From erik at yesexactly.com Wed May 1 00:08:42 2019 From: erik at yesexactly.com (Erik Amlee) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:08:42 -0700 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We also have some clients that have domains or services through GaiaHost, and last contact with them was late 2018 as well. It is a tricky situation - the client would need to prove ownership of the domain to facilitate a transfer to a different registrar, either with access to the domain account to provide a transfer code or listed as an Admin Contact on the WHOIS record. A website at the domain with corroborating business information would not count (as the response from GoDaddy bears out). Yes Exactly provides managed WordPress and Drupal hosting and can facilitate the transfer of the domain, web and mail services. Erik Amlee Principal & CEO _______________________________ Yes Exactly, Inc. | yesexactly.com | 413.325.8251 > On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:44 PM, hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net wrote: > > Send Hidden-discuss mailing list submissions to > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.hidden-tech.net/listinfo/hidden-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > hidden-discuss-owner at lists.hidden-tech.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Hidden-discuss digest..." > > > ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group > ** by filling out the survey/skills > ** inventory in the member's area. > ** Remember you must be counted to post . > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Aaron E-J) > 2. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Rich Roth) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:29:08 -0400 > From: Aaron E-J > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: <221913c2-3d13-4986-132a-c217d3cb68eb at otherrealm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and > other contact info > Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP > Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop > Registrar URL: > Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z > Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z > Registrar: Domains.COOP > Registrar IANA ID: 465 > Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok > Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC > Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Registrant Street: PO Box 622 > Registrant City: Greenfield > Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts > Registrant Postal Code: 01302 > Registrant Country: US > Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 > Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 > Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC > Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Admin Street: PO Box 622 > Admin City: Greenfield > Admin State/Province: Massachusetts > Admin Postal Code: 01302 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 > Admin Fax: +00.0000000 > Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC > Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Tech Street: PO Box 622 > Tech City: Greenfield > Tech State/Province: Massachusetts > Tech Postal Code: 01302 > Tech Country: US > Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 > Tech Fax: +00.0000000 > Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP > DNSSEC: unsigned > Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC > Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Billing Street: PO Box 622 > Billing City: Greenfield > Billing State/Province: Massachusetts > Billing Postal Code: 01302 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 > Billing Fax: +00.0000000 > Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 > URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: > https://www.icann.org/wicf/ >>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< > For more information on Whois status codes, please visit > https://icann.org/epp > IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. > For more information, please visit: > https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois > This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains > information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our > our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any > information presented here for any purpose other than determining > ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in > any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes > to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and > actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently > blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ > Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please > see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN >> rules, they oversee the domain name process, >> not Gaia nor GoDaddy >> >> Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants >> >> Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? >> >> Rich >> >> On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Hello, Hidden-Techies, >>> >>> A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web hosting >>> or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, >>> communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then >>> completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them >>> since January. >>> >>> I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire >>> soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. >>> >>> GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host fair >>> and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court and then >>> call us back." >>> >>> Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another >>> host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's >>> domain name simply stops responding? >>> >>> Thanks - >>> Anne Campbell >>> >>> -- >>> Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com >>> >>> https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:44:11 -0400 > From: Rich Roth > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > same number as on the web site:? Also this lists Charles: > http://gaiahost.coop/about-us/worker-cooperative > > Here is another email for him: Charles at be.coop > > On 4/30/2019 7:29 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and >> other contact info >> Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP >> Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC >> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop >> Registrar URL: >> Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z >> Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z >> Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z >> Registrar: Domains.COOP >> Registrar IANA ID: 465 >> Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok >> Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Registrant Street: PO Box 622 >> Registrant City: Greenfield >> Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts >> Registrant Postal Code: 01302 >> Registrant Country: US >> Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 >> Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Admin Street: PO Box 622 >> Admin City: Greenfield >> Admin State/Province: Massachusetts >> Admin Postal Code: 01302 >> Admin Country: US >> Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Admin Fax: +00.0000000 >> Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Tech Street: PO Box 622 >> Tech City: Greenfield >> Tech State/Province: Massachusetts >> Tech Postal Code: 01302 >> Tech Country: US >> Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Tech Fax: +00.0000000 >> Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP >> DNSSEC: unsigned >> Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Billing Street: PO Box 622 >> Billing City: Greenfield >> Billing State/Province: Massachusetts >> Billing Postal Code: 01302 >> Billing Country: US >> Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Billing Fax: +00.0000000 >> Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop >> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 >> URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: >> https://www.icann.org/wicf/ >>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< >> For more information on Whois status codes, please visit >> https://icann.org/epp >> IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. >> For more information, please visit: >> https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois >> This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains >> information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our >> our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any >> information presented here for any purpose other than determining >> ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in >> any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes >> to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and >> actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently >> blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ >> Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please >> see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. >> Aaron E-J >> The Other Realm LLC >> http://otherrealm.org >> http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) >> On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN >>> rules, they oversee the domain name process, >>> not Gaia nor GoDaddy >>> >>> Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants >>> >>> Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> Hello, Hidden-Techies, >>>> >>>> A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web >>>> hosting or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, >>>> communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then >>>> completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them >>>> since January. >>>> >>>> I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire >>>> soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. >>>> >>>> GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host >>>> fair and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court >>>> and then call us back." >>>> >>>> Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another >>>> host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's >>>> domain name simply stops responding? >>>> >>>> Thanks - >>>> Anne Campbell >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com >>>> >>>> https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 9 > ********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Wed May 1 01:46:10 2019 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:46:10 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I once had a domain held hostage by a web host. This was in the early days of the internet, and I simply bought a new domain and set up my copy of the site. Obviously you give up the traffic, but maybe even if GoDaddy won't re-register the domain to the client, maybe they would put a redirect on it. 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Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) _________________________________________________ On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:08 PM Erik Amlee via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > We also have some clients that have domains or services through GaiaHost, > and last contact with them was late 2018 as well. > > It is a tricky situation - the client would need to prove ownership of the > domain to facilitate a transfer to a different registrar, either with > access to the domain account to provide a transfer code or listed as an > Admin Contact on the WHOIS record. A website at the domain with > corroborating business information would not count (as the response from > GoDaddy bears out). > > Yes Exactly provides managed WordPress and Drupal hosting and can > facilitate the transfer of the domain, web and mail services. > > Erik Amlee > > Principal & CEO > _______________________________ > Yes Exactly, Inc. | yesexactly.com | 413.325.8251 > > On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:44 PM, hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote: > > Send Hidden-discuss mailing list submissions to > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.hidden-tech.net/listinfo/hidden-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > hidden-discuss-owner at lists.hidden-tech.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Hidden-discuss digest..." > > > ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group > ** by filling out the survey/skills > ** inventory in the member's area. > ** Remember you must be counted to post . > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Aaron E-J) > 2. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Rich Roth) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:29:08 -0400 > From: Aaron E-J > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: <221913c2-3d13-4986-132a-c217d3cb68eb at otherrealm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and > other contact info > Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP > Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop > Registrar URL: > Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z > Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z > Registrar: Domains.COOP > Registrar IANA ID: 465 > Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok > Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC > Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Registrant Street: PO Box 622 > Registrant City: Greenfield > Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts > Registrant Postal Code: 01302 > Registrant Country: US > Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 > Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 > Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC > Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Admin Street: PO Box 622 > Admin City: Greenfield > Admin State/Province: Massachusetts > Admin Postal Code: 01302 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 > Admin Fax: +00.0000000 > Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC > Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Tech Street: PO Box 622 > Tech City: Greenfield > Tech State/Province: Massachusetts > Tech Postal Code: 01302 > Tech Country: US > Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 > Tech Fax: +00.0000000 > Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP > DNSSEC: unsigned > Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC > Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Billing Street: PO Box 622 > Billing City: Greenfield > Billing State/Province: Massachusetts > Billing Postal Code: 01302 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 > Billing Fax: +00.0000000 > Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 > URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: > https://www.icann.org/wicf/ > > Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< > > For more information on Whois status codes, please visit > https://icann.org/epp > IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. > For more information, please visit: > https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois > This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains > information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our > our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any > information presented here for any purpose other than determining > ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in > any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes > to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and > actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently > blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ > Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please > see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN > rules, they oversee the domain name process, > not Gaia nor GoDaddy > > Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants > > Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? > > Rich > > On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hello, Hidden-Techies, > > A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web hosting > or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, > communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then > completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them > since January. > > I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire > soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. > > GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host fair > and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court and then > call us back." > > Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another > host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's > domain name simply stops responding? > > Thanks - > Anne Campbell > > -- > Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com > > https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.hidden-tech.net/pipermail/hidden-discuss/attachments/20190430/b6bdfa2c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:44:11 -0400 > From: Rich Roth > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > same number as on the web site:? Also this lists Charles: > http://gaiahost.coop/about-us/worker-cooperative > > Here is another email for him: Charles at be.coop > > On 4/30/2019 7:29 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and > other contact info > Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP > Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop > Registrar URL: > Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z > Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z > Registrar: Domains.COOP > Registrar IANA ID: 465 > Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok > Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC > Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Registrant Street: PO Box 622 > Registrant City: Greenfield > Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts > Registrant Postal Code: 01302 > Registrant Country: US > Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 > Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 > Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC > Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Admin Street: PO Box 622 > Admin City: Greenfield > Admin State/Province: Massachusetts > Admin Postal Code: 01302 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 > Admin Fax: +00.0000000 > Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC > Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Tech Street: PO Box 622 > Tech City: Greenfield > Tech State/Province: Massachusetts > Tech Postal Code: 01302 > Tech Country: US > Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 > Tech Fax: +00.0000000 > Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP > DNSSEC: unsigned > Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC > Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Billing Street: PO Box 622 > Billing City: Greenfield > Billing State/Province: Massachusetts > Billing Postal Code: 01302 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 > Billing Fax: +00.0000000 > Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 > URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: > https://www.icann.org/wicf/ > > Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< > > For more information on Whois status codes, please visit > https://icann.org/epp > IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. > For more information, please visit: > https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois > This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains > information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our > our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any > information presented here for any purpose other than determining > ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in > any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes > to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and > actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently > blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ > Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please > see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN > rules, they oversee the domain name process, > not Gaia nor GoDaddy > > Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants > > Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? > > Rich > > On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hello, Hidden-Techies, > > A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web > hosting or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, > communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then > completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them > since January. > > I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire > soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. > > GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host > fair and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court > and then call us back." > > Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another > host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's > domain name simply stops responding? > > Thanks - > Anne Campbell > > -- > Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com > > https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.hidden-tech.net/pipermail/hidden-discuss/attachments/20190430/6a95c01d/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 9 > ********************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the at otherrealm.org Wed May 1 01:54:16 2019 From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ef9cfa9-a4de-1703-c5ce-57ce42c80386@otherrealm.org> According to State Secretary, they have not been in business since 2013: http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=200948783&SEARCH_TYPE=1 Aaron E-J The Other Realm LLC http://otherrealm.org http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 2019-04-30 8:08 PM, Erik Amlee via Hidden-discuss wrote: > We also have some clients that have domains or services through > GaiaHost, and last contact with them was late 2018 as well.? > > It is a tricky situation - the client would need to prove ownership of > the domain to facilitate a transfer to a different registrar, either > with access to the domain account to provide a transfer code or listed > as an Admin Contact on the WHOIS record. A website at the domain with > corroborating business ?information would not count (as the response > from GoDaddy bears out).? > > Yes Exactly provides managed WordPress and Drupal hosting and can > facilitate the transfer of the domain, web and mail services.? > > Erik Amlee > > Principal & CEO > _______________________________ > Yes Exactly, Inc. |?yesexactly.com ?|?413.325.8251 > >> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:44 PM, >> hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net >> wrote: >> >> Send Hidden-discuss mailing list submissions to >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.hidden-tech.net/listinfo/hidden-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> hidden-discuss-owner at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Hidden-discuss digest..." >> >> >> ??** Be a Good Dobee and help the group >> ??** by filling out the survey/skills >> ??** inventory in the member's area. >> ??** Remember you must be counted to post . >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ??1. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Aaron E-J) >> ??2. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Rich Roth) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:29:08 -0400 >> From: Aaron E-J >> To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? >> Message-ID: <221913c2-3d13-4986-132a-c217d3cb68eb at otherrealm.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and >> other contact info >> Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP >> Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC >> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop >> Registrar URL: >> Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z >> Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z >> Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z >> Registrar: Domains.COOP >> Registrar IANA ID: 465 >> Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok >> Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Registrant Street: PO Box 622 >> Registrant City: Greenfield >> Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts >> Registrant Postal Code: 01302 >> Registrant Country: US >> Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 >> Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Admin Street: PO Box 622 >> Admin City: Greenfield >> Admin State/Province: Massachusetts >> Admin Postal Code: 01302 >> Admin Country: US >> Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Admin Fax: +00.0000000 >> Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Tech Street: PO Box 622 >> Tech City: Greenfield >> Tech State/Province: Massachusetts >> Tech Postal Code: 01302 >> Tech Country: US >> Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Tech Fax: +00.0000000 >> Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP >> Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP >> DNSSEC: unsigned >> Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC >> Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >> Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >> Billing Street: PO Box 622 >> Billing City: Greenfield >> Billing State/Province: Massachusetts >> Billing Postal Code: 01302 >> Billing Country: US >> Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 >> Billing Fax: +00.0000000 >> Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop >> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop >> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 >> URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: >> https://www.icann.org/wicf/ >>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< >> For more information on Whois status codes, please visit >> https://icann.org/epp >> IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. >> For more information, please visit: >> https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois >> This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains >> information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our >> our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any >> information presented here for any purpose other than determining >> ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in >> any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes >> to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and >> actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently >> blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ >> Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please >> see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. >> >> Aaron E-J >> The Other Realm LLC >> http://otherrealm.org >> http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) >> >> On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN >>> rules, they oversee the domain name process, >>> not Gaia nor GoDaddy >>> >>> Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants >>> >>> Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> Hello, Hidden-Techies, >>>> >>>> A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web hosting >>>> or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, >>>> communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then >>>> completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them >>>> since January. >>>> >>>> I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire >>>> soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. >>>> >>>> GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host fair >>>> and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court and then >>>> call us back." >>>> >>>> Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another >>>> host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's >>>> domain name simply stops responding? >>>> >>>> Thanks - >>>> Anne Campbell >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com >>>> >>>> https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>> Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:44:11 -0400 >> From: Rich Roth >> To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> >> same number as on the web site:? Also this lists Charles: >> http://gaiahost.coop/about-us/worker-cooperative >> >> Here is another email for him: Charles at be.coop >> >> On 4/30/2019 7:29 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and >>> other contact info >>> Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP >>> Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC >>> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop >>> Registrar URL: >>> Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z >>> Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z >>> Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z >>> Registrar: Domains.COOP >>> Registrar IANA ID: 465 >>> Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok >>> Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC >>> Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >>> Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >>> Registrant Street: PO Box 622 >>> Registrant City: Greenfield >>> Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts >>> Registrant Postal Code: 01302 >>> Registrant Country: US >>> Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 >>> Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 >>> Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop >>> Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC >>> Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >>> Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >>> Admin Street: PO Box 622 >>> Admin City: Greenfield >>> Admin State/Province: Massachusetts >>> Admin Postal Code: 01302 >>> Admin Country: US >>> Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 >>> Admin Fax: +00.0000000 >>> Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop >>> Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC >>> Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >>> Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >>> Tech Street: PO Box 622 >>> Tech City: Greenfield >>> Tech State/Province: Massachusetts >>> Tech Postal Code: 01302 >>> Tech Country: US >>> Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 >>> Tech Fax: +00.0000000 >>> Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop >>> Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP >>> Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP >>> Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP >>> Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP >>> DNSSEC: unsigned >>> Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC >>> Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill >>> Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC >>> Billing Street: PO Box 622 >>> Billing City: Greenfield >>> Billing State/Province: Massachusetts >>> Billing Postal Code: 01302 >>> Billing Country: US >>> Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 >>> Billing Fax: +00.0000000 >>> Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop >>> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop >>> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 >>> URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: >>> https://www.icann.org/wicf/ >>>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< >>> For more information on Whois status codes, please visit >>> https://icann.org/epp >>> IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. >>> For more information, please visit: >>> https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois >>> This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains >>> information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our >>> our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any >>> information presented here for any purpose other than determining >>> ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in >>> any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes >>> to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and >>> actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently >>> blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ >>> Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, >>> please >>> see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. >>> Aaron E-J >>> The Other Realm LLC >>> http://otherrealm.org >>> http://theotherrealm.org ?(Blog) >>> On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN >>>> rules, they oversee the domain name process, >>>> not Gaia nor GoDaddy >>>> >>>> Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>>>> Hello, Hidden-Techies, >>>>> >>>>> A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web >>>>> hosting or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, >>>>> communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then >>>>> completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them >>>>> since January. >>>>> >>>>> I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire >>>>> soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. >>>>> >>>>> GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host >>>>> fair and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court >>>>> and then call us back." >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another >>>>> host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's >>>>> domain name simply stops responding? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - >>>>> Anne Campbell >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com >>>>> >>>>> https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>>> >>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>>> Discussion list. >>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>> Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >> list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 9 >> ********************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From albelkin at comcast.net Wed May 1 01:55:13 2019 From: albelkin at comcast.net (Allen Belkin) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Hidden-tech] GAIA Host has gone AWOL Message-ID: <788D6B2C-C2FA-4C31-B4B7-53060F466DBB@comcast.net> I just got a bill from them for two domains... Sent from my iPhone From sreed at avacoda.com Wed May 1 13:56:23 2019 From: sreed at avacoda.com (Scott Reed) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:56:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? In-Reply-To: <7ef9cfa9-a4de-1703-c5ce-57ce42c80386@otherrealm.org> References: <7ef9cfa9-a4de-1703-c5ce-57ce42c80386@otherrealm.org> Message-ID: They may still be in business but failed to file their annual reports with the Secretary. - Scott 413 210-0032 On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:11 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > According to State Secretary, they have not been in business since 2013: > http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=200948783&SEARCH_TYPE=1 > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2019-04-30 8:08 PM, Erik Amlee via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > We also have some clients that have domains or services through GaiaHost, > and last contact with them was late 2018 as well. > > It is a tricky situation - the client would need to prove ownership of the > domain to facilitate a transfer to a different registrar, either with > access to the domain account to provide a transfer code or listed as an > Admin Contact on the WHOIS record. A website at the domain with > corroborating business information would not count (as the response from > GoDaddy bears out). > > Yes Exactly provides managed WordPress and Drupal hosting and can > facilitate the transfer of the domain, web and mail services. > > Erik Amlee > > Principal & CEO > _______________________________ > Yes Exactly, Inc. | yesexactly.com | 413.325.8251 > > On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:44 PM, hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote: > > Send Hidden-discuss mailing list submissions to > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.hidden-tech.net/listinfo/hidden-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hidden-discuss-request at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > hidden-discuss-owner at lists.hidden-tech.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Hidden-discuss digest..." > > > ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group > ** by filling out the survey/skills > ** inventory in the member's area. > ** Remember you must be counted to post . > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Aaron E-J) > 2. Re: Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? (Rich Roth) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:29:08 -0400 > From: Aaron E-J > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: <221913c2-3d13-4986-132a-c217d3cb68eb at otherrealm.org> > <221913c2-3d13-4986-132a-c217d3cb68eb at otherrealm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and > other contact info > Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP > Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop > Registrar URL: > Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z > Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z > Registrar: Domains.COOP > Registrar IANA ID: 465 > Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok > Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC > Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Registrant Street: PO Box 622 > Registrant City: Greenfield > Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts > Registrant Postal Code: 01302 > Registrant Country: US > Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 > Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 > Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC > Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Admin Street: PO Box 622 > Admin City: Greenfield > Admin State/Province: Massachusetts > Admin Postal Code: 01302 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 > Admin Fax: +00.0000000 > Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC > Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Tech Street: PO Box 622 > Tech City: Greenfield > Tech State/Province: Massachusetts > Tech Postal Code: 01302 > Tech Country: US > Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 > Tech Fax: +00.0000000 > Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP > DNSSEC: unsigned > Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC > Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Billing Street: PO Box 622 > Billing City: Greenfield > Billing State/Province: Massachusetts > Billing Postal Code: 01302 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 > Billing Fax: +00.0000000 > Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 > URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: > https://www.icann.org/wicf/ > > Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< > > For more information on Whois status codes, please visit > https://icann.org/epp > IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. > For more information, please visit: > https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois > This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains > information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our > our customers. By using this service you are agreeing (1) not to use any > information presented here for any purpose other than determining > ownership of domain names, (2) not to store or reproduce this data in > any way, (3) not to use any high-volume, automated, electronic processes > to obtain data from this service. Abuse of this service is monitored and > actions in contravention of these terms will result in being permanently > blacklisted. All data is (c) CentralNic Ltd https://www.centralnic.com/ > Access to the whois service is rate limited. For more information, please > see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. > > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > > On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN > rules, they oversee the domain name process, > not Gaia nor GoDaddy > > Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants > > Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? > > Rich > > On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hello, Hidden-Techies, > > A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web hosting > or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, > communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then > completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them > since January. > > I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire > soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. > > GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host fair > and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court and then > call us back." > > Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another > host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's > domain name simply stops responding? > > Thanks - > Anne Campbell > > -- > Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com > > https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:44:11 -0400 > From: Rich Roth > To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > same number as on the web site:? Also this lists Charles: > http://gaiahost.coop/about-us/worker-cooperative > > Here is another email for him: Charles at be.coop > > > On 4/30/2019 7:29 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Here is the WhoIs info for gaiahost.coop, it has a phone number and > other contact info > Domain Name: GAIAHOST.COOP > Registry Domain ID: D7883428-CNIC > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domains.coop > Registrar URL: > Updated Date: 2016-07-12T13:59:18.0Z > Creation Date: 2004-08-11T10:22:09.0Z > Registry Expiry Date: 2017-08-11T23:59:59.0Z > Registrar: Domains.COOP > Registrar IANA ID: 465 > Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok > Registry Registrant ID: C70227556-CNIC > Registrant Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Registrant Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Registrant Street: PO Box 622 > Registrant City: Greenfield > Registrant State/Province: Massachusetts > Registrant Postal Code: 01302 > Registrant Country: US > Registrant Phone: +1.8006728060 > Registrant Fax: +00.0000000 > Registrant Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Admin ID: C70227556-CNIC > Admin Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Admin Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Admin Street: PO Box 622 > Admin City: Greenfield > Admin State/Province: Massachusetts > Admin Postal Code: 01302 > Admin Country: US > Admin Phone: +1.8006728060 > Admin Fax: +00.0000000 > Admin Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registry Tech ID: C70227556-CNIC > Tech Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Tech Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Tech Street: PO Box 622 > Tech City: Greenfield > Tech State/Province: Massachusetts > Tech Postal Code: 01302 > Tech Country: US > Tech Phone: +1.8006728060 > Tech Fax: +00.0000000 > Tech Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Name Server: NS1.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS2.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS3.GAIAHOST.COOP > Name Server: NS4.GAIAHOST.COOP > DNSSEC: unsigned > Registry Billing ID: C70227556-CNIC > Billing Name: Charles Strader Sweethill > Billing Organization: Gaia Host Collective, LLC > Billing Street: PO Box 622 > Billing City: Greenfield > Billing State/Province: Massachusetts > Billing Postal Code: 01302 > Billing Country: US > Billing Phone: +1.8006728060 > Billing Fax: +00.0000000 > Billing Email: online at gaiahost.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: violetta at domains.coop > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.1865403136 > URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: > https://www.icann.org/wicf/ > > Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-07-13T06:35:55.0Z <<< > > For more information on Whois status codes, please visit > https://icann.org/epp > IMPORTANT NOTE: The format of WHOIS records changed on March 1, 2017. > For more information, please visit: > https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2016/changes-to-whois > This whois service is provided by CentralNic Ltd and only contains > information pertaining to Internet domain names registered by our > our customers. 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For more information, please > see https://registrar-console.centralnic.com/pub/whois_guidance. > Aaron E-J > The Other Realm LLC > http://otherrealm.org > http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) > On 2019-04-30 7:15 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > GoDaddy is copping out (as usual) -- I'd say check out the ICANN > rules, they oversee the domain name process, > not Gaia nor GoDaddy > > Look here: https://www.icann.org/registrants > > Does anyone have any leads on the Gaia Host people ?? > > Rich > > On 4/30/2019 4:41 PM, Anne Campbell via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hello, Hidden-Techies, > > A few of my clients have worked with Gaia Host for either Web > hosting or domain name registration or both. In the last six months, > communication from Gaia Host has slowed to a trickle and then > completely stopped. I haven't found anyone who's heard from them > since January. > > I now have several clients whose domain names are going to expire > soon, but they're registered through Gaia Host's GoDaddy account. > > GoDaddy just says, "The domain names are registered to Gaia Host > fair and square, so there's nothing we can do. Take them to court > and then call us back." > > Has anyone been in this situation, either with Gaia Host or another > host/registrar? What do you do when the owner of your business's > domain name simply stops responding? > > Thanks - > Anne Campbell > > -- > Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com > > https://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page:http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 174, Issue 9 > ********************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkuttner at nesea.org Wed May 1 16:21:16 2019 From: lkuttner at nesea.org (Larry Kuttner) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 12:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Gaia Host has gone AWOL; any advice? Message-ID: <002c01d50039$e7eafa90$b7c0efb0$@nesea.org> Gaia Host stopped responding to our calls and emails last Fall. We were able, after following a process, to gain control of our domain which was registered through Wild West Domains, which appears to be a Go Daddy subsidiary. They had me fill out an online form, after which they sent emails to Gaia Host. After they did not respond within two weeks, I had to send proof of ID in the form of a picture of me holding my driver's license. They then allowed me to renew our domain directly and recreate our DNS profile on their server (GAIA Host had set-up it on some third-party server at electricembers.coop). Seven months later, we are still getting automated renewal notices from Gaia Host, which seems to be a virtual ghost ship at this point. I would keep calling Go Daddy back until you talk to the right person who handles this correctly. ----- Larry Kuttner Information Technology Manager Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) 50 Miles Street Greenfield, MA 01301 413.774.6051 ext. 12 . lkuttner at nesea.org www.nesea.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stacy at swampdancer.com Wed May 1 17:05:25 2019 From: stacy at swampdancer.com (Stacy Kontrabecki) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 13:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] bookkeeper Message-ID: <4d4d5455-a7b5-3b44-466c-55b7d7956492@swampdancer.com> My husband runs Uptight Insulators. I can no longer do his books. Too much stress/friction. I am shopping for someone to take over his simple bookkeeping.? It will take an assertive individual to get him on task. We are in Shelburne Falls. Thank you. -- Stacy Kontrabecki, MBA Swampdancer Resources Certification Systems Consultant www.swampdancer.com +1 (413) 625-9203 office +1 (413) 834-3423 mobile From ira at fambizpv.com Thu May 2 23:37:05 2019 From: ira at fambizpv.com (Ira Bryck) Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 23:37:05 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] drop box and google drive/ file stream filling up MacBook air storage Message-ID: <2D6D1368-3EE6-447D-8621-441B4F77616A@fambizpv.com> I use dropbox (subscribe to 1tb) and google drive (now called file stream; unlimited storage, as a UMass employee/retired) and don?t understand if it?s so that all those files online are backed up on my laptop, by default, which then fills up my storage on the laptop, when what I meant to do was keep all that online and NOT fill up my computer Is there a way to turn off, in each of those, the laptop storage and just have it online? Thanks Ira Bryck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's for Dropbox On 5/2/2019 7:37 PM, Ira Bryck via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > *I use dropbox (subscribe to 1tb) and google drive (now called file > stream; unlimited storage, as a UMass employee/retired) and don?t > understand if it?s so that all those files online are backed up on my > laptop, by default, which then fills up my storage on the laptop, when > what I meant to do was keep all that online and NOT fill up my computer* > > ** > > *Is there a way to turn off, in each of those, the laptop storage and > just have it online?* > > ** > > *Thanks* > > ** > > *Ira Bryck* > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money 413-584-6500 rob at 2disc.com www.2disc.com NOTE: Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call. ________________________________ From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of GLP via Hidden-discuss Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:30 PM To: Discussion List Subject: [Hidden-tech] IT / Email support in Greenfield A client in Greenfield will be moving about a dozen email accounts to a new provider, and I would like to recommend an IT company that will provide hands-on support to them for the migration. Love to know HT?s recommendations! Thanks, Greg glp at gregperham.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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URL: From kiernan at greenearthpc.us Sat May 4 15:13:33 2019 From: kiernan at greenearthpc.us (Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] IT / Email support in Greenfield In-Reply-To: <2F0D1D01-B3DE-41F4-9D74-C63B588CC49D@gregperham.com> References: <2F0D1D01-B3DE-41F4-9D74-C63B588CC49D@gregperham.com> Message-ID: Our usual onsite tech Greg Schwartz does this sort of work regularly. We would be happy to help and have a pretty flexible schedule. Let us know if we can be of assistance. Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill Green Earth Computers - Computer & Smartphone Repair 20a Crafts Ave Northampton, MA 01060 www.greenearthpc.us 413-282-8324 ----------------------- See what people are saying -- Check us out on Yelp: http://bit.ly/GEPCYELP On Fri, May 3, 2019, 3:44 PM GLP via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > A client in Greenfield will be moving about a dozen email accounts to a > new provider, and I would like to recommend an IT company that will provide > hands-on support to them for the migration. Love to know HT?s > recommendations! > > Thanks, > Greg > > glp at gregperham.com > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dstevens at tryandfindit.com Sat May 4 17:39:16 2019 From: dstevens at tryandfindit.com (Donald M Stevens) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 17:39:16 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] IT / Email support in Greenfield In-Reply-To: References: <2F0D1D01-B3DE-41F4-9D74-C63B588CC49D@gregperham.com>, Message-ID: Good afternoon Greg, I have done this sort of thing for many clients and am available to discuss the details when you have a moment. Don TFI technologies (413) 308-4511 Get Outlook for Android From: Hidden-discuss on behalf of Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill via Hidden-discuss Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:13:33 PM To: GLP Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] IT / Email support in Greenfield Our usual onsite tech Greg Schwartz does this sort of work regularly. We would be happy to help and have a pretty flexible schedule. Let us know if we can be of assistance. Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill Green Earth Computers - Computer & Smartphone Repair 20a Crafts Ave Northampton, MA 01060 www.greenearthpc.us 413-282-8324 ----------------------- See what people are saying -- Check us out on Yelp: http://bit.ly/GEPCYELP On Fri, May 3, 2019, 3:44 PM GLP via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: A client in Greenfield will be moving about a dozen email accounts to a new provider, and I would like to recommend an IT company that will provide hands-on support to them for the migration. Love to know HT?s recommendations! Thanks, Greg glp at gregperham.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debchandler411 at gmail.com Mon May 6 16:00:15 2019 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 12:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * What's happening with www.anywho.com? * * * Message-ID: Hi there, Does anyone know what is happening with that site? I am getting an unsecure connection, and this message on my screen: Your connection is not private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.anywho.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID I've been using that site for so long, this is the first time I've had this happen. And if that site is down, what is another good site for looking up a phone number or do a reverse look up for an address? (I don't need the person's DOB, criminal history, next of kin, etc, LOL...just a phone number and sometimes an address. Thanks, Deb PS: Remember the days when we had a big fat phone book to look up someone's phone number? And you had to order separate phone books for different parts of the country? I used to have a whole bookshelf of phone books...And that was only within the last 25 years. Heck, I used to design ads for clients for the yellow pages... From eli at egwynn.com Mon May 6 17:09:31 2019 From: eli at egwynn.com (Elijah Gwynn) Date: Mon, 06 May 2019 13:09:31 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * What's happening with www.anywho.com? * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Deborah, I can't speak to the question off alternatives. However, for the site in question, their certificate (which enables the secure connect) has expired (on May 3). They either forgot to get a new one from their certificate authority (DigiCert) or they got one and forgot to install it. Eli On 6 May 2019, at 12:00, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi there, > > Does anyone know what is happening with that site? > > I am getting an unsecure connection, and this message on my screen: > > Your connection is not private > Attackers might be trying to steal your information from > www.anywho.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). > Learn more > NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID > > > I've been using that site for so long, this is the first time I've had > this happen. And if that site is down, what is another good site for > looking up a phone number or do a reverse look up for an address? (I > don't need the person's DOB, criminal history, next of kin, etc, > LOL...just a phone number and sometimes an address. > > Thanks, > Deb > > PS: Remember the days when we had a big fat phone book to look up > someone's phone number? And you had to order separate phone books for > different parts of the country? I used to have a whole bookshelf of > phone books...And that was only within the last 25 years. Heck, I used > to design ads for clients for the yellow pages... > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu Mon May 6 18:02:35 2019 From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 14:02:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer Message-ID: Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to writing lots of DVDs without burning out? I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) on my grandfather (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was about to head out to China for a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my latest project with 23 of his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took the usual length of time to burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, took a long time and summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went through 4 DVDs with the same result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had been pulling from for quite a while with no problems. At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for well over 12 hours. All told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something like 50-60 DVDs. Previously, I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. (i.e. bought a new drive and then had it burn out.) I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with an Apple USB Superdrive. Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they bought the drive, it hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; or something like that. They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything about non-stop burning sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this question of a "genius" at the Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He suggested that perhaps I should buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He said Sony made some pretty good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple drive has, but would be half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean time to failure under continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more durable, internals. -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ ---- Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 From glp at gregperham.com Mon May 6 20:31:23 2019 From: glp at gregperham.com (GLP) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 16:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Update on Gaia Host In-Reply-To: <000301d50214$0dca2250$295e66f0$@comcast.net> References: <000301d50214$0dca2250$295e66f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <417BC9BF-4A7D-44C7-AECC-1CC4990DBEEA@gregperham.com> I submitted a ticket this morning asking for more information. I?ll reply to this discussion when I get a response. Greg > On May 3, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Allen Belkin via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Thanks for the update. I wasn?t able to find any information about BeCooperative, the default host to take over Gaia accounts. Nothing came up on an internet search. Does anyone know anything about them? > > -- Allen > > Allen Belkin > Custom Software Solutions > PO Box 60144, Florence, MA 01062 > E-mail: albelkin at comcast.net > Phone: (413) 552-9080 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomadams at gmail.com Mon May 6 19:38:29 2019 From: tomadams at gmail.com (Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 15:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly recommend NOT using them. They are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to discuss further... *Regards,* *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* *Reelife Documentary Productions ? **Folktography by Tom* *? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 *(413) 575-9707* * ? Williamsburg, MA* On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to > writing lots of DVDs > without burning out? > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > on my grandfather (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was > about to head out to China for > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my > latest project with 23 of > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took > the usual length of time to > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, > took a long time and > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went > through 4 DVDs with the same > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had > been pulling from for quite a > while with no problems. > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for > well over 12 hours. All > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something > like 50-60 DVDs. Previously, > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. > (i.e. bought a new drive and > then had it burn out.) > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with > an Apple USB Superdrive. > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they > bought the drive, it > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; > or something like that. > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything > about non-stop burning > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > question of a "genius" at the > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > suggested that perhaps I should > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He > said Sony made some pretty > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple > drive has, but would be > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean > time to failure under > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more > durable, internals. > > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu Mon May 6 19:49:48 2019 From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 15:49:48 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> I'm open to suggestions. I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have it in a book like case that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book shelf in a library and be uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively "universally" accessible. On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly recommend NOT using them. They > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to discuss further... > > > > *Regards,* > * > * > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > *Reelife Documentary Productions ?? **Folktography by Tom* > > /? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > /(413) 575-9707// > ?? Williamsburg, MA > / > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to writing lots of DVDs > without burning out? > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) on my > grandfather (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was about to head out to > China for > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my latest project with > 23 of > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took the usual length of > time to > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, took a long time and > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went through 4 DVDs with the > same > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had been pulling from for > quite a > while with no problems. > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for well over 12 hours. All > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something like 50-60 DVDs. > Previously, > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. (i.e. bought a new > drive and > then had it burn out.) > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they bought the drive, it > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; or something like that. > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything about non-stop burning > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this question of a "genius" at > the > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He suggested that perhaps I should > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He said Sony made some > pretty > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple drive has, but would be > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean time to failure under > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more durable, internals. > > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > ? ? O__? ---- Systems Administrator > ? ?c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > ? (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ ---- Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 From dmaterialized at gmail.com Mon May 6 19:58:36 2019 From: dmaterialized at gmail.com (DM Cook) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 13:58:36 -0600 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My experience has been that matshita (Panasonic) drives have the best longevity unrelated to continual burn time, but that drives made by Sony have the best reliability for continual burning without failure. No device is flawless, however, and this info is gathered from 12 or so years of experience ending in 2015. It?s entirely possible that it?s no longer accurate. I would avoid any product produced or packaged by HP, as a rule. On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to > writing lots of DVDs > without burning out? > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > on my grandfather (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was > about to head out to China for > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my > latest project with 23 of > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took > the usual length of time to > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, > took a long time and > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went > through 4 DVDs with the same > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had > been pulling from for quite a > while with no problems. > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for > well over 12 hours. All > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something > like 50-60 DVDs. Previously, > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. > (i.e. bought a new drive and > then had it burn out.) > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with > an Apple USB Superdrive. > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they > bought the drive, it > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; > or something like that. > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything > about non-stop burning > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > question of a "genius" at the > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > suggested that perhaps I should > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He > said Sony made some pretty > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple > drive has, but would be > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean > time to failure under > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more > durable, internals. > > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- DM Cook Instructional Designer & Technical Writer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Mon May 6 20:27:17 2019 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 16:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190506202718.D67A526C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> At Mon, 6 May 2019 14:02:35 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to writing lots of DVDs > without burning out? > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) on my grandfather (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was about to head out to China for > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my latest project with 23 of > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took the usual length of time to > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, took a long time and > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went through 4 DVDs with the same > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had been pulling from for quite a > while with no problems. > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for well over 12 hours. All > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something like 50-60 DVDs. Previously, > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. (i.e. bought a new drive and > then had it burn out.) > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with an Apple USB Superdrive. I've had NO such trouble with an *internal* SATA drive in a "PC" tower. I have no idea how many DVDs I have burned (hundreds and hundreds possibly pushing towards 1000). This is what info I have on it: Vendor: Optiarc Model: DVD RW AD-7241S Rev: 1.01 The *only* issue I am having with it is the tray eject motor seems to be wearing out. > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they bought the drive, it > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; or something like that. > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything about non-stop burning > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this question of a "genius" at the > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He suggested that perhaps I should > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He said Sony made some pretty > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple drive has, but would be > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean time to failure under > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more durable, internals. > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From tomadams at gmail.com Mon May 6 20:28:01 2019 From: tomadams at gmail.com (Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> Message-ID: Chris, "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf. and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... *Regards,* *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* *Reelife Documentary Productions ? **Folktography by Tom* *? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 *(413) 575-9707* * ? Williamsburg, MA* On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > I'm open to suggestions. > > I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have > it in a book like case > that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book > shelf in a library and be > uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively > "universally" accessible. > > > On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly > recommend NOT using them. They > > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to > discuss further... > > > > > > > > *Regards,* > > * > > * > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > > *Reelife Documentary Productions ? > **Folktography by Tom* > > > > /? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > > ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > > /(413) 575-9707// > > ? Williamsburg, MA > > / > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with > respect to writing lots of DVDs > > without burning out? > > > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, > e.g., > > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > on my > > grandfather (see > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I > was about to head out to > > China for > > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs > of my latest project with > > 23 of > > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive > took the usual length of > > time to > > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification > scan, took a long time and > > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I > went through 4 DVDs with the > > same > > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I > had been pulling from for > > quite a > > while with no problems. > > > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop > for well over 12 hours. All > > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned > something like 50-60 DVDs. > > Previously, > > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the > third. (i.e. bought a new > > drive and > > then had it burn out.) > > > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, > with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell > you they bought the drive, it > > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built > solidly; or something like that. > > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say > anything about non-stop burning > > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > question of a "genius" at > > the > > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > suggested that perhaps I should > > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. > He said Sony made some > > pretty > > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the > Apple drive has, but would be > > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports > "mean time to failure under > > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, > more durable, internals. > > > > > > -- > > --------------- > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > - > > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > Erd?s 4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Mon May 6 23:29:00 2019 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 19:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> Message-ID: <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > > > Chris, > > "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest > thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video > files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf. > and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow > for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always store well (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards and USB thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > > > > > *Regards,* > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? > **Folktography > by Tom* > *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > *(413) 575-9707* > * ??? Williamsburg, MA* > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk > wrote: > > > I'm open to suggestions. > > > > I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have > > it in a book like case > > that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book > > shelf in a library and be > > uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively > > "universally" accessible. > > > > > > On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly > > recommend NOT using them. They > > > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to > > discuss further... > > > > > > > > > > > > *Regards,* > > > * > > > * > > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > > > *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? > > **Folktography by Tom* > > > > > > /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > > > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > > > /(413) 575-9707// > > > ??? Williamsburg, MA > > > / > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > > > > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with > > respect to writing lots of DVDs > > > without burning out? > > > > > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, > > e.g., > > > > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > > on my > > > grandfather (see > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I > > was about to head out to > > > China for > > > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs > > of my latest project with > > > 23 of > > > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive > > took the usual length of > > > time to > > > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification > > scan, took a long time and > > > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I > > went through 4 DVDs with the > > > same > > > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I > > had been pulling from for > > > quite a > > > while with no problems. > > > > > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop > > for well over 12 hours. All > > > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned > > something like 50-60 DVDs. > > > Previously, > > > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > > > > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the > > third. (i.e. bought a new > > > drive and > > > then had it burn out.) > > > > > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, > > with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > > > > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell > > you they bought the drive, it > > > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built > > solidly; or something like that. > > > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say > > anything about non-stop burning > > > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > > question of a "genius" at > > > the > > > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > > suggested that perhaps I should > > > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. > > He said Sony made some > > > pretty > > > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the > > Apple drive has, but would be > > > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports > > "mean time to failure under > > > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, > > more durable, internals. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------- > > > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > > > - > > > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > > > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > Erd??s 4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > > > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > > list. > > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > > -- > > --------------- > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > - > > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > Erd??s 4 > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From heller at deepsoft.com Mon May 6 23:29:00 2019 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 19:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> Message-ID: <20190506232901.DDB4026C0015@sharky3.deepsoft.com> At Mon, 6 May 2019 15:49:48 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > I'm open to suggestions. > > I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have it in a book like case > that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book shelf in a library and be > uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively "universally" accessible. Most *new* Laptops are without optical drives (but do have USB ports). Smartphones and tablets don't have optical drives (but do have USB ports). Thumb drives come in a wide range of physical forms. Including something the size and shape of a credit card (which can have printing on it). > > > On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly recommend NOT using them. They > > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to discuss further... > > > > > > > > *Regards,* > > * > > * > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > > *Reelife Documentary Productions ????? **Folktography by Tom* > > > > /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > > /(413) 575-9707// > > ????? Williamsburg, MA > > / > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > > > wrote: > > > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to writing lots of DVDs > > without burning out? > > > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) on my > > grandfather (see > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was about to head out to > > China for > > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my latest project with > > 23 of > > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took the usual length of > > time to > > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, took a long time and > > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went through 4 DVDs with the > > same > > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had been pulling from for > > quite a > > while with no problems. > > > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for well over 12 hours. All > > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something like 50-60 DVDs. > > Previously, > > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. (i.e. bought a new > > drive and > > then had it burn out.) > > > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they bought the drive, it > > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; or something like that. > > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything about non-stop burning > > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this question of a "genius" at > > the > > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He suggested that perhaps I should > > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He said Sony made some > > pretty > > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple drive has, but would be > > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean time to failure under > > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more durable, internals. > > > > > > -- > > --------------- > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > - > > ?? ?? O__?? ---- Systems Administrator > > ?? ??c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > ?? (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > Erd??s 4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu Tue May 7 11:27:41 2019 From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm just thinking of my own backups and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. However, if I'm talking about producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to extended family members (descendants of D.C.Graham ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it shoots way way out of my price range. On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > >> >> >> Chris, >> >> "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest >> thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video >> files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf. >> and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow >> for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... > "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always store well > (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards and USB > thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > >> >> >> >> *Regards,* >> >> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >> *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? >> **Folktography >> by Tom* >> *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * >> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 >> *(413) 575-9707* >> * ??? Williamsburg, MA* >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk >> wrote: >> >>> I'm open to suggestions. >>> >>> I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have >>> it in a book like case >>> that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book >>> shelf in a library and be >>> uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively >>> "universally" accessible. >>> >>> >>> On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: >>>> Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly >>> recommend NOT using them. They >>>> are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to >>> discuss further... >>>> >>>> >>>> *Regards,* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? >>> **Folktography by Tom* >>>> >>>> /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / >>>> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 >>>> /(413) 575-9707// >>>> ??? Williamsburg, MA >>>> / >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss >>>> >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: >>>> Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with >>> respect to writing lots of DVDs >>>> without burning out? >>>> >>>> I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, >>> e.g., >>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) >>> on my >>>> grandfather (see >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I >>> was about to head out to >>>> China for >>>> a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs >>> of my latest project with >>>> 23 of >>>> his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive >>> took the usual length of >>>> time to >>>> burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification >>> scan, took a long time and >>>> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I >>> went through 4 DVDs with the >>>> same >>>> result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I >>> had been pulling from for >>>> quite a >>>> while with no problems. >>>> >>>> At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop >>> for well over 12 hours. All >>>> told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned >>> something like 50-60 DVDs. >>>> Previously, >>>> I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. >>>> >>>> This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the >>> third. (i.e. bought a new >>>> drive and >>>> then had it burn out.) >>>> >>>> I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, >>> with an Apple USB Superdrive. >>>> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell >>> you they bought the drive, it >>>> hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built >>> solidly; or something like that. >>>> They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say >>> anything about non-stop burning >>>> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this >>> question of a "genius" at >>>> the >>>> Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He >>> suggested that perhaps I should >>>> buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. >>> He said Sony made some >>>> pretty >>>> good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the >>> Apple drive has, but would be >>>> half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports >>> "mean time to failure under >>>> continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, >>> more durable, internals. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> Chris Hoogendyk >>>> >>>> - >>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> Erd??s 4 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> >>> -- >>> --------------- >>> >>> Chris Hoogendyk >>> >>> - >>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------- >>> >>> Erd??s 4 >>> >>> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ ---- Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 From heller at deepsoft.com Tue May 7 12:22:01 2019 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 08:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> Message-ID: <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm just thinking of my own backups > and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. However, if I'm talking about > producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to extended family members > (descendants of D.C.Graham ??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it shoots > way way out of my price range. *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy range are about as cheap as DVDs. > > > On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest > >> thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video > >> files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf. > >> and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow > >> for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... > > "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always store well > > (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards and USB > > thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,* > >> > >> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > >> *Reelife Documentary Productions ??????? > >> **Folktography > >> by Tom* > >> *??????? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * > >> ??????? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > >> *(413) 575-9707* > >> * ??????? Williamsburg, MA* > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm open to suggestions. > >>> > >>> I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have > >>> it in a book like case > >>> that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book > >>> shelf in a library and be > >>> uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively > >>> "universally" accessible. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > >>>> Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly > >>> recommend NOT using them. They > >>>> are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to > >>> discuss further... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *Regards,* > >>>> * > >>>> * > >>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > >>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions ??????? > >>> **Folktography by Tom* > >>>> > >>>> /??????? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > >>>> ??????? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > >>>> /(413) 575-9707// > >>>> ??????? Williamsburg, MA > >>>> / > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > >>>> >>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > >>>> Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with > >>> respect to writing lots of DVDs > >>>> without burning out? > >>>> > >>>> I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, > >>> e.g., > >>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > >>> on my > >>>> grandfather (see > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I > >>> was about to head out to > >>>> China for > >>>> a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs > >>> of my latest project with > >>>> 23 of > >>>> his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive > >>> took the usual length of > >>>> time to > >>>> burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification > >>> scan, took a long time and > >>>> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I > >>> went through 4 DVDs with the > >>>> same > >>>> result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I > >>> had been pulling from for > >>>> quite a > >>>> while with no problems. > >>>> > >>>> At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop > >>> for well over 12 hours. All > >>>> told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned > >>> something like 50-60 DVDs. > >>>> Previously, > >>>> I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > >>>> > >>>> This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the > >>> third. (i.e. bought a new > >>>> drive and > >>>> then had it burn out.) > >>>> > >>>> I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, > >>> with an Apple USB Superdrive. > >>>> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell > >>> you they bought the drive, it > >>>> hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built > >>> solidly; or something like that. > >>>> They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say > >>> anything about non-stop burning > >>>> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > >>> question of a "genius" at > >>>> the > >>>> Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > >>> suggested that perhaps I should > >>>> buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. > >>> He said Sony made some > >>>> pretty > >>>> good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the > >>> Apple drive has, but would be > >>>> half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports > >>> "mean time to failure under > >>>> continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, > >>> more durable, internals. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> --------------- > >>>> > >>>> Chris Hoogendyk > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator > >>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > >>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> --------------- > >>>> > >>>> Erd????s 4 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > >>> list. > >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> --------------- > >>> > >>> Chris Hoogendyk > >>> > >>> - > >>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator > >>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > >>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------- > >>> > >>> Erd????s 4 > >>> > >>> > >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > >> > >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > >> > >> > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From eli at egwynn.com Tue May 7 13:17:43 2019 From: eli at egwynn.com (Elijah Gwynn) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 09:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > range are > about as cheap as DVDs. Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as cheap", but I'd love to know where you're sourcing your thumb drives. On Amazon I see blank 4.7GB DVDs for around $0.25 / disk ~= $0.053 / GB. Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives for $125 ~= $2.50 / drive or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about 6x as expensive on a COGS basis unless I'm missing something. FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. Just about everything about the process will be simpler and faster. Eli On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk > wrote: > >> >> Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm >> just thinking of my own backups >> and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. >> However, if I'm talking about >> producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to >> extended family members >> (descendants of D.C.Graham ? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it shoots >> way way out of my price range. > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > range are > about as cheap as DVDs. > >> >> >> On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >>> At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & >>> Folktography wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would >>>> suggest >>>> thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put >>>> the video >>>> files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a >>>> shelf. >>>> and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would >>>> allow >>>> for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... >>> "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always >>> store well >>> (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards >>> and USB >>> thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Regards,* >>>> >>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions >>>> ??? >>>> **Folktography >>>> by Tom* >>>> *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * >>>> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 >>>> *(413) 575-9707* >>>> * ??? Williamsburg, MA* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm open to suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> I want something that I can put an informative label on the media >>>>> and have >>>>> it in a book like case >>>>> that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a >>>>> book >>>>> shelf in a library and be >>>>> uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively >>>>> "universally" accessible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly >>>>> recommend NOT using them. They >>>>>> are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to >>>>> discuss further... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Regards,* >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >>>>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions >>>>>> ??? >>>>> **Folktography by Tom* >>>>>> >>>>>> /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / >>>>>> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since >>>>>> 1996 >>>>>> /(413) 575-9707// >>>>>> ??? Williamsburg, MA >>>>>> / >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss >>>>>> >>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: >>>>>> Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives >>>>>> with >>>>> respect to writing lots of DVDs >>>>>> without burning out? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source >>>>>> material (see, >>>>> e.g., >>>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) >>>>> on my >>>>>> grandfather (see >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In >>>>>> March, I >>>>> was about to head out to >>>>>> China for >>>>>> a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter >>>>>> producing DVDs >>>>> of my latest project with >>>>>> 23 of >>>>>> his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my >>>>>> DVD drive >>>>> took the usual length of >>>>>> time to >>>>>> burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the >>>>>> verification >>>>> scan, took a long time and >>>>>> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify >>>>>> it. I >>>>> went through 4 DVDs with the >>>>>> same >>>>>> result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs >>>>>> that I >>>>> had been pulling from for >>>>>> quite a >>>>>> while with no problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs >>>>>> non-stop >>>>> for well over 12 hours. All >>>>>> told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned >>>>> something like 50-60 DVDs. >>>>>> Previously, >>>>>> I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe >>>>>> the >>>>> third. (i.e. bought a new >>>>>> drive and >>>>>> then had it burn out.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS >>>>>> Mojave, >>>>> with an Apple USB Superdrive. >>>>>> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically >>>>>> tell >>>>> you they bought the drive, it >>>>>> hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is >>>>>> built >>>>> solidly; or something like that. >>>>>> They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't >>>>>> say >>>>> anything about non-stop burning >>>>>> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I >>>>>> asked this >>>>> question of a "genius" at >>>>>> the >>>>>> Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an >>>>>> answer. He >>>>> suggested that perhaps I should >>>>>> buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be >>>>>> the same. >>>>> He said Sony made some >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. >>>>>> that the >>>>> Apple drive has, but would be >>>>>> half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer >>>>>> Reports >>>>> "mean time to failure under >>>>>> continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with >>>>>> different, >>>>> more durable, internals. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> --------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Hoogendyk >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >>>>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >>>>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Erd??s 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >>>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>>>> Discussion >>>>> list. >>>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>>>>> Members >>>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> --------------- >>>>> >>>>> Chris Hoogendyk >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >>>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >>>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------- >>>>> >>>>> Erd??s 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >>>> Discussion list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >>>> Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> >>>> >> > > -- > Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveunkles at yahoo.com Tue May 7 17:11:04 2019 From: steveunkles at yahoo.com (Steve Unkles) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 17:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <671932112.2724921.1557249064023@mail.yahoo.com> Good suggestions here, but if you stick with the DVD medium--and it does have some practical advantages--you might check out this company:http://www.acronova.com/solution.htmlI've used their duplication systems for many years.Ask for Cal, though it's such a small company I think it's just him and overseas providers who build to his specs. Steve Unkles, Production Manager ??? Audio-Visual Archives ?Media Production and Preservation ???? www.MakeHistory.tv On Monday, May 6, 2019, 3:24:08 PM EDT, Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss wrote: Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with respect to writing lots of DVDs without burning out? I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, e.g., https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) on my grandfather (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I was about to head out to China for a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs of my latest project with 23 of his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive took the usual length of time to burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification scan, took a long time and summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I went through 4 DVDs with the same result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I had been pulling from for quite a while with no problems. At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop for well over 12 hours. All told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned something like 50-60 DVDs. Previously, I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the third. (i.e. bought a new drive and then had it burn out.) I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, with an Apple USB Superdrive. Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell you they bought the drive, it hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built solidly; or something like that. They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say anything about non-stop burning sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this question of a "genius" at the Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He suggested that perhaps I should buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. He said Sony made some pretty good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the Apple drive has, but would be half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports "mean time to failure under continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, more durable, internals. -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - ? ? O__? ---- Systems Administrator ? c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments ? (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu Tue May 7 17:57:08 2019 From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 13:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> Message-ID: Totally not off topic. Cost is an issue. Quality is also an issue. I don't want to simply choose the cheapest solution, but I do need to look at cost to some degree. Robert Heller also mentioned USB Memory sticks that are the size and shape of a credit card. That would allow for some artwork, titling, and sentence or two about the contents. If there were a case for that to snap into that would be on the order of 5x7 to take front and back cover design, then it might work, depending on cost. I'd attach an example, but that won't fly in hidden-tech world. If you are on Facebook, my posts are public. There are a bunch of posts in April on my China trip, and one of them is about the DVD production and includes pictures of them. An added question that comes up then is write protection. You don't really want a published piece of work to be easily and multiply modified (or infected) by everyone who happens to mount it on their computer. On 5/7/19 9:17 AM, Elijah Gwynn wrote: > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy range are > about as cheap as DVDs. > > Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as cheap", but I'd love to know > where you're sourcing your thumb drives. On Amazon I see blank 4.7GB DVDs for around $0.25 / disk > ~= $0.053 / GB. Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives for $125 ~= $2.50 / drive > or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about 6x as expensive on a COGS basis unless I'm > missing something. > > FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. Just about everything about the > process will be simpler and faster. > > Eli > > On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm just thinking of my > own backups > and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. However, if I'm talking > about > producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to extended family members > (descendants of D.C.Graham ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it > shoots > way way out of my price range. > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy range are > about as cheap as DVDs. > > On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography > wrote: > > Chris, > > "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would suggest > thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put the video > files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a shelf. > and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would allow > for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... > > "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always store well > (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards and USB > thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > > *Regards,* > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? > **Folktography > by Tom* > *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > *(413) 575-9707* > * ??? Williamsburg, MA* > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk > wrote: > > I'm open to suggestions. > > I want something that I can put an informative label on the media and have > it in a book like case > that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a book > shelf in a library and be > uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively > "universally" accessible. > > > On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography wrote: > > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly > > recommend NOT using them. They > > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to > > discuss further... > > *Regards,* > * > * > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > *Reelife Documentary Productions ??? > > **Folktography by Tom* > > > /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > /(413) 575-9707// > ??? Williamsburg, MA > / > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives with > > respect to writing lots of DVDs > > without burning out? > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source material (see, > > e.g., > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > on my > > grandfather (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I > > was about to head out to > > China for > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter producing DVDs > > of my latest project with > > 23 of > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my DVD drive > > took the usual length of > > time to > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the verification > > scan, took a long time and > > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify it. I > > went through 4 DVDs with the > > same > result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs that I > > had been pulling from for > > quite a > while with no problems. > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs non-stop > > for well over 12 hours. All > > told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned > > something like 50-60 DVDs. > > Previously, > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe the > > third. (i.e. bought a new > > drive and > then had it burn out.) > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS Mojave, > > with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically tell > > you they bought the drive, it > > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is built > > solidly; or something like that. > > They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't say > > anything about non-stop burning > > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I asked this > > question of a "genius" at > > the > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an answer. He > > suggested that perhaps I should > > buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be the same. > > He said Sony made some > > pretty > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. that the > > Apple drive has, but would be > > half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer Reports > > "mean time to failure under > > continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with different, > > more durable, internals. > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > --------------- > > Erd??s 4 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd??s 4 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ ---- Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 From tomadams at gmail.com Tue May 7 18:06:24 2019 From: tomadams at gmail.com (Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 14:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> Message-ID: Wow, just taking a quick peek at your fb page and the project and the history of it all. Very interesting. So great to see all that has been documented at presented. Very cool and noble of you to take on such a project. *Regards,* *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* *Reelife Documentary Productions ? **Folktography by Tom* *? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * ? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 *(413) 575-9707* * ? Williamsburg, MA* On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 1:57 PM Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > Totally not off topic. Cost is an issue. Quality is also an issue. I don't > want to simply choose the > cheapest solution, but I do need to look at cost to some degree. > > Robert Heller also mentioned USB Memory sticks that are the size and shape > of a credit card. That > would allow for some artwork, titling, and sentence or two about the > contents. If there were a case > for that to snap into that would be on the order of 5x7 to take front and > back cover design, then it > might work, depending on cost. I'd attach an example, but that won't fly > in hidden-tech world. If > you are on Facebook, my posts are public. There are a bunch of posts in > April on my China trip, and > one of them is about the DVD production and includes pictures of them. > > An added question that comes up then is write protection. You don't really > want a published piece of > work to be easily and multiply modified (or infected) by everyone who > happens to mount it on their > computer. > > > On 5/7/19 9:17 AM, Elijah Gwynn wrote: > > > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > range are > > about as cheap as DVDs. > > > > Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as > cheap", but I'd love to know > > where you're sourcing your thumb drives. On Amazon I see blank 4.7GB > DVDs for around $0.25 / disk > > ~= $0.053 / GB. Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives > for $125 ~= $2.50 / drive > > or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about 6x as expensive on > a COGS basis unless I'm > > missing something. > > > > FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. Just > about everything about the > > process will be simpler and faster. > > > > Eli > > > > On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > > At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk < > hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu> wrote: > > > > Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if > I'm just thinking of my > > own backups > > and archives, and I do both of those among other options as > well. However, if I'm talking > > about > > producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and > to extended family members > > (descendants of D.C.Graham ? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it > > shoots > > way way out of my price range. > > > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > range are > > about as cheap as DVDs. > > > > On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > > > At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife > Productions & Folktography > > wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > "relatively universally accessible"- is the big > question... I would suggest > > thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... > and put the video > > files on the hard drive... you could label them and > store it on a shelf. > > and then access and connect to whatever playback device > that would allow > > for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... > > > > "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't > always store well > > (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD > cards and USB > > thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > > > > *Regards,* > > > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > > *Reelife Documentary Productions < > http://www.ReelifeProductions.com> ??? > > **Folktography > > by Tom* > > *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * > > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... > since 1996 > > *(413) 575-9707* > > * ??? Williamsburg, MA* > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk < > hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu> > > wrote: > > > > I'm open to suggestions. > > > > I want something that I can put an informative label > on the media and have > > it in a book like case > > that I can design a cover for. It should both be > able to sit on a book > > shelf in a library and be > > uploaded to their digital archives. It should also > be relatively > > "universally" accessible. > > > > > > On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & > Folktography wrote: > > > > Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If > not, I would highly > > > > recommend NOT using them. They > > > > are a faulty medium and not good for archiving > either. Be glad to > > > > discuss further... > > > > *Regards,* > > * > > * > > *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > > *Reelife Documentary Productions < > http://www.ReelifeProductions.com> ??? > > > > **Folktography by Tom* > > > > > > /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > > ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & > Enlightens... since 1996 > > /(413) 575-9707// > > ??? Williamsburg, MA > > / > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk > via Hidden-discuss > > > > > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have knowledge or experience about > DVD drives with > > > > respect to writing lots of DVDs > > > > without burning out? > > > > I've been producing DVDs of historical primary > source material (see, > > > > e.g., > > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729 > ) > > on my > > > > grandfather (see > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In March, I > > > > was about to head out to > > > > China for > > a three week trip, and I was pulling an all > nighter producing DVDs > > > > of my latest project with > > > > 23 of > > his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was > leaving, my DVD drive > > > > took the usual length of > > > > time to > > burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started > the verification > > > > scan, took a long time and > > > > summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable > to verify it. I > > > > went through 4 DVDs with the > > > > same > > result. This was from a stack of 100 good > quality Sony DVDs that I > > > > had been pulling from for > > > > quite a > > while with no problems. > > > > At the point that the drive failed, I had been > burning DVDs non-stop > > > > for well over 12 hours. All > > > > told on this round going back a couple of days, > I had burned > > > > something like 50-60 DVDs. > > > > Previously, > > I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > > > > This is not the first time I have had this > experience. Maybe the > > > > third. (i.e. bought a new > > > > drive and > > then had it burn out.) > > > > I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, > running MacOS Mojave, > > > > with an Apple USB Superdrive. > > > > Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. > They basically tell > > > > you they bought the drive, it > > > > hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, > and it is built > > > > solidly; or something like that. > > > > They don't give long term wear and reliability. > They don't say > > > > anything about non-stop burning > > > > sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new > device. I asked this > > > > question of a "genius" at > > > > the > > Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really > have an answer. He > > > > suggested that perhaps I should > > > > buy a less expensive drive, because the > internals would be the same. > > > > He said Sony made some > > > > pretty > > good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum > case, etc. that the > > > > Apple drive has, but would be > > > > half or less the cost. It would be great to have > a Consumer Reports > > > > "mean time to failure under > > > > continuous burning" and whether there are any > drives with different, > > > > more durable, internals. > > > > -- > > --------------- > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > - > > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu>> > > > > --------------- > > > > Erd??s 4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the > Hidden-Tech Discussion > > > > list. > > > > If you would like to change your list > preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > -- > > --------------- > > > > Chris Hoogendyk > > > > - > > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > Erd??s 4 > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the > Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to > the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > -- > > Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eli at egwynn.com Tue May 7 18:07:50 2019 From: eli at egwynn.com (Elijah Gwynn) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 14:07:50 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> Message-ID: <76EF3584-5493-4157-B652-F3438006B912@egwynn.com> Unfortunately write protection for flash drives is neither standardized nor foolproof. In other words, for any given drive, the process of enabling write protection may be difficult, and may not *actually* prevent a motivated bad actor from modifying the drive's contents. Cryptographic signing is one way to certify authenticity, but then it'd be up to the recipient to properly validate any signature you applied. Eli On 7 May 2019, at 13:57, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > Totally not off topic. Cost is an issue. Quality is also an issue. I > don't want to simply choose the cheapest solution, but I do need to > look at cost to some degree. > > Robert Heller also mentioned USB Memory sticks that are the size and > shape of a credit card. That would allow for some artwork, titling, > and sentence or two about the contents. If there were a case for that > to snap into that would be on the order of 5x7 to take front and back > cover design, then it might work, depending on cost. I'd attach an > example, but that won't fly in hidden-tech world. If you are on > Facebook, my posts are public. There are a bunch of posts in April on > my China trip, and one of them is about the DVD production and > includes pictures of them. > > An added question that comes up then is write protection. You don't > really want a published piece of work to be easily and multiply > modified (or infected) by everyone who happens to mount it on their > computer. > > > On 5/7/19 9:17 AM, Elijah Gwynn wrote: >> >> *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy >> range are >> about as cheap as DVDs. >> >> Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as >> cheap", but I'd love to know where you're sourcing your thumb drives. >> On Amazon I see blank 4.7GB DVDs for around $0.25 / disk ~= $0.053 / >> GB. Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives for $125 >> ~= $2.50 / drive or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about >> 6x as expensive on a COGS basis unless I'm missing something. >> >> FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. >> Just about everything about the process will be simpler and faster. >> >> Eli >> >> On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk >> wrote: >> >> Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright >> if I'm just thinking of my >> own backups >> and archives, and I do both of those among other options as >> well. However, if I'm talking >> about >> producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries >> and to extended family members >> (descendants of D.C.Graham ? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it >> shoots >> way way out of my price range. >> >> *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy >> range are >> about as cheap as DVDs. >> >> On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> >> At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife >> Productions & Folktography >> wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> "relatively universally accessible"- is the big >> question... I would suggest >> thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd >> ... and put the video >> files on the hard drive... you could label them and >> store it on a shelf. >> and then access and connect to whatever playback >> device that would allow >> for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... >> >> "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) >> don't always store well >> (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do >> SD cards and USB >> thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. >> >> *Regards,* >> >> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >> *Reelife Documentary Productions >> ??? >> **Folktography >> by Tom* >> *??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * >> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & >> Enlightens... since 1996 >> *(413) 575-9707* >> * ??? Williamsburg, MA* >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk >> >> wrote: >> >> I'm open to suggestions. >> >> I want something that I can put an informative >> label on the media and have >> it in a book like case >> that I can design a cover for. It should both be >> able to sit on a book >> shelf in a library and be >> uploaded to their digital archives. It should >> also be relatively >> "universally" accessible. >> >> >> On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife >> Productions & Folktography wrote: >> >> Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If >> not, I would highly >> >> recommend NOT using them. They >> >> are a faulty medium and not good for >> archiving either. Be glad to >> >> discuss further... >> >> *Regards,* >> * >> * >> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* >> *Reelife Documentary Productions >> ??? >> >> **Folktography by Tom* >> >> >> /??? Cool Media Production...Not Boring >> or Dumb / >> ??? Media that Educates, Entertains & >> Enlightens... since 1996 >> /(413) 575-9707// >> ??? Williamsburg, MA >> / >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris >> Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss >> > > >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: >> >> Does anyone have knowledge or experience >> about DVD drives with >> >> respect to writing lots of DVDs >> >> without burning out? >> >> I've been producing DVDs of historical >> primary source material (see, >> >> e.g., >> https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) >> on my >> >> grandfather (see >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). >> In March, I >> >> was about to head out to >> >> China for >> a three week trip, and I was pulling an all >> nighter producing DVDs >> >> of my latest project with >> >> 23 of >> his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was >> leaving, my DVD drive >> >> took the usual length of >> >> time to >> burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it >> started the verification >> >> scan, took a long time and >> >> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was >> unable to verify it. I >> >> went through 4 DVDs with the >> >> same >> result. This was from a stack of 100 good >> quality Sony DVDs that I >> >> had been pulling from for >> >> quite a >> while with no problems. >> >> At the point that the drive failed, I had >> been burning DVDs non-stop >> >> for well over 12 hours. All >> >> told on this round going back a couple of >> days, I had burned >> >> something like 50-60 DVDs. >> >> Previously, >> I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. >> >> This is not the first time I have had this >> experience. Maybe the >> >> third. (i.e. bought a new >> >> drive and >> then had it burn out.) >> >> I'm using an iMac which I think is about >> 2014, running MacOS Mojave, >> >> with an Apple USB Superdrive. >> >> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. >> They basically tell >> >> you they bought the drive, it >> >> hooked up without any trouble, it worked >> great, and it is built >> >> solidly; or something like that. >> >> They don't give long term wear and >> reliability. They don't say >> >> anything about non-stop burning >> >> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand >> new device. I asked this >> >> question of a "genius" at >> >> the >> Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't >> really have an answer. He >> >> suggested that perhaps I should >> >> buy a less expensive drive, because the >> internals would be the same. >> >> He said Sony made some >> >> pretty >> good drives, they just didn't have the >> aluminum case, etc. that the >> >> Apple drive has, but would be >> >> half or less the cost. It would be great to >> have a Consumer Reports >> >> "mean time to failure under >> >> continuous burning" and whether there are any >> drives with different, >> >> more durable, internals. >> >> -- >> --------------- >> >> Chris Hoogendyk >> >> - >> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, >> Amherst >> >> > > >> >> --------------- >> >> Erd??s 4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >> http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the >> Hidden-Tech Discussion >> >> list. >> >> If you would like to change your list >> preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -- >> --------------- >> >> Chris Hoogendyk >> >> - >> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >> >> >> >> --------------- >> >> Erd??s 4 >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >> http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the >> Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go >> to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -- >> Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 >> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services >> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services >> heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >> http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech >> Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the >> Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heller at deepsoft.com Tue May 7 21:33:21 2019 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 17:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Hidden-tech] durable DVD writer In-Reply-To: <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> References: <9b6a529c-8322-5ae9-b27b-8746c33e4348@bio.umass.edu> <20190506232901.2595E26C0013@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <142fcb2f-4a0a-8b94-482c-fccbdfece222@bio.umass.edu> <20190507122201.D430926C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> <2F37A580-F635-4829-8620-4BAE63E50A16@egwynn.com> Message-ID: <20190507213321.4A2EB26C000F@sharky3.deepsoft.com> At Tue, 07 May 2019 09:17:43 -0400 "Elijah Gwynn" wrote: > > > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > > range are > > about as cheap as DVDs. > > Hopefully not too off topic, and not sure what you mean by "about as > cheap", but I'd love to know where you're sourcing your thumb drives. On > Amazon I see blank 4.7GB DVDs for around $0.25 / disk ~= $0.053 / GB. > Best I can find on Amazon / AliExpress is 50 8GB drives for $125 ~= > $2.50 / drive or ~= $0.31 / GB. USB sticks look like they're about 6x as > expensive on a COGS basis unless I'm missing something. > > FWIW I'd def go with the USB sticks though, if you can afford it. Just > about everything about the process will be simpler and faster. Part of the cost is the burning process (which includes wear and tear on the burner). And labeling and packaging. Many of the places where you can get bulk USB thumb drives will pre-load them with your data for a minimual extra cost. The thumb drives can be imprinted (that saves the labeling cost) and packaging can be mostly eliminated, since thumb drives are much more rugged than DVDs. And as you say "Just about everything about the process will be simpler and faster"... Oh, and if you come up with a revised dataset, the thumb drives can be updated, whereas the old version DVDs go to the landfill and you have to burn new ones :-(. Yeah, on a pure gig-for-gig basis, DVDs are still cheaper, but when you figure in the additional costs, things even out. Also, thumb drives have a much greater capacity, so if you have > 4.7GB data sets, you only need one 8G thumb drive and not two DVDs... > > Eli > > On 7 May 2019, at 8:22, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > > At Tue, 7 May 2019 07:27:41 -0400 Chris Hoogendyk > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Both of those options are much more expensive. That's alright if I'm > >> just thinking of my own backups > >> and archives, and I do both of those among other options as well. > >> However, if I'm talking about > >> producing 50 to 100 or so and distributing them to libraries and to > >> extended family members > >> (descendants of D.C.Graham ??? > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham), then it shoots > >> way way out of my price range. > > > > *Plain* thumb drives, even with imprinting, in the 50-100 quantiy > > range are > > about as cheap as DVDs. > > > >> > >> > >> On 5/6/19 7:29 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > >>> At Mon, 6 May 2019 16:28:01 -0400 Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & > >>> Folktography wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Chris, > >>>> > >>>> "relatively universally accessible"- is the big question... I would > >>>> suggest > >>>> thinking of portable hard drive like you would a dvd ... and put > >>>> the video > >>>> files on the hard drive... you could label them and store it on a > >>>> shelf. > >>>> and then access and connect to whatever playback device that would > >>>> allow > >>>> for viewing, laptop/projector/tv/laptop screen... > >>> "Rotating rust" drives (traditional magnetic drives) don't always > >>> store well > >>> (the spindle lube hardens). OTOH, SSDs store well. As do SD cards > >>> and USB > >>> thumb drives. No moving parts. Highly shock resistant. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *Regards,* > >>>> > >>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > >>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions > >>>> ??????? > >>>> **Folktography > >>>> by Tom* > >>>> *??????? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb * > >>>> ??????? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since 1996 > >>>> *(413) 575-9707* > >>>> * ??????? Williamsburg, MA* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:18 PM Chris Hoogendyk > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'm open to suggestions. > >>>>> > >>>>> I want something that I can put an informative label on the media > >>>>> and have > >>>>> it in a book like case > >>>>> that I can design a cover for. It should both be able to sit on a > >>>>> book > >>>>> shelf in a library and be > >>>>> uploaded to their digital archives. It should also be relatively > >>>>> "universally" accessible. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/6/19 3:38 PM, Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Chris, I are you committed to using DVDs? If not, I would highly > >>>>> recommend NOT using them. They > >>>>>> are a faulty medium and not good for archiving either. Be glad to > >>>>> discuss further... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *Regards,* > >>>>>> * > >>>>>> * > >>>>>> *Tom Adams, Director/Owner* > >>>>>> *Reelife Documentary Productions > >>>>>> ??????? > >>>>> **Folktography by Tom* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> /??????? Cool Media Production...Not Boring or Dumb / > >>>>>> ??????? Media that Educates, Entertains & Enlightens... since > >>>>>> 1996 > >>>>>> /(413) 575-9707// > >>>>>> ??????? Williamsburg, MA > >>>>>> / > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:24 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss > >>>>>> >>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote: > >>>>>> Does anyone have knowledge or experience about DVD drives > >>>>>> with > >>>>> respect to writing lots of DVDs > >>>>>> without burning out? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've been producing DVDs of historical primary source > >>>>>> material (see, > >>>>> e.g., > >>>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/moreygraham-historical-letters/oclc/904725729) > >>>>> on my > >>>>>> grandfather (see > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crockett_Graham). In > >>>>>> March, I > >>>>> was about to head out to > >>>>>> China for > >>>>>> a three week trip, and I was pulling an all nighter > >>>>>> producing DVDs > >>>>> of my latest project with > >>>>>> 23 of > >>>>>> his diaries. At 6am on the morning that I was leaving, my > >>>>>> DVD drive > >>>>> took the usual length of > >>>>>> time to > >>>>>> burn a DVD (seems like forever), then it started the > >>>>>> verification > >>>>> scan, took a long time and > >>>>>> summarily spit out the DVD, saying it was unable to verify > >>>>>> it. I > >>>>> went through 4 DVDs with the > >>>>>> same > >>>>>> result. This was from a stack of 100 good quality Sony DVDs > >>>>>> that I > >>>>> had been pulling from for > >>>>>> quite a > >>>>>> while with no problems. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the point that the drive failed, I had been burning DVDs > >>>>>> non-stop > >>>>> for well over 12 hours. All > >>>>>> told on this round going back a couple of days, I had burned > >>>>> something like 50-60 DVDs. > >>>>>> Previously, > >>>>>> I had used the drive to burn other DVDs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is not the first time I have had this experience. Maybe > >>>>>> the > >>>>> third. (i.e. bought a new > >>>>>> drive and > >>>>>> then had it burn out.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm using an iMac which I think is about 2014, running MacOS > >>>>>> Mojave, > >>>>> with an Apple USB Superdrive. > >>>>>> Googling reviews of drives is pretty useless. They basically > >>>>>> tell > >>>>> you they bought the drive, it > >>>>>> hooked up without any trouble, it worked great, and it is > >>>>>> built > >>>>> solidly; or something like that. > >>>>>> They don't give long term wear and reliability. They don't > >>>>>> say > >>>>> anything about non-stop burning > >>>>>> sessions; just normal easy use with a brand new device. I > >>>>>> asked this > >>>>> question of a "genius" at > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Apple Store this weekend, and he didn't really have an > >>>>>> answer. He > >>>>> suggested that perhaps I should > >>>>>> buy a less expensive drive, because the internals would be > >>>>>> the same. > >>>>> He said Sony made some > >>>>>> pretty > >>>>>> good drives, they just didn't have the aluminum case, etc. > >>>>>> that the > >>>>> Apple drive has, but would be > >>>>>> half or less the cost. It would be great to have a Consumer > >>>>>> Reports > >>>>> "mean time to failure under > >>>>>> continuous burning" and whether there are any drives with > >>>>>> different, > >>>>> more durable, internals. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Chris Hoogendyk > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - > >>>>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator > >>>>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > >>>>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Erd????s 4 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > >>>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net > >>>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > >>>>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > >>>>>> Discussion > >>>>> list. > >>>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the > >>>>>> Members > >>>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > >>>>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> --------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris Hoogendyk > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> O__ ---- Systems Administrator > >>>>> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > >>>>> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Erd????s 4 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > >>>> > >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > >>>> Discussion list. > >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the > >>>> Members > >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > -- > > Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From mkgreen at umass.edu Wed May 8 16:15:36 2019 From: mkgreen at umass.edu (Mary Green) Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 16:15:36 +0000 Subject: [Hidden-tech] JOB: Freelance scientific illustrator and graphic designer for UMass Amherst faculty Message-ID: The Office of Research Development at UMass Amherst is seeking an experienced freelance scientific illustrator/graphic designer to produce graphics for a scientific research grant proposal with a mid-June deadline. 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I am hoping to find a certified professional engineer to review my design for inclusion in the grant application. If you or someone you know is certified in Massachusetts, I would love to have a conversation! Thanks, Cheryl -- Phone: 413.337.1030 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/pub/cheryl-handsaker/4/a21/8a/ From stacy at swampdancer.com Wed May 22 15:59:26 2019 From: stacy at swampdancer.com (Stacy Kontrabecki) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:59:26 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] AT&T Signal Booster; phone porting recommendations Message-ID: It's official: our family is taking an online media hiatus - at least for the summer. Just canceled Comcast Internet & TV service. I have until end of Saturday before I'm turned off. 1.) What AT&T Signal Booster should I get so we can use our cell service in the house? It's a 2 story, 1,500 square feet. We've been using an AT&T MicroCell successfully, so I'm thinking a basic SignalBooster should do it. 2.) Anything I should take care of before then? ?Upload pictures - check. Change any accounts with comcast.net email - none, check. Hmmm??? 3.) And also, I have 2 Vonage phone numbers. I'll likely just forward them to my cell, but ideally I'd like to port them over to a service that does an automatic forward, and that costs less that $20 a month - what I pay Vonage for each. I've looked this up before and found nothing better than Vonage. I found a $5/month park, but that is only an outgoing voice message, not a forward. I rather thought Google Voice required a port from a cell number, and I don't tI hink want to pay to transfer the numbers to cell, then to GV. But maybe it is cost effective in the end? PS - We are on 112 in Buckland and Comcast or HughesNet are our only internet options. -- Stacy Kontrabecki, MBA Swampdancer Resources Certification Systems Consultant www.swampdancer.com +1 (413) 625-9203 office +1 (413) 834-3423 mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Thu May 23 13:35:08 2019 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question Message-ID: I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain of ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie account as I've done in the past? Thanks! Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) ________________________________________________ Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 ** * (move your mouse to "event videos") Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change Twitter: @shelhorowitz * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) _________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markdhamill at gmail.com Thu May 23 15:17:46 2019 From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:17:46 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on > WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain of > ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a > domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie > account as I've done in the past? > > Thanks! > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) > ________________________________________________ > Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > ** > * > (move your mouse to "event videos") > > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > > Twitter: @shelhorowitz > > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: > Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad > Levinson) > > _________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com Thu May 23 16:27:03 2019 From: yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com (Marcia Yudkin) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] Alcatel cellphone question Message-ID: <547086618.3246695.1558628823751@mail.yahoo.com> When I was in Europe last year, I bought a simple Alcatel smartphone after my Samsung smartphone was stolen. I would like to use it again on my next trip, but it won't recharge. When I plug it in, various lights and icons come on and it appears to be charging, but when I later unplug it, it's dead. My question is, is there anyplace around here where I could have someone look at the phone to see if it can be salvaged? Maybe it just needs a new battery, for instance. I'm not familiar with this brand of phone and don't even have a manual for it in English! Thanks for any suggestions. Marcia Yudkin www.yudkin.com Goshen From sam at itabix.com Thu May 23 16:47:42 2019 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but you can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up for a paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free plan such as your own domain. https://wordpress.com/pricing/ Sam -- Sam McClellan Itabix, Inc Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration sam at itabix.com http://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. > The cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. > > https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss > > wrote: > > I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on > WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a > domain of ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's > requiring me to buy a domain sand sign up for a paid monthly > plan.? How an I set up a freebie account as I've done in the past? > > Thanks! > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) > ________________________________________________ > Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > _http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809___ > (move your mouse to "event videos") > > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > > Twitter: @shelhorowitz > > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com > ?* 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: > Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad > Levinson) > > _________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at itabix.com Fri May 24 00:04:55 2019 From: sam at itabix.com (Sam McClellan) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 20:04:55 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Alcatel cellphone question In-Reply-To: <547086618.3246695.1558628823751@mail.yahoo.com> References: <547086618.3246695.1558628823751@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3af3a964-3272-0af0-7aca-1b1115162cbb@itabix.com> Hi Marcia, If it works while plugged in but then dies when you unplug it, I would suspect that the battery is dead, there are lots of places that can replace a dead cell phone battery - usually one or two in the malls, or just do a search for cell phone repair. The trick will be finding one that has your battery, and if it will be cheaper to replace the battery than replace the phone. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sam McClellan Itabix, Inc Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration sam at itabix.com https://itabix.com Main - 413.587.4600 Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) On 5/23/2019 12:27 PM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote: > When I was in Europe last year, I bought a simple Alcatel smartphone after my Samsung smartphone was stolen. I would like to use it again on my next trip, but it won't recharge. When I plug it in, various lights and icons come on and it appears to be charging, but when I later unplug it, it's dead. > > My question is, is there anyplace around here where I could have someone look at the phone to see if it can be salvaged? Maybe it just needs a new battery, for instance. > > I'm not familiar with this brand of phone and don't even have a manual for it in English! > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Marcia Yudkin > www.yudkin.com > Goshen > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marla.s.michel at gmail.com Fri May 24 03:18:35 2019 From: marla.s.michel at gmail.com (Marla Michel) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 23:18:35 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Leadership Pioneer Valley - Class of 2020 Message-ID: Hi, everyone. Applications are now being accepted for the Leadership Pioneer Valley (https://www.leadershippv.org) premier regional development program, LEAP. This is an exceptional leadership training program which actively seeks out a diverse cohort in our three counties so that we can cultivate informed and prepared leaders for the economic and social prosperity of the Pioneer Valley. I've been associated with LPV for more than a decade, first as a Steering Committee member and then as a Board member. Clearly I'm an advocate. LEAP does double duty for our wonderful valley: it teaches solid positive leadership principles and practices to established and rising leaders and connects them in such a meaningful way with our three counties and each other that its impact will be felt for years to come on our economy and our communities. A few details to call out- - LEAP is a 9-month program that begins with a 2-day retreat in Sep and progresses with a combination of day-long seminars, exploratory field experiences within the valley, and small group experiential projects. "Graduation" is in May. - Class size ranges from 35-40 people. There are more than 250 LEAP graduates in our valley now. - Applications are due July 1. - Applicants require the sponsorship of their employer. - There is financial assistance available, thanks to our generous community. - If you're a member of one of our regional Chambers and are sending someone for the first time, you can get 10% off the tuition. This offer is limited to the first 10 companies who use it. There are also discounts if you've been referred by a LEAP alum or are sending 3 or more people to the program. More info is on the website. 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Milk Muller has reported bounces as below: > Could not deliver message to the following recipient(s): > > Failed Recipient: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > Reason: Remote host said: 451 4.7.1 Service unavailable - try again later I can see no other dianostic messages, from postfix or dkim-milter (the dkim deamon) Any ideas of how to fix, or even get better diagnotics would be helpful. -- Rich Roth CEO TnR Global Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com Building the really big sites: http://www.tnrglobal.com Small/Soho business in the PV: http://www.hidden-tech.net Places to meet for business: http://www.meetmewhere.com And for relaxation: http://www.welovemuseums.com http://www.artonmytv.com/ Helping move the world: http://www.earththrives.com From rcdanek at gmail.com Fri May 24 16:21:11 2019 From: rcdanek at gmail.com (Richard Danek) Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:21:11 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry if this appears a 2nd time. Sam McClellan seem to have received it when I replied (apparently only to him). ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Richard Danek Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question To: Sam McClellan I just tested Wordpress.com to see what's changed. I was able to select a free site. It let me chose a name that was inserted before "wordpress.com". So, the sites final name was rcdinfo.wordpress.com. I actually didn't finish setting up the site. I just wanted to see where you were forced to pay. *You still have the free option.* You have to look for it, though. (I found it at the top of the page in the description above the table that has the different prices/levels.) Now, on to domain names. You can use any registrar to pick a domain name. I use Google because they are only $12/year. The price is higher for some of the newer domains (like .photography). The thing is, once you have a domain name, you can change its records to point to the Wordpress site. Here's an example. My wife and I have a baking show that we produce every once in a while. I registered "oomas.info" on Google. So, that's my domain. The site is hosted on Wordpress as oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. I used website forwarding to make it work so that anyone going to " https://oomas.info" gets forwarded to the Wordpress site, " https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com". The name in the URL banner always says oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. Someone might object to that. I figure that once someone lands on your page, they're going to use buttons and links to maneuver. Lots of sites have long URL's at that point and no one seems to mind. So, free is still there. (I did find one registrar that supposedly allowed you to keep the " oomas.info" name in the URL throughout. It might have been GoDaddy. They wanted $20/year for the same domain name registration so I said NO to that.) On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:31 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but you > can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up for a > paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free plan > such as your own domain. > > https://wordpress.com/pricing/ > > Sam > -- > Sam McClellan > Itabix, Inc > Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration > sam at itabix.com > http://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The > cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. > > > https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on >> WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain of >> ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a >> domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie >> account as I've done in the past? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) >> ________________________________________________ >> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, >> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >> *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >> ** >> * >> (move your mouse to "event videos") >> >> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >> >> Twitter: @shelhorowitz >> >> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >> >> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com >> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 >> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: >> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad >> Levinson) >> >> _________________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markdhamill at gmail.com Fri May 24 17:52:27 2019 From: markdhamill at gmail.com (Mark D. Hamill) Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 13:52:27 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What this does is cause a redirect, translating oomas.info into https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com, which is what is seen in the browser. I think Shel wants his domain name to appear, not wordpress.com. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:10 PM Richard Danek via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Sorry if this appears a 2nd time. Sam McClellan seem to have received it > when I replied (apparently only to him). > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Richard Danek > Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question > To: Sam McClellan > > > I just tested Wordpress.com to see what's changed. I was able to select a > free site. It let me chose a name that was inserted before "wordpress.com". > So, the sites final name was rcdinfo.wordpress.com. I actually didn't > finish setting up the site. I just wanted to see where you were forced to > pay. *You still have the free option.* > > You have to look for it, though. (I found it at the top of the page in the > description above the table that has the different prices/levels.) > > Now, on to domain names. You can use any registrar to pick a domain name. > I use Google because they are > only $12/year. The price is higher for some of the newer domains (like > .photography). The thing is, once you have a domain name, you can change > its records to point to the Wordpress site. > > Here's an example. My wife and I have a baking show that we produce every > once in a while. I registered "oomas.info" on Google. So, that's my > domain. The site is hosted on Wordpress as oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. > I used website forwarding to make it work so that anyone going to " > https://oomas.info" gets forwarded to the Wordpress site, " > https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com". > > The name in the URL banner always says oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. > Someone might object to that. I figure that once someone lands on your > page, they're going to use buttons and links to maneuver. Lots of sites > have long URL's at that point and no one seems to mind. > > So, free is still there. > > (I did find one registrar that supposedly allowed you to keep the " > oomas.info" name in the URL throughout. It might have been GoDaddy. They > wanted $20/year for the same domain name registration so I said NO to that.) > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:31 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but >> you can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up >> for a paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free >> plan such as your own domain. >> >> https://wordpress.com/pricing/ >> >> Sam >> -- >> Sam McClellan >> Itabix, Inc >> Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration >> sam at itabix.com >> http://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The >> cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. >> >> >> https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on >>> WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain of >>> ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a >>> domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie >>> account as I've done in the past? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) >>> ________________________________________________ >>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, >>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >>> *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >>> ** >>> * >>> (move your mouse to "event videos") >>> >>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >>> >>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz >>> >>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >>> >>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com >>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 >>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: >>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad >>> Levinson) >>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shel at principledprofit.com Fri May 24 18:28:30 2019 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, folks. I ended up deciding that if WP was going to be potentially not supporting free sites anymore, there was no advantage to using them. So I bought a domain and will set up a WordPress blog within my existing hosting partition at HostGator. On 5/24/19, Richard Danek via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Sorry if this appears a 2nd time. Sam McClellan seem to have received it > when I replied (apparently only to him). > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Richard Danek > Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question > To: Sam McClellan > > > I just tested Wordpress.com to see what's changed. I was able to select a > free site. It let me chose a name that was inserted before "wordpress.com". > So, the sites final name was rcdinfo.wordpress.com. I actually didn't > finish setting up the site. I just wanted to see where you were forced to > pay. *You still have the free option.* > > You have to look for it, though. (I found it at the top of the page in the > description above the table that has the different prices/levels.) > > Now, on to domain names. You can use any registrar to pick a domain name. I > use Google because they are only > $12/year. The price is higher for some of the newer domains (like > .photography). The thing is, once you have a domain name, you can change > its records to point to the Wordpress site. > > Here's an example. My wife and I have a baking show that we produce every > once in a while. I registered "oomas.info" on Google. So, that's my domain. > The site is hosted on Wordpress as oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. I used > website forwarding to make it work so that anyone going to " > https://oomas.info" gets forwarded to the Wordpress site, " > https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com". > > The name in the URL banner always says oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. > Someone might object to that. I figure that once someone lands on your > page, they're going to use buttons and links to maneuver. Lots of sites > have long URL's at that point and no one seems to mind. > > So, free is still there. > > (I did find one registrar that supposedly allowed you to keep the " > oomas.info" name in the URL throughout. It might have been GoDaddy. They > wanted $20/year for the same domain name registration so I said NO to > that.) > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:31 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but >> you >> can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up for >> a >> paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free plan >> such as your own domain. >> >> https://wordpress.com/pricing/ >> >> Sam >> -- >> Sam McClellan >> Itabix, Inc >> Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration >> sam at itabix.com >> http://itabix.com >> Main - 413.587.4600 >> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >> On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The >> cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. >> >> >> https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on >>> WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain >>> of >>> ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a >>> domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie >>> account as I've done in the past? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) >>> ________________________________________________ >>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, >>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >>> *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >>> ** >>> * >>> (move your mouse to "event videos") >>> >>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >>> >>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz >>> >>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >>> >>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com >>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 >>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: >>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad >>> Levinson) >>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >> http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >> list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >> list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > -- Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) ________________________________________________ Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 * Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change Twitter: @shelhorowitz * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame http://goingbeyondsustainability.com http://transformpreneur.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) _________________________________________________ From shel at principledprofit.com Mon May 27 00:38:55 2019 From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz) Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 20:38:55 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Anyone know how to reset a Dell 3335 laser printer that... Message-ID: ...Finishes the startup cycle and goes immediately to the Blue Screen of Death? All of the instructions I find online assume you have access to the control panel, either on the machine or on a connected computer. today I actually got the menu for about a minute, but that was only enough time to make sure it wasn't a supplies issues. Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) ________________________________________________ Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 ** * (move your mouse to "event videos") Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change Twitter: @shelhorowitz * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) _________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glp at gregperham.com Mon May 27 03:26:17 2019 From: glp at gregperham.com (GLP) Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 23:26:17 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579C83B5-8F6B-4741-9507-F14186FBFDC2@gregperham.com> Just to clarify re: "if WP was going to be potentially not supporting free sites anymore? : 1. WordPress.com will continue to offer ad-supported, free sites. 2. Using a custom domain (without forwarding/redirecting) has always been a paid upgrade on WordPress.com . 3. Shel does have the correct understanding now that to use a custom domain name while avoiding paying fees to WordPress.com , one must use the free WordPress.org software on their own hosting service. Greg > On May 24, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Thanks, folks. I ended up deciding that if WP was going to be > potentially not supporting free sites anymore, there was no advantage > to using them. So I bought a domain and will set up a WordPress blog > within my existing hosting partition at HostGator. > > On 5/24/19, Richard Danek via Hidden-discuss > wrote: >> Sorry if this appears a 2nd time. Sam McClellan seem to have received it >> when I replied (apparently only to him). >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Richard Danek >> Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question >> To: Sam McClellan >> >> >> I just tested Wordpress.com to see what's changed. I was able to select a >> free site. It let me chose a name that was inserted before "wordpress.com". >> So, the sites final name was rcdinfo.wordpress.com. I actually didn't >> finish setting up the site. I just wanted to see where you were forced to >> pay. *You still have the free option.* >> >> You have to look for it, though. (I found it at the top of the page in the >> description above the table that has the different prices/levels.) >> >> Now, on to domain names. You can use any registrar to pick a domain name. I >> use Google because they are only >> $12/year. The price is higher for some of the newer domains (like >> .photography). The thing is, once you have a domain name, you can change >> its records to point to the Wordpress site. >> >> Here's an example. My wife and I have a baking show that we produce every >> once in a while. I registered "oomas.info" on Google. So, that's my domain. >> The site is hosted on Wordpress as oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. I used >> website forwarding to make it work so that anyone going to " >> https://oomas.info" gets forwarded to the Wordpress site, " >> https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com". >> >> The name in the URL banner always says oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. >> Someone might object to that. I figure that once someone lands on your >> page, they're going to use buttons and links to maneuver. Lots of sites >> have long URL's at that point and no one seems to mind. >> >> So, free is still there. >> >> (I did find one registrar that supposedly allowed you to keep the " >> oomas.info" name in the URL throughout. It might have been GoDaddy. They >> wanted $20/year for the same domain name registration so I said NO to >> that.) >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:31 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >>> Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but >>> you >>> can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up for >>> a >>> paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free plan >>> such as your own domain. >>> >>> https://wordpress.com/pricing/ >>> >>> Sam >>> -- >>> Sam McClellan >>> Itabix, Inc >>> Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration >>> sam at itabix.com >>> http://itabix.com >>> Main - 413.587.4600 >>> Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) >>> On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The >>> cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. >>> >>> >>> https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain >>> >>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < >>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on >>>> WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain >>>> of >>>> ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a >>>> domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie >>>> account as I've done in the past? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) >>>> ________________________________________________ >>>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, >>>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" >>>> *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 >>>> ** >>>> * >>>> (move your mouse to "event videos") >>>> >>>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, >>>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change >>>> >>>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz >>>> >>>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified >>>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame >>>> >>>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com >>>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 >>>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: >>>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad >>>> Levinson) >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> >>>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>>> list. >>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>> http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> > > > -- > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) > ________________________________________________ > Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > * > > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > > Twitter: @shelhorowitz > > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > http://transformpreneur.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: > Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) > > _________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glp at gregperham.com Mon May 27 04:38:03 2019 From: glp at gregperham.com (GLP) Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 00:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Seeking Nation Builder developer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <926C0B04-33D1-42C6-9BEB-EE23A39D6B30@gregperham.com> Hi Scott, Based on this description, you would not be seeking to use the NB API. The API is for going in the opposite direction, where you want to edit the code on the other site to send information to NB. You probably have two options: 1. Embed the page from the other site using an embed code they provide you. (Sounds like this isn?t an option.) 2. Embed the page from the other website in an iframe. In either case, you would insert the code in the Template . The API does not come into it. Greg > On May 23, 2019, at 11:18 PM, Scott Reed via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > I am working with an organization that needs to integrate/embed a web page from another site on their Nation Builder site. Is there anyone out there with Nation Builder API certification? > > - Scott > 413 210-0032 > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) ________________________________________________ Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 ** * (move your mouse to "event videos") Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change Twitter: @shelhorowitz * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame http://goingbeyondsustainability.com mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson) _________________________________________________ On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:26 PM GLP via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Just to clarify re: "if WP was going to > be potentially not supporting free sites anymore? : > 1. WordPress.com will continue to offer ad-supported, free sites. > 2. Using a custom domain (without forwarding/redirecting) has always been > a paid upgrade on WordPress.com. > 3. Shel does have the correct understanding now that to use a custom > domain name while avoiding paying fees to WordPress.com, one must use the > free WordPress.org software on their own hosting service. > > Greg > > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > Thanks, folks. I ended up deciding that if WP was going to be > potentially not supporting free sites anymore, there was no advantage > to using them. So I bought a domain and will set up a WordPress blog > within my existing hosting partition at HostGator. > > On 5/24/19, Richard Danek via Hidden-discuss > wrote: > > Sorry if this appears a 2nd time. Sam McClellan seem to have received it > when I replied (apparently only to him). > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Richard Danek > Date: Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WordPress.com question > To: Sam McClellan > > > I just tested Wordpress.com to see what's changed. I was able to select a > free site. It let me chose a name that was inserted before "wordpress.com > ". > So, the sites final name was rcdinfo.wordpress.com. I actually didn't > finish setting up the site. I just wanted to see where you were forced to > pay. *You still have the free option.* > > You have to look for it, though. (I found it at the top of the page in the > description above the table that has the different prices/levels.) > > Now, on to domain names. You can use any registrar to pick a domain name. I > use Google because they are > only > $12/year. The price is higher for some of the newer domains (like > .photography). The thing is, once you have a domain name, you can change > its records to point to the Wordpress site. > > Here's an example. My wife and I have a baking show that we produce every > once in a while. I registered "oomas.info" on Google. So, that's my > domain. > The site is hosted on Wordpress as oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. I used > website forwarding to make it work so that anyone going to " > https://oomas.info" gets forwarded to the Wordpress site, " > https://oomascookiejar.wordpress.com". > > The name in the URL banner always says oomascookiejar.wordpress.com. > Someone might object to that. I figure that once someone lands on your > page, they're going to use buttons and links to maneuver. Lots of sites > have long URL's at that point and no one seems to mind. > > So, free is still there. > > (I did find one registrar that supposedly allowed you to keep the " > oomas.info" name in the URL throughout. It might have been GoDaddy. They > wanted $20/year for the same domain name registration so I said NO to > that.) > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:31 PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding, Wordpress.com does have a free account but > you > can't have your own domain with it. It should not require you sign up for > a > paid plan unless you want something that's not included in the free plan > such as your own domain. > > https://wordpress.com/pricing/ > > Sam > -- > Sam McClellan > Itabix, Inc > Web Development, Hosting and Domain Registration > sam at itabix.com > http://itabix.com > Main - 413.587.4600 > Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) > On 5/23/2019 11:17 AM, Mark D. Hamill via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Unfortunately, that's not an option anymore. You have to buy a plan. The > cheapest is $3/month for a blogger account. > > > > https://en.support.wordpress.com/domains/map-existing-domain/#steps-for-mapping-a-domain > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > > I'm trying to set up a freebie blog for a community group on > WordPress.com. It would be hosted on WordPress.com and not on a domain > of > ours. But after it has me set everything up, it's requiring me to buy a > domain sand sign up for a paid monthly plan. How an I set up a freebie > account as I've done in the past? > > Thanks! > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) > ________________________________________________ > Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > ** > * > (move your mouse to "event videos") > > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > > Twitter: @shelhorowitz > > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest: > Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad > Levinson) > > _________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: > http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > > > > -- > > Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm) > ________________________________________________ > Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk, > "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World" > *http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 > * > > Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, > poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change > > Twitter: @shelhorowitz > > * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified > * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame > > http://goingbeyondsustainability.com > http://transformpreneur.com > mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 > Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. 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URL: From northampton_tech at yahoo.com Fri May 31 14:33:04 2019 From: northampton_tech at yahoo.com (Nate Jasper) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1142912364.8734554.1559313184850@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Deb!?I always use https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/for finding fonts. Hope you are well.? Good luck!? Nate Jasper www.designnorthampton.com 413-281-8184 Also at iTutor Computers www.itutor.biz ? On Friday, May 31, 2019, 10:30:36 AM EDT, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: Hi folks, What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for which I need to use a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't have a copy of it. This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share with me.?www.redpillexpo.org Thanks,?Deb_______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amy at wildappledesigngroup.com Fri May 31 14:33:55 2019 From: amy at wildappledesigngroup.com (Amy Scott) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like this one, Deborah: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/matcherator Amy *Amy Scott**amy at wildapple.co * *Woot! New Digs! As of May 1, 2019:*Wild Apple Design Group Web. wildappledesigngroup.com New Phone. 833-413-WILD Visit. 276 Bridge Street STE 202, Springfield, Ma 01103 On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:30 AM Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Hi folks, > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for > which I need to use a font that is used in the client's logo, but the > client doesn't have a copy of it. > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone > here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share with me. > www.redpillexpo.org > > Thanks, > Deb > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at jacobson.net Fri May 31 14:35:31 2019 From: matt at jacobson.net (Matt Jacobson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:35:31 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.whatfontis.com ???????????????????????????????? Matt Jacobson matt at jacobson.net 413.475.2799 > On May 31, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > Hi folks, > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for which I need to use a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't have a copy of it. > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share with me. > www.redpillexpo.org > > Thanks, > Deb > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd at toddlemieux.com Fri May 31 15:03:40 2019 From: todd at toddlemieux.com (Todd LeMieux) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can upload a type sample ?/ image here, and ID the font. Works really well if you have a a good image to start with. https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ Good luck, Todd ------------------- Todd M. LeMieux 413.237.6869 [Graphic Design + Creative Direction] Twitter? |? LinkedIn? |? Facebook Good Design Will Prevail.? On May 31, 2019 at 7:30:33 AM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote: Hi folks, What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for which I need to use a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't have a copy of it. This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share with me.? www.redpillexpo.org Thanks,? Deb _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debchandler411 at gmail.com Fri May 31 19:09:59 2019 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:09:59 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Deborah Chandler Date: Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM Subject: Re: * * * Font Identification * * * To: Hidden-Tech Tech Thank you to the 5 people who gave suggestions. The suggested sites still don't recognize it. (A close font is Fake Plastic, a TT font, but after download, it would not load into my fonts folder, gave me an error message.) If someone is willing to take a look at the font and try to ID it, I can send it to you. (I just got scolded by the moderator, and my message was rejected, because I attached the logo, and forgot that some folks have dial up and can't handle the file size.) I'd appreciate finding the font asap, as the job needs to go to the printer by Monday. (And FYI, this is a pro bono job, and my client is a group of volunteers, so I need this font to be free) Thanks, Deb On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Deborah Chandler wrote: > Hi folks, > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for > which I need to use a font that is used in the client's logo, but the > client doesn't have a copy of it. > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone > here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share with me. > www.redpillexpo.org > > Thanks, > Deb > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at on-the-net.com Fri May 31 19:32:59 2019 From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich Roth) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:32:59 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713c5101-a640-ca00-a0ac-94afe7c068bd@tnrglobal.com> Oh come on -- just a drag to google to let them do the work https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_UVznk0T346iskYBKAjGsB763R0xBOK/view?usp=sharing On 5/31/2019 3:09 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Deborah Chandler* > > Date: Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: * * * Font Identification * * * > To: Hidden-Tech Tech > > > > Thank you to the 5 people who gave suggestions. The suggested sites > still don't recognize it. (A close font is Fake Plastic, a TT font, > but after download, it would not load into my fonts folder, gave me an > error message.) > > If someone is willing to take a look at the font and try to ID it, I > can send it to you. (I just got scolded by the moderator, and my > message was rejected, because I attached the logo, and forgot that > some folks have dial up and can't handle the file size.) > I'd appreciate finding the font asap, as the job needs to go to the > printer by Monday. (And FYI, this is a pro bono job, and my client is > a group of volunteers, so I need this font to be free) > > Thanks, > Deb > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Deborah Chandler > > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a > program for which I need to use a font that is used in the > client's logo, but the client doesn't have a copy of it. > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe > someone here knows the font and has a copy of it you can share > with me. > www.redpillexpo.org > > Thanks, > Deb > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu Fri May 31 19:43:04 2019 From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There was a day long ago (30 odd years or so) when I could look at fonts and ID them. Back then I ran one of the early graphic arts service bureaus with a Linotronic Imagesetter. Anyway, . . . If you are talking about that RED PILL EXPO as the logo, the typeface is very simple. If you had a good clear example of it, you could scan it, bring it into Adobe Illustrator, and reproduce it (just those words) in fairly short order. It's all straight lines with just a few identical curves on the R, D and P. Save that as an EPS file and you are set to go. On 5/31/19 3:09 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Deborah Chandler* > > Date: Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: * * * Font Identification * * * > To: Hidden-Tech Tech > > > > Thank you to the 5 people who gave suggestions. The suggested sites still don't recognize it. (A > close font is Fake Plastic, a TT font, but after download, it would not load into my fonts folder, > gave me an error message.) > > If someone is willing to take a look at the font and try to ID it, I can send it to you. (I just > got scolded by the moderator, and my message was rejected, because I attached the logo, and forgot > that some folks have dial up and can't handle the file size.) > I'd appreciate finding the font asap, as the job needs to go to the printer by Monday. (And FYI, > this is a pro bono job, and my client is a group of volunteers, so I need this font to be free) > > Thanks, > Deb > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Deborah Chandler > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a program for which I need to use > a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't have a copy of it. > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe someone here knows the font > and has a copy of it you can share with me. > www.redpillexpo.org > > Thanks, > Deb > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- --------------- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ ---- Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst --------------- Erd?s 4 From debchandler411 at gmail.com Fri May 31 20:00:04 2019 From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chris, Ahhh, the good ol' days, when I marked up the manuscript with a red pen, and sent it off to the typsetter via a bicycle courier through the streets of Boston, and a few days later, I'd get the tissue galleys, approve them, then receive the final photo papered ones, which I waxed and then attached to Illustration Board #80. (got the right number?) Brings back some great old memories... But alas, I need to use this font for the headlines and folios throughout a 16-page booklet, so your suggestion, albeit it a good one, won't cut the mustard this time. :-) Best, Deb On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:43 PM Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > There was a day long ago (30 odd years or so) when I could look at fonts > and ID them. Back then I > ran one of the early graphic arts service bureaus with a Linotronic > Imagesetter. Anyway, . . . > > If you are talking about that RED PILL EXPO as the logo, the typeface is > very simple. If you had a > good clear example of it, you could scan it, bring it into Adobe > Illustrator, and reproduce it (just > those words) in fairly short order. It's all straight lines with just a > few identical curves on the > R, D and P. Save that as an EPS file and you are set to go. > > > On 5/31/19 3:09 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: *Deborah Chandler* debchandler411 at gmail.com>> > > Date: Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM > > Subject: Re: * * * Font Identification * * * > > To: Hidden-Tech Tech > > > > > > > > Thank you to the 5 people who gave suggestions. The suggested sites > still don't recognize it. (A > > close font is Fake Plastic, a TT font, but after download, it would not > load into my fonts folder, > > gave me an error message.) > > > > If someone is willing to take a look at the font and try to ID it, I can > send it to you. (I just > > got scolded by the moderator, and my message was rejected, because I > attached the logo, and forgot > > that some folks have dial up and can't handle the file size.) > > I'd appreciate finding the font asap, as the job needs to go to the > printer by Monday. (And FYI, > > this is a pro bono job, and my client is a group of volunteers, so I > need this font to be free) > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Deborah Chandler < > debchandler411 at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a > program for which I need to use > > a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't > have a copy of it. > > > > This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so maybe > someone here knows the font > > and has a copy of it you can share with me. > > www.redpillexpo.org > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- > --------------- > > Chris Hoogendyk > > - > O__ ---- Systems Administrator > c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments > (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center > ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst > > > > --------------- > > Erd?s 4 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com Fri May 31 21:39:24 2019 From: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com (Annamarie Pluhar) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:39:24 -0400 Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Font Identification * * * In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8163DCB3-8C0D-4BA8-829E-4AC1ABFC1749@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com> HI there I see how difficult the problem is. I?m not a graphic artist but I got engaged. Can you open the attached file in Illustrator and trace one of the characters so that you can then use a font identifier? OR stop trying to use this font and use the ones that are being used on the website. I see Ubuntu Condensed among the usual. My two cents. Good luck. Annamarie On 31 May 2019, at 16:00, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Ahhh, the good ol' days, when I marked up the manuscript with a red > pen, > and sent it off to the typsetter via a bicycle courier through the > streets > of Boston, and a few days later, I'd get the tissue galleys, approve > them, > then receive the final photo papered ones, which I waxed and then > attached > to Illustration Board #80. (got the right number?) Brings back some > great > old memories... > > But alas, I need to use this font for the headlines and folios > throughout a > 16-page booklet, so your suggestion, albeit it a good one, won't cut > the > mustard this time. :-) > > Best, > Deb > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:43 PM Chris Hoogendyk > > wrote: > >> There was a day long ago (30 odd years or so) when I could look at >> fonts >> and ID them. Back then I >> ran one of the early graphic arts service bureaus with a Linotronic >> Imagesetter. Anyway, . . . >> >> If you are talking about that RED PILL EXPO as the logo, the typeface >> is >> very simple. If you had a >> good clear example of it, you could scan it, bring it into Adobe >> Illustrator, and reproduce it (just >> those words) in fairly short order. It's all straight lines with just >> a >> few identical curves on the >> R, D and P. Save that as an EPS file and you are set to go. >> >> >> On 5/31/19 3:09 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: *Deborah Chandler* > debchandler411 at gmail.com>> >>> Date: Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: * * * Font Identification * * * >>> To: Hidden-Tech Tech >> > >>> >>> >>> Thank you to the 5 people who gave suggestions. The suggested sites >> still don't recognize it. (A >>> close font is Fake Plastic, a TT font, but after download, it would >>> not >> load into my fonts folder, >>> gave me an error message.) >>> >>> If someone is willing to take a look at the font and try to ID it, I >>> can >> send it to you. (I just >>> got scolded by the moderator, and my message was rejected, because I >> attached the logo, and forgot >>> that some folks have dial up and can't handle the file size.) >>> I'd appreciate finding the font asap, as the job needs to go to the >> printer by Monday. (And FYI, >>> this is a pro bono job, and my client is a group of volunteers, so I >> need this font to be free) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Deb >>> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Deborah Chandler < >> debchandler411 at gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> What's the best site for identifying a font? I am designing a >> program for which I need to use >>> a font that is used in the client's logo, but the client doesn't >> have a copy of it. >>> >>> This is the client's website where you will see the logo, so >>> maybe >> someone here knows the font >>> and has a copy of it you can share with me. >>> www.redpillexpo.org >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Deb >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> >> -- >> --------------- >> >> Chris Hoogendyk >> >> - >> O__ ---- Systems Administrator >> c/ /'_ --- Biology & Geosciences Departments >> (*) \(*) -- 315 Morrill Science Center >> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst >> >> >> >> --------------- >> >> Erd?s 4 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion > list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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