288@mail.yahoo.com>

Have you looked into Credo Mobile? Used to be Working Assets in the '80s. After Sprint's customer service devolved into pathetic, I switched back to Credo after many years away. It's probably not the least expensive option, but they donate a % to progressive causes. They have several different plans listed on their website. Pretty sure they piggyback on a major carrier. I have no complaints about their coverage, and their customer people are ridiculously, wonderfully helpful.~)

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From shel at principledprofit.com  Fri Dec 31 17:31:11 2021
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
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Like Rich, I've been with Google Fi for a while (since 2016). I'm basically
happy with it, and have had two phones replaced under warranty (first a
Nexus and then a Moto X4), which they honored--plus one replaced after
theft, which I had to buy. At the time I got mine, you had to get a special
phone (very limited selection). I think now you can use pretty much any
phone. Keeping my existing number was no problem.

My reason for switching from Consumer Cellular (which had great customer
service and an AARP discount) was because CC doesn't support international
calling AT ALL. Google works out of the box in over 100 countries--but what
they don't tell you ahead is that it's 20 cents per minute. Still, it's
great if you need to e.g. confirm a reservation, find out if a restaurant
is open, or tell someone you're delayed in meeting them. And of course, for
long calls, there are plenty of other options such as WhatsApp, Zoom,
FaceTime, etc. If you never call internationally or have another way to do
that, Consumer Cellular is a fine choice.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 5:26 PM Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hello Hidden Techies
> I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and find a
> better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now my only
> phone.
> I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with the
> details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out the
> invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. No doubt
> I am not the only person who has had this experience and it continues after
> 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying my
> account had been discontinued for ?verification.?  I spent more than half
> an hour on hold waiting to get a  real person to talk to me without any
> luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>
> I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers who
> have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates.
> What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one iPhoneSE
> and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have now and I don?t
> need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see that Consumer Cellular
> and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t look as though they are
> unlimited talk and text.
> Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is that
> a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they say it will
> be?
> I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works
> very well).
> And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too
> late, what else should I be thinking about?
>
> Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> Lynne
>
>
>
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tech at montaguewebworks.com  Fri Dec 31 17:34:32 2021
From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:34:32 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for advice about carriers for mobile phone
In-Reply-To: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
References: <1C1A9359-B958-44AA-B12B-ECD3D4E16D3F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <502cc4e4-173a-2c38-5e09-7bc52f15c4d9@montaguewebworks.com>

Whenever we have trouble with our Verizon service, we go to the Verizon 
store in the Greenfield BigY shopping plaza. They've been able to deal 
with our lines and plans no problem. They must have lowered their phone 
support staffing because, yes, you're on hold forever.

As for service in the region, I've heard Sprint / T-Mobile doesn't have 
great penetration in our area. AT&T does, but not a strong signal, or at 
least it wasn't a few years back when I did a side-by-side comparison. 
Verizon has always had the best signal and reach, though of course these 
are the hills of western Mass.

The side by side comparison I did was about five years ago at West 
County Equipment in the Greenfield industrial park. I was setting up 
emails on five staffer's phones. All were iPhones, either a 5 or a 6. 
One of the phones was AT&T. The rest were Verizon. The AT&T phone would 
not connect to the cell network until I walked over to a window and 
pressed it up against the glass. The Verizon phones had no problem 
sitting on the desk in the middle of that giant corrugated metal 
building. I was impressed.

Mik

Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
20 River Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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On 12/30/2021 5:26 PM, Lynne Rudie via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hello Hidden Techies
> I am writing because I need to end my relationship with Verizon and 
> find a better carrier and contract for my mobile phone, which is now 
> my only phone.
> I eliminated my land line several months ago. I won?t bore you with 
> the details of dysfunction I have experienced trying to straighten out 
> the invoicing for the existing mobile and the non-existent land line. 
> No doubt I am not the only person who has had this experience and it 
> continues after 3 different people at Verizon had assured me all was well.
> This morning I was woken up by a call from (supposedly) Verizon saying 
> my account had been discontinued for ?verification.? ?I spent more 
> than half an hour on hold waiting to get a ?real person to talk to me 
> without any luck and decided I was done with Verizon.
>
> I would be very grateful for advice (pro and con) about other carriers 
> who have good coverage, good customer service, and reasonable rates.
> What I am looking for is an unlimited talk and text plan for one 
> iPhoneSE and an Apple Watch. I want to keep the phone number I have 
> now and I don?t need a second line. I am a senior citizen and I see 
> that Consumer Cellular and T-Mobile have ?55+? plans but it doesn?t 
> look as though they are unlimited talk and text.
> Some of the carriers offer a new phone as a perk on a new account. Is 
> that a good deal or does it not work out to be as beneficial as they 
> say it will be?
> I don?t need wifi (I am sharing an account with my tenant and it works 
> very well).
> And, because we don?t always know what questions to ask until it?s too 
> late, what else should I be thinking about?
>
> Thanks so much everyone! Happy New Year!
> Lynne
>
>
>
> Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
> 413/834-0889
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 18:36:57 2021
From: lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com (Lynne Rudie)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Hidden-tech] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_advice_about_carriers_?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=94_follow_up_and_thanks?=
Message-ID: <E2BFDDB1-AB42-4D2E-A8C1-90EF152840C0@gmail.com>

First of all ? Wow! 
	I am so happy to have the benefit of all your wisdom and experience. I?m not exactly surprised because Hidden Tech is always amazing, but I am so grateful to everyone who took the time to respond.

I?m going to go through all your responses and make a list (I?m a list-maker) and then make some calls to see what kind of conversations I can have with Customer Service at all the options that were described. I?ll let you know what decision I make, of course.

And, because the timing is interesting, today I got a ?final invoice? from ?regular? Verizon for $18.04, which includes some language threatening my credit score if I don?t pay up right away. I don?t think I actually owe them anything but I?m going to pay it so they will go away and leave me alone.
	I also got an invoice from Verizon Wireless for $4.61 which is due on 1/20/2022. I could ask why that amount but it?s probably not worth the time I would have to spend on hold to find out.

	Thanks again and Happy New Year!
	Lynne


Lynne Rudi? Graphic Design
413/834-0889

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