[Hidden-tech] Graphic design contest for a card deck
Shel Horowitz
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Sat Sep 28 17:15:08 UTC 2019
This is one scenario that I keep in mind when I generally turn down
requests for free consulting disguised as proposals. I do put in proposals
for speaking gigs, but for scope-of-consulting, I call it a marketing plan
and I charge for it.
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:50 AM Harry Flood via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> Being in the finance field I have worked in several companies where
> clients or potential clients were totally happy to have you do development
> work for their benefit, after which they'd decide to buy it. Or not. It's a
> slippery slope.
>
> Harry
>
> Harry J Flood
> CFO, Mediaspectrum, Inc.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:12 PM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Greetings HT,
>>
>> Interesting discussion going on. Also following the parallel thread about *The
>> Other Job Fair*.
>>
>> I think there is a place for this type of Graphic Design Contest — design
>> students looking to build a portfolio, or people just starting out with the
>> same goal. I submitted quite a few pieces back when I was in school during
>> the late 70’s and actually “won" several. Good to have printed samples.
>>
>> Of course most times, you get what you pay for — but occasionally you get
>> a gem.
>>
>> At agencies I’ve worked at, we often would develop creative concepts for
>> campaigns which were technically “on spec” but these were for new business
>> pitches for national clients. If we won the account, it would pay off in a
>> big way. We had a budget allocated for this type of spec work.
>>
>> Happy Fall,
>> Kimo
>>
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>> On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Aaron,
>>
>> This is a GREAT template to go by!!
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:56 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman <
>> aaron at taylorwaldman.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The AIGA (American Institute of Graphic Arts) has made their stance
>>> clear https://www.aiga.org/position-spec-work
>>>
>>> When it comes to work-for-hire, I offer these options for creative
>>> services:
>>>
>>> - Paid work
>>> - Pro bono (or volunteering) — for cause work only, and no more than
>>> 20% of my annual work hours.
>>> - Personal projects (The only person who gets 'free' work is me)
>>>
>>> Equity may be an option for some, sure—but 90% of the time you should
>>> take the money. Unless you're a cofounder of a company, and/or the equity
>>> offer is from a startup with a valuation and funding (not bootstrapping).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:34 PM Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <
>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kris,
>>>>
>>>> I've always likened the idea of these skills being too easy to be paid
>>>> their worth as being seen as simple as coloring. What I don't get is if
>>>> they clearly see these skills as so simplified it requires little to no
>>>> pay, why don't they just do it themselves? I am, by no means, implying that
>>>> is the case here. Good/great designers cost money, and I completely
>>>> understand the overwhelming weight of the costs any organization, or
>>>> individual lacking the funds, can be.
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM kris badertscher via Hidden-discuss <
>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a media and communications/graphic designer, I found this *contest*
>>>>> to be incredibly disrespectful to the ever-expanding community of pioneer
>>>>> valley creatives who so often have to go against their better judgement and
>>>>> take work either pro bono (hoping that it leads to paid a gig), for barter,
>>>>> or for slave-wage labor just in order to pay a bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> This cultivated western Massachusetts mentality of bargaining for free
>>>>> or underpaid labor predominates in this region where creative workers are
>>>>> consistently being taken advantage of because so few opportunities present
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether it's photography, video, graphic design, or another skilled
>>>>> creative endeavor, other professionals in the Valley seem to think that
>>>>> these skills require nothing more than just a press of a button. Or maybe
>>>>> they do know and understand that having a subscription to Adobe or
>>>>> Microsoft products or other applications, plus equipment and training in
>>>>> order to make their designs for clients are outrageously expensive and they
>>>>> don't care. Because right, there's always the bounty of students to hire
>>>>> willing to put up with unpaid labor early in their careers.
>>>>>
>>>>> This mindset hurts all of us. We all then have to accept underpaid
>>>>> labor as an exploited community in order to survive, never mind
>>>>> *thrive*. What results is that no one outside the creative community
>>>>> gets a sense of what a project *actually* costs which repeats this
>>>>> unethical cycle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Living in the age of wanting something for (nearly) nothing is doing
>>>>> everyone a disservice and my recommendation is to first research the market
>>>>> and know how much a particular job costs. And please consider the cost- not
>>>>> just of what you are offering in exchange for labor or products, but the
>>>>> cost to all of us who live with the consequences of that mindset.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Kris
>>>>>
>>>>> sustainabilitydesigner.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss <
>>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize that that amounts for barely 4 hours of a reasonable
>>>>>> wage for a graphic artist
>>>>>> and that only goes to the winner -- really doesn't sound in line with
>>>>>> your company name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd hope to see something more, maybe at least a percent of sales
>>>>>> OR just hire an artist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think about it.
>>>>>> On 9/20/2019 6:37 AM, Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a customized
>>>>>> deck of *Connection Cards*, which are used in a program that helps
>>>>>> participants get to know new people, build social connections, and develop
>>>>>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants answer as part of
>>>>>> the program. There will be a $150 prize for the winning design. You
>>>>>> may email jessica at growingwellness.life for entry guidelines. Please
>>>>>> pass along to anyone who may be interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW
>>>>>> www.growingwellness.life
>>>>>> 413-548-4688
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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