From alan at 8wheels.org Wed Apr 1 14:18:26 2020 From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 10:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Unable to access WordPress forums (resolved) In-Reply-To: <9e97abeb4894033ff24a9eec7af0af29@8wheels.org> References: <073901d6045e$940b6520$bc222f60$@edbride-pr.com> <9c551696-695b-7004-6ed5-39d3daa7812f@montaguewebworks.com> <9e97abeb4894033ff24a9eec7af0af29@8wheels.org> Message-ID: Whatever was going wrong on the WordPress forums has been resolved, so I have been able to post my question. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Unable to access WordPress forums Date: 31.03.2020 10:37 From: Alan Frank To: Hidden Tech I am trying to get WordPress running (because it is part of the AWS training I'm doing) and ran into an issue. I figured that I'd ask on the support forums. To do this requires an account, so I tried to register. I was able to enter my desired username, but then got a 502 error after pressing Submit (or the equivalent). Nonetheless, I got an e-mail with a link to complete my registration, but clicking on that link--maybe a minute or two after it was generated--gave a message that it was expired. This was all on Chrome. I tried again on Firefox and also got the 502 error. Any suggestions on how to register, how to ask my question, or how to let WordPress know about my registration issue? I suppose I could ask a friend who is already registered to post the support issue for me, but getting my own account would be preferable. I did not post this to fish for a solution to the original problem, but in case anyone is curious, the issue is that wp-blog-header.php calls wp(), which fails because the function is not defined. Grepping the directory does not show it as being defined anywhere. There is no ?> at the end of that file, so I thought that maybe it had been truncated, but the original on Github looks the same. A similar question was posted a couple of years ago on the WP support forum and the issue was that wp-config.php had been blanked, but that is not the case here. --Alan From rob at 2disc.com Thu Apr 2 22:44:03 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 22:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Revisited: A Strange Cold Going Around? Message-ID: Hi All, Off list I've gotten a few more stories in line with the odd symptoms I and others mentioned. It's definitely going around. I'm sigin' in Val's chorus about masks being crucial--science has shown this for decades--and I'd love to give some kind of resources to people out there who can sew a bunch. Any material helps. A horrifying video from a recent MIT study shows tons of floating, long-traveling droplets when healthy people talk normally, but I can't find it again (would appreciate the link). A March 30 study from UK's Imperial College reinforces the view that the virus is much more widespread now--meaning complication rate is much lower, but not meaning less complications and deaths. I still think it does not withstand scrutiny, but no time to explain. But if it's true, heck, those of us with this strange cold could be mostly over Covid-19 already! Meanwhile yesterday the surgeon general outright lied about "new" evidence of airborn--was mostly established in early February. Wishing you bravery in seeking truth. Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com From: Rob Laporte Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:53 PM To: Mitch Anthony Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] A Strange Cold Going Around? Hi All, Thanks for the feedback. I planned to write more today, but alas the darn illness had me bed-bound again. The symptoms noted here and in my other conversations are close enough to assign high-ish probability that they stem from the same infective agent. I spoke with my friend who got tested, and unfortunately there's less overlap that I thought--mainly, his passed quickly, and less fatigue, while it seems this one comes and goes over at least two weeks. Two days ago I thought I was done, and, wow, full vibrancy is so remarkable when it returns, but the affliction has returned, heading into three weeks now. I wanted to supply more links to reliable science in this email and spend time confirming the stats below, but I lost more time to sleep. Upshot is that the biases emerging from corruption at the WHO (mostly earlier) and at the CDC, the biases of great financial and political interests, and the huge forces of denial to which we are all variously subject, make it crucial to get a good cheat sheet of facts as established by qualified researchers who are subject to minimal financial incentives towards one conclusion or another. A big fork in current science has occurred in the last week or so. The prevailing science shows, for example, that the US peak is weeks away, at least 60% of our population will be infected within a year, of which 13% to 20% will need hospitalization, and 1.5% to 3.5% of infected will die. The new fork holds that the SARS-2 virus actually spread much more already, which lines up with the RO range of 4 to 6.7 (average # that one person infects) posited by a major brain trust at Los Alamos in mid to late February. This fork argues that therefore substantially less hospitalization and death are coming. An excellent but rather demanding video put a big torpedo in this new fork, but the ship isn't sunk and can withstand, barely, the second torpedo from understanding the above-noted forces of bias. If this new fork is true, then this peculiar illness we discuss here could be Covid-19 or an expression of one of the many (not just the main 2 or 3) mutations circulating now. In the last few days, slight but worrisome data has emerged suggesting that recovery does not prevent re-infection, but assuming that that data does not pan out, I too rather hope I have covid-19, and won't get worse. If this is the case, once tests are available to detect antibodies, I'd be cleared to help at the hospital or wherever. However, all things considered I lean towards the conclusion that this peculiar illness some of us have now is just a strange cold. I've known of other colds that come and go like this, and I and my brother had one once that lasted close to two months. If you don't already, I advise that you follow the two excellent daily ~25 minute videos summarizing the science and resulting best practices: Dr. John Campbell. A wonderfully avuncular, totally qualified British doctor. Peak Prosperity. This local (Montague, MA) PH.D. in pathology has for years run a "doom porn" site. He did called the housing crisis 2 years before it, but then got the financial markets and economy dead wrong (to be fair, most investing pros don't understand that this time it really is true that "This Time is Different" in financial markets because of Fed money printing institutionalized). For the pandemic he was pretty much 100% right in his predictions in late January. He surfaces excellent research and shows how egregiously wrong are some official and even scientists' publications. Be Well, Rob Laporte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitch at clarity-first.com Thu Apr 2 23:11:15 2020 From: mitch at clarity-first.com (Mitch Anthony) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:11:15 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Revisited: A Strange Cold Going Around? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14B7B79A-B0CC-4BBA-8DA8-77F5ED2CA55B@clarity-first.com> Rob, GCC is coordinating mask sewing. They?d love your support. Connect with me directly and I?ll share the right email for you. Mitch Anthony Clarity Working where mission fuels message 1.413.530.6978 mitch at clarity-first.com http://clarity-first.com https://twitter.com/MitchAnthony www.linkedin.com/in/mitchanthony/ > On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hi All, > > Off list I've gotten a few more stories in line with the odd symptoms I and others mentioned. It's definitely going around. > > I'm sigin' in Val's chorus about masks being crucial--science has shown this for decades--and I'd love to give some kind of resources to people out there who can sew a bunch. Any material helps. A horrifying video from a recent MIT study shows tons of floating, long-traveling droplets when healthy people talk normally, but I can't find it again (would appreciate the link). > > A March 30 study from UK's Imperial College reinforces the view that the virus is much more widespread now--meaning complication rate is much lower, but not meaning less complications and deaths. I still think it does not withstand scrutiny, but no time to explain. But if it's true, heck, those of us with this strange cold could be mostly over Covid-19 already! > > Meanwhile yesterday the surgeon general outright lied about "new" evidence of airborn--was mostly established in early February. > > Wishing you bravery in seeking truth. > > Rob Laporte > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > 413-584-6500 > rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com > > From: Rob Laporte > > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:53 PM > To: Mitch Anthony > > Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] A Strange Cold Going Around? > > Hi All, > > Thanks for the feedback. I planned to write more today, but alas the darn illness had me bed-bound again. > > The symptoms noted here and in my other conversations are close enough to assign high-ish probability that they stem from the same infective agent. I spoke with my friend who got tested, and unfortunately there's less overlap that I thought--mainly, his passed quickly, and less fatigue, while it seems this one comes and goes over at least two weeks. Two days ago I thought I was done, and, wow, full vibrancy is so remarkable when it returns, but the affliction has returned, heading into three weeks now. > > I wanted to supply more links to reliable science in this email and spend time confirming the stats below, but I lost more time to sleep. Upshot is that the biases emerging from corruption at the WHO (mostly earlier) and at the CDC, the biases of great financial and political interests, and the huge forces of denial to which we are all variously subject, make it crucial to get a good cheat sheet of facts as established by qualified researchers who are subject to minimal financial incentives towards one conclusion or another. > > A big fork in current science has occurred in the last week or so. The prevailing science shows, for example, that the US peak is weeks away, at least 60% of our population will be infected within a year, of which 13% to 20% will need hospitalization, and 1.5% to 3.5% of infected will die. The new fork holds that the SARS-2 virus actually spread much more already, which lines up with the RO range of 4 to 6.7 (average # that one person infects) posited by a major brain trust at Los Alamos in mid to late February. This fork argues that therefore substantially less hospitalization and death are coming. An excellent but rather demanding video put a big torpedo in this new fork, but the ship isn't sunk and can withstand, barely, the second torpedo from understanding the above-noted forces of bias. If this new fork is true, then this peculiar illness we discuss here could be Covid-19 or an expression of one of the many (not just the main 2 or 3) mutations circulating now. In the last few days, slight but worrisome data has emerged suggesting that recovery does not prevent re-infection, but assuming that that data does not pan out, I too rather hope I have covid-19, and won't get worse. If this is the case, once tests are available to detect antibodies, I'd be cleared to help at the hospital or wherever. However, all things considered I lean towards the conclusion that this peculiar illness some of us have now is just a strange cold. I've known of other colds that come and go like this, and I and my brother had one once that lasted close to two months. > > If you don't already, I advise that you follow the two excellent daily ~25 minute videos summarizing the science and resulting best practices: > > Dr. John Campbell . A wonderfully avuncular, totally qualified British doctor. > > Peak Prosperity . This local (Montague, MA) PH.D. in pathology has for years run a "doom porn" site. He did called the housing crisis 2 years before it, but then got the financial markets and economy dead wrong (to be fair, most investing pros don't understand that this time it really is true that "This Time is Different" in financial markets because of Fed money printing institutionalized). For the pandemic he was pretty much 100% right in his predictions in late January. He surfaces excellent research and shows how egregiously wrong are some official and even scientists' publications. > > Be Well, > > Rob Laporte > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at rubberneck.net Fri Apr 3 01:10:56 2020 From: jeff at rubberneck.net (Jeff Mackler) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 21:10:56 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Revisited: A Strange Cold Going Around? In-Reply-To: <14B7B79A-B0CC-4BBA-8DA8-77F5ED2CA55B@clarity-first.com> References: <14B7B79A-B0CC-4BBA-8DA8-77F5ED2CA55B@clarity-first.com> Message-ID: There?s a very active group on Facebook of local people sewing masks and discussing the details. There?s also a signup form for people looking for masks or donations to health organizations. On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:42 PM Mitch Anthony via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Rob, > > GCC is coordinating mask sewing. They?d love your support. Connect with me > directly and I?ll share the right email for you. > > Mitch Anthony > > Clarity > Working where mission fuels message > > 1.413.530.6978 > mitch at clarity-first.com > http://clarity-first.com > https://twitter.com/MitchAnthony > www.linkedin.com/in/mitchanthony/ > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Off list I've gotten a few more stories in line with the odd symptoms I > and others mentioned. It's definitely going around. > > I'm sigin' in Val's chorus about masks being crucial--science has shown > this for decades--and I'd love to give some kind of resources to people out > there who can sew a bunch. Any material helps. A horrifying video from a > recent MIT study shows tons of floating, long-traveling droplets when > healthy people talk normally, but I can't find it again (would appreciate > the link). > > A March 30 study from UK's Imperial College > reinforces > the view that the virus is much more widespread now--meaning complication > rate is much lower, but not meaning less complications and deaths. I still > think it does not withstand scrutiny, but no time to explain. But if it's > true, heck, those of us with this strange cold could be mostly over > Covid-19 already! > > Meanwhile yesterday the surgeon general outright lied about "new" evidence > of airborn--was mostly established in early February. > > Wishing you bravery in seeking truth. > > Rob Laporte > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > 413-584-6500 > rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com > > > *From:* Rob Laporte > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:53 PM > *To:* Mitch Anthony > *Cc:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] A Strange Cold Going Around? > > Hi All, > > Thanks for the feedback. I planned to write more today, but alas the darn > illness had me bed-bound again. > > The symptoms noted here and in my other conversations are close enough to > assign high-ish probability that they stem from the same infective agent. I > spoke with my friend who got tested, and unfortunately there's less overlap > that I thought--mainly, his passed quickly, and less fatigue, while it > seems this one comes and goes over at least two weeks. Two days ago I > thought I was done, and, wow, full vibrancy is so remarkable when it > returns, but the affliction has returned, heading into three weeks now. > > I wanted to supply more links to reliable science in this email and spend > time confirming the stats below, but I lost more time to sleep. Upshot is > that the biases emerging from corruption at the WHO (mostly earlier) and at > the CDC, the biases of great financial and political interests, and the > huge forces of denial to which we are all variously subject, make it > crucial to get a good cheat sheet of facts as established by qualified > researchers who are subject to minimal financial incentives towards one > conclusion or another. > > A big fork in current science has occurred in the last week or so. The > prevailing science shows, for example, that the US peak is weeks away, at > least 60% of our population will be infected within a year, of which 13% to > 20% will need hospitalization, and 1.5% to 3.5% of infected will die. The > new fork holds that the SARS-2 virus actually spread much more already, > which lines up with the RO range of 4 to 6.7 (average # that one person > infects) posited by a major brain trust at Los Alamos in mid to late > February. This fork argues that therefore substantially less > hospitalization and death are coming. An excellent but rather demanding > video put a big torpedo in this new fork, but the ship isn't sunk and can > withstand, barely, the second torpedo from understanding the above-noted > forces of bias. If this new fork is true, then this peculiar illness we > discuss here could be Covid-19 or an expression of one of the many (not > just the main 2 or 3) mutations circulating now. In the last few days, > slight but worrisome data has emerged suggesting that recovery does not > prevent re-infection, but assuming that that data does not pan out, I too > rather hope I have covid-19, and won't get worse. If this is the case, once > tests are available to detect antibodies, I'd be cleared to help at the > hospital or wherever. However, all things considered I lean towards the > conclusion that this peculiar illness some of us have now is just a strange > cold. I've known of other colds that come and go like this, and I and my > brother had one once that lasted close to two months. > > If you don't already, I advise that you follow the two excellent daily ~25 > minute videos summarizing the science and resulting best practices: > > Dr. John Campbell . A > wonderfully avuncular, totally qualified British doctor. > > > Peak Prosperity > . This local (Montague, MA) PH.D. in pathology has for years run a "doom > porn" site. He did called the housing crisis 2 years before it, but then > got the financial markets and economy dead wrong (to be fair, most > investing pros don't understand that this time it really is true that "This > Time is Different" in financial markets because of Fed money printing > institutionalized). For the pandemic he was pretty much 100% right in his > predictions in late January. He surfaces excellent research and shows how > egregiously wrong are some official and even scientists' publications. > > > Be Well, > > Rob Laporte > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Mon Apr 6 13:18:05 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 09:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Thinking Through an Economic Contraction Message-ID: <2736a836-a144-13ae-255c-b1f56c94c278@tnrglobal.com> A VC's "comment Thinking Through an Economic Contraction" https://medium.com/@shastaVC/thinking-through-an-economic-contraction-666110798e52 It also happens to be from my son. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From cgauthier at simons-rock.edu Mon Apr 6 15:28:50 2020 From: cgauthier at simons-rock.edu (cgauthier) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 11:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] JOB: Network Administrator Message-ID: <3d6a754c27d31dc7c5fb99c76cd616ea@simons-rock.edu> Job Description: https://simons-rock.edu/early-college/contact-us/job-opportunities/it-network-administrator.php Send to: NetworkAdminSearch at simons-rock.edu Bard College at Simon?s Rock and Bard Academy are seeking candidates who will be able to eventually assume a wide range of network administration and other duties. Our most important qualifications for this position are motivation, desire and ability to learn a wide array of tasks including technical configuration, maintenance, customization of many complex hardware devices and systems, and the ability to integrate into a collaborative team-based work environment. This position reports to the Director of Instructional Technology and has significant interaction and involvement with members of the college community and outside vendors, and collaborates with colleagues from other institutions. Bard College at Simon?s Rock is a residential undergraduate college of the liberal arts and sciences that strives to cultivate and maintain a welcoming environment of equity and inclusion. Simon?s Rock is the nation?s only four-year college specifically designed for younger scholars. Located in Great Barrington, the college is a unit of Bard College located in Annandale-on-Hudson in New York. In 2014, Simon?s Rock opened Bard Academy at Simon?s Rock, a two year high school program for 9th- and 10th-graders on the path to starting college early. In addition to providing equal employment opportunities for all qualified persons, the College has a special commitment to seeking qualified women and people of color for its faculty and professional staff. As is stated right at the top of this posting, the ideal candidate for this position need not have extensive experience relating to all the below skills before coming on board. Much more important than any specific knowledge is an eagerness and ability to learn. The willingness to embrace technical challenges with a positive attitude in a small team environment is key, as is the willingness to ?stretch? and embrace acquiring new skills such as learning new programming languages, hardware platforms and developing coding/configuration skills. Research shows that Women and People of Color do not apply when they feel they do not meet all of the qualifications of a position. If you feel as if you do not meet the qualifications listed, please contact us at NetworkAdminSearch at simons-rock.edu. Responsibilities may eventually include most of the following Monitor and maintain stable, functional and secure data and telephone networks. Monitor and manage network traffic, analyzing and troubleshooting problems as they occur. Investigate, recommend and implement new hardware and software solutions. Work together with other members of the ITS department to plan and schedule upgrades to important systems and infrastructure while minimizing downtime. Monitor and oversee the configuration, maintenance, and updating of network switches, routers, firewalls, and other network hardware/software; install or oversee the installation of ethernet and fiber optic cabling. Configure packetshaper for the management of bandwidth and network resources; monitor and analyze the results of network data to optimize use and performance. Develop, implement, and maintain network monitoring as necessary for security and malware detection. Monitor network performance to determine whether adjustments need to be made; determine where network repairs, upgrades, and enhancements are warranted; implement changes and improvements. Troubleshoot outages or interruptions in network service; analyze and resolve wiring, hardware, and software issues. Plan the introduction of updated and new services on campus; facilitate network communications within and outside campus. Configure campus phone systems to provide robust service to faculty, staff and students on campus. Troubleshoot and resolve telephone hardware and wiring issues, working with other IT staff and with vendor technicians. Investigate new network hardware and software technology; recommend the acquisition of new technology; plan for the introduction of and the implementation of new hardware and software. Coordinate closely with the System Administrator, Director of Instructional Technology, Director of User Services and other staff to ensure smooth functioning of systems and network. Obtain configurations and quotes from vendors; work closely with senior staff inside and outside the ITS department to develop justification, pricing and funding alternatives. Communicate with College community (faculty, staff, students, alumni, and parents of students) regarding issues and topics related to the campus network and services. Other duties and responsibilities as assigned. Position Requirements Affinity for learning how to manipulate and maintain complex systems and hardware platforms. Willingness to push the bounds of one?s comfort level with regard to exploring systems, hardware, code and technical environments that may initially appear opaque and/or highly complex. Ability to physically lift and carry 25 pounds. Ability and willingness to work on ladders and also in tight quarters in order to install or service equipment deployed around campus. Ability to exercise discretion and independent judgment. Ability and willingness to be on periodic emergency on-call rotation as well as occasional night, weekend and very early morning work. Highly desirable Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science or related technical area or equivalent experience. Previous technical experience including system and network administration. In depth knowledge of network and telephone hardware and software. Familiarity with Cisco Catalyst and HP Procurve switches and routers, Cisco ASA, Cisco Meraki Wireless, Allot NetEnforcer packetshaper, and/or Samsung OfficeServ PBX. Interest in and/or experience with cloud-based platforms, such as Amazon Web Services Bard College at Simon?s Rock is an equal opportunity employer. We encourage applications from candidates of all races, nationalities, sexual orientations, gender identities, and socioeconomic levels. This is a full-time, 12 month-a-year, on-going position with excellent employee benefits. Employment is contingent upon successful completion of a background check. Please send a letter of interest, resume and contact information for four references to Charlie Derr, Director of Instructional Technology at NetworkAdminSearch at simons-rock.edu. No phone calls please. -- Chris Gauthier (He/Him) Director, User Services Bard College at Simon's Rock 84 Alford Road Great Barrington, MA 01230-1978 cgauthier at simons-rock.edu (413) 528-7471 From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Apr 7 21:57:27 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:57:27 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Covid resources (including about CARES Act) Message-ID: I have updated the front page of hidden-tech.net to include a series of documents about small business (shared from the SBA by Lawyer Paul Nicolai) as well as a (somewhat random) collection of resources from online. If anyone has additions please email offline and I will add them. Happy Trails and Stay healthy. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From cgdutton7 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 12:38:06 2020 From: cgdutton7 at gmail.com (Christine Dutton) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 08:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service Message-ID: Hello Hidden Tech Folks: Please recommend free favorite secure email services. Thank you! Christine *Christine Dutton* *Dutton Consulting * *413-626-6377* *Find me on Facebook here! * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Forgive us if we don't reply to all messages. We do our best. Christian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at yesexactly.com Wed Apr 8 14:57:43 2020 From: info at yesexactly.com (Tess Gadwa) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 07:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Hidden-tech] A request for help from Baystate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What are the best resources to use if you are only able to donate money and not supplies? On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hi friends on Hidden-Tech, > I have followed this list for years, rarely posted, helped others when I > could, but am now posting on behalf of Baystate Health to clarify where we > need help. So many people in the community have already reached out to > help. We are preparing a web page listing specific requirements for what we > really need. It is not yet officially live, but I post it here to get > feedback if there is something I have missed in the content published: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/medsupplies > > For the iOS developers on the list, I will point out one specific post: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/iosdev > > Please know that my colleagues and I are working harder than ever before > to help those in need and prepare for further increase in patient > population. Forgive us if we don't reply to all messages. We do our best. > > Christian > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s at smichel.me Wed Apr 8 15:25:18 2020 From: s at smichel.me (Stephen Michel) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 11:25:18 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> Very short version: *Probably* the best thing is to use Signal, not email. Short version: Email isn't secure. I can write (or better, link to) a longer explanation of why that's the case, but the bottom line is that it just wasn't built for privacy. You *can* build a secure system on top of email, by encrypting things before you send them through email using a different tool (pgp), and then decrypting them on the other end. But that's hard for most people to set up and still lacks a couple important security features (forward secrecy, metadata security). There's also providers like protonmail which add a *little* security. While acknowledging that something is better than nothing, there's still flaws in these systems and you shouldn't think you're getting strong security from using them. Longer version (in a follow-up email): This question as it stands is impossible to answer well, because security is a spectrum. Edward Snowden, the president, and you all have very different security needs. In order to arrive at a good answer, you need to figure out your security model. - Who do you want privacy from? Random everyday people? Friends? An abusive ex/partner? The government? A hacker? For whoever it is, are they doing it en masse or targeting you specifically? - Who will you be communicating with? If it's an elderly parent/grandparent, you need something simple enough that they can use it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how good the security is. - What information are you trying to protect? Is it just the contents of the conversation, or also the people you're talking to (eg, a whistleblower contacting a journalist needs this). For most "regular" people, I think Signal is a pretty good fit, and that's why I recommended it given I know nothing about your use case. -- I try to write short, functional emails. On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 08:38, Christine Dutton via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hello Hidden Tech Folks: > Please recommend free favorite secure email services. > Thank you! > Christine > *Christine Dutton* > *Dutton Consulting * > *413-626-6377* > *Find me on Facebook here! > * > * > * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/7/2020 10:33 PM, Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi friends on Hidden-Tech, > I have followed this list for years, rarely posted, helped others when > I could, but am now posting on behalf of Baystate Health to clarify > where we need help. So many people in the community have already > reached out to help. We are preparing a web page listing specific > requirements for what we really need. It is not yet officially live, > but I post it here to get feedback if there is something I have missed > in the content published: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/medsupplies > > For the iOS developers on the list, I will point out one specific post: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/iosdev > > Please know that my colleagues and I are working harder than ever > before to help those in need and prepare for further increase in > patient population. Forgive us if we don't reply to all messages. We > do our best. > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clagier at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 16:13:44 2020 From: clagier at gmail.com (Christian Lagier) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] A request for help from Baystate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for asking! One of the simplest and most direct way you can help, is by making a donation to the Baystate Health Fund for greatest needs. This fund provides resources that can be put to use immediately where the need is greatest and where your donation can do the most good. Here a link directly to donate page: https://secure2.convio.net/bayhf/site/Donation2;jsessionid=00000000.app295a?df_id=1682&mfc_pref=T&1682.donation=form1&NONCE_TOKEN=42DB0C70D4F85FE136F518619E41F931 Here's a link to the foundation page where you can learn more about giving and results: https://www.baystatehealth.org/giving Christian On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:57 AM Tess Gadwa wrote: > What are the best resources to use if you are only able to donate money > and not supplies? > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Hi friends on Hidden-Tech, >> I have followed this list for years, rarely posted, helped others when I >> could, but am now posting on behalf of Baystate Health to clarify where we >> need help. So many people in the community have already reached out to >> help. We are preparing a web page listing specific requirements for what we >> really need. It is not yet officially live, but I post it here to get >> feedback if there is something I have missed in the content published: >> https://www.techspringhealth.org/medsupplies >> >> For the iOS developers on the list, I will point out one specific post: >> https://www.techspringhealth.org/iosdev >> >> Please know that my colleagues and I are working harder than ever before >> to help those in need and prepare for further increase in patient >> population. Forgive us if we don't reply to all messages. We do our best. >> >> Christian >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tech at montaguewebworks.com Wed Apr 8 16:17:38 2020 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:17:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Covid resources (including about CARES Act) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f4a2862-92dd-fd4d-08ca-90e898ea9b96@montaguewebworks.com> The Greenfield Business Association is building a list of who's open in Greenfield, and links to the Chamber's page, the local radio stations' page, as well as someone named Debbie. * https://greenfieldbusiness.org/whos-open Mik --- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 4/7/2020 5:57 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I have updated the front page of hidden-tech.net to > include a series of documents about small business (shared from the > SBA by Lawyer Paul Nicolai) > as well as a (somewhat random) collection of resources from online. > > If anyone has additions please email offline and I will add them. > > Happy Trails and Stay healthy. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Wed Apr 8 18:12:29 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Covid resources (including about CARES Act) In-Reply-To: <1f4a2862-92dd-fd4d-08ca-90e898ea9b96@montaguewebworks.com> References: <1f4a2862-92dd-fd4d-08ca-90e898ea9b96@montaguewebworks.com> Message-ID: This and other (very) local links are at: http://www.greenfieldsfuture.org/ On 4/8/2020 12:17 PM, Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > The Greenfield Business Association is building a list of who's open > in Greenfield, and links to the Chamber's page, the local radio > stations' page, as well as someone named Debbie. > > * https://greenfieldbusiness.org/whos-open > > Mik > > --- > Mik Muller, president > Montague WebWorks > 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA > 413-320-5336 > http://MontagueWebWorks.com > Powered by ROCKETFUSION > On 4/7/2020 5:57 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> I have updated the front page of hidden-tech.net to >> include a series of documents about small business (shared from the >> SBA by Lawyer Paul Nicolai) >> as well as a (somewhat random) collection of resources from online. >> >> If anyone has additions please email offline and I will add them. >> >> Happy Trails and Stay healthy. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debchandler411 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 18:57:21 2020 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:57:21 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Covid resources (including about CARES Act) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rich, Could you please make it clear: Do you intend for those links on those lists to represent this *entire* community's opinions, or just *your* personal opinions? I would like to see some type of disclaimer saying who it represents. They do not represent me, as a longtime member of this community. I don't give a shit (pun intended) how to calculate my toilet paper use. And I have not worn a mask since Day One of this "pandemic". (I did, however, just make $350 selling two Vogmasks online; I was only asking $33 each, Vogmask's price) The guy insisted they were an unavailable commodity and he had the money. Go figure.) Your first link was to an article debunking the 5G/Covid-19 connection. That is the sweeping message du jour now. While the MSM has made a mess of reporting on the connection between 5G and Covid-19, just to corral anti-5G people into the "conspiracy theorist" camp, those of us who have spent a lot of time on anti-5G activism know the facts; 5G is dangerous technology, it harms life, it has been used by the military for years and can be used by the government against its own citizens. The symptoms of 5G exposure DO overlap the symptoms of Covid-19. And if you look at the global maps of Covid-19 cases alongside maps of 5G "deployment" (hmmm, a military term), you WILL see much overlap. Can I sit here and claim that I know for a fact that there is no such thing as a real virus called Covid-19? No, I cannot. We simply need to use our critical thinking skills and do our research. And to see the MSM make such headlines, I am actually grateful, because it means our anti-5G activism is reaching a critical mass and they have to address it, they see the need to do damage control. And where are links to information on how many of our civil liberties are being violated by the stay-at-home orders, the "no more than 10 can congregate" orders, the shutting down of gun shops and ranges, the orders to not cross state lines? The hundreds of dollars in fines being charged for violating these illegal orders? We need to resist these actions, not pay those fines. Nothing, not even a "deadly virus pandemic" can take these rights away from us. In closing, if anyone is working on the Constitutional/inalienable rights issues, knows any groups in MA who are, please let me/us know. Thanks, Deb On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I have updated the front page of hidden-tech.net to > include a series of documents about small business (shared from the SBA > by Lawyer Paul Nicolai) > as well as a (somewhat random) collection of resources from online. > > If anyone has additions please email offline and I will add them. > > Happy Trails and Stay healthy. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snmerz at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 19:58:33 2020 From: snmerz at gmail.com (Sabine Merz) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 15:58:33 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service- proton In-Reply-To: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> References: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> Message-ID: Hi Christine, Check out Proton. It has worked quite well for me https://protonmail.com/about And while Signal is indeed not email it is great to use. (It had had some hacking issues in the past.) Some info https://bit.ly/2Rn9t6e All my best, Sabine Merz > On Apr 8, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Very short version: *Probably* the best thing is to use Signal, not email. > > Short version: Email isn't secure. I can write (or better, link to) a longer explanation of why that's the case, but the bottom line is that it just wasn't built for privacy. You *can* build a secure system on top of email, by encrypting things before you send them through email using a different tool (pgp), and then decrypting them on the other end. But that's hard for most people to set up and still lacks a couple important security features (forward secrecy, metadata security). There's also providers like protonmail which add a *little* security. While acknowledging that something is better than nothing, there's still flaws in these systems and you shouldn't think you're getting strong security from using them. > > Longer version (in a follow-up email): This question as it stands is impossible to answer well, bec ause security is a spectrum. Edward Snowden, the president, and you all have very different security needs. In order to arrive at a good answer, you need to figure out your security model. > > - Who do you want privacy from? Random everyday people? Friends? An abusive ex/partner? The government? A hacker? For whoever it is, are they doing it en masse or targeting you specifically? > - Who will you be communicating with? If it's an elderly parent/grandparent, you need something simple enough that they can use it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how good the security is. > - What information are you trying to protect? Is it just the contents of the conversation, or also the people you're talking to (eg, a whistleblower contacting a journalist needs this). > > For most "regular" people, I think Signal is a pretty good fit, and that's why I recommended it given I know nothing about your use case. > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 08:38, Christine Dutton via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Hello Hidden Tech Folks: >> Please recommend free favorite secure email services. >> Thank you! >> Christine >> Christine Dutton >> Dutton Consulting >> 413-626-6377 >> Find me on Facebook here!? >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Wed Apr 8 20:21:56 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:21:56 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Covid resources (including about CARES Act) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1effaba0-1769-f98e-13ff-efee4422c77e@tnrglobal.com> Sorry for your reaction - I added a temporary disclaimer, to repeat >Note this list is currently in strict reverse date order, there is no priority nor intended support, > we expect it to have a more meaningful order fairly soon The tool I used is a bookmarker and doesn't (yet) have any control. And as for what they say. telling other these are happening is neither supporting or not supporting them. Happy Trails and Stay Healthy. R. On 4/8/2020 2:57 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi Rich, > > Could you please make it clear: Do you intend for those links on those > lists to represent this *entire* community's opinions, or just *your* > personal opinions? I would like to see some type of disclaimer saying > who it represents. They do not represent me, as a longtime member of > this community. > > I don't give a shit (pun intended) how to calculate my toilet paper > use. And I have not worn a mask since Day One of this "pandemic". (I > did, however, just make $350?selling two Vogmasks online; I was only > asking $33?each, Vogmask's price) The guy insisted they were an > unavailable commodity and he had the money. Go figure.) > > Your first link was to an article debunking the 5G/Covid-19 > connection. That is the sweeping message du jour now. While the MSM > has made a mess of reporting on the connection between 5G and > Covid-19, just to corral anti-5G people into the "conspiracy theorist" > camp, those of us who have spent a lot of time on anti-5G activism > know the facts; 5G is dangerous technology, it harms life, it has been > used by the military for years and can be used by the government > against its own citizens. The symptoms of 5G exposure DO overlap the > symptoms of Covid-19. And if you look at the global maps of Covid-19 > cases alongside maps of 5G "deployment" (hmmm, a military term), you > WILL see much overlap. Can I sit here and claim that I know for a fact > that there is no such thing as a real virus called Covid-19? No, I > cannot. We simply need to use our critical thinking skills and do our > research. And to see the MSM make such headlines, I am actually > grateful, because it means our anti-5G activism is reaching a critical > mass and they have to address it, they see the need to do damage control. > > And where are links to information on how many of our civil liberties > are being violated by the stay-at-home orders, the "no more than 10 > can congregate" orders, the shutting down of gun shops and ranges, the > orders to not cross state lines? The hundreds of dollars in fines > being charged for violating these illegal orders? We need to resist > these actions, not pay those fines. Nothing, not even a "deadly virus > pandemic" can take these rights away from us. > > In closing, if anyone is working on the Constitutional/inalienable > rights issues, knows any groups in MA who are, please let me/us know. > > Thanks, > Deb > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > I have updated the front page of hidden-tech.net > to > include a series of documents about small business (shared from > the SBA > by Lawyer Paul Nicolai) > as well as a (somewhat random) collection of resources from online. > > If anyone has additions please email offline and I will add them. > > Happy Trails and Stay healthy. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conductorchris at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 20:44:17 2020 From: conductorchris at gmail.com (Christopher Parker) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:44:17 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service In-Reply-To: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> References: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> Message-ID: I don't know your situation.? But as a user I've just about had it to here with "secure" email solutions.? They are always a headache and always cause me to do all kinds of not secure things in order to use them.? You may not be in a position to do so, but if you can, I hope you would consider just how much security is really necessary.? For example, I really do NOT want to get my health care stuff on some kind of "Secure" email.? The likelihood of something going astray is small and inconsequential.? Banking information though, I understand.? I also understand that health care providers are working within HIPPA requirements and that other people have circumstances, abusive relationships and so on that necessitate security. On 4/8/2020 11:25 AM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Very short version: *Probably* the best thing is to use Signal, not email. > > Short version: Email isn't secure. I can write (or better, link to) a > longer explanation of why that's the case, but the bottom line is that > it just wasn't built for privacy. You *can* build a secure system on > top of email, by encrypting things before you send them through email > using a different tool (pgp), and then decrypting them on the other > end. But that's hard for most people to set up and still lacks a > couple important security features (forward secrecy, metadata > security). There's also providers like protonmail which add a *little* > security. While acknowledging that something is better than nothing, > there's still flaws in these systems and you shouldn't think you're > getting strong security from using them. > > Longer version (in a follow-up email): This question as it stands is > impossible to answer well, bec ause security is a spectrum. Edward > Snowden, the president, and you all have very different security > needs. In order to arrive at a good answer, you need to figure out > your security model. > > - Who do you want privacy from? Random everyday people? Friends? An > abusive ex/partner? The government? A hacker? For whoever it is, are > they doing it en masse or targeting you specifically? > - Who will you be communicating with? If it's an elderly > parent/grandparent, you need something simple enough that they can use > it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how good the security is. > - What information are you trying to protect? Is it just the contents > of the conversation, or also the people you're talking to (eg, a > whistleblower contacting a journalist needs this). > > For most "regular" people, I think Signal is a pretty good fit, and > that's why I recommended it given I know nothing about your use case. > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 08:38, Christine Dutton via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> Hello Hidden Tech Folks: >> Please recommend free favorite secure email services. >> Thank you! >> Christine >> *Christine Dutton* >> *Dutton Consulting * >> *413-626-6377* >> *Find me on Facebook here! * >> * >> * > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew at crocker.com Wed Apr 8 21:29:06 2020 From: matthew at crocker.com (Matthew Crocker) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 21:29:06 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] [ADV] Re: Favorite Secure Email Service In-Reply-To: References: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> Message-ID: <010001715bb25730-9d57ef9e-b917-4a9b-8243-0b63c421f057-000000@email.amazonses.com> Sorry, pet peeve of mine, HIPAA For security you have to worry about transport & at rest security.? Secure mail typically means secure transport.? Security at rest would require an encrypted message in your inbox which you would need to decrypt every time you access it.?? Transport security is easy and security at rest is hard. From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of Christopher Parker via Hidden-discuss Reply-To: Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 5:12 PM To: Cc: Christopher Parker Subject: [ADV] Re: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service I don't know your situation. But as a user I've just about had it to here with "secure" email solutions. They are always a headache and always cause me to do all kinds of not secure things in order to use them. You may not be in a position to do so, but if you can, I hope you would consider just how much security is really necessary. For example, I really do NOT want to get my health care stuff on some kind of "Secure" email. The likelihood of something going astray is small and inconsequential. Banking information though, I understand. I also understand that health care providers are working within HIPPA requirements and that other people have circumstances, abusive relationships and so on that necessitate security. On 4/8/2020 11:25 AM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: Very short version: *Probably* the best thing is to use Signal, not email. Short version: Email isn't secure. I can write (or better, link to) a longer explanation of why that's the case, but the bottom line is that it just wasn't built for privacy. You *can* build a secure system on top of email, by encrypting things before you send them through email using a different tool (pgp), and then decrypting them on the other end. But that's hard for most people to set up and still lacks a couple important security features (forward secrecy, metadata security). There's also providers like protonmail which add a *little* security. While acknowledging that something is better than nothing, there's still flaws in these systems and you shouldn't think you're getting strong security from using them. Longer version (in a follow-up email): This question as it stands is impossible to answer well, bec ause security is a spectrum. Edward Snowden, the president, and you all have very different security needs. In order to arrive at a good answer, you need to figure out your security model. - Who do you want privacy from? Random everyday people? Friends? An abusive ex/partner? The government? A hacker? For whoever it is, are they doing it en masse or targeting you specifically? - Who will you be communicating with? If it's an elderly parent/grandparent, you need something simple enough that they can use it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how good the security is. - What information are you trying to protect? Is it just the contents of the conversation, or also the people you're talking to (eg, a whistleblower contacting a journalist needs this). For most "regular" people, I think Signal is a pretty good fit, and that's why I recommended it given I know nothing about your use case. -- I try to write short, functional emails. On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 08:38, Christine Dutton via Hidden-discuss wrote: Hello Hidden Tech Folks: Please recommend free favorite secure email services. Thank you! Christine Christine Dutton Dutton Consulting 413-626-6377 Find me on Facebook here! _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Wed Apr 8 21:57:25 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] A request for help from Baystate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68e63ca4-c5ab-2e10-7c75-73f4ebce5b8d@otherrealm.org> I would also suggest donating to things like homeless shelters and other resources for the poor.As many resources for such a population have needed to close, those that remain need all the support they can get.Baystate's finances deal in millions of dollars and are mainly in need of things that cannot be bought.Giving a few hundred dollars to someone unemployed will help them stay in their house or be able to get a place to live and not need to be in unsafe situations. Give the money to those without it, give the physical resources to the places where they are running short....Give love to everyone! Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-04-08 12:13 PM, Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Thanks for asking! > One of the simplest and most direct way you can help, is by making a > donation to the Baystate Health Fund for greatest needs. This fund > provides resources that can be put to use immediately where the need > is greatest and where your donation can do the most good. > Here a link directly to donate page: > https://secure2.convio.net/bayhf/site/Donation2;jsessionid=00000000.app295a?df_id=1682&mfc_pref=T&1682.donation=form1&NONCE_TOKEN=42DB0C70D4F85FE136F518619E41F931 > Here's a link to the foundation page where you can learn more about > giving and results: https://www.baystatehealth.org/giving > Christian > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:57 AM Tess Gadwa > wrote: > > What are the best resources to use if you are only able to donate > money and not supplies? > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christian Lagier via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Hi friends on Hidden-Tech, > I have followed this list for years, rarely posted, helped > others when I could, but am now posting on behalf of Baystate > Health to clarify where we need help. So many people in the > community have already reached out to help. We are preparing a > web page listing specific requirements for what we really > need. It is not yet officially live, but I post it here to get > feedback if there is something I have missed in the content > published: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/medsupplies > > For the iOS developers on the list, I will point out one > specific post: > https://www.techspringhealth.org/iosdev > > Please know that my colleagues and I are working harder than > ever before to help those in need and prepare for further > increase in patient population. Forgive us if we don't reply > to all messages. 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URL: From the at otherrealm.org Wed Apr 8 22:10:36 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 18:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Favorite Secure Email Service In-Reply-To: References: <1586359518.2287.3@smichel.me> Message-ID: <7134adaa-05ff-ef93-6a3c-f2bb7267d146@otherrealm.org> If you need to have email be your means of communication, I would recommend https://protonmail.com/ .? I do not think that you can communicate health information via email and remain HIPPA complaint, although they have relaxed the standards to some extent lately. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-04-08 4:44 PM, Christopher Parker via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > I don't know your situation.? But as a user I've just about had it to > here with "secure" email solutions.? They are always a headache and > always cause me to do all kinds of not secure things in order to use > them.? You may not be in a position to do so, but if you can, I hope > you would consider just how much security is really necessary.? For > example, I really do NOT want to get my health care stuff on some kind > of "Secure" email.? The likelihood of something going astray is small > and inconsequential.? Banking information though, I understand.? I > also understand that health care providers are working within HIPPA > requirements and that other people have circumstances, abusive > relationships and so on that necessitate security. > > > On 4/8/2020 11:25 AM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Very short version: *Probably* the best thing is to use Signal, not >> email. >> >> Short version: Email isn't secure. I can write (or better, link to) a >> longer explanation of why that's the case, but the bottom line is >> that it just wasn't built for privacy. You *can* build a secure >> system on top of email, by encrypting things before you send them >> through email using a different tool (pgp), and then decrypting them >> on the other end. But that's hard for most people to set up and still >> lacks a couple important security features (forward secrecy, metadata >> security). There's also providers like protonmail which add a >> *little* security. While acknowledging that something is better than >> nothing, there's still flaws in these systems and you shouldn't think >> you're getting strong security from using them. >> >> Longer version (in a follow-up email): This question as it stands is >> impossible to answer well, bec ause security is a spectrum. Edward >> Snowden, the president, and you all have very different security >> needs. In order to arrive at a good answer, you need to figure out >> your security model. >> >> - Who do you want privacy from? Random everyday people? Friends? An >> abusive ex/partner? The government? A hacker? For whoever it is, are >> they doing it en masse or targeting you specifically? >> - Who will you be communicating with? If it's an elderly >> parent/grandparent, you need something simple enough that they can >> use it. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how good the security is. >> - What information are you trying to protect? Is it just the contents >> of the conversation, or also the people you're talking to (eg, a >> whistleblower contacting a journalist needs this). >> >> For most "regular" people, I think Signal is a pretty good fit, and >> that's why I recommended it given I know nothing about your use case. >> -- >> I try to write short, functional emails. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 08:38, Christine Dutton via Hidden-discuss >> wrote: >>> Hello Hidden Tech Folks: >>> Please recommend free favorite secure email services. >>> Thank you! >>> Christine >>> *Christine Dutton* >>> *Dutton Consulting * >>> *413-626-6377* >>> *Find me on Facebook here! * >>> * >>> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Apr 14 12:27:07 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert Message-ID: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> All, I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell laptops for the local school kids. SO I need to ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use typical virtual school sw. I'd prefer something free or close. I found 'Chromium OS' Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT web site This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From rich at tnrglobal.com Tue Apr 14 14:14:19 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <05f1fdc3-6353-9113-1634-e09c5e4c6606@tnrglobal.com> Slight update - please don't bother sending me net r&D - I do that myself, and am familiar with CloudReady and other Chromium work I am looking for actual experience, esp about disk wiping sw and anyone that has actually done an install and tested with Google Classroom. Also Shel suggested: > an online community of K-12 IT professionals. > Anyone know if any of those ? Rich -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:27:07 -0400 From: Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss Reply-To: rich at tnrglobal.com To: HT-discuss All, I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell laptops for the local school kids. SO I need to ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use typical virtual school sw. I'd prefer something free or close. I found 'Chromium OS' Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT web site This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Tue Apr 14 15:08:10 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:08:10 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <05f1fdc3-6353-9113-1634-e09c5e4c6606@tnrglobal.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <05f1fdc3-6353-9113-1634-e09c5e4c6606@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: Unless this is for only the K-5 grade levels, I would strongly suggest using a full Linux environment (Mint) that the kids will be able to do more than just use the browser.Maybe install visual studio code and music/video editing software (A/V software actually is included in the standard Mint OS) so that the kids can learn that computers are not just for browsing the web and watching videos.Plus, from my understanding of Chrome OS, if the student's internet connection is spotty, there are a lot of things that you can't do with Chrome OS without planning ahead (i.e., downloading things beforehand). Obviously it will take longer to set things up, but if these are donations that the kids will be able to keep and use after the lockdown is over, potentially for many years after, it makes a lot of sense. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-04-14 10:14 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Slight update - please don't bother sending me net r&D - I do that myself, > and am familiar with CloudReady and other Chromium work > > I am looking for actual experience, esp about disk wiping sw and > anyone that has actually done an install and tested with Google Classroom. > > Also Shel suggested: > >> an online community of K-12 IT professionals. >> > Anyone know if any of those ? > > Rich > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:27:07 -0400 > From: Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > Reply-To: rich at tnrglobal.com > To: HT-discuss > > > > All, > I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell > laptops for the local school kids. > > SO I need to > ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives > ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use > typical virtual school sw. > > I'd prefer something free or close. > > I found 'Chromium OS' > > Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. > I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT > web site > This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other > areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. > > (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. > > Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Tue Apr 14 18:55:03 2020 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <05f1fdc3-6353-9113-1634-e09c5e4c6606@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <20200414185503.A0542223D71@sharky4.deepsoft.com> At Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:08:10 -0400 Aaron E-J wrote: > > Content-Language: en-US > > > Unless this is for only the K-5 grade levels, I would strongly suggest > using a full Linux environment (Mint) that the kids will be able to do > more than just use the browser.Maybe install visual studio code and > music/video editing software (A/V software actually is included in the > standard Mint OS) so that the kids can learn that computers are not just > for browsing the web and watching videos.Plus, from my understanding of > Chrome OS, if the student's internet connection is spotty, there are a > lot of things that you can't do with Chrome OS without planning ahead > (i.e., downloading things beforehand). Obviously it will take longer to > set things up, but if these are donations that the kids will be able to > keep and use after the lockdown is over, potentially for many years > after, it makes a lot of sense. Yes, ALL kids above 5th grade really need some exposure to computer programming. Not necessarily with the idea of becoming professional computer programmers, but universal "true computer literacy" is a good thing, just as universal natural language literacy is considered a good thing. By "true computer literacy" I mean a minimual basic understanding of computer programming. So yes, I would second the idea of intalling a full Linux environment (like Mint), complete with some basic tools for programming: Python, gcc, gcc-c++, Perl, and Emacs. Any standard full Linux install will already have some of this. > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2020-04-14 10:14 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > > Slight update - please don't bother sending me net r&D - I do that myself, > > and am familiar with CloudReady and other Chromium work > > > > I am looking for actual experience, esp about disk wiping sw and > > anyone that has actually done an install and tested with Google Classroom. > > > > Also Shel suggested: > > > >> an online community of K-12 IT professionals. > >> > > Anyone know if any of those ? > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:27:07 -0400 > > From: Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss > > Reply-To: rich at tnrglobal.com > > To: HT-discuss > > > > > > > > All, > > I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell > > laptops for the local school kids. > > > > SO I need to > > ???????????? (1) Wipe the hard drives > > ???????????? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use > > typical virtual school sw. > > > > I'd prefer something free or close. > > > > I found 'Chromium OS' > > > > Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. > > I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT > > web site > > This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other > > areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. > > > > (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. > > > > Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. > > > > -- > > Rich Roth > > CEO TnR Global > > > > Bio and personal blog:http://rizbang.com > > Building the really big sites:http://www.tnrglobal.com > > Small/Soho business in the PV:http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Places to meet for business:http://www.meetmewhere.com > > And for relaxation:http://www.welovemuseums.com > > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > > Helping move the world:http://www.earththrives.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From donnabrook at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 19:35:42 2020 From: donnabrook at gmail.com (donna brooks) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my apple ear buds (I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need to move around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is that the room has high ceilings but I am wondering if some kind of blue tooth or wireless headset would work. It is extremely confusing to me to research this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want people on the zoom conference to hear me clearly! Best, Donna -- Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation www.originalbodywisdom.com 413 230 -1260 donnabrook at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com Tue Apr 14 21:08:17 2020 From: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com (Annamarie Pluhar) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:08:17 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I noticed on the Steve Colbert interview of the three Crooked Media founders that they were all wearing Apple AirPods. All of them at home, all on Zoom. My hunch is that the Air Pods are your (expensive) answer. I?ve got a yen for them myself. HTH Annamarie On 14 Apr 2020, at 15:35, donna brooks via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my > apple > ear buds (I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need to > move > around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is that the > room > has high ceilings but I am wondering if some kind of blue tooth or > wireless headset would work. It is extremely confusing to me to > research > this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want people on the zoom > conference to hear me clearly! > > > Best, > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bklee at azurelink.com Tue Apr 14 21:30:22 2020 From: bklee at azurelink.com (B. Kimo Lee) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C97A741-909D-46B1-9BFF-1C595251CD06@azurelink.com> Hi Donna, I have a Plantronics Bluetooth headset which people say sounds very good. It?s quite old so I?m not familiar with the newer models but as a brand I can recommend it. I am able to walk into another room about 50 ft away from my workstation and no problem with the signal. Best, Kimo Lee AZURELINK :: ?Creative Design Technologies" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Site Design & Scalable, Managed Web Hosting Joomla! Content Management System Implementation eCommerce Development ??????????????????????????????????????? www.azurelink.com On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:35 PM, donna brooks via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my apple ear buds (I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need to move around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is that the room has high ceilings but I am wondering if some kind of blue tooth or wireless headset would work. It is extremely confusing to me to research this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want people on the zoom conference to hear me clearly! > > > Best, > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Further details at www.techspringhealth.org/medsupplies Christian 1) PAPR hood (positive pressure hood) More details: https://www.techspringhealth.org/papr Product to emulate: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Versaflo-Headcover-with-Integrated-Head-Suspension-S-133L-5-White-Medium-Large-5-EA-Case/?N=5002385+3294753641&rt=rud 2) Fit Test equipment (critical to make sure N95 have appropriate fit for individual care providers) More details: https://www.techspringhealth.org/fit_test_hoods Products to emulate: 2. A Collars: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Collar-FT-15-1-ea-Case/?N=5002385+3294796173&rt=rud 2. B Hoods: https://www.northernsafety.com/Product/2211/3M-Respirator-Fit-Test-Kit-Replacement-Hoods-2-Pack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Wed Apr 15 13:01:58 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:01:58 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic Message-ID: Hi HTers, I worry that, for a variety of reasons, ever more Americans can?t perform simple reasoning. But maybe what?s seems so clear to me is some kind of delusion. Sp I ask whether the following reasoning is sound. 1. Flattening the curve increases the time span until herd immunity but not the percentage of the population needed for herd immunity. * The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the login here. 2. Social distancing, masks, hand-washing, and the like flatten the curve but won?t reduce the total area under the curve and above the horizontal axis of time. That is, sooner or later, the same quantity of people will ultimately contract Covid-19. 3. Even if 10% of the population has it now (and countries doing good testing show nothing close to that yet), pre-pandemic behavior would produce a flare up of occurrences nearly equal to past flare ups. Of course the higher the percentage of the population that becomes immune, the slower it spreads, but even at 25%, it would spread fast. (A simple math matter for anyone qualified). 4. If, as more research is showing but not yet concluding, people aren't immune after recovery, this cycle never ends--and vaccines would not produce immunity either. * The math of x percent of recovered are immune for Y months is also relatively simple math that enables planning. * Average duration of immunity after a recovery from a coronaviruses is 48 months, according to one summary all past studies. 5. Therefore, if a vaccine can't be made, return to the way things were before he pandemic is not remotely possible ever. 6. If a successful, permanently effective vaccine can be made, only after almost everyone has take it can things begin to return to the way they were before the pandemic. Seems like solid reasoning to me. If it is, we'd best be planning for it. This is more speculative, but stands to reason: Regarding treatment and outcomes, increasingly strong evidence shows that much of the damage is done by +2 and +3 charged iron free radicals released when the virus replaces iron in blood cells. Leave aside for the moment the problem of blood carrying less oxygen. Strong free radical scavengers would likely improve outcomes, perhaps substantially, because tissue damage, usually mostly to the lungs, is a big contributor to grave illness and death. Such has has been shown with vitamin C's positive effects, but there are stronger antioxidants available over the counter. This would mean that we don't need big pharma as much for treatment, and that inexpensive and widely available supplements would substantially reduce hospitalization rates. Since mainstream media gets a huge percent of its revenue from big pharma, such news may be slow to spread. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 14:27:30 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:27:30 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> Hey Rich, You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, but I've included all the info here for general consumption. Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to kids and regular users. https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. 4. set up to be used by schools and kids 5. can now also run many Android apps The downsides: 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to http://getchrome.eu/download.php but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is the best: https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text Here's a good recent review: https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best Other options for kids: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > All, > I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell > laptops for the local school kids. > > SO I need to > ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives > ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use > typical virtual school sw. > > I'd prefer something free or close. > > I found 'Chromium OS' > > Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. > I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT > web site > This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other > areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. > > (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) > details. > > Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 13:32:30 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:32:30 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b40dbbd-dcea-a345-321f-954edded091d@itabix.com> Hey Donna! What you probably want is sport earbuds, which connect to your phone via bluetooth for both hearing and talking and are designed to stay on when you're exercising. You can see a bunch here on Amazon, or use Amazon to check for what's available and how they are reviewed and look for them online other places of course. Most wrap around your ears, and there are ones that have a strap that goes behind your neck (so you don't lose one) or that are separate for each ear which are, of course, more expensive. I don't have the sport earbuds but I've had good experiences with the Boltune and SoundPeats earbuds. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=earbuds+sports+bluetooth+wireless&crid=2GRGZZX54MOBX&sprefix=earbuds+sports%2Caps%2C177&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_14 Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/14/2020 3:35 PM, donna brooks via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my > apple ear buds?(I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need > to move around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is > that the room has high ceilings?but I am wondering if some kind of > blue tooth?or wireless?headset would work. It is extremely confusing > to me to research this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want > people on the zoom conference to hear me clearly! > > > Best, > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wineburg at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 13:42:25 2020 From: wineburg at gmail.com (mark wineburg) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Hidden-Tech friends, I thought I would chime in on headsets. I run Yes Computers in Northampton so we get to compare a number of different headsets. I agree and highly recommend the Sennheiser model MB Pro 1. I discovered this model when a colleague who travels a lot by car would call from his vehicle - the audio quality was phenomenal with little background noise and a sound clearer than speaking directly into an iPhone; this is a single sided Bluetooth headset. I don?t typically chime in with product/services recommendations as this amazing forum is not the place for commercial self promotion? ...however Yes Computers has a number of very dedicated staff who are manning the store providing Mac sales and iOS/iPhone/AppleCare repairs during this challenging time. The store is open M-F 10-5 for curbside pickup/delivery. We are expecting a delivery today of a single Sennheiser headset sometime today ($149). I like the Apple Air Pod Pro?s which lot?s of TV personality are using as well. As a courtesy to all Hidden-Tech colleagues we are waving any diagnostic fees for needed services. Additionally for all community healthcare and first responder providers we will prioritize all repair work as well as waiving diagnostic and extra fees for the duration. Stay healthy and good cheer in these crazy times. Mark > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Annamarie Pluhar via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > Hi > > I noticed on the Steve Colbert interview of the three Crooked Media founders that they were all wearing Apple AirPods. All of them at home, all on Zoom. My hunch is that the Air Pods are your (expensive) answer. I?ve got a yen for them myself. > > HTH > Annamarie > > On 14 Apr 2020, at 15:35, donna brooks via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my apple ear buds (I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need to move around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is that the room has high ceilings but I am wondering if some kind of blue tooth or wireless headset would work. It is extremely confusing to me to research this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want people on the zoom conference to hear me clearly! > > > Best, > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Wed Apr 15 15:19:01 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:19:01 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> Message-ID: <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> Interesting comparison. Major notes about ChromeOS ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as I contact them. On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hey Rich, > > You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, > but I've included all the info here for general consumption. > > Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is > also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas > Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more > knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to kids > and regular users. > https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq > > Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - > > 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain > 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux > installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted > 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. > 4. set up to be used by schools and kids > 5. can now also run many Android apps > > The downsides: > 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux or > Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) > 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some limitations > although the alternatives can make up for these. > 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. > > You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: > https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to > http://getchrome.eu/download.php > but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. > > However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is the > best: > https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text > > Here's a good recent review: > https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best > > Other options for kids: > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html > > Best, > Sam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> All, >> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell >> laptops for the local school kids. >> >> SO I need to >> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >> typical virtual school sw. >> >> I'd prefer something free or close. >> >> I found 'Chromium OS' >> >> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. >> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT >> web site >> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other >> areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >> >> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >> details. >> >> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s at smichel.me Wed Apr 15 16:43:54 2020 From: s at smichel.me (Stephen Michel) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:43:54 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> Message-ID: <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> To me, these are are downsides: > 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux > installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted > 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice for encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if you don't like your environment, you can work to change it. I think that's an important life lesson, not just in computers; among other things, it's important for a functioning democracy. This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying to prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad stuff". I don't think technical barriers are a good substitute for open communication and trust. Better to talk about these topics, where you have control over the framing, than wait for children to discover them in a different context. Now, these conversation can happen too soon, so I'm not opposed to weak parental controls. But, by the time a kid has figured out how to bypass those controls, they're probably also ready for that conversation. Finally, figuring out how to bypass the controls involves a fair amount of learning ? an excellent educational outcome, even if not ideal from other perspectives. So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a suggestion to try out different distributions. -- I try to write short, functional emails. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Interesting comparison. > Major notes about ChromeOS > 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to > Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. > 2) The Neverware version is far newer. > > SO the place to get ChromeOS is > While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: > > > The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as > I contact them. > > On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Hey Rich, >> >> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >> >> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas >> Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more >> knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to >> kids and regular users. >> >> >> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >> >> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >> 5. can now also run many Android apps >> >> The downsides: >> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >> >> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >> which just >> links to >> >> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google >> download. >> >> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >> the best: >> >> >> Here's a good recent review: >> >> >> Other options for kids: >> >> >> >> Best, >> Sam >> >> Sam McClellan >> *Itabix, Inc* >> /One place for all things Web/ >> sam at itabix.com >> https://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> >> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> All, >>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of >>> Dell laptops for the local school kids. >>> >>> SO I need to >>> (1) Wipe the hard drives >>> (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>> typical virtual school sw. >>> >>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>> >>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>> >>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>> with. >>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>> HT web site >>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling >>> other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>> >>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>> details. >>> >>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >> list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 16:51:59 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:51:59 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> Message-ID: <4bde44e0-035b-e14a-f693-19cdb92e0f82@itabix.com> > The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as I > contact them. Actually Neverware Cloudready for personal use is free, email and phone support version is $20/year which is pretty great. https://www.neverware.com/freedownload I'm not sure what you meant by "newer", did you mean more up to date or more recently created? It has been around since 2015.I can understand your wanting to go with a more full functioning Linux OS like Cr OS, it just depends on your users' ability to manage the OS or how much you'll end up doing it :) Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/15/2020 11:19 AM, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Interesting comparison. > Major notes about ChromeOS > ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to > Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. > ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. > > SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ > While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ > > The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as I > contact them. > > On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Hey Rich, >> >> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >> >> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas >> Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more >> knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to kids >> and regular users. >> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >> >> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >> >> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >> 5. can now also run many Android apps >> >> The downsides: >> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux or >> Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some limitations >> although the alternatives can make up for these. >> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >> >> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to >> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >> >> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >> the best: >> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >> >> Here's a good recent review: >> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >> >> Other options for kids: >> >> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >> >> Best, >> Sam >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sam McClellan >> *Itabix, Inc* >> /One place for all things Web/ >> sam at itabix.com >> https://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> >> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> All, >>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell >>> laptops for the local school kids. >>> >>> SO I need to >>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>> typical virtual school sw. >>> >>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>> >>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>> >>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>> with. >>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT >>> web site >>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other >>> areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>> >>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>> details. >>> >>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at jacobson.net Wed Apr 15 17:05:45 2020 From: matt at jacobson.net (Matt Jacobson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:05:45 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> Message-ID: <98409BEE-A9D2-4B0C-B585-C83DAC8512AF@jacobson.net> My $0.02: As someone who has spent the last 30+ years professionally managing technical support, the support costs rise dramatically when there is more ?tinkering". Trouble-shooting a problem means the people who are supporting the users need to have extensive knowledge across many distros, OSs, settings, etc. Regardless of what policies are in place, people are going to be looking for support as soon as something goes wrong. As soon as they hear ?That?s not supported.? they are going to form negative associations with the support organization, get frustrated, and stop thinking that the laptop is a good learning tool. If the goal is learning about computers and you expect the users to be self-supporting, that?s one thing. If the goal is learning using a computer, lock it down as much as possible (or have nothing stored locally and the ability to easily wipe and reset). ???????????????????????????????? Matt Jacobson matt at jacobson.net 413.475.2799 > On Apr 15, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > To me, these are are downsides: > >> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. > > > Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice for encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if you don't like your environment, you can work to change it. I think that's an important life lesson, not just in computers; among other things, it's important for a functioning democracy. > > This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying to prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad stuff". I don't think technical barriers are a good substitute for open communication and trust. Better to talk about these topics, where you have control over the framing, than wait for children to discover them in a different context. Now, these conversation can happen too soon, so I'm not opposed to weak parental controls. But, by the time a kid has figured out how to bypass those controls, they're probably also ready for that conversation. Finally, figuring out how to bypass the controls involves a fair amount of learning ? an excellent educational outcome, even if not ideal from other perspectives. > > So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a suggestion to try out different distributions. > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Interesting comparison. >> Major notes about ChromeOS >> 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >> 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >> >> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as I contact them. >> >> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Hey Rich, >>> >>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>> >>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to kids and regular users. >>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>> >>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>> >>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>> >>> The downsides: >>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>> >>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to >>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>> >>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is the best: >>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>> >>> Here's a good recent review: >>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>> >>> Other options for kids: >>> >>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>> >>> Best, >>> Sam >>> >>> Sam McClellan >>> Itabix, Inc >>> One place for all things Web >>> sam at itabix.com >>> https://itabix.com >>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> All, >>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell laptops for the local school kids. >>>> >>>> SO I need to >>>> (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>> (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use typical virtual school sw. >>>> >>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>> >>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>> >>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. >>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT web site >>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>> >>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. >>>> >>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 16:54:59 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:54:59 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48142c33-9505-dd0e-e1f8-e3cf57d227d6@itabix.com> Hi Rob, I definitely agree with all your points, we won't know if there's an acceptable solution for quite some time in any case. The only real reason to flatten the curve is to prevent overload of medical resources and shortages of PPE (personal protective equipment) due to sheer numbers of people getting sick at a time, in order to have the time to ramp up production and distribution, and acquiring knowledge and skills that reduce mortality rates and long term damage to the lungs such as which drugs reduce symptoms and help the lungs and simple things like lying on your stomach. At some point, either most people will need to have gotten it (herd immunity) or we'll need a vaccine. There are a number of things we can do to improve immune response both to keep from getting sick and to improve odds and rate of recovery. Here's some I know. There are lots of different opinions and conflicting research so this is just my take: Lomatium dissectum (an herb in the parsley/carrot family) was used very successfully by Native Americans and people who took their lead, to keep from getting sick and reduce the symptoms during the Spanish Flu. Very good antiviral/antibacterial that is especially good for lung infections and tends to be very well tolerated, a few people get a rash from it which might actually be a die-off reaction. http://chasblogspot.blogspot.com/2009/04/spanish-flu-of-1918-and-lomatium-root.html Lomatium alcohol tincture is quite bitter, the glycerine tincture is much milder. It's very hard to find in stock right now but hopefully there will be more available soon. Generally, supplementing vitamins and minerals you're deficient in can be helpful but overuse is not -- more is not better once you have what you need. And the best way to get your supplements is from food. Most of what you take in a multivitamin goes down the toilet, which is why it's almost impossible to get the levels of vitamins and minerals that people recommend from food. Studies have shown that organic foods have significantly higher levels of vitamins and minerals, however levels vary a lot depending on how the food is actually grown. High quality locally grown non-organic foods can compare well with organic and may actually have been grown pretty much organically, with minimal pesticides and healthy soil. Vitamin D (2000 IU/day) is particularly helpful with lung infections, and most people have a deficiency especially when we aren't out in the sun: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-coronavirus#effect-on-immune-health > > A recent review that included 11,321 people from 14 countries > demonstrated that supplementing with vitamin D decreased the risk of > acute respiratory infections (ARI) in both those who were deficient in > vitamin D and those with adequate levels. > > Overall, the study showed that vitamin D supplements reduced the risk > of developing at least one ARI by 12%. The protective effect was > strongest in those with low vitamin D levels > Zinc (30mg/day) and Vitamin C (1-2000 mg/day with supplements, natural sources less) are two nutritionals that are both antioxidants and also help boost the immune system. Foods rich in zinc are meat, shellfish, legumes, nuts and seeds, dairy, eggs and whole grains. Foods rich in vitamin C include broccoli, cantaloupe, cauliflower, kale, kiwi, orange juice, papaya, red, green or yellow pepper, sweet potato, strawberries, and tomatoes. Probiotics (lactobacillus and bifidobacterium are the most common) help with gut health and are naturally antibiotic and antiviral. There's many more but I think these are a good place to start. Best, Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/15/2020 9:01 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi HTers, > > I worry that, for a variety of reasons, ever more Americans can?t > perform simple reasoning. But maybe what?s seems so clear to me is > some kind of delusion. Sp I ask whether the following reasoning is sound. > > 1. Flattening the curve increases the time span until herd immunity > but not the percentage of the population needed for herd immunity. > 1. The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as > math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at > about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the > login here. > 2. Social distancing, masks, hand-washing, and the like flatten the > curve but won?t reduce the total area under the curve and above > the horizontal axis of time. That is, sooner or later, the same > quantity of people will ultimately contract Covid-19. > 3. Even if 10% of the population has it now (and countries doing good > testing show nothing close to that yet), pre-pandemic behavior > would produce a flare up of occurrences nearly equal to past flare > ups. Of course the higher the percentage of the population that > becomes immune, the slower it spreads, but even at 25%, it would > spread fast. (A simple math matter for anyone qualified). > 4. If, as more research is showing but not yet concluding, people > aren't immune after recovery, this cycle never ends--and vaccines > would not produce immunity either. > 1. The math of x percent of recovered are immune for Y months is > also relatively simple math that enables planning. > 1. Average duration of immunity after a recovery from a > coronaviruses is 48 months, according to one summary all > past studies. > 5. Therefore, if a vaccine can't be made, return to the way things > were before he pandemic is not remotely possible ever. > 6. If a successful, permanently effective vaccine can be made, only > after almost everyone has take it can things begin to return to > the way they were before the pandemic. > > Seems like solid reasoning to me. If it is, we'd best be planning for it. > > This is more speculative, but stands to reason: Regarding treatment > and outcomes, increasingly strong evidence shows that much of the > damage is done by +2 and +3 charged iron free radicals released when > the virus replaces iron in blood cells. Leave aside for the moment the > problem of blood carrying less oxygen. Strong free radical scavengers > would likely improve outcomes, perhaps substantially, because tissue > damage, usually mostly to the lungs, is a big contributor to grave > illness and death. Such has has been shown with vitamin C's positive > effects, but there are stronger antioxidants available over the > counter. This would mean that we don't need big pharma as much for > treatment, and that inexpensive and widely available supplements would > substantially reduce hospitalization rates. Since mainstream media > gets a huge percent of its revenue from big pharma, such news may be > slow to spread. > > Take Care, > > > Rob Laporte > > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > > 413-584-6500 > > rob at 2disc.com ?| LinkedIn > | 2DISC.com > > > *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If > you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Wed Apr 15 17:28:38 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:28:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> Message-ID: I second Stephen's points, it is important that things are out in the open.? Curate the way your kids learn hard topics, don't prevent them from learning them. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-04-15 12:43 PM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > To me, these are are downsides: > >> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. > > Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice for > encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if you > don't like your environment, you can work to change it. I think that's > an important life lesson, not just in computers; among other things, > it's important for a functioning democracy. > > This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying to > prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad stuff". I > don't think technical barriers are a good substitute for open > communication and trust. Better to talk about these topics, where you > have control over the framing, than wait for children to discover them > in a different context. Now, these conversation can happen too soon, > so I'm not opposed to weak parental controls. But, by the time a kid > has figured out how to bypass those controls, they're probably also > ready for that conversation. Finally, figuring out how to bypass the > controls involves a fair amount of learning ? an excellent educational > outcome, even if not ideal from other perspectives. > > So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these > computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest > providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a > suggestion to try out different distributions. > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> >> Interesting comparison. >> Major notes about ChromeOS >> ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to >> Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >> ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >> >> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >> >> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >> I contact them. >> >> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Hey Rich, >>> >>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >>> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>> >>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >>> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas >>> Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more >>> knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to >>> kids and regular users. >>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>> >>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>> >>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>> >>> The downsides: >>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >>> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >>> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>> >>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to >>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>> >>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >>> the best: >>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>> >>> Here's a good recent review: >>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>> >>> Other options for kids: >>> >>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>> >>> Best, >>> Sam >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Sam McClellan >>> *Itabix, Inc* >>> /One place for all things Web/ >>> sam at itabix.com >>> https://itabix.com >>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> All, >>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell >>>> laptops for the local school kids. >>>> >>>> SO I need to >>>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>>> typical virtual school sw. >>>> >>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>> >>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>> >>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>>> with. >>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>>> HT web site >>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other >>>> areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>> >>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>>> details. >>>> >>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Wed Apr 15 18:03:14 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:03:14 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <4bde44e0-035b-e14a-f693-19cdb92e0f82@itabix.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <4bde44e0-035b-e14a-f693-19cdb92e0f82@itabix.com> Message-ID: <615ea430-2b32-a417-ddf0-9093f0e3f2ee@on-the-net.com> I am processing a dozen computers for a homeless kids project in Holyoke - so have to check as to what license applies, will use the home version to get this moving -- so far the 2015 releases do not boot. Trying neverware now as for Newer -- the Newerware blogs clearly say that is still be worked on based on Chromium updates and the open source releases I've found so far do date from 2015 From Google and neverware https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2020/03/chrome-and-chrome-os-release-updates.html https://www.neverware.com/blogcontent/2020/4/10/cloudready-release-adjustments-for-covid-19-epidemic On 4/15/2020 12:51 PM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >> I contact them. > Actually Neverware Cloudready for personal use is free, email and > phone support version is $20/year which is pretty great. > https://www.neverware.com/freedownload > > > I'm not sure what you meant by "newer", did you mean more up to date > or more recently created? It has been around since 2015.I can > understand your wanting to go with a more full functioning Linux OS > like Cr OS, it just depends on your users' ability to manage the OS or > how much you'll end up doing it :) > > Best, > Sam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 4/15/2020 11:19 AM, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> Interesting comparison. >> Major notes about ChromeOS >> ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to >> Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >> ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >> >> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >> >> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >> I contact them. >> >> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Hey Rich, >>> >>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >>> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>> >>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >>> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas >>> Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires more >>> knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted to >>> kids and regular users. >>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>> >>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>> >>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>> >>> The downsides: >>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >>> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >>> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>> >>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to >>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>> >>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >>> the best: >>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>> >>> Here's a good recent review: >>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>> >>> Other options for kids: >>> >>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>> >>> Best, >>> Sam >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Sam McClellan >>> *Itabix, Inc* >>> /One place for all things Web/ >>> sam at itabix.com >>> https://itabix.com >>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> All, >>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell >>>> laptops for the local school kids. >>>> >>>> SO I need to >>>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>>> typical virtual school sw. >>>> >>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>> >>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>> >>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>>> with. >>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>>> HT web site >>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other >>>> areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>> >>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>>> details. >>>> >>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 18:06:15 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:06:15 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: <615ea430-2b32-a417-ddf0-9093f0e3f2ee@on-the-net.com> References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <4bde44e0-035b-e14a-f693-19cdb92e0f82@itabix.com> <615ea430-2b32-a417-ddf0-9093f0e3f2ee@on-the-net.com> Message-ID: > I am processing a dozen computers for a homeless kids project in > Holyoke - so have to check as to what license applies, > will use the home version to get this moving So cool you're doing that. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/15/2020 2:03 PM, Rich at OTN wrote: > > I am processing a dozen computers for a homeless kids project in > Holyoke - so have to check as to what license applies, > will use the home version to get this moving -- so far the 2015 > releases do not boot. > Trying neverware now > > as for Newer -- the Newerware blogs clearly say that is still be > worked on based on Chromium updates > and the open source releases I've found so far do date from 2015 > > From Google and neverware > https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2020/03/chrome-and-chrome-os-release-updates.html > https://www.neverware.com/blogcontent/2020/4/10/cloudready-release-adjustments-for-covid-19-epidemic > > On 4/15/2020 12:51 PM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > >>> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >>> I contact them. >> Actually Neverware Cloudready for personal use is free, email and >> phone support version is $20/year which is pretty great. >> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload >> >> >> I'm not sure what you meant by "newer", did you mean more up to date >> or more recently created? It has been around since 2015.I can >> understand your wanting to go with a more full functioning Linux OS >> like Cr OS, it just depends on your users' ability to manage the OS >> or how much you'll end up doing it :) >> >> Best, >> Sam >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sam McClellan >> *Itabix, Inc* >> /One place for all things Web/ >> sam at itabix.com >> https://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> >> On 4/15/2020 11:19 AM, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Interesting comparison. >>> Major notes about ChromeOS >>> ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to >>> Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >>> ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >>> >>> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >>> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >>> >>> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >>> I contact them. >>> >>> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> Hey Rich, >>>> >>>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >>>> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>>> >>>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >>>> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, >>>> whereas Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires >>>> more knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted >>>> to kids and regular users. >>>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>>> >>>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>>> >>>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>>> >>>> The downsides: >>>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >>>> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >>>> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>>> >>>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just >>>> links to >>>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>>> >>>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >>>> the best: >>>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>>> >>>> Here's a good recent review: >>>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>>> >>>> Other options for kids: >>>> >>>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Sam McClellan >>>> *Itabix, Inc* >>>> /One place for all things Web/ >>>> sam at itabix.com >>>> https://itabix.com >>>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>> All, >>>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of >>>>> Dell laptops for the local school kids. >>>>> >>>>> SO I need to >>>>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>>>> typical virtual school sw. >>>>> >>>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>>> >>>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>>> >>>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>>>> with. >>>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>>>> HT web site >>>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling >>>>> other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>>> >>>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>>>> details. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Wed Apr 15 18:41:37 2020 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> Message-ID: Now that we're throwing cents around, I don't think it's about one way or the other is better, I think it's about appropriateness and the situation and it's really the parents' and the educators' call. Computers and internet devices are portals to information and socialization in our culture and our world, the good and the bad. I like your word, Aaron, "curate" and I would add the word "titrate". Oversee, make things available as appropriate and as they grow, but keep good boundaries. Boundaries are love for kids.Unregulated and unsupervised access to the raw unbridled web too early and too quickly can really mess with kids, just as with media, but if you never let them explore it they won't learn and develop skills and calluses, and the "off limits" effect usually makes it more desirable to explore the darker stuff. To that end, I think starting with a "walled garden" OS like Chrome OS for young or inexperienced kids is usually a great idea, then expand as they grow. And there's the support issue, as Matt says, which would be a huge concern if you're going to be managing a dozen kid's PC's. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan *Itabix, Inc* /One place for all things Web/ sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 4/15/2020 1:28 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I second Stephen's points, it is important that things are out in the > open.? Curate the way your kids learn hard topics, don't prevent them > from learning them. > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > On 2020-04-15 12:43 PM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> To me, these are are downsides: >> >>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >> >> Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice for >> encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if you >> don't like your environment, you can work to change it. I think >> that's an important life lesson, not just in computers; among other >> things, it's important for a functioning democracy. >> >> This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying to >> prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad stuff". I >> don't think technical barriers are a good substitute for open >> communication and trust. Better to talk about these topics, where you >> have control over the framing, than wait for children to discover >> them in a different context. Now, these conversation can happen too >> soon, so I'm not opposed to weak parental controls. But, by the time >> a kid has figured out how to bypass those controls, they're probably >> also ready for that conversation. Finally, figuring out how to bypass >> the controls involves a fair amount of learning ? an excellent >> educational outcome, even if not ideal from other perspectives. >> >> So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these >> computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest >> providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a >> suggestion to try out different distributions. >> -- >> I try to write short, functional emails. >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss >> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting comparison. >>> Major notes about ChromeOS >>> ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to >>> Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >>> ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >>> >>> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >>> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >>> >>> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as >>> I contact them. >>> >>> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> Hey Rich, >>>> >>>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, >>>> but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>>> >>>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is >>>> also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, >>>> whereas Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires >>>> more knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted >>>> to kids and regular users. >>>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>>> >>>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>>> >>>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>>> >>>> The downsides: >>>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >>>> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >>>> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>>> >>>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just >>>> links to >>>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>>> >>>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >>>> the best: >>>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>>> >>>> Here's a good recent review: >>>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>>> >>>> Other options for kids: >>>> >>>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Sam McClellan >>>> *Itabix, Inc* >>>> /One place for all things Web/ >>>> sam at itabix.com >>>> https://itabix.com >>>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>> All, >>>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of >>>>> Dell laptops for the local school kids. >>>>> >>>>> SO I need to >>>>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>>>> typical virtual school sw. >>>>> >>>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>>> >>>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>>> >>>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience >>>>> with. >>>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>>>> HT web site >>>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling >>>>> other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>>> >>>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>>>> details. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Wed Apr 15 19:54:41 2020 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> Message-ID: <4e6bac98-d090-59a2-4867-3cb7c937fd2a@otherrealm.org> The most important thing is that the kids learn the full details on sensitive or potentially dangerous topics before they are presented with the need to make a decision on them.? I think exposing kids to sensitive topics in a controlled setting, before they are fully aware of their ramifications, is important.? Then explain the dangers in such a way that makes them take ownership of their safety as equals, so that they see the dangers as dangers and not arbitrary restrictions.? This will imprint a positive feeling to being safe.? Restricting access to things and then reprimanding the kid when they do wrong is very counterproductive, but it is still the de facto approach in many schools?. Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2020-04-15 2:41 PM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Now that we're throwing cents around, I don't think it's about one way > or the other is better, I think it's about appropriateness and the > situation and it's really the parents' and the educators' call. > Computers and internet devices are portals to information and > socialization in our culture and our world, the good and the bad. I > like your word, Aaron, "curate" and I would add the word "titrate". > Oversee, make things available as appropriate and as they grow, but > keep good boundaries. Boundaries are love for kids. Unregulated and > unsupervised access to the raw unbridled web too early and too quickly > can really mess with kids, just as with media, but if you never let > them explore it they won't learn and develop skills and calluses, and > the "off limits" effect usually makes it more desirable to explore the > darker stuff. > > To that end, I think starting with a "walled garden" OS like Chrome OS > for young or inexperienced kids is usually a great idea, then expand > as they grow. And there's the support issue, as Matt says, which would > be a huge concern if you're going to be managing a dozen kid's PC's. > > Sam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > /One place for all things Web/ > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 4/15/2020 1:28 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> I second Stephen's points, it is important that things are out in the >> open.? Curate the way your kids learn hard topics, don't prevent them >> from learning them. >> Aaron E-J >> The Other Realm LLC >> http://otherrealm.org >> http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) >> On 2020-04-15 12:43 PM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> To me, these are are downsides: >>> >>>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>> >>> Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice >>> for encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if >>> you don't like your environment, you can work to change it. I think >>> that's an important life lesson, not just in computers; among other >>> things, it's important for a functioning democracy. >>> >>> This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying >>> to prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad >>> stuff". I don't think technical barriers are a good substitute for >>> open communication and trust. Better to talk about these topics, >>> where you have control over the framing, than wait for children to >>> discover them in a different context. Now, these conversation can >>> happen too soon, so I'm not opposed to weak parental controls. But, >>> by the time a kid has figured out how to bypass those controls, >>> they're probably also ready for that conversation. Finally, figuring >>> out how to bypass the controls involves a fair amount of learning ? >>> an excellent educational outcome, even if not ideal from other >>> perspectives. >>> >>> So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these >>> computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest >>> providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a >>> suggestion to try out different distributions. >>> -- >>> I try to write short, functional emails. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting comparison. >>>> Major notes about ChromeOS >>>> ???????? 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to >>>> Google (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. >>>> ???????? 2) The Neverware version is far newer. >>>> >>>> SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ >>>> While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: >>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ >>>> >>>> The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that >>>> as I contact them. >>>> >>>> On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>> Hey Rich, >>>>> >>>>> You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by >>>>> now, but I've included all the info here for general consumption. >>>>> >>>>> Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but >>>>> is also available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, >>>>> whereas Chromium OS is designed for developers/geeks and requires >>>>> more knowledge and maintenance and has less functionality targeted >>>>> to kids and regular users. >>>>> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq >>>>> >>>>> Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - >>>>> >>>>> 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain >>>>> 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux >>>>> installation like Ubuntu can always be subverted >>>>> 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. >>>>> 4. set up to be used by schools and kids >>>>> 5. can now also run many Android apps >>>>> >>>>> The downsides: >>>>> 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux >>>>> or Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) >>>>> 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some >>>>> limitations although the alternatives can make up for these. >>>>> 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. >>>>> >>>>> You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just >>>>> links to >>>>> http://getchrome.eu/download.php >>>>> but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. >>>>> >>>>> However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is >>>>> the best: >>>>> https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text >>>>> >>>>> Here's a good recent review: >>>>> https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best >>>>> >>>>> Other options for kids: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Sam >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Sam McClellan >>>>> *Itabix, Inc* >>>>> /One place for all things Web/ >>>>> sam at itabix.com >>>>> https://itabix.com >>>>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>>>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>>>> >>>>> On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>>> All, >>>>>> I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of >>>>>> Dell laptops for the local school kids. >>>>>> >>>>>> SO I need to >>>>>> ??? (1) Wipe the hard drives >>>>>> ??? (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use >>>>>> typical virtual school sw. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd prefer something free or close. >>>>>> >>>>>> I found 'Chromium OS' >>>>>> >>>>>> Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had >>>>>> experience with. >>>>>> I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on >>>>>> HT web site >>>>>> This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling >>>>>> other areas, please let me know and I'll make a list. >>>>>> >>>>>> (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) >>>>>> details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>>> >>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcomputertutor at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 20:00:29 2020 From: mrcomputertutor at gmail.com (Everything Computers) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:00:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Computer for kids - how to convert In-Reply-To: References: <0dfd74a8-b771-e787-a8c7-e1f8b2b1c468@tnrglobal.com> <4ef44db4-5009-dc74-4488-d15b6d216720@itabix.com> <1eb1e6f8-c477-924f-5853-e41e598b0d97@on-the-net.com> <1586969034.106145.0@smichel.me> Message-ID: To weigh in, my child has one of these devices from the school and they almost useless; they cannot send or receive email outside of the domain, so parents and other teachers (music, Spanish, and art) cannot send work to do. The draw option is disabled, also we cannot go to learning sites or research things, like my son's attempt to provide me a report on Dominican Republic where his cousin lives. Images and wiki's, even dictionary sites are disabled. In more than one instance he could not even perform an assignment the teacher gave due to the "lock down" of the computer and it's settings. It was an admirable attempt by the district but it falls way short of the actual usefulness of the intent. Additionally, due to financial hardships, we will soon lose our internet at the house cutting us off further from the school, learning, friends, and the ability access support from community services. What about all the families in town who also have no, or have lost access to, internet? On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:27 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Now that we're throwing cents around, I don't think it's about one way or > the other is better, I think it's about appropriateness and the situation > and it's really the parents' and the educators' call. Computers and > internet devices are portals to information and socialization in our > culture and our world, the good and the bad. I like your word, Aaron, > "curate" and I would add the word "titrate". Oversee, make things available > as appropriate and as they grow, but keep good boundaries. Boundaries are > love for kids. Unregulated and unsupervised access to the raw unbridled > web too early and too quickly can really mess with kids, just as with > media, but if you never let them explore it they won't learn and develop > skills and calluses, and the "off limits" effect usually makes it more > desirable to explore the darker stuff. > > To that end, I think starting with a "walled garden" OS like Chrome OS for > young or inexperienced kids is usually a great idea, then expand as they > grow. And there's the support issue, as Matt says, which would be a huge > concern if you're going to be managing a dozen kid's PC's. > > Sam > > ------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > *One place for all things Web* > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 4/15/2020 1:28 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > I second Stephen's points, it is important that things are out in the > open. Curate the way your kids learn hard topics, don't prevent them from > learning them. > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2020-04-15 12:43 PM, Stephen Michel via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > To me, these are are downsides: > > 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux installation > like Ubuntu can always be subverted > 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. > > > Being hard to tinker with makes locked-down devices a poor choice for > encouraging intellectual curiosity. Open devices teach that if you don't > like your environment, you can work to change it. I think that's an > important life lesson, not just in computers; among other things, it's > important for a functioning democracy. > > This may be more controversial, but I also don't believe in trying to > prevent humans, however small, from ever engaging with "bad stuff". I don't > think technical barriers are a good substitute for open communication and > trust. Better to talk about these topics, where you have control over the > framing, than wait for children to discover them in a different context. > Now, these conversation can happen too soon, so I'm not opposed to weak > parental controls. But, by the time a kid has figured out how to bypass > those controls, they're probably also ready for that conversation. Finally, > figuring out how to bypass the controls involves a fair amount of learning > ? an excellent educational outcome, even if not ideal from other > perspectives. > > So, I'm also in favor of installing a full linux distro. If these > computers will belong to the kids permanently, I might even suggest > providing the older kids with a small flash drive (4-8GB) and a suggestion > to try out different distributions. > -- > I try to write short, functional emails. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:19, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Interesting comparison. > Major notes about ChromeOS > 1) The publizied download ChromeOS is nothing specific to Google > (regardless of URL) and is heavy ad-infested. > 2) The Neverware version is far newer. > > SO the place to get ChromeOS is https://archiveos.org/croslinux/ > While actually comes from an archive on sourceforge: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/c/cros/ > > The neverware is not free (since they maintain it) - more on that as I > contact them. > On 4/15/2020 10:27 AM, Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hey Rich, > > You probably know a fair amount about Chromium vs Chrome OS by now, but > I've included all the info here for general consumption. > > Chrome OS is Chromium OS redesigned for Google's Chromebooks but is also > available for PCs. Chrome OS is designed for end users, whereas Chromium OS > is designed for developers/geeks and requires more knowledge and > maintenance and has less functionality targeted to kids and regular users. > https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromium-os-faq > > Chrome OS is a good choice for kids for five reasons - > > 1. designed to be simple to set up and maintain > 2. has very good parental controls, whereas a standard Linux installation > like Ubuntu can always be subverted > 3. doesn't allow them free access to programs and the Internet. > 4. set up to be used by schools and kids > 5. can now also run many Android apps > > The downsides: > 1. It's very reliant on an Internet connection and can't run Linux or > Windows apps (although the alternatives can run Linux apps) > 2. If you don't have an actual Chromebook, there are some limitations > although the alternatives can make up for these. > 3. you have to be part of The Google to use it. > > You can download ChromeOS for regular PC's here: > https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoslinux/download which just links to > http://getchrome.eu/download.php > but the first link at least shows you it's actually a Google download. > > However, most reviews say that Neverware's version of Chrome OS is the > best: > https://www.neverware.com/freedownload#intro-text > > Here's a good recent review: > > https://www.electromaker.io/blog/article/flint-os-vs-chromium-os-vs-cloudready-which-chrome-os-is-best > > Other options for kids: > > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030685/make-your-pc-kid-friendly-with-four-custom-operating-systems.html > > Best, > Sam > > ------------------------------ > Sam McClellan > *Itabix, Inc* > *One place for all things Web* > sam at itabix.com > https://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > > On 4/14/2020 8:27 AM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > All, > I need some suggestions, I'm being asked to process a batch of Dell > laptops for the local school kids. > > SO I need to > (1) Wipe the hard drives > (2) install a chromebook (like) environment so they can use typical > virtual school sw. > > I'd prefer something free or close. > > I found 'Chromium OS' > > Any specific suggestions as to which of each you've had experience with. > I will collect the suggestions as well as the results and post on HT web > site > This is for the Greenfield school kids, if anyone is handling other areas, > please let me know and I'll make a list. > > (BTW, which has a set of covid-19 health and business (CARES act) details. > > Thanks - Happy Tails and Stay healthy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 21:59:00 2020 From: yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com (Marcia Yudkin) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1450927489.824902.1586987940288@mail.yahoo.com> Rob, Your reasoning is pretty good as far as it goes, but there are two assumptions unspoken in it: 1)There will be no effective treatment for the virus, ever, that makes it less lethal and less severe for those who don't die.? 2)The virus has spread too far now for it ever to be corralled.? Don't forget that SARS and Ebola both were beaten back as world threats without a vaccine. To me, it seems just as possible that we'll discover a treatment as that we'll create a vaccine.? It could be herbal, technological, pharmacological or some other sort of thing we can't really imagine yet. Marcia YudkinGoshen www.yudkin.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Thu Apr 16 01:39:40 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 01:39:40 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: <1450927489.824902.1586987940288@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1450927489.824902.1586987940288@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi folks and thanks for the replies Sam and Marcia, . . . and thanks for getting through my typos--a long overdue vacation has my fingers literally rebelling against typing, aggravating my tendency for typos, but this topic beckons. I'm quite sure that if the body needs more antioxidants, they are used much more than usual. My plan is moderate use steadily, a bit more than I've done since reading the 1983 book Life Extension: A Practical Scientific Approach, by multi-degreed geniuses off the scale Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. On the topic, one of the best and most challenging science books I've ever read is Power, Sex, Suicide: Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life, which among so many insights explains why too many antioxidants is not good. Marcia, totally agree about effective treatment changing the outlook. My concern here is that effective treatments that are not profit centers lack promotion. I wish I had time to convey just how horrendously the profit motive has distorted truth in medicine and undermined the Hippocratic Oath. Regarding containment, given how much more transmissible SARS Covid-2 is than SARS or, for example, influenza, I believe the math renders practically impossible the prevention of hitting ~80% of the population if no vaccine is found. And we may hit that 80% even if one is found over one year from now. Good studies show that the virus is much more prevalent (I recall but not clearly to the tune of 20X reported cases). We could have contained it if the WHO and CDC and Trump acted when it was obvious enough to studious laypersons (there too, follow the money). This PH.D. in Pathology is worth following on the pandemic: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w . Upshot is, that the merciless logic shows a high probability that massive changes are to unfold for many months if not several years, far more than central authorities, treating citizens like children, are conveying.. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Marcia Yudkin Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:59 PM To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net ; Rob Laporte Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic Rob, Your reasoning is pretty good as far as it goes, but there are two assumptions unspoken in it: 1)There will be no effective treatment for the virus, ever, that makes it less lethal and less severe for those who don't die. 2)The virus has spread too far now for it ever to be corralled. Don't forget that SARS and Ebola both were beaten back as world threats without a vaccine. To me, it seems just as possible that we'll discover a treatment as that we'll create a vaccine. It could be herbal, technological, pharmacological or some other sort of thing we can't really imagine yet. Marcia Yudkin Goshen www.yudkin.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From al at alladd.com Thu Apr 16 03:05:02 2020 From: al at alladd.com (Al Ladd) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:05:02 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: <1450927489.824902.1586987940288@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <387da584-27ff-973b-f9f0-a8911e01e3aa@alladd.com> Humility might be useful in reacting to this moment.... https://medium.com/@noahhaber/flatten-the-curve-of-armchair-epidemiology-9aa8cf92d652 On 4/15/2020 9:39 PM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi folks and thanks for the replies Sam and Marcia, > > . . .? and thanks for getting through my typos--a long overdue > vacation has my fingers literally rebelling against typing, > aggravating my tendency for typos,? but this topic beckons. > > I'm quite sure that if the body /needs/ more antioxidants, they are > used much more than usual. My plan is moderate use steadily, a bit > more than I've done since reading the 1983 book Life Extension: A > Practical Scientific Approach > , > by multi-degreed geniuses?off the scale Durk Pearson?and?Sandy Shaw. > On the topic, one of the best and most challenging science books I've > ever read is Power, Sex, Suicide: Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life > , > which among so many insights explains why too many antioxidants is not > good. > > Marcia, totally agree about effective treatment changing the outlook. > My concern here is that effective treatments that are not profit > centers lack promotion. I wish I had time to convey just how > horrendously the profit motive has distorted truth in medicine and > undermined the Hippocratic?Oath. > > Regarding containment, given how much more transmissible?SARS Covid-2 > is than SARS or, for example, influenza, I believe the math renders > practically impossible the prevention of hitting ~80% of the > population if no vaccine is found. And we may hit that 80% even if one > is found over one year from now. Good studies show that the virus is > much more prevalent (I recall but not clearly to the tune of 20X > reported cases). We could have contained it if the WHO and CDC and > Trump acted when it was obvious enough to studious laypersons (there > too, follow the money). > > This PH.D. in Pathology is worth following on the pandemic: > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w?. > > Upshot is, that the merciless logic shows a high probability that > massive changes are to unfold for many months if not several years, > far more than central authorities, treating citizens like children, > are conveying.. > > Take Care, > > > Rob Laporte > > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > > 413-584-6500 > > rob at 2disc.com ?| LinkedIn > | 2DISC.com > > > *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If > you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Marcia Yudkin > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:59 PM > *To:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > ; Rob Laporte > *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic > Rob, > > Your reasoning is pretty good as far as it goes, but there are two > assumptions unspoken in it: > > 1)There will be no effective treatment for the virus, ever, that makes > it less lethal and less severe for those who don't die. > > 2)The virus has spread too far now for it ever to be corralled.? Don't > forget that SARS and Ebola both were beaten back as world threats > without a vaccine. > > To me, it seems just as possible that we'll discover a treatment as > that we'll create a vaccine.? It could be herbal, technological, > pharmacological or some other sort of thing we can't really imagine yet. > > Marcia Yudkin > Goshen > www.yudkin.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan at 8wheels.org Thu Apr 16 12:37:34 2020 From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With regard to stories of reinfection, we're not sure whether that's what's happening or people who are not completely cured. And if it is true reinfection, is it common enough to be epidemiologically significant? And is it happening because there are two (or a very small number) of varieties which do not provide cross-immunity? If so, we can create a vaccine which protects against both. Another thing we don't know is what would happen if we go back to business as usual, but with everyone wearing masks (and perhaps some other measures, though I believe the experts who downplay the importance of transmission via contaminated surfaces). I suspect that once we get the number of current infections far enough down, we could do that safely. There is one more useful measure we can take in November, though it would be a couple of months for it to become effective. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic Date: 15.04.2020 09:01 From: Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss To: "hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net" Hi HTers, I worry that, for a variety of reasons, ever more Americans can?t perform simple reasoning. But maybe what?s seems so clear to me is some kind of delusion. Sp I ask whether the following reasoning is sound. * Flattening the curve increases the time span until herd immunity but not the percentage of the population needed for herd immunity. * The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the login here. * Social distancing, masks, hand-washing, and the like flatten the curve but won?t reduce the total area under the curve and above the horizontal axis of time. That is, sooner or later, the same quantity of people will ultimately contract Covid-19. * Even if 10% of the population has it now (and countries doing good testing show nothing close to that yet), pre-pandemic behavior would produce a flare up of occurrences nearly equal to past flare ups. Of course the higher the percentage of the population that becomes immune, the slower it spreads, but even at 25%, it would spread fast. (A simple math matter for anyone qualified). * If, as more research is showing but not yet concluding, people aren't immune after recovery, this cycle never ends--and vaccines would not produce immunity either. * The math of x percent of recovered are immune for Y months is also relatively simple math that enables planning. * Average duration of immunity after a recovery from a coronaviruses is 48 months, according to one summary all past studies. * Therefore, if a vaccine can't be made, return to the way things were before he pandemic is not remotely possible ever. * If a successful, permanently effective vaccine can be made, only after almost everyone has take it can things begin to return to the way they were before the pandemic. Seems like solid reasoning to me. If it is, we'd best be planning for it. This is more speculative, but stands to reason: Regarding treatment and outcomes, increasingly strong evidence shows that much of the damage is done by +2 and +3 charged iron free radicals released when the virus replaces iron in blood cells. Leave aside for the moment the problem of blood carrying less oxygen. Strong free radical scavengers would likely improve outcomes, perhaps substantially, because tissue damage, usually mostly to the lungs, is a big contributor to grave illness and death. Such has has been shown with vitamin C's positive effects, but there are stronger antioxidants available over the counter. This would mean that we don't need big pharma as much for treatment, and that inexpensive and widely available supplements would substantially reduce hospitalization rates. Since mainstream media gets a huge percent of its revenue from big pharma, such news may be slow to spread. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn [1] | 2DISC.com [2] NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. Links: ------ [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/2disc/ [2] https://www.2disc.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From rob at 2disc.com Thu Apr 16 12:55:17 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:55:17 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: True, the data on reinfection is based on early studies with low numbers of subjects and lack of clarity on causes of apparent return of the virus. Soon we will have reliable stats. However, it stands against reason to assume that this coronavirus will confer immunity way longer than any other coronavirus, and we have tons of good studies over decades on that. Luckily, studies show that the original SARS confers about the longest immunity, two years. No doubt continuing mitigation behaviors will change future outcomes. That's my point: a projection of return to anything like pre-pandemic life is no in line with reason and the range of well-established evidence. Much new evidence is needed, but we can derive sound conclusions from the substantial set of good evidence available now. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Alan Frank Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:37 AM To: Rob Laporte Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic With regard to stories of reinfection, we're not sure whether that's what's happening or people who are not completely cured. And if it is true reinfection, is it common enough to be epidemiologically significant? And is it happening because there are two (or a very small number) of varieties which do not provide cross-immunity? If so, we can create a vaccine which protects against both. Another thing we don't know is what would happen if we go back to business as usual, but with everyone wearing masks (and perhaps some other measures, though I believe the experts who downplay the importance of transmission via contaminated surfaces). I suspect that once we get the number of current infections far enough down, we could do that safely. There is one more useful measure we can take in November, though it would be a couple of months for it to become effective. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic Date: 15.04.2020 09:01 From: Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss To: "hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net" Hi HTers, I worry that, for a variety of reasons, ever more Americans can?t perform simple reasoning. But maybe what?s seems so clear to me is some kind of delusion. Sp I ask whether the following reasoning is sound. * Flattening the curve increases the time span until herd immunity but not the percentage of the population needed for herd immunity. * The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the login here. * Social distancing, masks, hand-washing, and the like flatten the curve but won?t reduce the total area under the curve and above the horizontal axis of time. That is, sooner or later, the same quantity of people will ultimately contract Covid-19. * Even if 10% of the population has it now (and countries doing good testing show nothing close to that yet), pre-pandemic behavior would produce a flare up of occurrences nearly equal to past flare ups. Of course the higher the percentage of the population that becomes immune, the slower it spreads, but even at 25%, it would spread fast. (A simple math matter for anyone qualified). * If, as more research is showing but not yet concluding, people aren't immune after recovery, this cycle never ends--and vaccines would not produce immunity either. * The math of x percent of recovered are immune for Y months is also relatively simple math that enables planning. * Average duration of immunity after a recovery from a coronaviruses is 48 months, according to one summary all past studies. * Therefore, if a vaccine can't be made, return to the way things were before he pandemic is not remotely possible ever. * If a successful, permanently effective vaccine can be made, only after almost everyone has take it can things begin to return to the way they were before the pandemic. Seems like solid reasoning to me. If it is, we'd best be planning for it. This is more speculative, but stands to reason: Regarding treatment and outcomes, increasingly strong evidence shows that much of the damage is done by +2 and +3 charged iron free radicals released when the virus replaces iron in blood cells. Leave aside for the moment the problem of blood carrying less oxygen. Strong free radical scavengers would likely improve outcomes, perhaps substantially, because tissue damage, usually mostly to the lungs, is a big contributor to grave illness and death. Such has has been shown with vitamin C's positive effects, but there are stronger antioxidants available over the counter. This would mean that we don't need big pharma as much for treatment, and that inexpensive and widely available supplements would substantially reduce hospitalization rates. Since mainstream media gets a huge percent of its revenue from big pharma, such news may be slow to spread. 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URL: From donnabrook at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 20:25:00 2020 From: donnabrook at gmail.com (donna brooks) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] wireless headsets for zoom on MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the fantastic input on headphones for my MacBook. By far, the iPods carried the day. I appreciate all of you helping me! Donna On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:35 PM donna brooks wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am teaching on zoom. When I do one on one work I can just wear my apple > ear buds (I have a MacBook Pro) but when I teach classes I need to move > around and then the sound is not good! Part of the issue is that the room > has high ceilings but I am wondering if some kind of blue tooth or > wireless headset would work. It is extremely confusing to me to research > this. Do you have an recommendations? I just want people on the zoom > conference to hear me clearly! > > > Best, > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > -- Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation www.originalbodywisdom.com 413 230 -1260 donnabrook at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpleshoemaking at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 20:25:38 2020 From: simpleshoemaking at gmail.com (Sharon Raymond) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? Message-ID: hi, i'm trying to reach charles strader or someone who can help me switch my old website address to my new website. i was a client of gaiahost for many years and need his help to make this transfer - do you know if he left anyone in charge with dealing with these needs? thank you, best wishes, sharon simpleshoemaking at gmail.com https://simpleshoemaking.wixsite.com/website https://www.instagram.com/simpleshoemaking/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/shoemakingfun/ "If I had known they were going to do this, I would have become a shoemaker". Albert Einstein From rich at on-the-net.com Fri Apr 17 20:51:55 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:51:55 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3393adf9-0f0a-f014-cc83-05b7000a75f2@on-the-net.com> supposedly this group will handle the transfer: https://be.coop/account/ https://be.coop/account/cart.php This is that Gaia says: https://gaiahost.coop/help#status I got a vanilla answer from them saying they were moving domains, and a few others here have said they did get a response they accepted. Do let the group know how this worked for you. Good luck On 4/17/2020 4:25 PM, Sharon Raymond via Hidden-discuss wrote: > hi, i'm trying to reach charles strader or someone who can help me switch my old website address to my new website. i was a client of gaiahost for many years and need his help to make this transfer - do you know if he left anyone in charge with dealing with these needs? thank you, > > best wishes, > sharon > simpleshoemaking at gmail.com > https://simpleshoemaking.wixsite.com/website > https://www.instagram.com/simpleshoemaking/ > https://www.facebook.com/groups/shoemakingfun/ > > "If I had known they were going to do this, I would have become a shoemaker". > Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > From glp at gregperham.com Sat Apr 18 09:03:38 2020 From: glp at gregperham.com (GLP) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:03:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In January, my clients were able to get ahold of Charles and wrest control of their domain names. We had been trying for almost a year. You want to request for him to ?unlock the domain and send you the transfer authorization code.? At any respectable registrar, you can do this yourself, but Gaia was Doing It Wrong. > On Apr 17, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Sharon Raymond via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > hi, i'm trying to reach charles strader or someone who can help me switch my old website address to my new website. i was a client of gaiahost for many years and need his help to make this transfer - do you know if he left anyone in charge with dealing with these needs? thank you, > > best wishes, > sharon > simpleshoemaking at gmail.com > https://simpleshoemaking.wixsite.com/website > https://www.instagram.com/simpleshoemaking/ > https://www.facebook.com/groups/shoemakingfun/ > > "If I had known they were going to do this, I would have become a shoemaker". > Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Sat Apr 18 19:32:52 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:32:52 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Chromebooks for kids Message-ID: <52542e8a-5b22-74b9-275b-7d92cadaee06@tnrglobal.com> I have converted a dozen older PCs to Chromebooks and wrote up the procedure for anyone else to use: http://www.tnrglobal.com/2020/04/reusing-computers-for-chromebook/ Technically this uses ChromeOS which is a public release of the OS Google uses to make Chromebooks. We used NeverWare home edition and allow for those that want get paid support. There was a debate at HT about using ChromeOS vs Mint (or another easy to use Linux). We decided to stick with ChromeOS since that is what many of the schools are geared to expect. If anyone has a Mint installable OS image we can put on a USB stick, email me offline and I'll add details to the instructions. Also, if anyone has more machines we can process for any of the local schools, please contact me offline. Happy Trails and Stay Healthy. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From rich at tnrglobal.com Sun Apr 19 22:34:28 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Anyone can swap a good screen for a cracked screen Message-ID: <38fbad4c-ce3a-9705-73c1-4d163f7b0d3a@tnrglobal.com> I have 3 Dell 6440, one with cracked screen and others: trashed power socket and dead. I have prepped the rest of the dozen for homeless kids. I need the good screen on one of the dead ones put on the one with the cracked screen. Anyone can handle this ? All to be donated to homeless kids. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From lion at catamount.net Mon Apr 20 02:39:26 2020 From: lion at catamount.net (Catamount) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Anyone can swap a good screen for a cracked screen In-Reply-To: <38fbad4c-ce3a-9705-73c1-4d163f7b0d3a@tnrglobal.com> References: <38fbad4c-ce3a-9705-73c1-4d163f7b0d3a@tnrglobal.com> Message-ID: <235b5973-8579-de86-cb7d-74d0faff5b73@catamount.net> Rich, I'd be happy to volunteer for the swap, it's a pretty easy process, on that model. I was formerly Catamount Computer in Shelburne Falls. Now in Hatfield. I've done laptop repairs since 1996, was Apple Authorized for a decade+. -- Holleran Greenburger lion at catamount.net cell 413-522-7868 On 4/19/20 6:34 PM, Rich at tnr via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I have 3 Dell 6440, > one with cracked screen and others: trashed power socket and dead. > I have prepped the rest of the dozen for homeless kids. > > I need the good screen on one of the dead ones put on the one with the > cracked screen. > Anyone can handle this ? > > All to be donated to homeless kids. > > -- > Rich Roth > CEO TnR Global > > Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com > Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com > Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com > And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com > http://www.artonmytv.com/ > Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For those for whom "math" is scary territory, I saw a great visualization in the Washington Post that allows you to see the curve as it develops: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ cheers, James From dbelmont2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 17:22:38 2020 From: dbelmont2 at gmail.com (Dan Belmont Piano Teacher) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:22:38 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] friend looking for someone to refurbish an old Mac In-Reply-To: <235b5973-8579-de86-cb7d-74d0faff5b73@catamount.net> References: <38fbad4c-ce3a-9705-73c1-4d163f7b0d3a@tnrglobal.com> <235b5973-8579-de86-cb7d-74d0faff5b73@catamount.net> Message-ID: Hello HT-ers - A friend of mine has an old Mac laptop that he is looking to have refurbished. Specs are : MacBook Pro 15? late 2008 model, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor with 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 Memory. OS X El Capitan version 10.11.6 installed. Anyone out there in a position to do this for a reasonable price ? Thanks ! 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If you have an affordable, high-quality resource, suggestion, or direction we would both welcome your reply. Thank you. Sheldon J. Sheldon Snodgrass, MBA *Watch my sales lesson here* Worry Less. Sell Well. www.SteadySales.com 413-244-2294 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debchandler411 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 03:41:16 2020 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Need an ethernet to USB adaptor * * * Message-ID: Hi folks, Does someone have an ethernet to USB adaptor for use with an Acer Chromebook 15, Model #CB3-532, 2017. It is hard right now to find one in the stores. Thanks! Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rich at tnrglobal.com Fri Apr 24 14:25:37 2020 From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich@tnr) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:25:37 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Mojave install gone bad In-Reply-To: <38E2BE24-D167-4CAE-855D-51F1B21C2FD6@gmail.com> References: <38E2BE24-D167-4CAE-855D-51F1B21C2FD6@gmail.com> Message-ID: 1) The reasons for no attachments is now more important than ever, those in the hilltowns who have satellite are being overloaded as are the networks in general. 2) There are plenty of ways to share images off list. both google drive and dropbox have easy methods to load images and share them publicly. as does any one with a web site using wordpress, joomla or Drupal. Be creative folks. As for Mojave -- I leave that to others. Rich On 4/24/2020 9:49 AM, tom's gmail via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I tried installing Apple?s Mojave last night on my 2017 iMac... I woke > up to a stuck install window 9 hours later. > > I?d attach a photo or video of the error window but I don?t think > that?s allowed for some reason, still. > > Started it in safe mode. Zapped the pram but still no go. > > Help?? > > Regards, > > Tom Adams, Director/Owner > > www.ReelifeProductions.com > > http://Folktography.zenfolio.com > > ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ? > > Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > > (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707) > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From limako at bierfaristo.com Fri Apr 24 14:28:48 2020 From: limako at bierfaristo.com (Steven D. Brewer) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Mojave install gone bad In-Reply-To: <38E2BE24-D167-4CAE-855D-51F1B21C2FD6@gmail.com> References: <38E2BE24-D167-4CAE-855D-51F1B21C2FD6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85dfbbfc-de37-9c3f-d38a-61aa907af5d1@bierfaristo.com> Try to boot from internet restore: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314 Then run disk first aid and/or reformat drive (if necessary -- you do have backups, right?), then try to install again. Good luck! On 4/24/20 9:49 AM, tom's gmail via Hidden-discuss wrote: > I tried installing Apple?s Mojave last night on my 2017 iMac... I woke up to a stuck install window 9 hours later. > > I?d attach a photo or video of the error window but I don?t think that?s allowed for some reason, still. > > Started it in safe mode. Zapped the pram but still no go. > > Help?? > > Regards, > Tom Adams, Director/Owner > www.ReelifeProductions.com > http://Folktography.zenfolio.com > ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ? > Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707) > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- Steven D. BREWER http://blog.bierfaristo.com/ Granda doto kaj oro, sed mankas la koro. From tomadams at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 15:01:33 2020 From: tomadams at gmail.com (tom's gmail) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Mojave install gone bad Message-ID: ? ? ?Problem solved. Thanks. After disconnecting all attached drives and external connections and trying everything in the book, I held down the option key during a restart and some crazy screen that I?ve never seen before showed up. Allowed me to follow through with installation. Here?s the beautiful result (via google drive ;) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tyHwZX2AgbA4AhfNY09syAQ5JOIPg-jM/view?usp=drivesdk Regards, Tom Adams, Director/Owner www.ReelifeProductions.com http://Folktography.zenfolio.com ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707) >> On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Steven D. Brewer via Hidden-discuss wrote: > ?Try to boot from internet restore: > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201314 > Then run disk first aid and/or reformat drive (if necessary -- you do > have backups, right?), then try to install again. > > Good luck! > >> On 4/24/20 9:49 AM, tom's gmail via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> I tried installing Apple?s Mojave last night on my 2017 iMac... I woke up to a stuck install window 9 hours later. >> >> I?d attach a photo or video of the error window but I don?t think that?s allowed for some reason, still. >> >> Started it in safe mode. Zapped the pram but still no go. >> >> Help?? >> >> Regards, >> Tom Adams, Director/Owner >> www.ReelifeProductions.com >> http://Folktography.zenfolio.com >> ? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb ? >> Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 >> (From the road / my virtual office/iPhone 413.575.9707) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Steven D. BREWER > http://blog.bierfaristo.com/ > Granda doto kaj oro, sed mankas la koro. > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Fri Apr 24 20:41:46 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:41:46 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: <20200421171913.rec4unynj7oqahgp@bermuda.datamat.net> References: , <20200421171913.rec4unynj7oqahgp@bermuda.datamat.net> Message-ID: That WP article's simulation is well done, except for one crucial thing--it does not show the time scale. The last motion graphic showing the spread when only 1 in 8 people move at all, ever, well it just ends when it's starting to really spread. Easy-ish for a mathematician but not for me would be showing when if ever would extreme social distancing and near-perfect mask use by almost everyone result in enough recovered people blocking the spread to as yet uninfected people such that, in the end, much less than 80% of the population ultimately gets covid-19? Meanwhile, the US is at about 50,000 deaths, and at the highest estimate maybe 10% of the population has been infected. That math is easier to do; hard to accept. Take Care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: James Triplett Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 1:19 PM To: Rob Laporte Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic Rob is making good sense here: "The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the logic here." For those for whom "math" is scary territory, I saw a great visualization in the Washington Post that allows you to see the curve as it develops: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ cheers, James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tech at montaguewebworks.com Fri Apr 24 22:06:09 2020 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:06:09 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic In-Reply-To: References: <20200421171913.rec4unynj7oqahgp@bermuda.datamat.net> Message-ID: Check this out, if you haven't already.... * https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map I used to live in Queens. My parents still live there, and they're currently stuck in Florida trying to get back there. I'm trying to convince them to stay put. Mik --- Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 4/24/2020 4:41 PM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > That WP article's simulation is well done, except for one crucial > thing--it does not show the time scale. The last motion graphic > showing the spread when only 1 in 8 people move at all, ever, well it > just ends when it's starting to really spread. > > Easy-ish for a mathematician but not for me would be showing when if > ever would extreme social distancing and near-perfect mask use by > almost everyone result in enough recovered people blocking the spread > to as yet uninfected people such that, in the end, much less than 80% > of the population ultimately gets covid-19? > > Meanwhile, the US is at about 50,000 deaths, and at the highest > estimate maybe 10% of the population has been infected. That math is > easier to do; hard to accept. > > Take Care, > > > Rob Laporte > > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > > 413-584-6500 > > rob at 2disc.com ?| LinkedIn > | 2DISC.com > > > *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If > you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* James Triplett > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 1:19 PM > *To:* Rob Laporte > *Cc:* hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic > > Rob is making good sense here: > > ???????? "The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as > math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at about > 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the logic here." > > > For those for whom "math" is scary territory, I saw a great > visualization in the Washington Post that allows you to see the curve > as it develops: > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ > > cheers, > James > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at 2disc.com Sat Apr 25 12:42:42 2020 From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Excellence and Dedication of Greenfield Savings Bank Message-ID: Hi HTers, About a year ago I asked here for local bank recommendations, as my firm moved from Easthampton Savings Bank because of its multiple failures over many months costing my firm well north of $1500. The great preponderance among many recommendations were for GSB. All of my experiences with GSB confirm the validity of those glowing recommendations. Beyond thanking this list for that good advice, I?m reporting my front row seat to GSB?s extraordinary efforts to help local businesses by working like mad to deliver PPP loans/grants amidst the chaos of shifting laws and rules in the PPP program. I read those laws in detail (and the far superior Senate version before the House let the banking Lobby inject chaos fruitful for the big bank and lawyer lobbies), and I can tell you that it was not the local banks that caused many businesses to not secure the loan. Some big banks broke the law (which was made nearly lawless by design), and most banks, to reduce their legal risks, served only existing clients. But GSB burnt the midnight oil and took on risks of their own to deliver as much as possible. Just giving credit where it?s due. For those still waiting, I do believe you?ll eventually get it. The country and world is in a classic debt trap for which issuing more debt and even giving away printed money is the only solution short of collapsing and resetting the global monetary regime. Ultimately, it?s in the system?s interest that you get the PPP loans/grants. Best of Luck and take care, Rob Laporte Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tech at montaguewebworks.com Sun Apr 26 19:49:23 2020 From: tech at montaguewebworks.com (Michael Muller) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] The Excellence and Dedication of Greenfield Savings Bank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wholeheartedy agree, Rob. They went beyond for us. Mik Mik Muller, president Montague WebWorks 413-320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com Powered by ROCKETFUSION On 4/25/2020 8:42 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi HTers, > > About a year ago I asked here for local bank recommendations, as my > firm moved from Easthampton Savings Bank because of its multiple > failures over many months costing my firm well north of $1500. The > great preponderance among many recommendations were for GSB. All of my > experiences with GSB confirm the validity of those glowing > recommendations. > > Beyond thanking this list for that good advice, I?m reporting my front > row seat to GSB?s extraordinary efforts to help local businesses by > working like mad to deliver PPP loans/grants amidst the chaos of > shifting laws and rules in the PPP program. I read those laws in > detail (and the far superior Senate version before the House let the > banking Lobby inject chaos fruitful for the big bank and lawyer > lobbies), and I can tell you that it was not the local banks that > caused many businesses to not secure the loan. Some big banks broke > the law (which was made nearly lawless by design), and most banks, to > reduce their legal risks, served only existing clients. But GSB burnt > the midnight oil and took on risks of their own to deliver as much as > possible. > > Just giving credit where it?s due. > > For those still waiting, I do believe you?ll eventually get it. The > country and world is in a classic debt trap for which issuing more > debt and even giving away printed money is the only solution short of > collapsing and resetting the global monetary regime. Ultimately, it?s > in the system?s interest that you get the PPP loans/grants. > > Best of Luck and take care, > > > Rob Laporte > > Chief Business Development Officer | Founder | Chairman > > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > > 413-584-6500 > > rob at 2disc.com ?| LinkedIn > | 2DISC.com > > > *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If > you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at yescomputers.com Mon Apr 27 15:09:29 2020 From: mark at yescomputers.com (Mark Wineburg) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 11:09:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Temp Position - Apple Certified (or not) Technician In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F439388-2F83-45F1-B577-B6E996DDD31D@yescomputers.com> Dear friends in the local technology community. We need HELP. This is not generally the forum to post help-wanted opportunities. My apologies but here it goes. Apple iOS and Apple Macintosh technician needed In these challenging times I hope we can offer a position to someone in need of extra income and to meet the unprecedented demands of iPhone and Mac repair needs in our community - now that all Apple Stores are temporarily closed. Full or Part time temporary position-Possible longer term opportunity depending on the Coronavirus impact on our community. Preference given to candidate with either or both: Apple iOS Support Technician (ACiT) Apple Certified Macintosh Technician (ACMT) or related practical experience repairing Apple devices. Please do not even consider this position if your or family member has any underlying health conditions that may put you at additional risk by not sheltering in-place. Yes Computers has been granted relief to stay open as we are considered an essential business by the State on Massachusetts - We are limiting all services to curbside pickup and drop off. We have implanted multiple procedures to protect our staff and clients and have implemented a double door system with no physical contact. We are Yes Computers, downtown Northampton. 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So I am looking for someone to create a page for me. Any input appreciated D?d? Wilson From elaine at ftllabscorp.com Tue Apr 28 14:53:51 2020 From: elaine at ftllabscorp.com (Elaine Davenport) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] JOB: Engineering Software Developer at FTL Labs Corporation Message-ID: ABOUT FTL LABS CORPORATION FTL Labs Corporation is a tight-knit association of Ph.D. scientists and seasoned engineers who work to develop next-generation software and technology products to solve problems for government and industrial clients. FTL personnel have participated in Phase I, Phase II, and Phase III Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) programs through the National Science Foundation, Department of Defense, and NASA, and we strive to transition these technologies to the market. We frequently collaborate with both academic and industry leaders, such as UMass Amherst, Northrop Grumman, and Sikorsky. Our work demonstrates innovative thinking in a team setting across a wide range of fields and specialties, including: - Machine learning, neural nets, and artificial intelligence - Prototype and product design/engineering - Electronics interfacing - Expertise in optics, fuels, ultrasound, acoustics, robotics, and life sciences - Big data analysis, virtual and augmented reality - Custom software solutions If you are a creative self-starter, technically innovative, and have excellent writing skills, we want to hear from you! ABOUT THE POSITION 2020 is a remarkable year for growth at FTL Labs. We have been awarded several Phase I & II SBIR programs that build on our expertise in several areas, including our innovative applications of convolutional neural nets. We are seeking a full-time Engineering Software Developer with broad development skills for PC and embedded processors,including the following: - Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) - Robotics, machine vision, neural nets, AI - Unity3D, C#, C++, SQL, Visual Studio - 3D modeling, CAD, and FEA solutions to mechanical engineering problems - Mathematical modelling and algorithms (Matlab, R) - Embedded processor firmware (PIC, Jetson, Toradex) - Database and cloud architectures - Visualization and manipulation of large data sets - Self-motivated and goal oriented - Fun and easy to work with in a dynamic team Bachelor's degree or its equivalent with a minimum of 5 years of experience. Due to the nature of our work for the U.S. Government, we are required to hire U.S. Citizens. We apologize for not having more hiring flexibility. FTL Labs is located in the vibrant intellectual community of western Massachusetts, close to the University of Massachusetts flagship campus and Amherst College. We offer competitive compensation and benefits, including excellent health and dental coverage, short and long term disability, life insurance, profit-sharing, and 401k with employer contribution. During the public health emergency all FTL employees are telecommuting, and we look forward to returning to our office in Amherst when we can ensure it will not endanger the health or safety of our staff. APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS Please email your resume and 3 references (at least 2 professional contacts) to kristie at ftllabscorp.com and mike at ftllabscorp.com. Elaine Davenport Manager, Operations and Corporate Communications pronouns: she/her or they/them -- FTL Labs Corporation www.ftllabscorp.com 479 West Street Suite 48, Amherst, MA 01002 (413) 992-6075 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information for the use of the designated recipients named above. 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URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Tue Apr 28 15:46:57 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> References: <41dc2d1a-032b-b40d-e3e2-094001f3e460@otherrealm.org> <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> Message-ID: <82d88748-94b6-096a-46ee-5d189faf37ed@on-the-net.com> I believe you mean Wikipedia.com Wiki is a general term for that style of web site, for example we run Shakerpedia.com about the Shakers. and There is no THEY at Wikipedia - there are many topic editors and edits are shown so there is no removal of pages unless they are illegal of some sort - blatant lies, slander, indicting violence etc. In short you are best to create an account and create a page using resume like info, and basing it on those of others in the field you best match. Rich On 4/28/2020 10:07 AM, D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for me. Any input appreciated > > D?d? Wilson > _______________________________________________ > From paul at bissex.net Tue Apr 28 16:02:02 2020 From: paul at bissex.net (Paul Bissex) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> References: <41dc2d1a-032b-b40d-e3e2-094001f3e460@otherrealm.org> <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> Message-ID: <63d9056e-a136-100e-f0b7-56ba2843dfea@bissex.net> Yes, the bad news about creating Wikipedia pages is that if you don't follow the guidelines,? your submission is indeed likely to get flagged for removal. The good news is, the guidelines are public and very thoroughly described. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article The key thing (from the top of that page): "*the topic should be notable and be covered in detail in good references from independent sources*". I.e. if there aren't online news stories, print references, or other reputable content about the subject, it probably isn't something that should be in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. I helped a former employer through this process, when their first stab at a self-promotional (bad idea) Wikipedia page was immediately flagged as "non-notable". And I've helped a couple friends establish entries. The constraints do feel tedious and fussy -- but understand that all this structure is there to keep the site useful and trustworthy. Good luck! It's a grind, but satisfying in the end. P On 4/28/20 10:07 AM, D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for me. Any input appreciated > > D?d? Wilson > _______________________________________________ > -- Paul Bissex, software engineer http://paulbissex.com/ Greenfield MA 01301 USA 413-230-9451 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffrutherford at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 16:26:19 2020 From: jeffrutherford at gmail.com (Jeff Rutherford) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:26:19 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've created Wikipedia pages. I'm happy to help. Wikipedia articles have to have sources. Preferably books, newspapers, or magazine articles. If not, then good online sources. It has to be written in Wikipedia's very strict, neutral style. And Wikipedia's editors are tough. I've worked on pages before, and then had to spend an inordinate amount of time arguing about the notability of the page topic, etc. Jeff Jeff Rutherford 413 475-0087 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tommurray.us at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 18:24:01 2020 From: tommurray.us at gmail.com (Tom Murray) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:24:01 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] contract coding posting -- web app development Message-ID: <7F8FBDC0-D63A-4149-B615-34FBC26A5ED3@gmail.com> Hello Valley techs, I am looking for some web app development help to modify an existing web app that is close but buggy. Skills required include strong experience in: Angular Material, NodeJS, Heroku, Postgress, json, Javascript (Bonus: python skill; Double bonus, some machine learning chops). 10-40 hours of work expected, or 4-10 per week for 3-4 weeks. Could turn into much more work if the alpha version succeeds and we move to the next phase. Send resume and references I can contact. Give me an idea of your rates. Subject matter is related to the assessment of "wisdom skills" and "worldview complexity." Reply to: Tom . Please forward if you know someone who may qualify! thanks, Tom Murray ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---=== Tom Murray, EdD Knowing and Unknowing Reality (read it here ) Chief Visionary and Instigator @ Open Way Solutions ? www.openwaysolutions.com Senior Research Fellow in Cognitive Tools, Educational Technology & E-Dialogue @ UMass Amherst ? www.tommurray.us 36 Fruit Street, Northampton MA 01060; phone: is413-then-695-and-2800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan at 8wheels.org Tue Apr 28 19:32:19 2020 From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> References: <41dc2d1a-032b-b40d-e3e2-094001f3e460@otherrealm.org> <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> Message-ID: <5d114ffb7ed2f9eaf8de3eb1212da38f@8wheels.org> There have been some other good answers about notability and sourcing. The good news is that a page will not be removed for "not being good enough." Suppose you had been the first one to create an article on Greta Thunberg after she shot to prominence and had made some errors, whether of fact, spelling, or style. Other editors would have fixed the mistakes, not removed the article. On the other hand, if you created an article on the tree in your back yard, it would be removed as non-notable regardless of how well researched and edited the article might be, and even if there were a page on your town's web site documenting all the trees in town, including yours. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages Date: 28.04.2020 10:07 From: D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss To: Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for me. Any input appreciated D?d? Wilson _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members From dede at dedewilson.com Tue Apr 28 19:35:34 2020 From: dede at dedewilson.com (=?utf-8?B?RMOpZMOpIFdpbHNvbg==?=) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <5d114ffb7ed2f9eaf8de3eb1212da38f@8wheels.org> References: <41dc2d1a-032b-b40d-e3e2-094001f3e460@otherrealm.org> <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> <5d114ffb7ed2f9eaf8de3eb1212da38f@8wheels.org> Message-ID: Just to elaborate, the situation is that when you Google my name (Dede Wilson), I come up in every link for a couple (few) pages as I have written 17 books, hosted TV shows, etc. There is plenty there BUT the Wikipedia link shows my image but the content is referencing a poet, born in Louisiana. No relation to me. I need to fix this. So, I do believe I have plenty to fill a page that would be ?acceptable? if done right. I just want to get it done right and am willing to pay someone who has done this before to take on the project. D?d? Wilson > On Apr 28, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Alan Frank wrote: > > There have been some other good answers about notability and sourcing. The good news is that a page will not be removed for "not being good enough." Suppose you had been the first one to create an article on Greta Thunberg after she shot to prominence and had made some errors, whether of fact, spelling, or style. Other editors would have fixed the mistakes, not removed the article. On the other hand, if you created an article on the tree in your back yard, it would be removed as non-notable regardless of how well researched and edited the article might be, and even if there were a page on your town's web site documenting all the trees in town, including yours. > > --Alan > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages > Date: 28.04.2020 10:07 > From: D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss > To: > > Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy > enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem > not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for > me. Any input appreciated > > D?d? Wilson > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members Author of The Low FODMAP Diet?Step-by-Step Visit our Community and Learn to Thrive! FODMAPeveryday.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7157 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jack at 2disc.com Tue Apr 28 20:57:51 2020 From: jack at 2disc.com (Jack Fox) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:57:51 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: References: <41dc2d1a-032b-b40d-e3e2-094001f3e460@otherrealm.org> <86C7C958-B22E-46E2-B712-0EBEC1A0FABC@dedewilson.com> <5d114ffb7ed2f9eaf8de3eb1212da38f@8wheels.org>, Message-ID: Hi D?d?, You can also click "Feedback" in grey on the lower right of the Knowledge Panel for Dede Wilson (the box on the right side of search results) to inform Google directly of the errors. Keep in mind that Google has been slower to respond to these kinds of issues during the pandemic, but they should get to it eventually. Ideally, Google would create a Knowledge Panel for both you and the poet, but likely hasn't yet because it's unaware of the mix up. Having your own wikipedia page would help clear up the confusion and possible cause Google to create your own Knowledge Panel. Although I think you have enough presence on the web already to merit one. I've seen authors of just one book with a Knowledge Panel. In summary, creating a wikipedia page would benefit your online presence but may not be necessary to correct Google results for your name. That's my professional opinion as someone who works in online reputation management and SEO. I hope that's helpful! Cheers, Jack Fox CEO DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 jack at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 15:35 To: Alan Frank Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages Just to elaborate, the situation is that when you Google my name (Dede Wilson), I come up in every link for a couple (few) pages as I have written 17 books, hosted TV shows, etc. There is plenty there BUT the Wikipedia link shows my image but the content is referencing a poet, born in Louisiana. No relation to me. I need to fix this. So, I do believe I have plenty to fill a page that would be ?acceptable? if done right. I just want to get it done right and am willing to pay someone who has done this before to take on the project. D?d? Wilson On Apr 28, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Alan Frank > wrote: There have been some other good answers about notability and sourcing. The good news is that a page will not be removed for "not being good enough." Suppose you had been the first one to create an article on Greta Thunberg after she shot to prominence and had made some errors, whether of fact, spelling, or style. Other editors would have fixed the mistakes, not removed the article. On the other hand, if you created an article on the tree in your back yard, it would be removed as non-notable regardless of how well researched and edited the article might be, and even if there were a page on your town's web site documenting all the trees in town, including yours. --Alan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages Date: 28.04.2020 10:07 From: D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss > To: Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for me. Any input appreciated D?d? Wilson _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members Author of The Low FODMAP Diet Step-by-Step Visit our Community and Learn to Thrive! FODMAPeveryday.com [cid:9B4198FD-AC7C-4CC6-8394-1E35354054BF at hsd1.ma.comcast.net.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep in mind that Google has been slower to respond to these kinds of issues during the pandemic, but they should get to it eventually. > > Ideally, Google would create a Knowledge Panel for both you and the poet, but likely hasn't yet because it's unaware of the mix up. Having your own wikipedia page would help clear up the confusion and possible cause Google to create your own Knowledge Panel. Although I think you have enough presence on the web already to merit one. I've seen authors of just one book with a Knowledge Panel. > > In summary, creating a wikipedia page would benefit your online presence but may not be necessary to correct Google results for your name. That's my professional opinion as someone who works in online reputation management and SEO. I hope that's helpful! > > Cheers, > > Jack Fox > CEO > DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money > 413-584-6500 > jack at 2disc.com | LinkedIn | 2DISC.com > > NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. > > > From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 15:35 > To: Alan Frank > Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages > > Just to elaborate, the situation is that when you Google my name (Dede Wilson), I come up in every link for a couple (few) pages as I have written 17 books, hosted TV shows, etc. There is plenty there BUT the Wikipedia link shows my image but the content is referencing a poet, born in Louisiana. No relation to me. I need to fix this. So, I do believe I have plenty to fill a page that would be ?acceptable? if done right. I just want to get it done right and am willing to pay someone who has done this before to take on the project. > > D?d? Wilson > >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Alan Frank > wrote: >> >> There have been some other good answers about notability and sourcing. The good news is that a page will not be removed for "not being good enough." Suppose you had been the first one to create an article on Greta Thunberg after she shot to prominence and had made some errors, whether of fact, spelling, or style. Other editors would have fixed the mistakes, not removed the article. On the other hand, if you created an article on the tree in your back yard, it would be removed as non-notable regardless of how well researched and edited the article might be, and even if there were a page on your town's web site documenting all the trees in town, including yours. >> >> --Alan >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [Hidden-tech] Wiki Pages >> Date: 28.04.2020 10:07 >> From: D?d? Wilson via Hidden-discuss > >> To: >> >> Anyone have experience creating WIKI pages that ?work?. It looks easy >> enough and yet I have read that WIKI will remove pages that they deem >> not ?good enough?. So I am looking for someone to create a page for >> me. 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Our work demonstrates innovative thinking in a team setting across a wide range of fields and specialties, including: - Machine learning, neural nets, and artificial intelligence - Prototype and product design/engineering - Electronics interfacing - Expertise in optics, fuels, ultrasound, acoustics, robotics, and life sciences - Big data analysis, virtual and augmented reality - Custom software solutions ABOUT THE POSITION 2020 is a remarkable year for growth at FTL Labs. We have been awarded several Phase I & II SBIR programs that build on our expertise in several areas, including our innovative applications of convolutional neural nets. We are seeking a full-time Lead Technology Products R&D Scientist and/or Engineer with broad science and engineering skills and innovative thinking who works well in a team setting. If you are a creative self-starter, technically innovative, and have excellent writing skills, we are looking for you. Skills that would be advantageous include, but are not limited to: - Understanding and interest in multidisciplinary science including physics, chemistry, and life sciences - Interested in developing a business area by writing proposals and reaching out to potential customers - Electromechanical system design, assembly, and testing - Lead a team of engineers in R&D projects - Custom PCB board development - Laser and optical system design - Mechanical design and fabrication - System prototyping and testing - Laboratory equipment such as oscilloscopes, power supplies, and microscopes - Self-motivated and goal oriented - Fun and easy to work with in a dynamic team Ph. D, Master?s or Bachelor's degree candidates in Mechanical or Electrical Engineering, Physics, or related field with a minimum of 3-5 years of experience will be considered. FTL Labs is located in the vibrant intellectual community of western Massachusetts, close to the University of Massachusetts flagship campus and Amherst College. We offer competitive compensation and benefits, including excellent health and dental coverage, short and long term disability, life insurance, profit-sharing, and 401k with employer contribution. During the public health emergency all FTL employees are telecommuting, and we look forward to returning to our office in Amherst when we can ensure it will not endanger the health or safety of our staff. 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URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Thu Apr 30 12:53:33 2020 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich@OTN) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 08:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] stabilizing internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it still happening ? 'A server' is not system wide - and a hot spot or ethernet cord will not effect system wide issues. For more info: https://www.internetweathermap.com/ On 4/29/2020 8:41 PM, donna brooks via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Does anyone know what to do if there is a system wide problem on the > internet server (spectrum business inBrooklyn)? Can anything?aside > from a hot spot?or ethernet cord be used to stabilize the signal? > > thanks, > > Donna > > -- > Donna Brooks, BS, RSMT, C-IAYT > Somatic Movement Education, Yoga Therapy and Embodied Meditation > www.originalbodywisdom.com > 413 230 -1260 > donnabrook at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidmager at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 19:22:45 2020 From: davidmager at comcast.net (David Mager) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:22:45 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Host a Web-based Community Meeting with Closed Caption Transcripting Message-ID: <8E60B7AB-9BBC-4C60-8EF3-3FE42EA6ADB9@comcast.net> Can we contract you to host a Virtual Web-Based Community Outreach Meeting for Mass Cannabis Growers Coop for its proposed Holyoke indoor-grow location? We will need some or all participants to be able to: 1) Be in compliance with all shelter-in-place, social distancing, quarantine requirements 2) See a Powerpoint presentation and hear it narrated 3) Have a moderator decide who speaks when 4) Ask questions via phone or video conferencing (like Zoom or Skype) 5) Be able to see spokespersons & hear from Mass Cannabis Growers Coop respond to the questions 6) Read a closed caption transcription of all participants or see an interpreter signing the transcript in the event the participant is deaf 7) Watch a ?dry-run? the day before as proof of efficacy. The total audience will probably not be more than 10-40 participants. Please let us know if and for how much we can retain you for this service Thank you Sustainably yours David Mager Mass Cannabis Growers Coop LLC PO Box 704 Hatfield, MA 01038 (413) 247-0120 Mobile (413) 427-1768 Email MajorEnviro at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: