From david.greenberg3 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:25:24 2020 From: david.greenberg3 at gmail.com (David Greenberg) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem Message-ID: WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't know who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been unable to find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new FB account, is there a way to link it to an existing page to which I have admin access? TIA. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Jun 2 17:14:23 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page you have access to, then you can get to the admin panels that gives all that information. And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using (or if in WP.com) -- there are many different options. Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- almost anyone can post to any page BUT it might not be shown depending on the posters rights of page access, admin or what.? In your last question it's about having admin access to the target page, do you or not ? Rich On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: > WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My > problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't > know who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been > unable to find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new > FB account, is there a way to link it to an existing page to which I > have admin access? TIA. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgdutton7 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 18:29:47 2020 From: cgdutton7 at gmail.com (Christine Dutton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:29:47 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> References: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Rich, I suppose it depends on what he means by access. If he does in fact mean administrative access, then yeah, he should go to the roles page under settings to address administrative issues. David, if you mean you are set up as an editor vs. an admin, then that can be problematic as well... And, definitely do not start troubleshooting the problem by creating another page. *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page you have access to, > then you can get to the admin panels that gives all that information. > And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using (or if in WP.com) -- > there are many different options. > > Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- almost anyone can > post to any page BUT it might not be shown depending on the posters rights > of page access, admin or what. In your last question it's about having > admin access to the target page, do you or not ? > > Rich > On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My > problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't know > who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been unable to > find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new FB account, is > there a way to link it to an existing page to which I have admin access? > TIA. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at deltafactory.com Tue Jun 2 21:07:00 2020 From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <132951eb-4a09-d91c-1c70-cbbe10915a20@deltafactory.com> Wading into this one gently... I'm assuming you're using a plugin like Social Network Auto-Poster which at some point acquired an Access Token to act on a fellow/former admin's behalf. If you can gain access to the access token, likely stored within WP options table, then you should be able to use this token debugging tool to determine the name of the person who set it up. The second half of your question is less clear. If you have admin access to a FB page then you will be able to grant access to the new FB account that you had created. If you're asking about the access between WordPress and the FB page, that should also be possible but may require that you unlink/erase the current access and then reestablish it through the account you control. The ever-evolving FB API has new permission structures, and frequently fine tune or restrict automatic publishing capabilities, partially growing out of major data privacy issues (Cambridge Analytica). Before disassociating the current token, you might want to check that publishing plugin is keeping up with the latest API version and will continue to function as expected. If our replies are off-target then I suggest some clarification of the plugin in use and whether a use of the term user, page, or admin is within the sphere of WordPress or Facebook. Best of luck. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Wed Jun 3 16:30:40 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:30:40 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: David, you still have not told us what WP addon you are using - that makes a difference in the setup You appear to not be using WP.com but that's all I tell Also, you really need to keep this on the HT list (I added it) so you can get input from others. As for phone calls, someone else might help you there - I don't. Rich On 6/3/2020 10:11 AM, David Greenberg wrote: > OK, I undestand the login part. So how would I get the posts on our > WordPress site to show up on our FB professional page, or is this not > possible to do directly? I'm including Bob in this discussion, as it > is he who most frequently posts to FB for us. In case this helps, our > website is here: fccpr.us and our FB page is here: > https://www.facebook.com/FCContinuingPoliticalRevolution/ > > Thanks, > David > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:49 AM Christine Dutton > wrote: > > I think I see where the confusion is. You don't actually log into > your page. You only log into your personal page and navigate over > to your professional page. > Any person who has Admin and Editor access is able to access the > features?and perform tasks-but there is NO specific login for the > FB page. > Some orgs do create a "fake account" with the company name, but > that is also only a personal page. > *Christine Dutton* > *Dutton Consulting * > *413-626-6377* > *Find me on Facebook here! > * > * > * > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:53 AM David Greenberg > > > wrote: > > Thank you both for your response. Not surprising that I was > not as clear as I could be, as I, personally, do not use > Facebook at all. Here is some text from one of the admins of > our FB page: > > /We have a facebook page but do not know what facebook profile > it represents. > (again, I?m not sure if that is using the correct facebook terms). > > When I log in to facebook with my username and password, it > produces my page. > if I gave WordPress my facebook credentials it would post to > my facebook page > and those posts would then appear on the facebook pages of my > friends. > > We don't know the username or password that we should give > WordPress > so it would post to our page.? I assume there must be a > profile that produces that page. > > Is there a way to determine the account information for our > page?? We have admin access > (and editor access, etc).? We can search for our page and > update it, post to it manually, etc. > but we don't have the login credentials that would log into > the profile for our page./ > > Hope this helps. If not, maybe a phone call? > > Thanks, > David > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM Rich at tnr > wrote: > > your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page you > have access to, then you can get to the admin panels that > gives all that information. > And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using (or > if in WP.com) -- there are many different options. > > Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- > almost anyone can post to any page BUT it might not be > shown depending on the posters rights of page access, > admin or what.? In your last question it's about having > admin access to the target page, do you or not ? > > Rich > > On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB >> credentials. My problem is, although I have access to the >> existing FB page, I don't know who set it up and whose >> account it is linked to and I have been unable to find >> out this information. My question is: If I set up a new >> FB account, is there a way to link it to an existing page >> to which I have admin access? TIA. >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david.greenberg3 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 20:53:42 2020 From: david.greenberg3 at gmail.com (David Greenberg) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Ok, thanks. I don't know what WP addon I'm using. Maybe whatever came with WordPress? On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:30 PM Rich at tnr wrote: > David, you still have not told us what WP addon you are using - that makes > a difference in the setup > You appear to not be using WP.com but that's all I tell > > Also, you really need to keep this on the HT list (I added it) so you can > get input from others. > > As for phone calls, someone else might help you there - I don't. > > Rich > On 6/3/2020 10:11 AM, David Greenberg wrote: > > OK, I undestand the login part. So how would I get the posts on our > WordPress site to show up on our FB professional page, or is this not > possible to do directly? I'm including Bob in this discussion, as it is he > who most frequently posts to FB for us. In case this helps, our website is > here: fccpr.us and our FB page is here: > https://www.facebook.com/FCContinuingPoliticalRevolution/ > > Thanks, > David > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:49 AM Christine Dutton > wrote: > >> I think I see where the confusion is. You don't actually log into your >> page. You only log into your personal page and navigate over to your >> professional page. >> Any person who has Admin and Editor access is able to access the >> features and perform tasks-but there is NO specific login for the FB page. >> Some orgs do create a "fake account" with the company name, but that is >> also only a personal page. >> *Christine Dutton* >> *Dutton Consulting * >> *413-626-6377* >> *Find me on Facebook here! * >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:53 AM David Greenberg < >> david.greenberg3 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you both for your response. Not surprising that I was not as clear >>> as I could be, as I, personally, do not use Facebook at all. Here is some >>> text from one of the admins of our FB page: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *We have a facebook page but do not know what facebook profile it >>> represents. (again, I?m not sure if that is using the correct facebook >>> terms). When I log in to facebook with my username and password, it >>> produces my page. if I gave WordPress my facebook credentials it would post >>> to my facebook page and those posts would then appear on the facebook pages >>> of my friends. We don't know the username or password that we should give >>> WordPress so it would post to our page. I assume there must be a profile >>> that produces that page. Is there a way to determine the account >>> information for our page? We have admin access (and editor access, etc). >>> We can search for our page and update it, post to it manually, etc. but we >>> don't have the login credentials that would log into the profile for our >>> page.* >>> >>> Hope this helps. If not, maybe a phone call? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM Rich at tnr wrote: >>> >>>> your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page you have access to, >>>> then you can get to the admin panels that gives all that information. >>>> And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using (or if in WP.com) >>>> -- there are many different options. >>>> >>>> Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- almost anyone can >>>> post to any page BUT it might not be shown depending on the posters rights >>>> of page access, admin or what. In your last question it's about having >>>> admin access to the target page, do you or not ? >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My >>>> problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't know >>>> who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been unable to >>>> find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new FB account, is >>>> there a way to link it to an existing page to which I have admin access? >>>> TIA. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rich Roth >>>> CEO TnR Global >>>> >>>> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >>>> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >>>> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >>>> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >>>> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >>>> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >>>> >>>> -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Thu Jun 4 03:04:34 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 23:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <708a8436-cb27-9858-8ac9-2164d7f74f3a@tnrglobal.com> Nope there is none that comes with it - check the admin menu that says 'plugins' -- look for one that is marked enabled. UNLESS you are using wordpress.com - which I don't see indication of. Do you pay wordpress.com yearly ? if not, check with who setup your web site. Rich On 6/3/2020 4:53 PM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Ok, thanks. I don't know what WP addon I'm using. Maybe whatever came > with WordPress? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:30 PM Rich at tnr > wrote: > > David, you still have not told us what WP addon you are using - > that makes a difference in the setup > You appear to not be using WP.com but that's all I tell > > Also, you really need to keep this on the HT list (I added it) so > you can get input from others. > > As for phone calls, someone else might help you there - I don't. > > Rich > > On 6/3/2020 10:11 AM, David Greenberg wrote: >> OK, I undestand the login part. So how would I get the posts on >> our WordPress site to show up on our FB professional page, or is >> this not possible to do directly? I'm including Bob in this >> discussion, as it is he who most frequently posts to FB for us. >> In case this helps, our website is here: fccpr.us >> and our FB page is here: >> https://www.facebook.com/FCContinuingPoliticalRevolution/ >> >> Thanks, >> David >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:49 AM Christine Dutton >> > wrote: >> >> I think I see where the confusion is. You don't actually log >> into your page. You only log into your personal page and >> navigate over to your professional page. >> Any person who has Admin and Editor access is able to access >> the features?and perform tasks-but there is NO specific login >> for the FB page. >> Some orgs do create a "fake account" with the company name, >> but that is also only a personal page. >> *Christine Dutton* >> *Dutton Consulting * >> *413-626-6377* >> *Find me on Facebook here! >> * >> * >> * >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:53 AM David Greenberg >> > > wrote: >> >> Thank you both for your response. Not surprising that I >> was not as clear as I could be, as I, personally, do not >> use Facebook at all. Here is some text from one of the >> admins of our FB page: >> >> /We have a facebook page but do not know what facebook >> profile it represents. >> (again, I?m not sure if that is using the correct >> facebook terms). >> >> When I log in to facebook with my username and password, >> it produces my page. >> if I gave WordPress my facebook credentials it would post >> to my facebook page >> and those posts would then appear on the facebook pages >> of my friends. >> >> We don't know the username or password that we should >> give WordPress >> so it would post to our page.? I assume there must be a >> profile that produces that page. >> >> Is there a way to determine the account information for >> our page?? We have admin access >> (and editor access, etc).? We can search for our page and >> update it, post to it manually, etc. >> but we don't have the login credentials that would log >> into the profile for our page./ >> >> Hope this helps. If not, maybe a phone call? >> >> Thanks, >> David >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM Rich at tnr >> > wrote: >> >> your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page >> you have access to, then you can get to the admin >> panels that gives all that information. >> And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using >> (or if in WP.com) -- there are many different options. >> >> Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- >> almost anyone can post to any page BUT it might not >> be shown depending on the posters rights of page >> access, admin or what.? In your last question it's >> about having admin access to the target page, do you >> or not ? >> >> Rich >> >> On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via >> Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter >>> FB credentials. My problem is, although I have >>> access to the existing FB page, I don't know who set >>> it up and whose account it is linked to and I have >>> been unable to find out this information. My >>> question is: If I set up a new FB account, is there >>> a way to link it to an existing page to which I have >>> admin access? TIA. >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -- >> Rich Roth >> CEO TnR Global >> >> Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com >> Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com >> Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com >> And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com >> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >> Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com >> > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.greenberg3 at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:02:35 2020 From: david.greenberg3 at gmail.com (David Greenberg) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 08:02:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: <708a8436-cb27-9858-8ac9-2164d7f74f3a@tnrglobal.com> References: <16aefe8e-5570-8c68-8961-147fe76d6f0b@tnrglobal.com> <708a8436-cb27-9858-8ac9-2164d7f74f3a@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Jetpack seems the most likely I think. We also have Press This and Press This Extended enabled. Do any of these make sense? On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:04 PM Rich at tnr wrote: > Nope there is none that comes with it - check the admin menu that says > 'plugins' -- look for one that is marked enabled. > > UNLESS you are using wordpress.com - which I don't see indication of. > > Do you pay wordpress.com yearly ? if not, check with who setup your web > site. > > Rich > On 6/3/2020 4:53 PM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Ok, thanks. I don't know what WP addon I'm using. Maybe whatever came with > WordPress? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:30 PM Rich at tnr wrote: > >> David, you still have not told us what WP addon you are using - that >> makes a difference in the setup >> You appear to not be using WP.com but that's all I tell >> >> Also, you really need to keep this on the HT list (I added it) so you can >> get input from others. >> >> As for phone calls, someone else might help you there - I don't. >> >> Rich >> On 6/3/2020 10:11 AM, David Greenberg wrote: >> >> OK, I undestand the login part. So how would I get the posts on our >> WordPress site to show up on our FB professional page, or is this not >> possible to do directly? I'm including Bob in this discussion, as it is he >> who most frequently posts to FB for us. In case this helps, our website is >> here: fccpr.us and our FB page is here: >> https://www.facebook.com/FCContinuingPoliticalRevolution/ >> >> Thanks, >> David >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:49 AM Christine Dutton >> wrote: >> >>> I think I see where the confusion is. You don't actually log into your >>> page. You only log into your personal page and navigate over to your >>> professional page. >>> Any person who has Admin and Editor access is able to access the >>> features and perform tasks-but there is NO specific login for the FB page. >>> Some orgs do create a "fake account" with the company name, but that is >>> also only a personal page. >>> *Christine Dutton* >>> *Dutton Consulting * >>> *413-626-6377* >>> *Find me on Facebook here! * >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:53 AM David Greenberg < >>> david.greenberg3 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you both for your response. Not surprising that I was not as >>>> clear as I could be, as I, personally, do not use Facebook at all. Here is >>>> some text from one of the admins of our FB page: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *We have a facebook page but do not know what facebook profile it >>>> represents. (again, I?m not sure if that is using the correct facebook >>>> terms). When I log in to facebook with my username and password, it >>>> produces my page. if I gave WordPress my facebook credentials it would post >>>> to my facebook page and those posts would then appear on the facebook pages >>>> of my friends. We don't know the username or password that we should give >>>> WordPress so it would post to our page. I assume there must be a profile >>>> that produces that page. Is there a way to determine the account >>>> information for our page? We have admin access (and editor access, etc). >>>> We can search for our page and update it, post to it manually, etc. but we >>>> don't have the login credentials that would log into the profile for our >>>> page.* >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. If not, maybe a phone call? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> David >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM Rich at tnr wrote: >>>> >>>>> your question is inconsistent - if it is a FB page you have access to, >>>>> then you can get to the admin panels that gives all that information. >>>>> And you need to clarify which WP plugin you are using (or if in >>>>> WP.com) -- there are many different options. >>>>> >>>>> Your use of the word 'link' is also not meaningful -- almost anyone >>>>> can post to any page BUT it might not be shown depending on the posters >>>>> rights of page access, admin or what. In your last question it's about >>>>> having admin access to the target page, do you or not ? >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> On 6/2/2020 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My >>>>> problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't know >>>>> who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been unable to >>>>> find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new FB account, is >>>>> there a way to link it to an existing page to which I have admin access? >>>>> TIA. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>>> >>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rich Roth >>>>> CEO TnR Global >>>>> >>>>> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >>>>> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >>>>> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>>> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >>>>> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >>>>> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >>>>> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >> Rich Roth >> CEO TnR Global >> >> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. *If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no.* I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. Thanks, Mik -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Web designer needed Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 From: Sarmento Alves Domingos To: Michael Muller Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible http://www.missrebel.co.uk. The??site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller > wrote: Hi Sarmento, Can you provide more information? Thanks, Mik --- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: > Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able > to handle a website design for me ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: djieiikcpfacbmlb.png Type: image/png Size: 155770 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mchjaacgihikpfbf.png Type: image/png Size: 205308 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oahmococlbdlgcio.png Type: image/png Size: 186861 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bklee at azurelink.com Fri Jun 5 14:49:51 2020 From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:49:51 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress and FaceBook problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58BA5048-61E9-4862-B3E3-8715A9192CF0@azurelink.com> Hi David, As others have noted, find out what Facebook plugin you have installed in WP. Login to the admin and scroll down the left column and click on Plugins/Installed Plugins. Knowing which plugin will allow you to visit the developer?s site and learn about configuration details. As for Facebook, you ought to be able to find out who are the users with admin access to the Business page by visiting the Business Manager while logged into Facebook. Make sure you have the correct Page name selected in the top right part of the main menu bar. Accounts can have more than one business Page. https://business.facebook.com Once there, look under Users/People Hope that helps. Good luck. Best, Kimo PS: If you set up a new FB account, you would still have to add the new account as an admin in the same Business Manager account and then go through a change of verified Business Manager as a Page Owner. I think that?s the gist of it. https://www.facebook.com/help/1843115515813561?helpref=popular_topics AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting Joomla! Content Management System Implementation eCommerce Development ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Jun 2, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Greenberg via Hidden-discuss wrote: > WordPress will automatically post to FB if I enter FB credentials. My problem is, although I have access to the existing FB page, I don't know who set it up and whose account it is linked to and I have been unable to find out this information. My question is: If I set up a new FB account, is there a way to link it to an existing page to which I have admin access? TIA. > > David > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Fri Jun 5 15:10:09 2020 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> Message-ID: <20200605151009.4153F2247BF@sharky4.deepsoft.com> I regularly (and sometimes repeatedly) get E-Mails from people clearly from India who want me to outsource my custom programming services. These people are *very* agressive sales people -- they will keep sending E-mails over and over again. They seem not to be able to take no for an answer or refuse to be ignored. Not all of these are robots, but are sometimes some kind of automated E-Mail list blast, usually with a legit return E-Mail. They are probably legit, but not entirely savory... I also get E-Mails from SEO and E-Mail marketing companies, who also keep sending mail over and over again (if you don't respond in some way). Often replying with a *obscene* response is the only way to stop it. Or else, just blocking their IP network if they are not using a public freemail account (eg gmail, etc.) -- this is doable if you control your in-bound mail server (I do). *Sometimes* they have an unsubscribe link, but more often not. Again, possibly legit, but not entirely savory... Some of the SEO people are probably very gray area and some of the E-Mail marketing companies are really some sort of spammer service (what *I* call spam, but they might not agree...). At Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:25:48 -0400 Michael Muller wrote: > > Content-Language: en-US > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > > > > >

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Over the years I've received an innumerable > number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help > building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask > them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they > don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email > address attached to a domain name.

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On occasion I get a text from someone asking > if I could build them a website. The exact working typically > never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they > usually contact me:

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"Hello how are you doing,I will like to know > if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?"

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The punctuation and referral to "handle a > website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite > legit.

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The first time I got a text like this the > follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I > couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done > over text. Hmmm...
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They want specifically 5 pages, because they > can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to > do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, > linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right?

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The kicker is -- and this is where the > klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by > credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, > since they don't take credit cards.
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If you are ever contacted by anyone with > a similar request, just say no.

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I am passing this info along because not > only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email > (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be > forewarned.
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Here is the job details, well i have a small > clothing business for both male and female which i run here in > state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to > build an informational website for it for advertisement and to > increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but > i need something more perfect than this if its possible
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> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-ID: > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="djieiikcpfacbmlb.png" > > > This message contains data in an unrecognized format, image/png, > which is being decoded and written to the file named "/home/heller/Mail/Attachments/djieiikcpfacbmlb.png". > If you do not want this data, you probably should delete that file. > Wrote file /home/heller/Mail/Attachments/djieiikcpfacbmlb.png > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-ID: > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mchjaacgihikpfbf.png" > > > This message contains data in an unrecognized format, image/png, > which is being decoded and written to the file named "/home/heller/Mail/Attachments/mchjaacgihikpfbf.png". > If you do not want this data, you probably should delete that file. > Wrote file /home/heller/Mail/Attachments/mchjaacgihikpfbf.png > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-ID: > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="oahmococlbdlgcio.png" > > > This message contains data in an unrecognized format, image/png, > which is being decoded and written to the file named "/home/heller/Mail/Attachments/oahmococlbdlgcio.png". > If you do not want this data, you probably should delete that file. > Wrote file /home/heller/Mail/Attachments/oahmococlbdlgcio.png > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From clagier at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 15:39:29 2020 From: clagier at gmail.com (Christian Lagier) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:39:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Quizzing plug-in or service? Message-ID: Flash cards are commonly used in medical education. I work with a doc who has a significant 'question bank' looking for an online solution to offer quizzes. We've looked at LearnDash, a WordPress plug-in, but they are more focused on course creation rather than just quizzes and dashboard with results. * Do any of you have good ideas of other plug-ins or services out there that could be central to an online question databank for wilderness medicine? As always, thank you for any pointers! Christian Here are the detailed requirements he sent me. Definitely negotiable. - has a log in page where each user has a unique ID and password - is very simple and easy to use (kind of abstract, but basically user friendly) - the site would have a large bank of question that admin (myself and two other faculty members) could add questions to - The MOST important feature: a user could create their own exams/quizzes of varying sizes, various topics, and timed vs untimed. Basically have the ability for the user to create custom exams with a variety of topics and factors(for example: user could create a 10 question quiz or a 50 question quiz, timed or un-timed, could see answers immediately OR after exam is done. Also want to ability click certain topics and create quizzes that contain only 1 topic OR a variety of topics OR a random set of topics for that particular quiz so if the user only wanted to study hypothermia and frost bite questions there would be an option to generate a quiz with only those topics rather than randomly generated questions. Of course if they only wanted randomly generate questions it would do that by default) - questions would have the ability to show images - admin could create exams and "assign" them to users - ideally, but not make or break, there would be a homepage where user could see their progress broken down (ie, 74% pass rate overall, how many questions have you answered correctly vs wrong) that way they users can see what topics they are strong in and which they are weak in. Again this would be nice, but not a make or break. " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bram at greenfielddigital.com Fri Jun 5 16:52:25 2020 From: bram at greenfielddigital.com (Bram Moreinis) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 12:52:25 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Quizzing plug-in or service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quizlet handles ALL of this very elegantly, and is freemium. On 6/5/2020 11:39 AM, Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Flash cards are commonly used in medical education. I work with a doc > who has a significant 'question bank' looking for an online solution > to offer quizzes. We've looked at LearnDash, a WordPress plug-in, but > they are more focused on course creation rather than just quizzes and > dashboard with results. > * Do any of you have good ideas of other plug-ins or services out > there that could be central to an online question databank for > wilderness medicine? > As always, thank you for any pointers! > Christian > > Here are the detailed requirements he sent me. Definitely negotiable. > > * has a log in page where each user has a unique ID and password > * is very simple and easy to use (kind of abstract, but basically > user friendly) > * the site would have a large bank of question that admin (myself > and two other faculty members) could add questions to > * The MOST important feature: a user could create their own > exams/quizzes of varying sizes, various topics, and timed vs > untimed. Basically have the ability for the user to create custom > exams with a variety of topics and factors(for example: user could > create a 10 question quiz or a 50 question quiz, timed or > un-timed, could see answers immediately OR after exam is done. > Also want to ability click certain topics and create quizzes that > contain only 1 topic OR a variety of topics OR a random set of > topics for that particular quiz so if the user only wanted to > study hypothermia and frost bite questions there would be an > option to generate a quiz with only those topics rather than > randomly generated questions. Of course if they only wanted > randomly generate questions it would do that by default) > * questions would have the ability to show images > * admin could create exams and "assign" them to users > * ideally, but not make or break, there would be a homepage where > user could see their progress broken down (ie, 74% pass rate > overall, how many questions have you answered correctly vs wrong) > that way they users can see what topics they are strong in and > which they are weak in. Again this would be nice, but not a make > or break. " > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Fri Jun 5 20:21:37 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Quizzing plug-in or service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ccc7b73-79cf-e254-e895-1388ce3cd393@otherrealm.org> I think that the google forms do quizzes as well, I'm pretty sure it's free unless you want a custom email or other things, then the G-suite is just under $7/m for the cheapest version. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-06-05 12:52 PM, Bram Moreinis via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Quizlet handles ALL of this very elegantly, and is freemium. > > On 6/5/2020 11:39 AM, Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Flash cards are commonly used in medical education. I work with a doc >> who has a significant 'question bank' looking for an online solution >> to offer quizzes. We've looked at LearnDash, a WordPress plug-in, but >> they are more focused on course creation rather than just quizzes and >> dashboard with results. >> * Do any of you have good ideas of other plug-ins or services out >> there that could be central to an online question databank for >> wilderness medicine? >> As always, thank you for any pointers! >> Christian >> >> Here are the detailed requirements he sent me. Definitely negotiable. >> >> * has a log in page where each user has a unique ID and password >> * is very simple and easy to use (kind of abstract, but basically >> user friendly) >> * the site would have a large bank of question that admin (myself >> and two other faculty members) could add questions to >> * The MOST important feature: a user could create their own >> exams/quizzes of varying sizes, various topics, and timed vs >> untimed. Basically have the ability for the user to create custom >> exams with a variety of topics and factors(for example: user >> could create a 10 question quiz or a 50 question quiz, timed or >> un-timed, could see answers immediately OR after exam is done. >> Also want to ability click certain topics and create quizzes that >> contain only 1 topic OR a variety of topics OR a random set of >> topics for that particular quiz so if the user only wanted to >> study hypothermia and frost bite questions there would be an >> option to generate a quiz with only those topics rather than >> randomly generated questions. Of course if they only wanted >> randomly generate questions it would do that by default) >> * questions would have the ability to show images >> * admin could create exams and "assign" them to users >> * ideally, but not make or break, there would be a homepage where >> user could see their progress broken down (ie, 74% pass rate >> overall, how many questions have you answered correctly vs wrong) >> that way they users can see what topics they are strong in and >> which they are weak in. Again this would be nice, but not a make >> or break. 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In-Reply-To: <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> , <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use an app called Timesheet Works great Very easy to use Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaron at taylorwaldman.com Fri Jun 5 21:10:03 2020 From: aaron at taylorwaldman.com (Aaron Taylor-Waldman) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:10:03 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: I used OfficeTime (mac) for a while before switching to Harvest. Both have a desktop app timer that auto-detects inactivity in case you step away w/out turning off the timer. Both let you sync any timer to a project and generate basic reports, by project, clent etc. These are definitely both suitable for a freelancer, though Harvest is more expensive and may be overkill. FreshBooks also has timers, along w/ their accounting suite. On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:04 PM Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hello, > > Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours > as a freelancer, please? > > I would much appreciate any suggestions. > > Thank you? and have a good weekend! > > > ?Best wishes, > Sabine Merz > snmerz at gmail.com > Northampton > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you? and have a good weekend! ?Best wishes, Sabine Merz snmerz at gmail.com Northampton _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From tomadams at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 21:59:20 2020 From: tomadams at gmail.com (tom's gmail) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:59:20 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> References: <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33C009B0-4364-4D48-A803-1210D57FB347@gmail.com> I?ve been using Timewerks for the past 5 years or so. Really happy with it: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/timewerks-mobile-billing/id290385321 And ixepensit for receipt tracking: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ixpenseit/id284947174 Regards, Tom Adams, Director/Owner www.ReelifeProductions.com http://Folktography.zenfolio.com ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707) > On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > ?Hello, > > Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours > as a freelancer, please? > > I would much appreciate any suggestions. > > Thank you? and have a good weekend! > > > ?Best wishes, > Sabine Merz > snmerz at gmail.com > Northampton > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Fri Jun 5 22:01:40 2020 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 18:01:40 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you're on a Mac, I like Time Tagger from Matterform, though I haven't been able to get support in a while and couldn't get it on my current Mac. I haven't found a PC program that allows tracking in less than 15-minute round numbers, which is useless for my purposes. So I just look at my start and stop times and write it down on a paper timesheet, one notebook page per client. Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:50 PM Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hello, > > Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours > as a freelancer, please? > > I would much appreciate any suggestions. > > Thank you? and have a good weekend! > > > ?Best wishes, > Sabine Merz > snmerz at gmail.com > Northampton > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krystyobolyte at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 23:05:04 2020 From: krystyobolyte at gmail.com (Kristi) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:05:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use program called Chrometa, it does automatic time tracking. I like it a lot and their customer support has been great. Chrometa dot com It also integrates with quite a few other programs, including Quickbooks which I use for billing purposes. It's kind of like "big brother watches you" but it works very well for me. Kristi A. Bodin Montague, MA c: 413-695-9848 krystyobolyte at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristibodin https://twitter.com/KABESQ http://KABESQ.com Legal Solutions in Plain English On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:51 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I used OfficeTime (mac) for a while before switching to Harvest. Both have > a desktop app timer that auto-detects inactivity in case you step > away w/out turning off the timer. Both let you sync any timer to a project > and generate basic reports, by project, clent etc. These are definitely > both suitable for a freelancer, though Harvest is more expensive and may be > overkill. FreshBooks also has timers, along w/ their accounting suite. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:04 PM Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours >> as a freelancer, please? >> >> I would much appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thank you? and have a good weekend! >> >> >> ?Best wishes, >> Sabine Merz >> snmerz at gmail.com >> Northampton >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmaterialized at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 23:33:04 2020 From: dmaterialized at gmail.com (DM Cook) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:33:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: Toggl is wonderful, free, online so accessible from anywhere, and effortless. I?ve never looked back. On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:51 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I used OfficeTime (mac) for a while before switching to Harvest. Both have > a desktop app timer that auto-detects inactivity in case you step > away w/out turning off the timer. Both let you sync any timer to a project > and generate basic reports, by project, clent etc. These are definitely > both suitable for a freelancer, though Harvest is more expensive and may be > overkill. FreshBooks also has timers, along w/ their accounting suite. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:04 PM Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours >> as a freelancer, please? >> >> I would much appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thank you? and have a good weekend! >> >> >> ?Best wishes, >> Sabine Merz >> snmerz at gmail.com >> Northampton >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- DM Cook Instructional Designer & Technical Writer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From natederose at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 00:28:25 2020 From: natederose at gmail.com (Nate DeRose) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 20:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? In-Reply-To: References: <699015711.46260.1590526244207.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <699015711.46260.1590526244207@mail.yahoo.com> <9A35C43A-90F9-4F6F-B6BF-16C78F45F820@swinggraphics.com> <4776DD20-F77E-4359-A4A0-E9A01D7C6E80@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm a big fan of Harvest, personally. It's free for 2 projects, so you can try it out to see what you think, but I've been using it for several years now and really like the functionality. On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:51 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I used OfficeTime (mac) for a while before switching to Harvest. Both have > a desktop app timer that auto-detects inactivity in case you step > away w/out turning off the timer. Both let you sync any timer to a project > and generate basic reports, by project, clent etc. These are definitely > both suitable for a freelancer, though Harvest is more expensive and may be > overkill. FreshBooks also has timers, along w/ their accounting suite. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:04 PM Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours >> as a freelancer, please? >> >> I would much appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thank you? and have a good weekend! >> >> >> ?Best wishes, >> Sabine Merz >> snmerz at gmail.com >> Northampton >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lrosedesign at comcast.net Sat Jun 6 01:21:59 2020 From: lrosedesign at comcast.net (Lisa Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 21:21:59 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> Message-ID: <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was supposedly under construction. They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no it didn?t. 4 emails into the conversation: The guy, Mike Powell: Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that?s ok with you ! Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned processors for now. You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. .............. Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. Lisa Rosenthal Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hey all web people on the HT list... > > Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address attached to a domain name. > > On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: > > "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?" > > The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. > > The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... > > They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? > > The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. > > If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no. > > I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. > > Thanks, > > Mik > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Web designer needed > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 > From: Sarmento Alves Domingos > To: Michael Muller > > > Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible > > http://www.missrebel.co.uk. > > The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. > > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller wrote: >> Hi Sarmento, >> >> Can you provide more information? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mik >> >> --- >> Mik Muller, president >> Montague WebWorks >> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >> 413-320-5336 >> http://MontagueWebWorks.com >> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ? > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Sat Jun 6 02:46:17 2020 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20200606024617.EDAFC224763@sharky4.deepsoft.com> There is actually a very *old* scam (almost as old as the clasic Nigerian scam). Some party will ask you to supply something that costs, say $10, but the only way that they can pay is with a check for $1000 and they want you to deposit this check, and send them $990 change. Of course the check is a rubber check and you are out the $990... *I* was even sent one of these checks. I deposited it in my wood stove, and did get a few caleries of warmth out of it. At Fri, 5 Jun 2020 21:21:59 -0400 Lisa Rosenthal wrote: > > > > This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was supposedly under construction. > > They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no it didn????????????t. > > 4 emails into the conversation: > The guy, Mike Powell: > Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I????????????ll like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that????????????s ok with you ! > > Me: I don????????????t have a Quickbooks account so I don????????????t think that payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? > > Mike Powell: I????????????m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to some bad experiences I????????????ve encountered using it in recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned processors for now. > You can look up for Quickbooks online . It????????????s easy and simple to set up. > .............. > > Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? > > I just said I wasn????????????t interested and left it at that. > > Lisa Rosenthal > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > > Hey all web people on the HT list... > > > > Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address attached to a domain name. > > > > On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: > > > > "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?" > > > > The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. > > > > The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... > > > > They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? > > > > The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. > > > > If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no. > > > > I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mik > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Re: Web designer needed > > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 > > From: Sarmento Alves Domingos > > To: Michael Muller > > > > > > Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible > > > > http://www.missrebel.co.uk. > > > > The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller wrote: > >> Hi Sarmento, > >> > >> Can you provide more information? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mik > >> > >> --- > >> Mik Muller, president > >> Montague WebWorks > >> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA > >> 413-320-5336 > >> http://MontagueWebWorks.com > >> Powered by ROCKETFUSION > >>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: > >>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ? > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From bklee at azurelink.com Sat Jun 6 10:36:55 2020 From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 06:36:55 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> Message-ID: <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> Hi Lisa, A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you via credit card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a ?project consultant? for the amount of the overpayment. As described by Mik. If you process the cc payment, you become an accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? being ?hearing impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at a freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job through the Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The mere suggestion of that and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! Best, Kimo AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting Joomla! Content Management System Implementation eCommerce Development ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 249 Wallace Hill Rd Townsend, MA 01469 (413) 204-1763 For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss wrote: > This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was supposedly under construction. > > They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no it didn?t. > > 4 emails into the conversation: > The guy, Mike Powell: > Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that?s ok with you ! > > Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? > > Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned processors for now. > You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. > .............. > > Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? > > I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. > > Lisa Rosenthal > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > >> Hey all web people on the HT list... >> >> Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address attached to a domain name. >> >> On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: >> >> "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?" >> >> The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. >> >> The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... >> >> They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? >> >> The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. >> >> If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no. >> >> I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mik >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Web designer needed >> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 >> From: Sarmento Alves Domingos >> To: Michael Muller >> >> Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible >> >> http://www.missrebel.co.uk. >> >> The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller wrote: >> Hi Sarmento, >> >> Can you provide more information? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mik >> --- >> Mik Muller, president >> Montague WebWorks >> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >> 413-320-5336 >> http://MontagueWebWorks.com >> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No need for anything else. https://www.officetime.net/ Annamarie On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:50, Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hello, > > Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working > hours > as a freelancer, please? > > I would much appreciate any suggestions. > > Thank you? and have a good weekend! > > > ?Best wishes, > Sabine Merz > snmerz at gmail.com > Northampton > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From lrosedesign at comcast.net Sat Jun 6 13:09:53 2020 From: lrosedesign at comcast.net (Lisa Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 09:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> Message-ID: Hi Kimo, Yes I think this was a similar scam, some of the English seemed off as well. The only difference seems to be a payment or over payment through Quickbooks. Thanks for sharing your blog post. Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2020, at 6:36 AM, B. Kimo Lee wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you via credit card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a ?project consultant? for the amount of the overpayment. As described by Mik. If you process the cc payment, you become an accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? being ?hearing impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam > > Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at a freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job through the Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The mere suggestion of that and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! > > Best, > Kimo > > > AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting > Joomla! Content Management System Implementation > eCommerce Development > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 249 Wallace Hill Rd > Townsend, MA 01469 > (413) 204-1763 > For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com > Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was supposedly under construction. >> >> They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no it didn?t. >> >> 4 emails into the conversation: >> The guy, Mike Powell: >> Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that?s ok with you ! >> >> Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? >> >> Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned processors for now. >> You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. >> .............. >> >> Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? >> >> I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. >> >> Lisa Rosenthal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Hey all web people on the HT list... >>> >>> Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address attached to a domain name. >>> >>> On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: >>> >>> "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?" >>> >>> The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. >>> >>> The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... >>> >>> They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? >>> >>> The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. >>> >>> If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no. >>> >>> I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: Web designer needed >>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 >>> From: Sarmento Alves Domingos >>> To: Michael Muller >>> >>> >>> Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible >>> >>> http://www.missrebel.co.uk. >>> >>> The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller wrote: >>>> Hi Sarmento, >>>> >>>> Can you provide more information? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mik >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Mik Muller, president >>>> Montague WebWorks >>>> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >>>> 413-320-5336 >>>> http://MontagueWebWorks.com >>>> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >>>>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>>>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmoreinis at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 14:23:29 2020 From: bmoreinis at gmail.com (Bram Moreinis) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Keeping track of my freelance hours? Message-ID: <232503FF-245D-4763-8018-738C1953E527@gmail.com> ?Harvestapp.com is freemium (don?t be deterred by the Trial period) and integrates nicely with freemium Asana for task management. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. > On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Annamarie Pluhar via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > ?I found OfficeTime many many years ago. Love it. No need for anything else. https://www.officetime.net/ > > Annamarie > >>> On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:50, Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Hello, >> Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours >> as a freelancer, please? >> I would much appreciate any suggestions. >> Thank you? and have a good weekend! >> ?Best wishes, >> Sabine Merz >> snmerz at gmail.com >> Northampton >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From bmoreinis at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 14:23:37 2020 From: bmoreinis at gmail.com (Bram Moreinis) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:23:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Quizzing plug-in or service? Message-ID: ? ?Quizlet infinitely easier, more powerful, does everything she asked for even in the free version. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: > ? I think that the google forms do quizzes as well, I'm pretty sure it's free unless you want a custom email or other things, then the G-suite is just under $7/m for the cheapest version. > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > On 2020-06-05 12:52 PM, Bram Moreinis via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Quizlet handles ALL of this very elegantly, and is freemium. >> >> On 6/5/2020 11:39 AM, Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Flash cards are commonly used in medical education. I work with a doc who has a significant 'question bank' looking for an online solution to offer quizzes. We've looked at LearnDash, a WordPress plug-in, but they are more focused on course creation rather than just quizzes and dashboard with results. >>> * Do any of you have good ideas of other plug-ins or services out there that could be central to an online question databank for wilderness medicine? >>> As always, thank you for any pointers! >>> Christian >>> >>> Here are the detailed requirements he sent me. Definitely negotiable. >>> has a log in page where each user has a unique ID and password >>> is very simple and easy to use (kind of abstract, but basically user friendly) >>> the site would have a large bank of question that admin (myself and two other faculty members) could add questions to >>> The MOST important feature: a user could create their own exams/quizzes of varying sizes, various topics, and timed vs untimed. Basically have the ability for the user to create custom exams with a variety of topics and factors(for example: user could create a 10 question quiz or a 50 question quiz, timed or un-timed, could see answers immediately OR after exam is done. Also want to ability click certain topics and create quizzes that contain only 1 topic OR a variety of topics OR a random set of topics for that particular quiz so if the user only wanted to study hypothermia and frost bite questions there would be an option to generate a quiz with only those topics rather than randomly generated questions. Of course if they only wanted randomly generate questions it would do that by default) >>> questions would have the ability to show images >>> admin could create exams and "assign" them to users >>> ideally, but not make or break, there would be a homepage where user could see their progress broken down (ie, 74% pass rate overall, how many questions have you answered correctly vs wrong) that way they users can see what topics they are strong in and which they are weak in. Again this would be nice, but not a make or break. " >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bklee at azurelink.com Sun Jun 7 11:56:35 2020 From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 07:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> Message-ID: <5DB5C7EF-A454-4E5F-B27D-F03EF6E0A1C2@azurelink.com> Hi Lisa, And thanks to you for sharing this, too! I?m not sure, but if its a scam it might be that the guy has setup a fake Quickbooks site and could be phishing for your login info, somewhere down the line. One plus is that he hasn?t ?yet? asked for a payment to some other individual. I seem to recall that the scam I mentioned below involved a 2-day period while the banks process transactions during which the scammer can cancel things, or somehow get the money and run, or something like that. I googled "quickbooks web design scam? and got some interesting results. You can also send the email to spoof at quickbooks.com and see what they say. Good to be aware of what scammers are doing. It?s such a wild west out there. Best, Kimo On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Lisa Rosenthal wrote: > Hi Kimo, > > Yes I think this was a similar scam, some of the English seemed off as well. The only difference seems to be a payment or over payment through Quickbooks. > > Thanks for sharing your blog post. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 6:36 AM, B. Kimo Lee wrote: > >> Hi Lisa, >> >> A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you via credit card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a ?project consultant? for the amount of the overpayment. As described by Mik. If you process the cc payment, you become an accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? being ?hearing impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam >> >> Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at a freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job through the Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The mere suggestion of that and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! >> >> Best, >> Kimo >> >> >> AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting >> Joomla! Content Management System Implementation >> eCommerce Development >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 249 Wallace Hill Rd >> Townsend, MA 01469 >> (413) 204-1763 >> For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com >> Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >>> This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was supposedly under construction. >>> >>> They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no it didn?t. >>> >>> 4 emails into the conversation: >>> The guy, Mike Powell: >>> Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that?s ok with you ! >>> >>> Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? >>> >>> Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned processors for now. >>> You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. >>> .............. >>> >>> Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? >>> >>> I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. >>> >>> Lisa Rosenthal >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all web people on the HT list... >>>> >>>> Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address attached to a domain name. >>>> >>>> On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: >>>> >>>> "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ?" >>>> >>>> The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. >>>> >>>> The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... >>>> >>>> They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? >>>> >>>> The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. >>>> >>>> If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no. >>>> >>>> I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: Web designer needed >>>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 >>>> From: Sarmento Alves Domingos >>>> To: Michael Muller >>>> >>>> Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the business and i want you to build an informational website for it for advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible >>>> >>>> http://www.missrebel.co.uk. >>>> >>>> The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller wrote: >>>> Hi Sarmento, >>>> >>>> Can you provide more information? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mik >>>> --- >>>> Mik Muller, president >>>> Montague WebWorks >>>> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >>>> 413-320-5336 >>>> http://MontagueWebWorks.com >>>> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >>>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>>>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to handle a website design for me ? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No need for anything else. https://www.officetime.net/ > > Annamarie > > On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:50, Sabine Merz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Can you suggest an easy to use software to keep track of my working hours >> as a freelancer, please? >> >> I would much appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thank you? and have a good weekend! >> >> >> ?Best wishes, >> Sabine Merz >> snmerz at gmail.com >> Northampton >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From izzygesell at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 22:36:20 2020 From: izzygesell at yahoo.com (Izzy G) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 22:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] alternative to Eventbrite? References: <1159264876.462228.1591569380439.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1159264876.462228.1591569380439@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Am looking for alternatives to Eventbrite, especially one that allows for a listing of a 2 part program, with each part a week apart. Eventbrite makes it look like the event starts at the beginning of week one and lasts for 7 days. Alternative is to have 2 events with separate pricing, which is not what I need. As always, grateful for your insights.Izzy ?Izzy Gesell, M.ED, CSP (Certified SpeakingProfessional)Organization Alchemist, Humorologist,Facilitator, Keynoter, Author413-2224142, PO Box 89, Huntington, MA 01050 New on LinkedIn Learning- Purchase individual courses. My courses:"Leading with Applied Improv":?http://bit.ly/2PkuKPk"Humor in the? Workplace"-?http://bit.ly/2ZzQhDt"Building Your Team"-?http://bit.ly/345JsNp? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Free one month trial for ALL 13,000? 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URL: From alan at 8wheels.org Mon Jun 8 14:34:30 2020 From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 10:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Problems with AWS API and CORS In-Reply-To: References: <788184a8b2677beede82d48cf34828de@8wheels.org> Message-ID: Hi, I am a newbie with AWS (learning it via acloudguru.com, where I posted my question a few days ago and have gotten no responses) and am running into problems with CORS; specifically, I am getting an error when my JS code attempts to call my API: "Access to XMLHttpRequest at 'https://.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/default' from origin 'https://s3.amazonaws.com' has been blocked by CORS policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource." There is a huge amount of information out there, but most of it appears to be either irrelevant or over my head. I did figure out that I might be able to look at an access log to see what is going on. I found the instructions on setting this up (https://docs.aws.amazon.com/apigateway/latest/developerguide/set-up-logging.html#set-up-access-logging-using-console), but they tell me to "Sign in to the API Gateway console, select an API, choose Settings from the primary navigation panel, and enter an ARN in CloudWatch log role ARN." However, this field does not seem to exist. I have provided this feedback to AWS, but am not expecting a timely response. I'd be grateful for any help. --Alan From rich at tnrglobal.com Mon Jun 8 15:58:23 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 11:58:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Problems with AWS API and CORS In-Reply-To: References: <788184a8b2677beede82d48cf34828de@8wheels.org> Message-ID: <8d7cc495-497f-28ec-cf96-dc20b6b1f030@tnrglobal.com> I've seen this problem when trying to get images using javascript, the answer tends to be add the option no-cors. I've done it using fetch - don't see that xhttp has the option, like this:| options ={|| ??? method:'GET',||mode:'no-cors'||};|| fetch(url,options).then(response =>response.blob())| || |...... | However since you are saying it's a server you control at AWS then more specific detail is needed to be more help. Esp since there are many AWS services, which one is important. Here is a more detailed explanation of cors itself, which I'll guess you've already seen: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS Rich On 6/8/2020 10:34 AM, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi, > > I am a newbie with AWS (learning it via acloudguru.com, where I posted > my question a few days ago and have gotten no responses) and am > running into problems with CORS; specifically, I am getting an error > when my JS code attempts to call my API: "Access to XMLHttpRequest at > 'https://.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/default' from > origin 'https://s3.amazonaws.com' has been blocked by CORS policy: No > 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested > resource." > > There is a huge amount of information out there, but most of it > appears to be either irrelevant or over my head.? I did figure out > that I might be able to look at an access log to see what is going > on.? I found the instructions on setting this up > (https://docs.aws.amazon.com/apigateway/latest/developerguide/set-up-logging.html#set-up-access-logging-using-console), > but they tell me to "Sign in to the API Gateway console, select an > API, choose Settings from the primary navigation panel, and enter an > ARN in CloudWatch log role ARN."? However, this field does not seem to > exist.? 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URL: From debchandler411 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 17:05:20 2020 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * * RANT warning: Blocking robocalls and spam on a copperwire landline phone account? * * * * Message-ID: Hi folks, Has anyone had success in blocking spam and robocalls on a traditional landline with an UNLISTED phone number with Verizon? I have been getting way more unwanted calls than wanted ones, and this is even though the Verizon rep assured me my number hadn't been used for around 6 years. When the problem started, I called Verizon, and they said that their landlines cannot be signed up for the Nomorobo program, nor can they block numbers. (Again, to be clear, this is a copper line, NOT Fios or fiber optic or any other internet-based service; it is an old fashioned landline with the modular jacks in the wall, in case it matters) Verizon also said they have "no way to look up the numbers from where these calls are coming"; I can only dial *69 and write them down in my own chicken scratching, which is not exactly any way to provide evidence to any body. Such a load of malarkey, SMDH.) I do not have the option of having Fios or fiber optic here where I live, and I have no interest in having a phone with Comcast, who gets nearly $100/mo from me for just internet service. I also want a landline that will work if the power goes out, and copper is the only one that will, unless I get into 2-way radios and walkie-talkies, which is on my list, to be honest. Examples of calls I keep getting: ? someone with a thick accent saying they are going to autorenew my Amazon Prime account at $39.99/month (I boycott Amazon altogether) ? someone offering me solutions to pay off my credit card (I don't have any credit cards, and never have) ? someone offering me an extended warranty on my car (I don't have a warranty, and never have. I bought my car used and only had the Lemon Law coverage, and that was around 8 years ago) ? political candidate campaigners (I am not registered to vote, let alone align with any political party) Some calls are for Chicopee candidates, and I don't even live in Chicopee. ? many, many hang-up calls This is a hassle that I would like to resolve soon. (Anyone else getting sick and tired of spending your days researching solutions to problems that require advanced knowledge of technology, and that are perpetrated by unethical scum that get away with eluding law enforcement? I am. Yelling obscenities into the phone does absolutely no good; these people have no heart or soul and furthermore, they are mostly robots anyway.) The reason I got a landline is because my (fairly new, Samsung Galaxy S8+) smartphone with Verizon service is getting worse and worse reception even in my home where I have used it all along, and I will be damned if I will succumb to buying a 5G-enabled phone with any song and dance promise about it providing a faster, better, smarter signal. Ain't gonna happen. I prefer to hold onto the healthy cells I still have in my body, thanks. (And no other provider's cell signal works where I live; I have investigated that, too. Westover is only 2 miles away and I think are somehow adversely affecting cellphone reception here, but good luck finding a straight answer to that query) Thanks in advance for any and all help on this, Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example with a Python/Flask REST API I defined: CORS(app, resources={r"/rest/*": {"origins": app.config['CORS_WHITELIST'], "supports_credentials": True }, r"/api/*": {"origins": app.config['CORS_WHITELIST'], "supports_credentials": True} }); This allows requests with URIs of /rest or /api to be accepted from a different origin than the server. I do remember reading that some of the Javascript functions have various levels of CORS support. There's a full discussion of how to do it with XMLHttpRequest here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS I've done it with the Fetch API like: fetch(url, { method: 'get', mode: 'cors', credentials: 'include' }).then(x => x.json()) .then(json => console.log("JSON in response to GET is " , json)); } I struggled for a while with this on Heroku. It is important that you verify that your server side API is going to allowllow your requests coming from your Javascript origin. On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:58 AM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I've seen this problem when trying to get images using javascript, the > answer tends to be add the option no-cors. > I've done it using fetch - don't see that xhttp has the option, like this: > > options = { > method: 'GET', mode: 'no-cors' }; > > fetch(url, options).then(response => response.blob()) > > ...... > > However since you are saying it's a server you control at AWS then more > specific detail is needed to be more help. > Esp since there are many AWS services, which one is important. > > Here is a more detailed explanation of cors itself, which I'll guess > you've already seen: > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS > > Rich > On 6/8/2020 10:34 AM, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hi, > > I am a newbie with AWS (learning it via acloudguru.com, where I posted my > question a few days ago and have gotten no responses) and am running into > problems with CORS; specifically, I am getting an error when my JS code > attempts to call my API: "Access to XMLHttpRequest at 'https://. > execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/default' from origin ' > https://s3.amazonaws.com' has been blocked by CORS policy: No > 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource." > > There is a huge amount of information out there, but most of it appears to > be either irrelevant or over my head. I did figure out that I might be > able to look at an access log to see what is going on. I found the > instructions on setting this up ( > https://docs.aws.amazon.com/apigateway/latest/developerguide/set-up-logging.html#set-up-access-logging-using-console), > but they tell me to "Sign in to the API Gateway console, select an API, > choose Settings from the primary navigation panel, and enter an ARN in > CloudWatch log role ARN." However, this field does not seem to exist. I > have provided this feedback to AWS, but am not expecting a timely response. > > I'd be grateful for any help. > > --Alan > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- David Marshall http://davidmarshall.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at deltafactory.com Mon Jun 8 18:00:58 2020 From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Problems with AWS API and CORS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ff73a23-5ec9-c0b2-1e31-fa2c736fcb12@deltafactory.com> The documentation around CORS is wildly complex. The short version: Certain types of page elements require "permission" from the third party resource (the XHR target) in order to use their data. The page on which the script is called/referenced is the Origin. The fix is to add the header to the API response, either within the code or within the API endpoint handler (if that's an option - I don't recall.) Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * The browser sees the header when making the XHR request and knows that the answer is * = Anybody. This is all that's needed for the remote resource (your API) to "grant" access to the origin (the page being rendered by your browser, hosted at the S3 domain.) If you would like to whitelist a specific domain then you could respond with that domain instead of *. Allowing a limited but set of multiple domains would require a little more dev. From heller at deepsoft.com Tue Jun 9 00:03:36 2020 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 20:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * * RANT warning: Blocking robocalls and spam on a copperwire landline phone account? * * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200609000336.691A7223D59@sharky4.deepsoft.com> The only solution is get Caller ID and a Caller ID box (if you don't have "modern" phones with Caller ID). (I got a cheap little unit off Amazon.) When the phone rings, check the caller id. If it is not someone you know or has other anomulious featured (name unavailable or something), DON'T ANSWER IT. There are also "special" answering machines available that force a caller to press a key before they will ring through. Ultimately / eventually, fiber optic telecom with completely replace the copper system and the copper system will be gone. This will be true, even in the "big towns" that are now served by the likes of Comcast. It will just take awhile... At Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:05:20 -0400 Deborah Chandler wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Has anyone had success in blocking spam and robocalls on a traditional > landline with an UNLISTED phone number with Verizon? I have been getting > way more unwanted calls than wanted ones, and this is even though the > Verizon rep assured me my number hadn't been used for around 6 years. > > When the problem started, I called Verizon, and they said that their > landlines cannot be signed up for the Nomorobo program, nor can they block > numbers. (Again, to be clear, this is a copper line, NOT Fios or fiber > optic or any other internet-based service; it is an old fashioned landline > with the modular jacks in the wall, in case it matters) Verizon also said > they have "no way to look up the numbers from where these calls are > coming"; I can only dial *69 and write them down in my own chicken > scratching, which is not exactly any way to provide evidence to any body. > Such a load of malarkey, SMDH.) I do not have the option of having Fios or > fiber optic here where I live, and I have no interest in having a phone > with Comcast, who gets nearly $100/mo from me for just internet service. I > also want a landline that will work if the power goes out, and copper is > the only one that will, unless I get into 2-way radios and walkie-talkies, > which is on my list, to be honest. > > Examples of calls I keep getting: > ???????????? someone with a thick accent saying they are going to autorenew my Amazon > Prime account at $39.99/month (I boycott Amazon altogether) > ???????????? someone offering me solutions to pay off my credit card (I don't have any > credit cards, and never have) > ???????????? someone offering me an extended warranty on my car (I don't have a > warranty, and never have. I bought my car used and only had the Lemon Law > coverage, and that was around 8 years ago) > ???????????? political candidate campaigners (I am not registered to vote, let alone > align with any political party) Some calls are for Chicopee candidates, and > I don't even live in Chicopee. > ???????????? many, many hang-up calls > > This is a hassle that I would like to resolve soon. (Anyone else getting > sick and tired of spending your days researching solutions to problems that > require advanced knowledge of technology, and that are perpetrated by > unethical scum that get away with eluding law enforcement? I am. Yelling > obscenities into the phone does absolutely no good; these people have no > heart or soul and furthermore, they are mostly robots anyway.) > > The reason I got a landline is because my (fairly new, Samsung Galaxy S8+) > smartphone with Verizon service is getting worse and worse reception even > in my home where I have used it all along, and I will be damned if I will > succumb to buying a 5G-enabled phone with any song and dance promise about > it providing a faster, better, smarter signal. Ain't gonna happen. I prefer > to hold onto the healthy cells I still have in my body, thanks. (And no > other provider's cell signal works where I live; I have investigated that, > too. Westover is only 2 miles away and I think are somehow adversely > affecting cellphone reception here, but good luck finding a straight answer > to that query) > > Thanks in advance for any and all help on this, > Deb > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From aliassolutions at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 02:47:01 2020 From: aliassolutions at gmail.com (Paul Stallman) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 22:47:01 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: <5DB5C7EF-A454-4E5F-B27D-F03EF6E0A1C2@azurelink.com> References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> <5DB5C7EF-A454-4E5F-B27D-F03EF6E0A1C2@azurelink.com> Message-ID: I get hit with this scam almost weekly. Or a variation. It's either a logo design, or some printing, or designing a catalog, or a website for a farming operation. It's all the same, take a credit card and they get you to write a check to someone. It's the same as computer/IT people (and I've known multiple) get caught in the scam of ordering computers and shipping them to a person/business and the card is fraudulent. That's happened to at least 3 IT businesses I've worked with. I also know a guy that sent $5000 to someone from this website scam. Some of them are very convincing. For one, I almost never get a new business inquiry (real inquiry) via text. Who would start that way. "I don't know you or know this number I'm texting for your business is a cell phone, but I'll try texting to hire you." Every once in a while I get suckered for a little bit if the person is good at dragging the con on for a while. Because I never want to answer rudely to a possible real new client. Since the scam now is credit card based, I lead a lot with "we don't take credit cards". But we do of course, but that usually gets them to go away. Although I had one try to convince me to sign up with a company to take credit cards, just so I could work with him. :). That one I led on for days and played with. *Paul Stallman,* Owner, Creative Director and Web Guru (413) 364-6147 | paul at alias-solutions.com *alias*|solutions GRAPHIC DESIGN | WEB DESIGN | FULL COLOR PRINTING | LARGE FORMAT PRINTING www.alias-solutions.com [image: Mailtrack] Sender notified by Mailtrack 06/08/20, 10:39:55 PM On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:56 AM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > And thanks to you for sharing this, too! I?m not sure, but if its a scam > it might be that the guy has setup a fake Quickbooks site and could be > phishing for your login info, somewhere down the line. One plus is that he > hasn?t ?yet? asked for a payment to some other individual. > > I seem to recall that the scam I mentioned below involved a 2-day period > while the banks process transactions during which the scammer can cancel > things, or somehow get the money and run, or something like that. I googled > "quickbooks web design scam? and got some interesting results. > > You can also send the email to spoof at quickbooks.com and see what they say. > > Good to be aware of what scammers are doing. It?s such a wild west out > there. > > Best, > Kimo > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Lisa Rosenthal > wrote: > > Hi Kimo, > > Yes I think this was a similar scam, some of the English seemed off as > well. The only difference seems to be a payment or over payment through > Quickbooks. > > Thanks for sharing your blog post. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 6:36 AM, B. Kimo Lee wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you via credit > card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a ?project consultant? for > the amount of the overpayment. As described by Mik. If you process the cc > payment, you become an accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? > being ?hearing impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: > http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam > > Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at a > freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job through the > Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The mere suggestion of that > and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! > > Best, > Kimo > > > AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting > Joomla! Content Management System Implementation > eCommerce Development > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 249 Wallace Hill Rd > Townsend, MA 01469 > (413) 204-1763 > For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com > Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. > They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a > Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the > photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as > a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was > supposedly under construction. > > They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I > went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then > what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there > or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to > ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both > said no it didn?t. > > 4 emails into the conversation: > The guy, Mike Powell: > Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll > like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me > an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me > know if that?s ok with you ! > > Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment method > will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? > > Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to > some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was > advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned > processors for now. > You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. > .............. > > Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? > > I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. > > Lisa Rosenthal > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > Hey all web people on the HT list... > > Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- > mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I > just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, > and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a > email address attached to a domain name. > > On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a > website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always > the same. This is how they usually contact me: > > "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to > handle a website design for me ?" > > The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me > to believe this isn't quite legit. > > The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person > was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole > thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... > > They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's > already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put > them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick > money, right? > > The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the > scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their > designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. > > *If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no.* > > I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from > this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh > expletives, so be forewarned. > > Thanks, > > Mik > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Web designer needed > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 > From: Sarmento Alves Domingos > > To: Michael Muller > > Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both > male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the > business and i want you to build an informational website for it for > advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out > this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible > > http://www.missrebel.co.uk. > > The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an > estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have > not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project > consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller > wrote: > >> Hi Sarmento, >> >> Can you provide more information? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mik >> >> --- >> Mik Muller, president >> Montague WebWorks >> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com >> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >> >> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >> >> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to >> handle a website design for me ? >> >> _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aliassolutions at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 14:28:02 2020 From: aliassolutions at gmail.com (Paul Stallman) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> <5DB5C7EF-A454-4E5F-B27D-F03EF6E0A1C2@azurelink.com> Message-ID: CASE IN POINT::::::::::: Email I just got. Be careful people they latch on to everything. Hello Good day.. My name is Mr Gerald Crawford with the gerald cooperatives Inc And i am sending this email to your business in regards to the order for some Flyers with the following specs. 1. measures 8.5 x 11 2. 80# Gloss Text or 100# Gloss Text 3. One sided 4. Full copies Black Ink on White 5. Flat flyer?s l want you to write off the flyer?s ( HELP STOP RACISM ) For the Artwork. 6. No Bleed And Please provide a quote on 80,000 copies and please send me an email reply back with the Estimate price of that plus tax without shipping .Advise me the method of payment you accept.I will be Looking forward to hearing back from you so that we can proceed with the Order . ????????????????- Urgently waiting to hear from you soon. Thank you. Best Regards Gerald Crawford . *Paul Stallman,* Owner, Creative Director and Web Guru (413) 364-6147 | paul at alias-solutions.com *alias*|solutions GRAPHIC DESIGN | WEB DESIGN | FULL COLOR PRINTING | LARGE FORMAT PRINTING www.alias-solutions.com [image: Mailtrack] Sender notified by Mailtrack 06/09/20, 10:27:18 AM On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:47 PM Paul Stallman wrote: > I get hit with this scam almost weekly. Or a variation. It's either a > logo design, or some printing, or designing a catalog, or a website for a > farming operation. It's all the same, take a credit card and they get you > to write a check to someone. It's the same as computer/IT people (and I've > known multiple) get caught in the scam of ordering computers and shipping > them to a person/business and the card is fraudulent. That's happened to > at least 3 IT businesses I've worked with. > > I also know a guy that sent $5000 to someone from this website scam. Some > of them are very convincing. > > For one, I almost never get a new business inquiry (real inquiry) via > text. Who would start that way. "I don't know you or know this number I'm > texting for your business is a cell phone, but I'll try texting to hire > you." Every once in a while I get suckered for a little bit if the person > is good at dragging the con on for a while. Because I never want to answer > rudely to a possible real new client. > > Since the scam now is credit card based, I lead a lot with "we don't take > credit cards". But we do of course, but that usually gets them to go away. > Although I had one try to convince me to sign up with a company to take > credit cards, just so I could work with him. :). That one I led on for > days and played with. > > > > *Paul Stallman,* Owner, Creative Director and Web Guru > > (413) 364-6147 | paul at alias-solutions.com > > *alias*|solutions > GRAPHIC DESIGN | WEB DESIGN | FULL COLOR PRINTING | LARGE FORMAT PRINTING > www.alias-solutions.com > > > > > [image: Mailtrack] > Sender > notified by > Mailtrack > 06/08/20, > 10:39:55 PM > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:56 AM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Hi Lisa, >> >> And thanks to you for sharing this, too! I?m not sure, but if its a scam >> it might be that the guy has setup a fake Quickbooks site and could be >> phishing for your login info, somewhere down the line. One plus is that he >> hasn?t ?yet? asked for a payment to some other individual. >> >> I seem to recall that the scam I mentioned below involved a 2-day period >> while the banks process transactions during which the scammer can cancel >> things, or somehow get the money and run, or something like that. I googled >> "quickbooks web design scam? and got some interesting results. >> >> You can also send the email to spoof at quickbooks.com and see what they >> say. >> >> Good to be aware of what scammers are doing. It?s such a wild west out >> there. >> >> Best, >> Kimo >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Lisa Rosenthal >> wrote: >> >> Hi Kimo, >> >> Yes I think this was a similar scam, some of the English seemed off as >> well. The only difference seems to be a payment or over payment through >> Quickbooks. >> >> Thanks for sharing your blog post. >> >> Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 6:36 AM, B. Kimo Lee wrote: >> >> Hi Lisa, >> >> A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you via credit >> card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a ?project consultant? for >> the amount of the overpayment. As described by Mik. If you process the cc >> payment, you become an accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? >> being ?hearing impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: >> http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam >> >> Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at a >> freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job through the >> Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The mere suggestion of that >> and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! >> >> Best, >> Kimo >> >> >> AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting >> Joomla! Content Management System Implementation >> eCommerce Development >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 249 Wallace Hill Rd >> Townsend, MA 01469 >> (413) 204-1763 >> For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com >> Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >> This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my website. >> They were looking for a designer for a logo and brochure, 8 pages for a >> Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His project consultant had all the >> photos and copy. I was given specific details about the project as well as >> a company name and address. No website or online presence yet, it was >> supposedly under construction. >> >> They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the project. I >> went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it was a scam and then >> what the scam was. I googled the address, it looked like Reddit was there >> or had been there and it might be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to >> ask if it looked like an Antique store was going in next door, they both >> said no it didn?t. >> >> 4 emails into the conversation: >> The guy, Mike Powell: >> Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can proceed.Also, I?ll >> like to let you now I will be paying you via Quickbooks by you sending me >> an invoice of the partial payment so I can make payment from my ends.Let me >> know if that?s ok with you ! >> >> Me: I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that payment >> method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would that work? >> >> Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor Venmo due to >> some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in recent time and I was >> advised by my cc provider not to use via any of the above mentioned >> processors for now. >> You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple to set up. >> .............. >> >> Has anyone heard of that, a scam through Quickbooks? >> >> I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. >> >> Lisa Rosenthal >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >> Hey all web people on the HT list... >> >> Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam emails -- >> mostly people asking me if I need help building a website for a domain I >> just purchased. I used to ask them if they knew what I did for a living, >> and of course they don't. It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a >> email address attached to a domain name. >> >> On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build them a >> website. The exact working typically never changes, and the scam is always >> the same. This is how they usually contact me: >> >> "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to >> handle a website design for me ?" >> >> The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for me" leads me >> to believe this isn't quite legit. >> >> The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that the person >> was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor send an email. The whole >> thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... >> >> They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford more, and it's >> already been designed. All I have to do is take the designed pages and put >> them on a web server, linking the pages to each other. Seems to be quick >> money, right? >> >> The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off -- the >> scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I have to pay their >> designer $3000 by check, since they don't take credit cards. >> >> *If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, just say no.* >> >> I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a text from >> this guy, but also an email (below). The third screen shot has some harsh >> expletives, so be forewarned. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mik >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Web designer needed >> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 >> From: Sarmento Alves Domingos >> >> To: Michael Muller >> >> >> Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business for both >> male and female which i run here in state,now am trying to expand the >> business and i want you to build an informational website for it for >> advertisement and to increase my sales rate..so i need you to check out >> this site but i need something more perfect than this if its possible >> >> http://www.missrebel.co.uk. >> >> The site would only be informational, so i need you to give me an >> estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want the site to have >> not more than 5 pages ,since it is informational. I have a private project >> consultant who has the text content, images and the logos for the site. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sarmento, >>> >>> Can you provide more information? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mik >>> >>> --- >>> Mik Muller, president >>> Montague WebWorks >>> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >>> 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com >>> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >>> >>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>> >>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be able to >>> handle a website design for me ? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Jun 9 15:42:16 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:42:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] ENOUGH re: SCAM: "Web designer needed" In-Reply-To: References: <758a6989-b9fb-e305-c26b-8dfce2df9b67@montaguewebworks.com> <6FE556C7-EBBC-4933-AB94-55C969279268@comcast.net> <117BB6B4-E9EE-4A4E-B65C-D8DB5B955E8F@azurelink.com> <5DB5C7EF-A454-4E5F-B27D-F03EF6E0A1C2@azurelink.com> Message-ID: <4af9c008-cf7d-3130-9bdd-734ee603d75b@tnrglobal.com> Ok, I think it's time to close this discussion. I will close it with my notes: I think all of us in business for some time get such scams of various types, personally I can get a dozen unsolicited offers a day, esp with the pandemic and PPP loans.? Some are more like these sound more legitimate orders,? more so in the IT hardware field, also to artists, novices being particularly susceptible -- almost always caveat emptor - if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. One back twist, I have gotten actually legitimate offers just to the wrong company - as I recall it was to a TNR Enterprises that sells high end special purpose equipment to Raytheon -- it became clear in looking at the TO email the rest of the name matched the order except for the domain name. It did take them a while to fix given a large corporate ordering system. The real bogus ones are usually obvious from .ru .jp .cn or totally unknown ones. Stay Well all Rich HT Listmaster On 6/8/2020 10:47 PM, Paul Stallman via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I get hit with this scam almost weekly.? Or a variation.? It's either > a logo design, or some printing, or designing a catalog, or a website > for a farming operation. It's all the same,?take a credit card and > they get you to write a check to someone.? It's the same as > computer/IT people (and I've known multiple) get caught in the scam of > ordering computers and shipping them to a person/business and the card > is fraudulent.? That's happened to at least 3 IT businesses I've > worked with. > > I also know a guy that sent $5000 to someone from this website scam.? > Some of them are very convincing. > > For one, I almost never get a new business inquiry (real inquiry) via > text.? Who would start that way.? "I don't know you or know this > number I'm texting for your business is a cell phone, but I'll try > texting to hire you."? Every once in a while I get suckered for a > little bit if the person is good at dragging the con on for a while.? > Because I never want to answer rudely to a possible real new client. > > Since the scam now is credit card based, I lead a lot with "we don't > take credit cards". But we do of course, but that usually gets them to > go away.? Although I had one try to convince me to sign up with a > company to take credit cards, just so I could work with him.? :). That > one I led on for days and played with. > > > > *Paul Stallman,*??Owner, Creative Director and Web Guru > > (413) 364-6147 | paul at alias-solutions.com > > * > * > *alias*|solutions > GRAPHIC DESIGN | WEB DESIGN | FULL COLOR PRINTING | LARGE FORMAT PRINTING > www.alias-solutions.com > > > > > Mailtrack > > Sender notified by > Mailtrack > > 06/08/20, 10:39:55 PM > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:56 AM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > And thanks to you for sharing this, too! I?m not sure, but if its > a scam it might be that the guy has setup a fake Quickbooks site > and could be phishing for your login info, somewhere down the > line. One plus is that he hasn?t ?yet? asked for a payment to some > other individual. > > I seem to recall that the scam I mentioned below involved a 2-day > period while the banks process transactions during which the > scammer can cancel things, or somehow get the money and run, or > something like that. I googled "quickbooks web design scam? and > got some interesting results. > > You can also send the email to spoof at quickbooks.com > and see what they say. > > Good to be aware of what scammers are doing. It?s such a wild west > out there. > > Best, > Kimo > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Lisa Rosenthal > > wrote: > >> Hi Kimo, >> >> Yes I think this was a similar scam, some of the English seemed >> off as well. The only difference seems to be a payment or over >> payment through Quickbooks. >> >> Thanks for sharing your blog post. >> >> Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 6:36 AM, B. Kimo Lee > > wrote: >> >>> Hi Lisa, >>> >>> A scam I?ve run into is that the scammer offers to overpay you >>> via credit card (stolen) and wants you to send a check to a >>> ?project consultant? for the amount of the overpayment. As >>> described by Mik. If you process the cc payment, you become an >>> accomplice. That scam also involved the ?client? being ?hearing >>> impaired?. Here?s my blog post about it: >>> http://azurelink.com/tech-news/item/23-hearing-impaired-buyer-credit-card-scam >>> >>> Probably not worth your time, but you could set up an account at >>> a freelancer site like Upwork and ask them to assign the job >>> through the Upwork system. That way payment is guaranteed. The >>> mere suggestion of that and they?ll probably disappear. LoL! >>> >>> Best, >>> Kimo >>> >>> >>> AZURELINK ?:: ??Creative Design Technologies" >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting >>> Joomla! Content Management System Implementation >>> eCommerce Development >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> 249 Wallace Hill Rd >>> Townsend, MA 01469 >>> (413) 204-1763 >>> For more information, please visit: www.azurelink.com >>> >>> Follow Azurelink on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azurelink >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Lisa Rosenthal via Hidden-discuss >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>>> This happened to me recently, someone contacted me through my >>>> website. They were looking for a designer for a logo and >>>> brochure, 8 pages for a Antiques Business in Santa Monica. His >>>> project consultant had all the photos and copy. I was given >>>> specific details about the project as well as a company name >>>> and address. No website or online presence yet, it was >>>> supposedly under construction. >>>> >>>> They seemed to have a good budget for the design part of the >>>> project. I went back and forth a bit trying to figure out if it >>>> was a scam and then what the scam was. I googled the address, >>>> it looked like Reddit was there or had been there and it might >>>> be vacant. I called adjoining businesses to ask if it looked >>>> like an Antique store was going in next door, they both said no >>>> it didn?t. >>>> >>>> 4 emails into the conversation: >>>> The guy, Mike Powell: >>>> Ok I will be making a deposit for a start so we can >>>> proceed.Also, I?ll like to let you now I will be paying you via >>>> Quickbooks by you sending me an invoice of the partial payment >>>> so I can make payment from my ends.Let me know if that?s ok >>>> with you ! >>>> >>>> Me:?I don?t have a Quickbooks account so I don?t think that >>>> payment method will work. Venmo might be a possibility, would >>>> that work? >>>> >>>> Mike Powell: I?m unable to use my cc via PayPal, Square nor >>>> Venmo due to some bad experiences I?ve encountered using it in >>>> recent time and I was advised by my cc provider not to use via >>>> any of the above mentioned processors for now. >>>> ? ?You can look up for Quickbooks online . It?s easy and simple >>>> to set up. >>>> .............. >>>> >>>> Has anyone heard of that,?a scam through Quickbooks? >>>> >>>> I just said I wasn?t interested and left it at that. >>>> >>>> Lisa Rosenthal >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey all web people on the HT list... >>>>> >>>>> Over the years I've received an innumerable number of spam >>>>> emails -- mostly people asking me if I need help building a >>>>> website for a domain I just purchased. I used to ask them if >>>>> they knew what I did for a living, and of course they don't. >>>>> It's just a robo-script emailing anyone with a email address >>>>> attached to a domain name. >>>>> >>>>> On occasion I get a text from someone asking if I could build >>>>> them a website. The exact working typically never changes, and >>>>> the scam is always the same. This is how they usually contact me: >>>>> >>>>> "Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would be >>>>> able to handle a website design for me ?" >>>>> >>>>> The punctuation and referral to "handle a website design for >>>>> me" leads me to believe this isn't quite legit. >>>>> >>>>> The first time I got a text like this the follow-up was that >>>>> the person was both deaf and blind, so I couldn't call nor >>>>> send an email. The whole thing had to be done over text. Hmmm... >>>>> >>>>> They want specifically 5 pages, because they can't afford >>>>> more, and it's already been designed. All I have to do is take >>>>> the designed pages and put them on a web server, linking the >>>>> pages to each other. Seems to be quick money, right? >>>>> >>>>> The kicker is -- and this is where the klaxons start going off >>>>> -- the scammer wants to pay me $5000 by credit card, but I >>>>> have to pay their designer $3000 by check, since they don't >>>>> take credit cards. >>>>> >>>>> *If you are ever contacted by anyone with a similar request, >>>>> just say no.* >>>>> >>>>> I am passing this info along because not only did I get such a >>>>> text from this guy, but also an email (below). The third >>>>> screen shot has some harsh expletives, so be forewarned. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Mik >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>>> Subject: Re: Web designer needed >>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:30:49 -0700 >>>>> From: Sarmento Alves Domingos >>>>> >>>>> To: Michael Muller >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is the job details, well i have a small clothing business >>>>> for both male and female which i run here in state,now am >>>>> trying to expand the business and i want you to build an >>>>> informational website for it for advertisement and to increase >>>>> my sales rate..so i need you to check out this site but i need >>>>> something more perfect than this if its possible >>>>> >>>>> http://www.missrebel.co.uk . >>>>> >>>>> The??site would only be informational, so i need you to give >>>>> me an estimate .The estimate should include hosting and i want >>>>> the site to have not more than 5 pages ,since it is >>>>> informational. I have a private project consultant who has the >>>>> text content, images and the logos for the site. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:57 AM Michael Muller >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sarmento, >>>>> >>>>> Can you provide more information? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Mik >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Mik Muller, president >>>>> Montague WebWorks >>>>> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA >>>>> 413-320-5336 >>>>> http://MontagueWebWorks.com >>>>> Powered by ROCKETFUSION >>>>> >>>>> On 6/4/2020 11:41 AM, Sarmento Alves Domingos wrote: >>>>>> Hello how are you doing,I will like to know if you would >>>>>> be able to handle a website design for me ? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>>> Discussion list. >>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>>>> Members >>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>> Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>>> Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Jun 9 20:42:28 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 16:42:28 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT Message-ID: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> Time for another review of how HT works for you each. A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the cost of a few uninteresting emails.? We tried FB and Linkedin a while back,? while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR happening. What you may not know, here is a summary of members. Invalid:???? 2429? (means email addresses that bounced) No mail:??? 501?? (members who dropped off) Valid:??? ??? 2429 Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 (it is currently hidden) I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of options: This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ I am wondering how many would use any of these. Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there is interest. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgdutton7 at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 20:46:08 2020 From: cgdutton7 at gmail.com (Christine Dutton) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 16:46:08 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same... I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned before. When using FB groups, you are more likely to create great networking and learning opportunities. *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Time for another review of how HT works for you each. > > A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom forget > this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the cost of a > few uninteresting emails. We tried FB and Linkedin a while back, while > little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. > We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR > happening. > > What you may not know, here is a summary of members. > Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced) > No mail: 501 (members who dropped off) > Valid: 2429 > > Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own > https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 > (it is currently hidden) > > I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of options: > This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard > apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ > > There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ > > I am wondering how many would use any of these. > Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there is > interest. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcia Yudkin Goshen http://www.yudkin.com >>On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 10:42:55 AM HST, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: Time for another review of how HT works for you each. A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the cost of a few uninteresting emails.? We tried FB and Linkedin a while back,? while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR happening. I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of options:<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We tried FB and Linkedin a while > back,? while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. > We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR > happening. > > What you may not know, here is a summary of members. > Invalid:???? 2429? (means email addresses that bounced) > No mail:??? 501?? (members who dropped off) > Valid:??? ??? 2429 > > Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own > https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 > (it is currently hidden) > > I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of > options: > This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard > apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ > > There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ > > I am wondering how many would use any of these. > Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there > is interest. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jefbak at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 22:15:23 2020 From: jefbak at gmail.com (Jeff Baker) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 18:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <1d59b470-fbfc-5bb7-65ec-b042840c9628@acm.org> References: <1d59b470-fbfc-5bb7-65ec-b042840c9628@acm.org> Message-ID: FB, as controversial as it is, is becoming a universal ID at this point. Another option might be a Nextdoor Type site. Sent from Jeff?s phone > On Jun 9, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Tom Kopec via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > ? > I, personally, would like something that is standalone in terms of authentication.. > > I really hate sites that require you to log via to some third party (disqus, google, etc). > > On 6/9/2020 4:42 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Time for another review of how HT works for you each. >> >> A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the cost of a few uninteresting emails. We tried FB and Linkedin a while back, while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. >> We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR happening. >> >> What you may not know, here is a summary of members. >> Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced) >> No mail: 501 (members who dropped off) >> Valid: 2429 >> >> Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 >> (it is currently hidden) >> >> I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of options: >> This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ >> >> There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ >> >> I am wondering how many would use any of these. >> Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there is interest. >> >> -- >> Rich Roth >> CEO TnR Global >> >> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Jun 9 22:54:04 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> That's right, interesting - it looks like the invalid member option of the listing is not valid (fancy that) Actually the flag on the member dump command are not correct, had to do more figuring. Rerun: Nogood:?? ? 232 Regukar:??? ??? 2092 Digest:???????? 105 On 6/9/2020 4:46 PM, Christine Dutton wrote: > Thanks! > I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same... > I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned before. When > using FB groups, you are more likely to create great networking and > learning opportunities. > *Christine Dutton* > *Dutton Consulting * > *413-626-6377* > *Find me on Facebook here! * > * > * > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Time for another review of how HT works for you each. > > A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of > whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to > help, at the cost of a few uninteresting emails.? We tried FB and > Linkedin a while back,? while little interest, given how time goes > it could be 10 years. > We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much > PR happening. > > What you may not know, here is a summary of members. > Invalid:???? 2429? (means email addresses that bounced) > No mail:??? 501?? (members who dropped off) > Valid:??? ??? 2429 > > Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own > https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 > (it is currently hidden) > > I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of > options: > This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a > standard apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ > > There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ > > I am wondering how many would use any of these. > Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if > there is interest. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesley at hthconsulting.com Tue Jun 9 22:59:20 2020 From: lesley at hthconsulting.com (Lesley Schneider) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 18:59:20 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Remote Work Message-ID: <403444CF-B540-43CE-A86D-0FD917212683@hthconsulting.com> Hi all. Has anyone gotten a sense that working remotely in the Boston area is here to stay beyond the virus? Thank you, Lesley From jeremy.j.dunn at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 23:05:11 2020 From: jeremy.j.dunn at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunn) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:05:11 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT Message-ID: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> 2nd Marcia's points: * email works great for me * I no longer use FB and have no desire to start again. If HT moves to FB, I lose * I agree the current list is very effective...so... * what is the presenting problem? Why ask the question? Had ***NO*** idea there were > 2300 members. Mostly lurking - but they can unsub whenever they want. I'm one of the digest members and find it suits me just fine. Best to all. And thanks Rich for your long long long-time service running the list ! Jeremy Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:09:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Marcia Yudkin To: HT-discuss Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT Message-ID: <887910263.1282724.1591736941856 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" To me, the test of how well an exchange medium is working is not the number of members, the rate of joinings or the number of dropouts - or even the rate of participation - but rather how useful the medium is for those who are on it who urgently or desperately need an answer.? And I would say that by that criterion, the current setup is very useful. We rarely see a question that goes out that gets no answers or no useful discussion. What is the reason for wanting to switch - other than email lists being an old technology??? Marcia Yudkin Goshen http://www.yudkin.com From alan at 8wheels.org Tue Jun 9 23:53:05 2020 From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 19:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this group because there is no guaranteed delivery. --Alan From gshaneyfelt at yahoo.com Wed Jun 10 00:04:06 2020 From: gshaneyfelt at yahoo.com (Garth Shaneyfelt) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> Message-ID: <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in the group], vs. just algorithm stuff. -Garth Shaneyfelt Let's Create a Better World On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 07:58:21 PM EDT, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss wrote: I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this group because there is no guaranteed delivery. --Alan _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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My personal theory is that, to the extent? this moment becomes a tipping point in the long-term acceptance of remote work, it will be because *managers* have been compelled to work remotely. They now have a personal interest in believing that remote workers -- including themselves! -- can be effective. Even at a previous job where half of the team of 50 was working remotely, management always was on site. I don't expect a sea change, but I do expect to see signs of a shift in attitudes. Recruiters tell me it's happening already. P ?Paul Bissex, software engineer 413-230-9451 http://paulbissex.com/? On Jun 9, 2020, 7:46 PM, at 7:46 PM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss wrote: >Hi all. Has anyone gotten a sense that working remotely in the Boston >area is here to stay beyond the virus? > >Thank you, >Lesley >_______________________________________________ >Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > >You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >list. >If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From s at smichel.me Wed Jun 10 00:40:32 2020 From: s at smichel.me (Stephen Michel) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 20:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Before jumping in to a conversation about specific platforms, I think it would be helpful to clarify our motivations: - Are there any issues with the current setup? - Are there any features the current setup lacks that we'd like to have? Once we've established our motivations (and hopefully some agreement), we can evaluate how well specific solutions would address them and weigh that against any downsides. Otherwise, it's easy to get bogged down in meandering debate. Here is mine ? in the form of a "driver statement"[1], a framing I've found very useful for making motivations easy to discuss ? and my attempt at summarizing Rich's original email[2] the same way: - [me] Subscription settings are very course, so I have to choose between processing conversations I don't care about and missing those that I do. Finer-grained settings would allow me to engage at the level I'd prefer. - [Rich] We get few new signups and people unsubscribe with every long conversation, so HT membership is shrinking over time. A stable (or growing) membership would keep the list useful, since more people will be available to help. I'll take my own advice and hold off on airing my (strong) opinions on specific proposals, for the moment. Cheers, Stephen [1] From Sociocracy 3.0 [2] I originally was going to summarize the whole thread, but other replies were either focused on negatives (not time for that yet!) or missing parts of a driver (description of the current situation). -- I try to write short, functional emails. On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 18:54, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > That's right, interesting - it looks like the invalid member option > of the listing is not valid (fancy that) > Actually the flag on the member dump command are not correct, had to > do more figuring. > > Rerun: > Nogood: 232 > Regukar: 2092 > Digest: 105 > > On 6/9/2020 4:46 PM, Christine Dutton wrote: >> Thanks! >> I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same... >> I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned before. When >> using FB groups, you are more likely to create great networking and >> learning opportunities. >> *Christine Dutton* >> *Dutton Consulting * >> *413-626-6377* >> *Find me on Facebook here! >> * >> * >> * >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss >> > > wrote: >>> Time for another review of how HT works for you each. >>> >>> A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of >>> whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, >>> at the cost of a few uninteresting emails. We tried FB and >>> Linkedin a while back, while little interest, given how time goes >>> it could be 10 years. >>> We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much >>> PR happening. >>> >>> What you may not know, here is a summary of members. >>> Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced) >>> No mail: 501 (members who dropped off) >>> Valid: 2429 >>> >>> Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own >>> >>> (it is currently hidden) >>> >>> I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of >>> options: >>> This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a >>> standard apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ >>> >>> There are more here: >>> >>> >>> I am wondering how many would use any of these. >>> Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if >>> there is interest. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich Roth >>> CEO TnR Global >>> >>> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >>> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >>> >>> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >>> >>> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >>> >>> >>> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>> Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>> Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > > > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Wed Jun 10 00:46:43 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:46:43 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com>, <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> Message-ID: I thought the defunct Google Plus was better than FB for many things. Though it was shut down for consumers, it continued for Enterprise G Suite customers, and will be available for all G Suite in July (beta now I think). I bet it would be pefect for HT, assuming non-Gsuite people can use it, while only setup and management requires G Suite. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:53 PM To: Jeremy Dunn Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this group because there is no guaranteed delivery. --Alan _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Rob Laporte Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:46 PM To: Jeremy Dunn ; Alan Frank Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT I thought the defunct Google Plus was better than FB for many things. Though it was shut down for consumers, it continued for Enterprise G Suite customers, and will be available for all G Suite in July (beta now I think). I bet it would be pefect for HT, assuming non-Gsuite people can use it, while only setup and management requires G Suite. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:53 PM To: Jeremy Dunn Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this group because there is no guaranteed delivery. --Alan _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgdutton7 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 02:10:42 2020 From: cgdutton7 at gmail.com (Christine Dutton) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:10:42 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Garth, You are correct. It's all about your settings on FB. I'm good w/ this or FB. *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Garth Shaneyfelt via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in the group], > vs. just algorithm stuff. > > -Garth Shaneyfelt > Let's Create a Better World > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 07:58:21 PM EDT, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > > I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this > group because there is no guaranteed delivery. > > --Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Wed Jun 10 02:43:10 2020 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:43:10 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gary wrote: " Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in the group], vs. just algorithm stuff. " If delivery means it gets to the group page, then yes. If delivery means it is seen by all the members of the group, then no. Facebook groups are a pull medium: the content waits there for the user to go look for it. If the user sees a notification and clicks through, or randomly checks the group page, the message is seen. If, like me, the user gets an average of 96 FB notifications per day, whether I click through to a particular one is random and the odds aren't that great. In all fairness, the same problem exists with email. I ignore many HT messages because I can tell they aren't relevant or I don't know the answer from the subject line, and others because I simply miss them in the deluge. BTW, I think email does a much better job of threading than FB groups. Reasonably happy with the status quo. And grateful to rich for administering it. Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:04 PM Garth Shaneyfelt via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in the group], > vs. just algorithm stuff. > > -Garth Shaneyfelt > Let's Create a Better World > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 07:58:21 PM EDT, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > > I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this > group because there is no guaranteed delivery. > > --Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at yesexactly.com Wed Jun 10 02:56:23 2020 From: info at yesexactly.com (Tess Gadwa) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:56:23 -0700 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Remote Work In-Reply-To: References: <403444CF-B540-43CE-A86D-0FD917212683@hthconsulting.com> Message-ID: If so, I see that as a major plus. We're actually about to release an interactive calculator that will help individuals see how much money they save by working from home. Tess Gadwa Founder *Lotus.fm* 971.412.2493 On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:35 PM Paul Bissex via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > It will be interesting to see, once more offices start opening back up. > > I've been working remotely for my Boston-based employer since 2017, but > almost everyone else there commutes. Still, the pandemic has forced them to > figure out how to make it work when face-to-face meetings are not an option. > > My personal theory is that, to the extent this moment becomes a tipping > point in the long-term acceptance of remote work, it will be because > *managers* have been compelled to work remotely. They now have a personal > interest in believing that remote workers -- including themselves! -- can > be effective. Even at a previous job where half of the team of 50 was > working remotely, management always was on site. > > I don't expect a sea change, but I do expect to see signs of a shift in > attitudes. Recruiters tell me it's happening already. > > P > > ?Paul Bissex, software engineer > 413-230-9451 > http://paulbissex.com/? > > On Jun 9, 2020, 7:46 PM, at 7:46 PM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >Hi all. 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URL: From annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com Wed Jun 10 10:26:17 2020 From: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com (Annamarie Pluhar) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 06:26:17 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Hi For some reason I had to really dig to find the original post. I?m with the anti-FB people. I use it for a closed group I have and it?s awful for finding things. HT works well enough for me - but that?s because I use MailMate and have a smart filter that throws all emails into a folder where I can view, peruse and respond according to my interest/energy. I can see how it could not be useful for others as a email in an inbox. I think, if Rich and others are up to it, it would be interesting to have an alternative social media to use. I didn?t see [Discourse ](https://www.discourse.org/) on the list Rich created. I?ve had my eye on it as an alternative to my FB group. My two cents. Annamarie On 9 Jun 2020, at 20:40, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Before jumping in to a conversation about specific platforms, I think > it would be helpful to clarify our motivations: > > - Are there any issues with the current setup? > - Are there any features the current setup lacks that we'd like to > have? > > Once we've established our motivations (and hopefully some agreement), > we can evaluate how well specific solutions would address them and > weigh that against any downsides. Otherwise, it's easy to get bogged > down in meandering debate. > > Here is mine ? in the form of a "driver statement"[1], a framing > I've found very useful for making motivations easy to discuss ? and > my attempt at summarizing Rich's original email[2] the same way: > > - [me] Subscription settings are very course, so I have to choose > between processing conversations I don't care about and missing those > that I do. Finer-grained settings would allow me to engage at the > level I'd prefer. > - [Rich] We get few new signups and people unsubscribe with every long > conversation, so HT membership is shrinking over time. A stable (or > growing) membership would keep the list useful, since more people will > be available to help. > > I'll take my own advice and hold off on airing my (strong) opinions on > specific proposals, for the moment. > > Cheers, > Stephen > > [1] From Sociocracy 3.0 > > > [2] I originally was going to summarize the whole thread, but other > replies were either focused on negatives (not time for that yet!) or > missing parts of a driver (description of the current situation). > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 18:54, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> That's right, interesting - it looks like the invalid member option >> of the listing is not valid (fancy that) >> Actually the flag on the member dump command are not correct, had to >> do more figuring. >> >> Rerun: >> Nogood: 232 >> Regukar: 2092 >> Digest: 105 >> >> On 6/9/2020 4:46 PM, Christine Dutton wrote: >>> Thanks! >>> I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same... >>> I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned before. When >>> using FB groups, you are more likely to create great networking and >>> learning opportunities. >>> *Christine Dutton* >>> *Dutton Consulting * >>> *413-626-6377* >>> *Find me on Facebook here! >>> * >>> * >>> * >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss >>> >> > wrote: >>>> Time for another review of how HT works for you each. >>>> >>>> A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of >>>> whom forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, >>>> at the cost of a few uninteresting emails. We tried FB and >>>> Linkedin a while back, while little interest, given how time goes >>>> it could be 10 years. >>>> We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much >>>> PR happening. >>>> >>>> What you may not know, here is a summary of members. >>>> Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced) >>>> No mail: 501 (members who dropped off) >>>> Valid: 2429 >>>> >>>> Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own >>>> >>>> (it is currently hidden) >>>> >>>> I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of >>>> options: >>>> This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a >>>> standard apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ >>>> >>>> There are more here: >>>> >>>> >>>> I am wondering how many would use any of these. >>>> Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if >>>> there is interest. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rich Roth >>>> CEO TnR Global >>>> >>>> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >>>> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >>>> >>>> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >>>> >>>> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>> Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>>> Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> >> -- >> Rich Roth >> CEO TnR Global >> >> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >> >> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> >> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >> >> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >> >> >> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm one of the digest members and find it suits > me just fine. > > Best to all. > > And thanks Rich for your long long long-time service running the list ! > > Jeremy > > > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:09:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Marcia Yudkin > To: HT-discuss > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT > Message-ID: <887910263.1282724.1591736941856 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To me, the test of how well an exchange medium is working is not the number > of members, the rate of joinings or the number of dropouts - or even the > rate of participation - but rather how useful the medium is for those who > are on it who urgently or desperately need an answer.? And I would say that > by that criterion, the current setup is very useful. > > We rarely see a question that goes out that gets no answers or no useful > discussion. > > What is the reason for wanting to switch - other than email lists being an > old technology??? > > Marcia Yudkin > Goshen > http://www.yudkin.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From editorial at gonomad.com Wed Jun 10 12:59:09 2020 From: editorial at gonomad.com (Max Hartshorne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] No reason to change HT Message-ID: <1591793949.020713845@apps.rackspace.com> I love that this is only on email and NOT on Facebook. 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URL: From cgdutton7 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 13:20:16 2020 From: cgdutton7 at gmail.com (Christine Dutton) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> <504df071443354af2c3d1b82e1ac60aa@8wheels.org> <1464545517.1985227.1591747446839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My experience is that I will see all content unless I unfollow, but stay in the group.... *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:50 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Gary wrote: " Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in > the group], vs. just algorithm stuff. " > > If delivery means it gets to the group page, then yes. If delivery means > it is seen by all the members of the group, then no. Facebook groups are a > pull medium: the content waits there for the user to go look for it. If the > user sees a notification and clicks through, or randomly checks the group > page, the message is seen. If, like me, the user gets an average of 96 FB > notifications per day, whether I click through to a particular one is > random and the odds aren't that great. > > In all fairness, the same problem exists with email. I ignore many HT > messages because I can tell they aren't relevant or I don't know the answer > from the subject line, and others because I simply miss them in the deluge. > > BTW, I think email does a much better job of threading than FB groups. > Reasonably happy with the status quo. And grateful to rich for > administering it. > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:04 PM Garth Shaneyfelt via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Weird, I think groups DO guarantee delivery [if you look in the group], >> vs. just algorithm stuff. >> >> -Garth Shaneyfelt >> Let's Create a Better World >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 07:58:21 PM EDT, Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >> >> I use FB for browsing and socializing, but hate it for things like this >> group because there is no guaranteed delivery. >> >> --Alan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding feeling overwhelmed with email, it's important to have your emails stacked. Then each incoming email will be part of that one string instead of looking like multiple emails in your inbox. *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:51 AM Annamarie Pluhar via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hi > > For some reason I had to really dig to find the original post. I?m with > the anti-FB people. I use it for a closed group I have and it?s awful for > finding things. > > HT works well enough for me - but that?s because I use MailMate and have a > smart filter that throws all emails into a folder where I can view, peruse > and respond according to my interest/energy. I can see how it could not be > useful for others as a email in an inbox. > > I think, if Rich and others are up to it, it would be interesting to have > an alternative social media to use. I didn?t see Discourse > on the list Rich created. I?ve had my eye on > it as an alternative to my FB group. > > My two cents. > Annamarie > > On 9 Jun 2020, at 20:40, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Before jumping in to a conversation about specific platforms, I think it > would be helpful to clarify our motivations: > > - Are there any issues with the current setup? > - Are there any features the current setup lacks that we'd like to have? > > Once we've established our motivations (and hopefully some agreement), we > can evaluate how well specific solutions would address them and weigh that > against any downsides. Otherwise, it's easy to get bogged down in > meandering debate. > > Here is mine ? in the form of a "driver statement"[1], a framing I've > found very useful for making motivations easy to discuss ? and my attempt > at summarizing Rich's original email[2] the same way: > > - [me] Subscription settings are very course, so I have to choose between > processing conversations I don't care about and missing those that I do. > Finer-grained settings would allow me to engage at the level I'd prefer. > - [Rich] We get few new signups and people unsubscribe with every long > conversation, so HT membership is shrinking over time. A stable (or > growing) membership would keep the list useful, since more people will be > available to help. > > I'll take my own advice and hold off on airing my (strong) opinions on > specific proposals, for the moment. > > Cheers, > Stephen > > [1] From Sociocracy 3.0 > https://patterns.sociocracy30.org/describe-organizational-drivers.html > > [2] I originally was going to summarize the whole thread, but other > replies were either focused on negatives (not time for that yet!) or > missing parts of a driver (description of the current situation). > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 18:54, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > That's right, interesting - it looks like the invalid member option of the > listing is not valid (fancy that) > Actually the flag on the member dump command are not correct, had to do > more figuring. > > Rerun: > Nogood: 232 > Regukar: 2092 > Digest: 105 > On 6/9/2020 4:46 PM, Christine Dutton wrote: > > Thanks! > I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same... > I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned before. When using > FB groups, you are more likely to create great networking and learning > opportunities. > *Christine Dutton* > *Dutton Consulting * > *413-626-6377* > *Find me on Facebook here! * > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:42 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Time for another review of how HT works for you each. >> >> A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom >> forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the cost >> of a few uninteresting emails. We tried FB and Linkedin a while back, >> while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. >> We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR >> happening. >> >> What you may not know, here is a summary of members. >> Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced) >> No mail: 501 (members who dropped off) >> Valid: 2429 >> >> Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own >> https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 >> (it is currently hidden) >> >> I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of >> options: >> This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard >> apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ >> >> There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ >> >> I am wondering how many would use any of these. >> Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there is >> interest. >> >> -- >> Rich Roth >> CEO TnR Global >> >> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com >> Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com >> Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com >> And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com >> http://www.artonmytv.com/ >> Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Wed Jun 10 13:23:21 2020 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Remote Work In-Reply-To: References: <403444CF-B540-43CE-A86D-0FD917212683@hthconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20200610132321.7D86B2210EC@sharky4.deepsoft.com> I wonder if anyone on this list has read the Asimov novel "The Naked Sun". It features a planet where the *human* residents rarely/never ever meet in person. Each *human* lives / works alone on a huge "estate" populated by thousands of robots and humans only ever meet using a super high tech / 3D version of something like Zoom.... (Somehow, despite virtually no pysical human interaction and with all of the robots under the 3 Laws, someone gets murdered so they have to import a detective from Earth to solve the crime...) At Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:56:23 -0700 Tess Gadwa wrote: > > > > If so, I see that as a major plus. We're actually about to release an > interactive calculator that will help individuals see how much money they > save by working from home. > > Tess Gadwa > > Founder > *Lotus.fm* > 971.412.2493 > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:35 PM Paul Bissex via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > > It will be interesting to see, once more offices start opening back up. > > > > I've been working remotely for my Boston-based employer since 2017, but > > almost everyone else there commutes. Still, the pandemic has forced them to > > figure out how to make it work when face-to-face meetings are not an option. > > > > My personal theory is that, to the extent this moment becomes a tipping > > point in the long-term acceptance of remote work, it will be because > > *managers* have been compelled to work remotely. They now have a personal > > interest in believing that remote workers -- including themselves! -- can > > be effective. Even at a previous job where half of the team of 50 was > > working remotely, management always was on site. > > > > I don't expect a sea change, but I do expect to see signs of a shift in > > attitudes. Recruiters tell me it's happening already. > > > > P > > > > ????????????Paul Bissex, software engineer > > 413-230-9451 > > http://paulbissex.com/???????????? > > > > On Jun 9, 2020, 7:46 PM, at 7:46 PM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > >Hi all. Has anyone gotten a sense that working remotely in the Boston > > >area is here to stay beyond the virus? > > > > > >Thank you, > > >Lesley > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > >Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > > >You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > > >list. > > >If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > >page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > >http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From dstevens at tryandfindit.com Wed Jun 10 13:33:32 2020 From: dstevens at tryandfindit.com (Donald M Stevens) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> , Message-ID: I feel the current setup works just fine, I always get feedback and or answers I try to reciprocate when I have something to add I have found recently more "thank you I resolved my issue or answer with. ..blah, blah, blah" I do find it frustrating to contribute, then never hear "the rest of the story" , Paul Harvey Good Day!! 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Williamsburg, MA* On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:51 AM Silvana Gravini via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hi Rich and List-mates: > > I support both Marcia and Jeremy?s points? > > Email works great. > > Grateful to Rich for keeping HT alive all this time too! > > Silvana > > > > > On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Dunn via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > > > 2nd Marcia's points: > > > > * email works great for me > > * I no longer use FB and have no desire to start again. If HT moves to > FB, > > I lose > > * I agree the current list is very effective...so... > > * what is the presenting problem? Why ask the question? > > > > Had ***NO*** idea there were > 2300 members. Mostly lurking - but they > can > > unsub whenever they want. I'm one of the digest members and find it > suits > > me just fine. > > > > Best to all. > > > > And thanks Rich for your long long long-time service running the list ! > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:09:01 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Marcia Yudkin > > To: HT-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT > > Message-ID: <887910263.1282724.1591736941856 at mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > To me, the test of how well an exchange medium is working is not the > number > > of members, the rate of joinings or the number of dropouts - or even the > > rate of participation - but rather how useful the medium is for those who > > are on it who urgently or desperately need an answer.? And I would say > that > > by that criterion, the current setup is very useful. > > > > We rarely see a question that goes out that gets no answers or no useful > > discussion. > > > > What is the reason for wanting to switch - other than email lists being > an > > old technology??? > > > > Marcia Yudkin > > Goshen > > http://www.yudkin.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DDelVecchio at suite3.com Wed Jun 10 13:36:39 2020 From: DDelVecchio at suite3.com (Dave DelVecchio) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:36:39 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6534BCA3-E5B6-4906-8347-5FCD41D0D8C3@suite3.com> I've thought the obvious place to move this listserv to would be Slack... gives you threaded conversations, channels to aggregate into topics, is OS and platform agnostic, and I use it successfully with several other professional communities. Dave Dave DelVecchio President Suite3 Work: 413.584.4274 Innovative Business Systems is now Suite3 www.suite3.com ?On 6/10/20, 8:51 AM, "Hidden-discuss on behalf of Silvana Gravini via Hidden-discuss" wrote: Hi Rich and List-mates: I support both Marcia and Jeremy?s points? Email works great. Grateful to Rich for keeping HT alive all this time too! Silvana > On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Dunn via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > 2nd Marcia's points: > > * email works great for me > * I no longer use FB and have no desire to start again. If HT moves to FB, > I lose > * I agree the current list is very effective...so... > * what is the presenting problem? Why ask the question? > > Had ***NO*** idea there were > 2300 members. Mostly lurking - but they can > unsub whenever they want. I'm one of the digest members and find it suits > me just fine. > > Best to all. > > And thanks Rich for your long long long-time service running the list ! > > Jeremy > > > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:09:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Marcia Yudkin > To: HT-discuss > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT > Message-ID: <887910263.1282724.1591736941856 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To me, the test of how well an exchange medium is working is not the number > of members, the rate of joinings or the number of dropouts - or even the > rate of participation - but rather how useful the medium is for those who > are on it who urgently or desperately need an answer.? And I would say that > by that criterion, the current setup is very useful. > > We rarely see a question that goes out that gets no answers or no useful > discussion. > > What is the reason for wanting to switch - other than email lists being an > old technology??? > > Marcia Yudkin > Goshen > http://www.yudkin.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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From sam at itabix.com Wed Jun 10 13:39:28 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:39:28 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, thank you Rich. I'm personally fine with the current system, but wouldn't be opposed to something that works similarly. I personally feel that Facebook is the devil's spawn. People love it only because there's no good alternatives so far (if you're in the desert with no water, you'll drink the sand). Yes, there are plenty of alternatives but just about everyone is on Facebook and many won't go anywhere else until just about everyone is there. The alternative would be social media that could also act pretty much the same as the list for those who want to interact over email. I know there are a lot of people who like the list as it is. Rich knows that my company and I have been working on a social media platform for local communities for five years (Itabix was actually founded to create a local community website 20 years ago but...well, long story). We're just about ready to start letting people in to kick the tires, and I'm actually planning to ask for help with this from HT'ers soon, I really need feedback on what we've done, what needs improving, ideas for how it could be better, and to have people using it for load testing who aren't going to get upset with the rough edges of a beta, so if anyone is interested please email me. We could most probably customize the platform to behave like the list for people who want the list-like behavior (send email with every post, or send a digest every x hours/days, and ability to reply by email, and whatever Rich or whomever wants for managing it, etc.), and people would also be able to interact with it on the website or via mobile app. It could be available just to the three counties of the valley or wherever, could be private (invisible to other members), by approval, or public. It's possible to have threaded conversations, so maybe we could have it automate that the subject line becomes a thread, and allow people to unsubscribe from threads (if you decide you aren't interested, email back with "stop" or something). I'm happy to work with Rich and the group to see if we can create something that works well for people. Groups and individuals will also be able to video chat, and there's a whole lot more to it. The idea is to support and enhance local community, especially the arts and creatives. I'll be posting about it hopefully within a week or two, if the gods of technology play nice. Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 6/10/2020 8:35 AM, Silvana Gravini via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi Rich and List-mates: > > I support both Marcia and Jeremy?s points? > > Email works great. > > Grateful to Rich for keeping HT alive all this time too! > > Silvana > > > >> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Dunn via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> 2nd Marcia's points: >> >> * email works great for me >> * I no longer use FB and have no desire to start again. If HT moves to FB, >> I lose >> * I agree the current list is very effective...so... >> * what is the presenting problem? Why ask the question? >> >> Had ***NO*** idea there were > 2300 members. Mostly lurking - but they can >> unsub whenever they want. I'm one of the digest members and find it suits >> me just fine. >> >> Best to all. >> >> And thanks Rich for your long long long-time service running the list ! >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 21:09:01 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Marcia Yudkin >> To: HT-discuss >> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT >> Message-ID: <887910263.1282724.1591736941856 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> To me, the test of how well an exchange medium is working is not the number >> of members, the rate of joinings or the number of dropouts - or even the >> rate of participation - but rather how useful the medium is for those who >> are on it who urgently or desperately need an answer.? And I would say that >> by that criterion, the current setup is very useful. >> >> We rarely see a question that goes out that gets no answers or no useful >> discussion. >> >> What is the reason for wanting to switch - other than email lists being an >> old technology??? >> >> Marcia Yudkin >> Goshen >> http://www.yudkin.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 13:47:16 2020 From: lynnerudiedesign at gmail.com (Lynne Rudie) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <030301d63eb2$6dc13e10$4943ba30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8061AF81-A59B-4308-8804-4A3EAA97B56F@gmail.com> Hello Hidden-Techies I am weighing on the ?it ain?t broke? side of this discussion. I use facebook to keep up with my family and friends but am afraid that if Hidden Tech migrated to FB or any of the social media platforms it would get lost and watered down. I think that one of the most important factors in H-T's usefulness and longevity is that we have our own moderator ? thank you Rich for all your time and dedication. If we were to migrate to another platform we might be subject to alternate moderators and standards which could endanger the enduring value and usefulness of this unique list. There are so many ways to sort in-coming e-mail if anyone feels the messages need to be managed, I personally don?t see why we would want to migrate anywhere. I read almost every message that comes through, even ones that are beyond my technical expertise and I have no idea what they are talking about. I usually learn something even if I haven?t asked the question or made the request. It is my understanding that this list was originally created to create community and networking among small and home-based businesses. For me, that community still exists and, when the list is used properly, there is lots of honest and productive networking going on. I may be missing something but I don?t see this happening elsewhere. I don?t usually find myself standing on the conservative side of issues but I am really hoping that there are no significant changes made to this wonderful list. Thanks (as always) for listening! Lynne _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members Lynne Rudie Graphic Design See my contact info at: LynneRudie.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at deltafactory.com Wed Jun 10 14:07:48 2020 From: jeff at deltafactory.com (Jeff Brand) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <75db1e4e-5ba8-c9b0-aba8-82bee20afeac@deltafactory.com> I'm going to throw a vote in for Google Groups. It? supports email-based discussions as we do here, with digests and threaded archives. A Google account is not required to participate. I can also put you in touch with the listserve managers in my area who may have some tools or thoughts to share on the subject of self-hosted systems. From Charles at sohorganizer.com Wed Jun 10 15:24:04 2020 From: Charles at sohorganizer.com (Charles at sohorganizer.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:24:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Remote Work In-Reply-To: <20200610132321.7D86B2210EC@sharky4.deepsoft.com> References: <403444CF-B540-43CE-A86D-0FD917212683@hthconsulting.com> <20200610132321.7D86B2210EC@sharky4.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <014a01d63f3b$31f1aa30$95d4fe90$@sohorganizer.com> Has anyone read the science fiction short story "The Machine Stops" by E. M. Forster published in 1909, so well over 100 years ago. The story describes a world in which most of the human population has lost the ability to live on the surface of the Earth. Each individual now lives in isolation below ground in a standard room, with all bodily and spiritual needs met by the omnipotent, global Machine. Travel is permitted, but is unpopular and rarely necessary. Communication is made via a kind of instant messaging/video conferencing machine with which people conduct their only activity: the sharing of ideas and what passes for knowledge. -----Original Message----- From: Hidden-discuss On Behalf Of Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:23 AM To: Tess Gadwa Cc: Paul Bissex ; Hidden-Tech Tech Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Remote Work I wonder if anyone on this list has read the Asimov novel "The Naked Sun". It features a planet where the *human* residents rarely/never ever meet in person. Each *human* lives / works alone on a huge "estate" populated by thousands of robots and humans only ever meet using a super high tech / 3D version of something like Zoom.... (Somehow, despite virtually no pysical human interaction and with all of the robots under the 3 Laws, someone gets murdered so they have to import a detective from Earth to solve the crime...) From roy at net-vantage.com Wed Jun 10 15:23:18 2020 From: roy at net-vantage.com (RA Cohen) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> <1b5898dd-3c62-2679-d281-f6b20c29b0a2@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <52dca95e-9bb8-c5ce-205a-2fd54bd108c6@net-vantage.com> I like the current setup also - and fwiw, I rarely use FB for anything unless absolutely necessary. I don't care for Zuck, his company, the inherently "gossip-ness" of the platform and so on... Please don't go there ... -Roy On 6/10/20 9:33 AM, Donald M Stevens via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I feel the current setup works just fine, > > I always get feedback and or answers > > I try to reciprocate when I have something to add > > I have found recently more "thank you I resolved my issue or answer > with. ..blah, blah, blah"? I do find it frustrating to contribute,? > then never hear "the rest of the story" , Paul Harvey > > Good Day!! > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Network Advantage Associates Roy A Cohen CEO 413-223-9007 opt 1 Cloud Services Office 365 Disaster Recovery Cloud Desktops | Servers Cloud Infrastructure - Migrations Traditional Services Security & Compliance Risk Assessment On / Off-Site Backups Standby Off-Site Servers Virtualization Solutions Remote Monitoring & Maintenance Net-Voice Phone Services System Upgrades Dramatic Cost Savings Unlimited Calling Advanced Feature Set Business Continuity -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rich -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From tech at montaguewebworks.com Wed Jun 10 17:08:22 2020 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:08:22 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Social Media for HT In-Reply-To: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> References: <2629958d-c2e1-aa2e-0965-6caa8a166299@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <4ab1197d-65db-fc9c-030c-874431e40c96@montaguewebworks.com> Having pulled myself out of the tentacles of Facebook so it's no longer a daily (or multiple times a day) habit, it's very unlikely I will ever go there to catch up. The interface isn't very conducive to threads or searches, and the ads -- the ADS -- and the tracking. I just can't do it. Community sites like Disqus, Diaspora, Friendica, (or even my own platform ) etc., are ok, as long as there's an email component, which is still the #1 "killer app." For me, I filter all incoming emails into various folders. All emails "From:" hidden-tech.net or with the "Subject" of [Hidden-tech] get moved to lists/HiddenTech in my email program (Thunderbird) and it's easy to search, sort, etc. I don't have to do anything other than go to that folder and delete any emails I don't care about (looking at the subject) and read the rest. In any event, moving from an email-based community to a web platform of any kind will risk losing a high percentage of your members, unless you're able to export/import them. Can't do that with FB or Google platforms. Maybe with the community sites... but how many will go with the transition? Like I said... email is king. Is it broke? Mik --- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 6/9/2020 4:42 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Time for another review of how HT works for you each. > > A long discussion always leads to people dropping off, many of whom > forget this defeats the purpose of having more people to help, at the > cost of a few uninteresting emails.? We tried FB and Linkedin a while > back,? while little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years. > We also get few additional members so there are clearly not much PR > happening. > > What you may not know, here is a summary of members. > Invalid:???? 2429? (means email addresses that bounced) > No mail:??? 501?? (members who dropped off) > Valid:??? ??? 2429 > > Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own > https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753 > (it is currently hidden) > > I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a number of > options: > This is one of the more interesting because it will run on a standard > apache/php server : https://friendi.ca/ > > There are more here: http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/ > > I am wondering how many would use any of these. > Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to options if there > is interest. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At this point, I am ready to pay somebody who is an AWS expert, if necessary, though I am guessing that it can be resolved in just a few minutes. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Problems with AWS API and CORS Date: 08.06.2020 10:34 From: Alan Frank To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Hi, I am a newbie with AWS (learning it via acloudguru.com, where I posted my question a few days ago and have gotten no responses) and am running into problems with CORS; specifically, I am getting an error when my JS code attempts to call my API: "Access to XMLHttpRequest at 'https://.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/default' from origin 'https://s3.amazonaws.com' has been blocked by CORS policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource." There is a huge amount of information out there, but most of it appears to be either irrelevant or over my head. I did figure out that I might be able to look at an access log to see what is going on. I found the instructions on setting this up (https://docs.aws.amazon.com/apigateway/latest/developerguide/set-up-logging.html#set-up-access-logging-using-console), but they tell me to "Sign in to the API Gateway console, select an API, choose Settings from the primary navigation panel, and enter an ARN in CloudWatch log role ARN." However, this field does not seem to exist. I have provided this feedback to AWS, but am not expecting a timely response. I'd be grateful for any help. --Alan From bram at greenfielddigital.com Thu Jun 11 20:25:23 2020 From: bram at greenfielddigital.com (Bram Moreinis) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wordpress Developer: About 15-20 hours/month In-Reply-To: <201324832.2044956.1591901215186@mail.yahoo.com> References: <201324832.2044956.1591901215186.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <201324832.2044956.1591901215186@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345467c-d758-bee4-eb3a-61f31be8ada3@greenfielddigital.com> Hey, List. I ran a student web clinic in Vermont for the past two years (now returning to teach in MA, in Springfield).? I left two "Wordpress Level I" students to form a consulting group together, after each has made two sites for small clients. This one, https://vtgoesgreen.org, is a substantial client (in terms of size and needs, not money - it's a nonprofit) that does sustainable transportation clearinghouse and advocacy.???? They need a mentor they can check in with, and a developer who can fix things. The site is BuddyPress + TheEventsCalendar with a BuddyBoss theme, and is in that "configuring" phase where the basics work (except for one problem) and the path to deliver all the functions they need seems straighforward (except for one challenge). What they need in the short term is a fix for the problem and a solution to the challenge; what they'd like for the long term is a solo Wordpress developer (not a firm where big clients edge out little ones) with an educational bent, who doesn't mind mentoring the students while also billing for support work. I thought there would be many such people in Burlington, but it turns out that the folks I knew there who fit that bill are $150/hour and booked for the summer.? They're scouting around for others, but I wanted to check out whether our Franklin County Depressed Economy might yield a fit for them. If interested in knowing more, please reach out to me. -Bram -- Bram Moreinis, Teacher Website: Springfield Lyceum College Prep Phone Number: 845-750-2412 (cell), 413-829-0355 (VOIP) Professional Portfolio: myinstructionaldesigns.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Email me directly. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From debchandler411 at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 19:14:35 2020 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:14:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Seeking reliable, honest plumber * * * Message-ID: Hi folks, I am seeking a reliable, honest plumber who can complete this set-up for my dad (see attached). He lives in the greater Lowell area. In days gone by, he could have done this work himself, but at 85 years of age now, he needs to hire someone. He is an engineer, did this drawing himself and this is his description below. (He was a field engineer for IBM for 30+ years, if you wanna talk shop; I remember going to work with him and seeing the room-sized computers. :-) ) 1) The street water supply enters the system as noted. It is plumbed to feed the two 300 gal. tanks in series with the normal supply. which then supplies the house with fresh water which has passed through the two tanks to keep them fresh. 2) The service has a system of manual ball valves to enable it to bypass the tanks or pass through the tanks. Mind you, we have a whole house electric system which is powered by natural gas which kicks in automatically when the street power is interrupted. If the gas is interrupted, the bypass system allows us to live on the water tanks. 3) We have nothing to hide from the Town of ______________. It's just that it does tend to complicate things and slow the process. We need to keep it ONE way or the other once we start, because a license would have to be issued and a formal diagram showing exactly how it is to be done. 4) You may have noticed the "Deep well pump" which provides household pressure to keep it standard. The valve at the left end labeled "Float valve" allows the street pressure to keep the tanks up to the maximum level and not over. The tanks are not pressurized and cannot be!! 5) Access to the water supply if the system is shutdown is through the faucet, which has a garden hose thread for filling pitchers or other attachment devices. 6) Timeline for this project is asap. Please send prospects and questions to me, and I will forward to my dad. Thanks, Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, this is not a remote working opportunity. We've not had good success with that model. Doesn't need to be a full time job if folks aree trying to balance life with families, etc. We're pretty progressive. We are looking for resumes and cover letters. Feel free to pass this along to anyone you think might be interested or qualified. Cheers! -- Shawn Gundersen President Norseman Audio Video Systems, Inc www.norsemanav.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Sat Jun 13 13:06:13 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Rural fast internet Message-ID: For those of you who are stuck on dial-up or expensive satellite or even slow DSL, Elon Musk's (Tesla, SpaceX) company Starlink is planning to start opening their satellite internet up for beta testers by late summer/early fall and general availability soon after. Starlink is different than HughesNet and Viasat in two ways - their satellites are in much lower orbit and there will be many more of them, so the latency (time between when you click the button and when things happen) is the same or quicker than cable. Their upload/download speed and pricing should also be comparable to cable as well, although no numbers have been released yet. They will have an antenna described as "a large pizza box on a stick" that will automatically align itself to point to satellites, and they say setup should be as simple as attach the receiver to your deck railing or house where it has a view of the sky, plug it into your router/computer, plug it into the wall socket, let it align and you're set. 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What are people loving for Mac-happy 4-8+ TB external drives these days that can be set up for wireless data transfer? 2) As far as Cloud-based auto-backup services?for a single computer, less than 10-20 TB?is Carbonite still a (or the) fave? 3) A local vendor who will take the 2 dozen old external drives I have (with various inputs and outputs) and consolidate ALL the info onto one new drive, and help me find a good way to trade-in the old ones and/or donate them to a good cause? I know I was in contact (via this list) in recent 2-4 years with a well-recommended someone re: #3, but regrettably cannot for the life of me find that email thread! Many thanks, and hoping all are staying safe in these weird times. Adam Adam Bauer Customized sourcing & trips to India and beyond Pre-buy my new album here: https://bit.ly/ReturntotheSacred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone may not feel the effects right away, but down the road will likely suffer with anxiety, depression, memory loss, tinnitus, digestive issues, sleep disturbance, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, cancer, diabetes, dementia...and with the second wave of Covid predicted for the fall, some of these symptoms will be blamed on Covid. Please use due diligence, do your research. Visit www.5Gcrisis.com and check out the many groups, some on Facebook, who are focused on these issues. Plenty of videos on YouTube (and because YouTube is censoring, try Bitchute and LBRY). I am happy to provide links and direct folks to the key people who are fighting the 5G deployment. In MA, Cece Doucette in Ashland is heading the charge, filing bills with our legislators. She travels all around, doing workshops on these issues. We all know the telecom lobbyists are being incredibly persistent with our legislators, and money is no object. It is a tough battle. We have an unalienable right to protect our very health and wellbeing. Thanks for listening, Deb On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 11:13 AM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > For those of you who are stuck on dial-up or expensive satellite or even > slow DSL, Elon Musk's (Tesla, SpaceX) company Starlink is planning to start > opening their satellite internet up for beta testers by late summer/early > fall and general availability soon after. > > Starlink is different than HughesNet and Viasat in two ways - their > satellites are in much lower orbit and there will be many more of them, so > the latency (time between when you click the button and when things happen) > is the same or quicker than cable. Their upload/download speed and pricing > should also be comparable to cable as well, although no numbers have been > released yet. > > They will have an antenna described as "a large pizza box on a stick" that > will automatically align itself to point to satellites, and they say setup > should be as simple as attach the receiver to your deck railing or house > where it has a view of the sky, plug it into your router/computer, plug it > into the wall socket, let it align and you're set. > > If you're interested, you can sign up to get updates and to possibly get > to be a beta tester here: > https://www.starlink.com/ > > Sam > -- > > ------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > *One place for all things Web* > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Sat Jun 13 18:22:31 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Rural fast internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88ceac84-99ca-e43e-9677-8fb0fd881157@itabix.com> Hi Deb, I have family and a lot of friends who are EMF sensitive and I believe they are the canaries in the coal mine in terms of our EMF exposure. I am worried about 5G as well. Starlink doesn't use 5G, which is in the 3.5-4.2 GHz range; it uses a number of frequencies that are normally used for satellite communication - 10.7-12.7 GHz, 13.85-14.5 GHz, 17.8-18.6 GHz, 18.8-19.3 GHz, 27.5-29.1 GHz, and 29.5-30 GHz bands. There are a few reasons why Starlink doesn't have anywhere near the potential for damage as 5G. 5G is a somewhat higher frequency than 4G (2-8GHz) and 3G (1.8-2.5GHz). The higher the frequency, the more energy is needed to penetrate structures like buildings and the more it needs to be line of site. Because of this, and because they're carrying a lot more information, they need a lot more antennae with a total higher energy than 3G or 4G which means a lot more exposure of the population to EMF. Because Starlink is just sending radio waves to and from a receiver exposed to the sky and it doesn't need to penetrate buildings, the amount of energy needed is far lower. Also, Starlink uses a phased array antenna which uses a narrow beam that is targeted between the antennae, not omnidirectional like cell phones, radios, TV, etc. so the amount of EMF received drops off pretty quickly as you get farther from the antenna. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 6/13/2020 12:21 PM, Deborah Chandler wrote: > Hi Sam, > > With all due respect, folks need to realize that if they invite 5G > into their homes, they could very well be inviting severe health issues. > > As someone who already experiences health issues from 2, 3 and 4G. And > honestly, it is near impossible to get an honest answer from the > telecom industry as to where their 5G is already deployed. I have > tried to ask Verizon where their 5G towers are, and they refuse to > answer, citing vandalism as the reason) > > I strongly discourage exposure to 5G. Someone may not feel the effects > right away, but down the road will likely suffer with anxiety, > depression, memory loss, tinnitus, digestive issues, sleep > disturbance, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, cancer, > diabetes, dementia...and with the second wave of Covid predicted for > the fall, some of these symptoms will be blamed on Covid. > > Please use due diligence, do your research. Visit www.5Gcrisis.com > and check out the many groups, some on > Facebook, who are focused on these issues. Plenty of videos on YouTube > (and because YouTube is censoring, try Bitchute and LBRY). I am happy > to provide links and direct folks to the key people who are fighting > the 5G deployment. In MA, Cece Doucette in Ashland is heading the > charge, filing bills with our legislators. She travels all around, > doing workshops on these issues. We all know the telecom lobbyists are > being incredibly persistent with our legislators, and money is no > object. It is a tough battle. We have an unalienable right to protect > our very health and wellbeing. > > Thanks for listening, > Deb > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 11:13 AM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > For those of you who are stuck on dial-up or expensive satellite > or even slow DSL, Elon Musk's (Tesla, SpaceX) company Starlink is > planning to start opening their satellite internet up for beta > testers by late summer/early fall and general availability soon > after. > > Starlink is different than HughesNet and Viasat in two ways - > their satellites are in much lower orbit and there will be many > more of them, so the latency (time between when you click the > button and when things happen) is the same or quicker than cable. > Their upload/download speed and pricing should also be comparable > to cable as well, although no numbers have been released yet. > > They will have an antenna described as "a large pizza box on a > stick" that will automatically align itself to point to > satellites, and they say setup should be as simple as attach the > receiver to your deck railing or house where it has a view of the > sky, plug it into your router/computer, plug it into the wall > socket, let it align and you're set. > > If you're interested, you can sign up to get updates and to > possibly get to be a beta tester here: > https://www.starlink.com/ > > Sam > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Sat Jun 13 19:05:52 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:05:52 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Rural fast internet In-Reply-To: <88ceac84-99ca-e43e-9677-8fb0fd881157@itabix.com> References: <88ceac84-99ca-e43e-9677-8fb0fd881157@itabix.com> Message-ID: Sam, Thanks for a detailed, technical and reasoned response to Deb's 5G response. I need to remind people that this list is not a political list and not the place for political rants, not matter how justified you may feel. Only short responses directly on topic will be allowed -- keep your rants to places like FB. Please people remember why people are here -- and Stay well. Rich On 6/13/2020 2:22 PM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi Deb, > > I have family and a lot of friends who are EMF sensitive and I believe > they are the canaries in the coal mine in terms of our EMF exposure. I > am worried about 5G as well. > > Starlink doesn't use 5G, which is in the 3.5-4.2 GHz range; it uses a > number of frequencies that are normally used for satellite > communication - 10.7-12.7 GHz, 13.85-14.5 GHz, 17.8-18.6 GHz, > 18.8-19.3 GHz, 27.5-29.1 GHz, and 29.5-30 GHz bands. There are a few > reasons why Starlink doesn't have anywhere near the potential for > damage as 5G. > > 5G is a somewhat higher frequency than 4G (2-8GHz) and 3G > (1.8-2.5GHz). The higher the frequency, the more energy is needed to > penetrate structures like buildings and the more it needs to be line > of site. Because of this, and because they're carrying a lot more > information, they need a lot more antennae with a total higher energy > than 3G or 4G which means a lot more exposure of the population to EMF. > > Because Starlink is just sending radio waves to and from a receiver > exposed to the sky and it doesn't need to penetrate buildings, the > amount of energy needed is far lower. Also, Starlink uses a phased > array antenna which uses a narrow beam that is targeted between the > antennae, not omnidirectional like cell phones, radios, TV, etc. so > the amount of EMF received drops off pretty quickly as you get farther > from the antenna. > > Sam > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 6/13/2020 12:21 PM, Deborah Chandler wrote: >> Hi Sam, >> >> With all due respect, folks need to realize that if they invite 5G >> into their homes, they could very well be inviting severe health issues. >> >> As someone who already experiences health issues from 2, 3 and 4G. >> And honestly, it is near impossible to get an honest answer from the >> telecom industry as to where their 5G is already deployed. I have >> tried to ask Verizon where their 5G towers are, and they refuse to >> answer, citing vandalism as the reason) >> >> I strongly discourage exposure to 5G. Someone may not feel the >> effects right away, but down the road will likely suffer with >> anxiety, depression, memory loss, tinnitus, digestive issues, sleep >> disturbance, heart attacks, congestive heart failure, cancer, >> diabetes, dementia...and with the second wave of Covid predicted for >> the fall, some of these symptoms will be blamed on Covid. >> >> Please use due diligence, do your research. Visit www.5Gcrisis.com >> and check out the many groups, some on >> Facebook, who are focused on these issues. Plenty of videos on >> YouTube (and because YouTube is censoring, try Bitchute and LBRY). I >> am happy to provide links and direct folks to the key people who are >> fighting the 5G deployment. In MA, Cece Doucette in Ashland is >> heading the charge, filing bills with our legislators. She travels >> all around, doing workshops on these issues. We all know the telecom >> lobbyists are being incredibly persistent with our legislators, and >> money is no object. It is a tough battle. We have an unalienable >> right to protect our very health and wellbeing. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> Deb >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 11:13 AM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss >> > > wrote: >> >> For those of you who are stuck on dial-up or expensive satellite >> or even slow DSL, Elon Musk's (Tesla, SpaceX) company Starlink is >> planning to start opening their satellite internet up for beta >> testers by late summer/early fall and general availability soon >> after. >> >> Starlink is different than HughesNet and Viasat in two ways - >> their satellites are in much lower orbit and there will be many >> more of them, so the latency (time between when you click the >> button and when things happen) is the same or quicker than cable. >> Their upload/download speed and pricing should also be comparable >> to cable as well, although no numbers have been released yet. >> >> They will have an antenna described as "a large pizza box on a >> stick" that will automatically align itself to point to >> satellites, and they say setup should be as simple as attach the >> receiver to your deck railing or house where it has a view of the >> sky, plug it into your router/computer, plug it into the wall >> socket, let it align and you're set. >> >> If you're interested, you can sign up to get updates and to >> possibly get to be a beta tester here: >> https://www.starlink.com/ >> >> Sam >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sam McClellan >> *Itabix, Inc* >> /One place for all things Web/ >> sam at itabix.com >> https://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >> Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Adam Bauer via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hello fellow HT?ers, > I have three questions, and while I know these are occasionally covered > here, I am asking them from my current perch because a) I?ve been digging > through my HT email archives and can?t find relevant recent responses, and > b) I know things and technology changes, so I am trying to stay current. > > 1) I?m having issues with my Apple Time Capsule no longer doing > auto-backups (and being too small now, in any case), so I need to find a > preferred external drive (4TB or larger) to set up for wireless, automatic > Time Machine backups. What are people loving for Mac-happy 4-8+ TB external > drives these days that can be set up for wireless data transfer? > > 2) As far as Cloud-based auto-backup services?for a single computer, less > than 10-20 TB?is Carbonite still a (or the) fave? > > 3) A local vendor who will take the 2 dozen old external drives I have > (with various inputs and outputs) and consolidate ALL the info onto one new > drive, and help me find a good way to trade-in the old ones and/or donate > them to a good cause? > > I know I was in contact (via this list) in recent 2-4 years with a > well-recommended someone re: #3, but regrettably cannot for the life of me > find that email thread! > > Many thanks, and hoping all are staying safe in these weird times. > > Adam > > > Adam Bauer > > Customized sourcing & trips to India and beyond > > *Pre-buy my new album here: https://bit.ly/ReturntotheSacred > * > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reaching out to voc-tech high schools or community colleges that teach programming Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:44 AM albelkin--- via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Any interest in free older computer books? They are mostly from around > 2000-2005, mostly various .NET technologies plus JavaScript, Python, etc. I > have a few dozen books ? take all or pick through them. I can arrange > contact-free pickup and can send a list if you let me know what you are > looking for. Just thought I?d ask before recycling them all. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Allen Belkin > > *Custom Software Solutions* > > PO Box 60144, Florence, MA 01062 > > E-mail: albelkin at comcast.net > > Phone: (413) 552-9080 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I encourage folks to look at Synology or Buffalo NAS devices. They are easily upgradable and modular. The 2 disk versions I would recommend setting up in RAID 1 (mirror) which requires 2 large drives (2x8tb drives to have 8tb storage). The 4 disk versions you can setup with 3 or 4 drives in a RAID 5 array, the RAID 5 setup means you effectively get to make use of 2/3 of the total disk space of all the 3-4 disks combined (aka 3x6tb Drives would net you 12gb of storage), you get a little speed increase but also redundancy (can lose one disk and still run). The ability to increase the drive size down the line in boxes like this is really valuable, I know people still making good use of older synology and buffalo NAS enclosures with newer larger drives. Of course systems like that are a bit more expensive, but often well worth it in the long run! Hope that helps! Thanks, Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill Pronouns: He/Him Green Earth Computers - Computer & Smartphone Repair 20A Crafts Ave Northampton, MA 01060 www.greenearthpc.us 413-282-8324 See what people are saying -- Check us out on Yelp! On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:13 AM Adam Bauer via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hello fellow HT?ers, > I have three questions, and while I know these are occasionally covered > here, I am asking them from my current perch because a) I?ve been digging > through my HT email archives and can?t find relevant recent responses, and > b) I know things and technology changes, so I am trying to stay current. > > 1) I?m having issues with my Apple Time Capsule no longer doing > auto-backups (and being too small now, in any case), so I need to find a > preferred external drive (4TB or larger) to set up for wireless, automatic > Time Machine backups. What are people loving for Mac-happy 4-8+ TB external > drives these days that can be set up for wireless data transfer? > > 2) As far as Cloud-based auto-backup services?for a single computer, less > than 10-20 TB?is Carbonite still a (or the) fave? > > 3) A local vendor who will take the 2 dozen old external drives I have > (with various inputs and outputs) and consolidate ALL the info onto one new > drive, and help me find a good way to trade-in the old ones and/or donate > them to a good cause? > > I know I was in contact (via this list) in recent 2-4 years with a > well-recommended someone re: #3, but regrettably cannot for the life of me > find that email thread! > > Many thanks, and hoping all are staying safe in these weird times. > > Adam > > > Adam Bauer > > Customized sourcing & trips to India and beyond > > *Pre-buy my new album here: https://bit.ly/ReturntotheSacred > * > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesley at hthconsulting.com Sun Jun 28 15:08:35 2020 From: lesley at hthconsulting.com (Lesley Schneider) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers Message-ID: Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? Thank you, Lesley From markdhamill at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 15:55:28 2020 From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:55:28 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing emails, it's very reliable. I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this > morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have > been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email > accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a > god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmoreinis at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 16:53:22 2020 From: bmoreinis at gmail.com (Bram Moreinis) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers Message-ID: ?Siteground! But they just raised prices. If too pricey, Bluehost. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. -- Bram Moreinis 845-750-2412 (txt) - - - - This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated. >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > ? > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >> >> Thank you, >> Lesley >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at rubberneck.net Sun Jun 28 17:09:15 2020 From: jeff at rubberneck.net (Jeff Mackler) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Obviously experiences vary, but I?d stay really far away from SiteGround. We?ve hosted hundreds of sites on dozens of hosts over the last 20 years, and SiteGround has been one of the worst. Their servers are unbelievably slow and support is less than helpful. GreenGeeks has been ok as a discount host - their servers were slow until a recent upgrade. I do appreciate their commitment to green hosting. We like Liquid Web best, but it?s not cheap. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing > emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this >> morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have >> been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email >> accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a >> god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >> >> Thank you, >> Lesley >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmaterialized at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 18:21:02 2020 From: dmaterialized at gmail.com (DM Cook) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 14:21:02 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MDDhosting is very inexpensive and quite reliable; dreamhost is slightly more expensive but even better. I can highly recommend both from personal experience. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing > emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this >> morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have >> been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email >> accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a >> god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >> >> Thank you, >> Lesley >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- DM Cook Instructional Designer & Technical Writer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Sun Jun 28 18:26:41 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 14:26:41 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use SiteGround - as for cost, depends what you are expecting, I've got 50+ wordpress (etc) sites on a $300/3y (about $8/mon) pro shared host account. Response is reasonable, I've not run into db issues and I don't send email from there. It does have issues with search engine trolling, same as anyplace else. This shows peaks in the load report, that usually last an hour and have not ever effect site traffic.? I can't comment on level of support since when I want support it's pretty far beyond most support people. I used to use mediatemple, I think they are now owned by GoDaddy now, and they did shutdown all sites on the account when there were issues. I dropped them about a year ago. it would help if you gave more details as to what kind of sites you have (even the URLs) Stay well all - Rich On 6/28/2020 11:55 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and > outgoing emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 > this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up > yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and > two different email accounts, one for each site. They are > expensive. 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URL: From markdhamill at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 18:59:02 2020 From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 14:59:02 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do work on hosts for many clients. I don't recommend BlueHost. Their servers are over-optimized, leading to lots of issues like timeouts. Also, they are owned by the Endurance International Group which buys hosts and consolidates them. I used to host on Hostgator and liked them, but EIG bought them and service went to hell. I frequently get the same experience with BlueHost and it's almost guaranteed you'll get some tech in India. I had the same experience with MediaTemple Grid. Bought by GoDaddy. I still have clients with virtual servers. I think those are managed better. GoDaddy is becoming a virtual host, essentially putting a front end in front of Amazon Web Services. It actually works pretty well, better than before, probably because of AWS's resiliency. What I really hate about GoDaddy is the constant upselling. There's a lot of buyer beware in this business. A good host today can easily go bad quickly. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:26 PM Rich at OTN wrote: > I use SiteGround - as for cost, depends what you are expecting, I've got > 50+ wordpress (etc) sites on a $300/3y (about $8/mon) pro shared host > account. > Response is reasonable, I've not run into db issues and I don't send email > from there. > It does have issues with search engine trolling, same as anyplace else. > This shows peaks in the load report, that usually last an hour and have not > ever effect site traffic. I can't comment on level of support since when I > want support it's pretty far beyond most support people. > > I used to use mediatemple, I think they are now owned by GoDaddy now, and > they did shutdown all sites on the account when there were issues. > I dropped them about a year ago. > > it would help if you gave more details as to what kind of sites you have > (even the URLs) > > Stay well all - Rich > On 6/28/2020 11:55 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing > emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this >> morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have >> been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email >> accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. 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URL: From lesley at hthconsulting.com Sun Jun 28 19:08:23 2020 From: lesley at hthconsulting.com (Lesley Schneider) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <945B7F59-A4ED-47A5-9D11-CC1D4A2EC9EB@hthconsulting.com> I saw Dreamhost. That is cloud hosting. I read that if a server goes down the whole system doesn?t go down like what I think happened with Earthlink. Of course, Earthlink will never tell you what happened. Anyway, is it true that cloud hosting has less massive outages? > On Jun 28, 2020, at 2:21 PM, DM Cook wrote: > > MDDhosting is very inexpensive and quite reliable; dreamhost is slightly more expensive but even better. I can highly recommend both from personal experience. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- > > DM Cook > Instructional Designer & Technical Writer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at bozaandesign.com Sun Jun 28 20:42:58 2020 From: john at bozaandesign.com (John Bozaan) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:42:58 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06E526B0-8346-4454-BCB7-46787F7252F8@bozaandesign.com> I can second GreenGeeks. Was going to dump them a few years back, but they have upgraded their service and customer support. The green aspect is nice too. SiteGround is always mentioned by developers as a great host, but I don?t have experience with them. Interesting to hear your comments on that, Jeff. Not a fan of Dreamhost, pain to use, clumsy interface, same for Bluehost. WP Engine is great but expensive. > On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Jeff Mackler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Obviously experiences vary, but I?d stay really far away from SiteGround. We?ve hosted hundreds of sites on dozens of hosts over the last 20 years, and SiteGround has been one of the worst. Their servers are unbelievably slow and support is less than helpful. > > GreenGeeks has been ok as a discount host - their servers were slow until a recent upgrade. I do appreciate their commitment to green hosting. > > We like Liquid Web best, but it?s not cheap. > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markdhamill at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 20:54:38 2020 From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: <945B7F59-A4ED-47A5-9D11-CC1D4A2EC9EB@hthconsulting.com> References: <945B7F59-A4ED-47A5-9D11-CC1D4A2EC9EB@hthconsulting.com> Message-ID: Cloud hosting can have fewer outages but it all depends on how it's engineered and how much you are willing to pay. The big cloud hosting providers like AWS and Azure have figured it out how to offer almost always available services, but it's not automatic. For example, it's cheaper to buy a cloud service that's in just one data center. All data centers have redundant power supplies and such that makes it unlikely that the data center will go down, but there are no guarantees. Generally issues like denial of service attacks are handled behind the scenes but you could still be affected. A cloud provider can't make your site well if it is engineered wrong. For example, if you are using WordPress and there is a buggy plugin causing issues, this is an application issue you will have to detect and fix and a cloud provider can't solve it. Cloud providers provide infrastructure only. Configured correctly, you can replicate your site in multiple hosting centers for the same cloud provider and have the alternative site go up automatically when the other one goes down. But even with cloud hosting it's pretty complex, so you need to know what you are doing or hire someone to do it for you. For example, if you maintain a dynamic database, you want any changes to the master database to be replicated to the slave. Doing something like this is not easy, and it's not easy to have the secondary site become the primary and replicate any changes to its database back to the primary one. Cloud hosts also don't provide much in the way of hand holding, so you need to bring these skills with you or hire someone who has them. Generally, most people's needs aren't this complex and they don't want to pay for all these fancy features. In that case I'd stick with a big cloud provider like AWS in one data center. While you can't guarantee that the site won't go down, it's pretty unlikely. But there is a learning curve for cloud providers compared to general web hosting. General web hosting is much more easy to use. For example, you can do most things yourself with cPanel or Plesk. You probably won't get that from a cloud provider, and the web interface you get is likely to be minimal. Depending on how important this is for you, you might want to get some cloud education. There should be training both online and in the classroom, and in the latter you can try it all online with an instructor. IMHO, there is a lot of "cloud hosting" that really isn't so beware of snake oil. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 4:29 PM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I saw Dreamhost. That is cloud hosting. I read that if a server goes down > the whole system doesn?t go down like what I think happened with Earthlink. > Of course, Earthlink will never tell you what happened. Anyway, is it true > that cloud hosting has less massive outages? > > On Jun 28, 2020, at 2:21 PM, DM Cook wrote: > > MDDhosting is very inexpensive and quite reliable; dreamhost is slightly > more expensive but even better. I can highly recommend both from personal > experience. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit >> expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing >> emails, it's very reliable. >> >> I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >>> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this >>> morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have >>> been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email >>> accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a >>> god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Lesley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -- > > DM Cook > Instructional Designer & Technical Writer > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Sun Jun 28 21:52:40 2020 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:52:40 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have to say I had a site with Siteground and I was not at all happy with their bait-and-switch pricing. The second year was around 3x as much as the first year and I switched out. That site was troublesome in ways that I don't think were Siteground's fault, and I ended up closing it. I know they are considered the big bad wolf (or big bad alligator ;-) )of hosting, but I have been quite happy with Hostgator, which hosts about ten sites for me all within a single "baby" account. To the server, they are kind of like subdomains, but to the visitor, they look like separate sites. Once you get a tech support person on chat (time has varied from instant to 20 minutes or so), they generally know what they are doing and solve the problem--including the occasional security breach. Down times have been present, but minimal. And if you don't mind sharing your server, they are very inexpensive. Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" ________________________________________________ Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame * Certified speaker: International Platform Association http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) Watch my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 (move your mouse to "event videos") _________________________________________________ On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing > emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this >> morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have >> been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email >> accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a >> god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >> >> Thank you, >> Lesley >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Sun Jun 28 22:23:24 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you want a cheap virtual machine/cloud host provider, https://scaleway.com is about as cheap as they come ($2.99/m gets you a 20GB storage machine with 2 X86 64bit - 2 GB Memory).? I use them.? They are geared towards the small/medium enterprise market and not the mom and pop store though.? The reason I use them is the price ? they are the only cloud server provider I've seen that doesn't pay for bandwidth and my primary use case is as a backup server meaning I am constantly uploading/downloading large amounts of data ? I used to use AWS and was paying twice to three times what I pay with Scaleway.? They have a primarily EU market and do not accept US direct deposits, meaning I need to call my bank every month for my credit card to go through. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-06-28 5:52 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Have to say I had a site with Siteground and I was not at all happy > with their bait-and-switch pricing. The second year was around 3x as > much as the first year and I switched out. That site was troublesome > in ways that I don't think were Siteground's fault, and I ended up > closing it. > > I know they are considered the big bad wolf (or big bad alligator ;-) > )of hosting, but I have been?quite happy with Hostgator, which hosts > about ten sites for me all within a single "baby" account. To the > server, they are kind of like subdomains, but to the visitor, they > look like separate sites. Once you get a tech support person on chat > (time has varied from instant to 20 minutes or so), they > generally?know what they are doing and solve the problem--including > the occasional security breach. Down times have been present, but > minimal. And if you don't mind sharing your server, they are very > inexpensive. > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur" > ________________________________________________ > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > * Certified speaker: International Platform Association > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com > 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. > Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World > (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > Watch my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > (move your mouse to "event videos") > _________________________________________________ > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit > expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and > outgoing emails, it's very reliable. > > I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via > Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 > this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back > up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to > websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. > They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, > reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the > Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesley at hthconsulting.com Sun Jun 28 23:35:26 2020 From: lesley at hthconsulting.com (Lesley Schneider) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 19:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: <06E526B0-8346-4454-BCB7-46787F7252F8@bozaandesign.com> References: <06E526B0-8346-4454-BCB7-46787F7252F8@bozaandesign.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone! > On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, John Bozaan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > I can second GreenGeeks. Was going to dump them a few years back, but they have upgraded their service and customer support. The green aspect is nice too. SiteGround is always mentioned by developers as a great host, but I don?t have experience with them. Interesting to hear your comments on that, Jeff. > > Not a fan of Dreamhost, pain to use, clumsy interface, same for Bluehost. WP Engine is great but expensive. > >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Jeff Mackler via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> >> Obviously experiences vary, but I?d stay really far away from SiteGround. We?ve hosted hundreds of sites on dozens of hosts over the last 20 years, and SiteGround has been one of the worst. Their servers are unbelievably slow and support is less than helpful. >> >> GreenGeeks has been ok as a discount host - their servers were slow until a recent upgrade. I do appreciate their commitment to green hosting. >> >> We like Liquid Web best, but it?s not cheap. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> Siteground has good, completely solid state shared hosting, a bit expensive. If you can live with its quotas on database size and outgoing emails, it's very reliable. >> >> I haven't used them, but I've heard good things about Dreamhost. >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? >> >> Thank you, >> Lesley >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aliassolutions at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 00:17:37 2020 From: aliassolutions at gmail.com (Paul Stallman) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So I either recommend Pressable.com or we resell managed Pressable.com as part of our hosting offering to clients where we take care of all of the updates and other maint. as well as offer an hour of our consulting or content edits to the site for one fixed yearly price. Pressable is now owned by Automattic, the company that makes/curates Wordpress. It's rock solid hosting with close to 100% uptime and has amazing customer service. 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Can anyone recommend a > god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Mon Jun 29 10:01:57 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 06:01:57 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have heard good things about SiteGround, and as a developer I like that they use a relatively standard version of cPanel. In terms of working on other people's sites, my experience with the interfaces for most of the other big names are awful to work with IMO. I highly recommend Itabix, one of the few local hosting companies (not resellers), but I am biased as it's my company ;-) Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 6/28/2020 11:08 AM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. 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But, for recent WordPress sites, I've gone to fastcomet.com - not exactly cheap, but very fast, and quick and responsive tech support. And they know their stuff. Stay healthy, -Roy On 6/29/20 6:01 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I have heard good things about SiteGround, and as a developer I like > that they use a relatively standard version of cPanel. In terms of > working on other people's sites, my experience with the interfaces for > most of the other big names are awful to work with IMO. > > I highly recommend Itabix, one of the few local hosting companies (not > resellers), but I am biased as it's my company ;-) > > Best, > Sam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 6/28/2020 11:08 AM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. 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You can send a free fax a day and otherwise, the costs are pretty inexpensive for additional faxes. Best David On 6/29/2020 12:42 PM, Joan Long via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi HT > I know, faxing is so 1995, but we still need it on occasion for financial forms. Do you know of a specific ?e? fax service that you recommed for strong security features? > Looking to avoid the clunky fax machine yet still offer the choice for clients to ?fax?. > > Thanks in advance! > > Joan > > Joan Long > Essential Office Services > @essentialjl > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- -- ============================================ David Korpiewski Senior Software Specialist CICS - UMASS Amherst 413-545-4319 ============================================ From claudia at claudiagere.com Mon Jun 29 20:18:54 2020 From: claudia at claudiagere.com (claudia at claudiagere.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:18:54 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] =?utf-8?b?4oCcReKAnSBmYXg=?= In-Reply-To: <309CB14C-AE3D-4BBD-9B60-7D657E000DB4@comcast.net> References: <309CB14C-AE3D-4BBD-9B60-7D657E000DB4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1f6801d64e52$833f5920$89be0b60$@ClaudiaGere.com> I've used Faxzero.com many times successfully. Best, Claudia Claudia Gere & Co. LLC Helping Smart People Become Outstanding Authors TM http://tiny.cc/nameyourbook +1.413-359.0003 ClaudiaGere.com -----Original Message----- From: Hidden-discuss On Behalf Of Joan Long via Hidden-discuss Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:42 PM To: Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: [Hidden-tech] ?E? fax Hi HT I know, faxing is so 1995, but we still need it on occasion for financial forms. Do you know of a specific ?e? fax service that you recommed for strong security features? Looking to avoid the clunky fax machine yet still offer the choice for clients to ?fax?. Thanks in advance! Joan Joan Long Essential Office Services @essentialjl _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From aaron at taylorwaldman.com Mon Jun 29 22:24:32 2020 From: aaron at taylorwaldman.com (Aaron Taylor-Waldman) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web Hosting Providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://aiso.net/ has been a solid, shared web host for a couple of simple websites?it is 'solar powered' which feels like a nice perk to be able to offer customers. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:24 AM RA Cohen via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I have experience with the former LunarPages (now Hostpapa) - not bad over > the years. They have hosted my email, with close to 200,000 or so messages > currently. But, for recent WordPress sites, I've gone to fastcomet.com - > not exactly cheap, but very fast, and quick and responsive tech support. > And they know their stuff. > > Stay healthy, > > -Roy > On 6/29/20 6:01 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > I have heard good things about SiteGround, and as a developer I like that > they use a relatively standard version of cPanel. In terms of working on > other people's sites, my experience with the interfaces for most of the > other big names are awful to work with IMO. > > I highly recommend Itabix, one of the few local hosting companies (not > resellers), but I am biased as it's my company ;-) > > Best, > Sam > > ------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > *One place for all things Web* > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 6/28/2020 11:08 AM, Lesley Schneider via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Good morning. Earthlink crashed from 10 nPM last night to 7:30 this morning nationwide. Not all parts of the country are back up yet. I have been with them since the 90?s. I have to websites and two different email accounts, one for each site. They are expensive. Can anyone recommend a god, stable, reasonably priced service for my needs? > > Thank you, > Lesley > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Network Advantage Associates > Roy A Cohen CEO > 413-223-9007 opt 1 > > Cloud Services > > Office 365 > Disaster Recovery > Cloud Desktops | Servers > Cloud Infrastructure - Migrations > > Traditional Services > > Security & Compliance > Risk Assessment > On / Off-Site Backups > Standby Off-Site Servers > Virtualization Solutions > Remote Monitoring & Maintenance > > Net-Voice Phone Services > > System Upgrades > Dramatic Cost Savings > Unlimited Calling > Advanced Feature Set > Business Continuity > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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