From annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com  Mon Jul  1 11:53:48 2019
From: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com (Annamarie Pluhar)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Google Sheets Question
In-Reply-To: <0e0939fd81c3e0f9b40f41c6d1abed97@ptraining.com>
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Coming in late to the discussion?. I use Google sheets to manage work 
hours for a community garden.

NO ONE has the ability to change the actual worksheet that takes the 
data from the form and puts it into a worksheet, except me. They use the 
form to enter information. I have hidden this sheet so no one can see 
it, and have view only permissions for the two sheets where people can 
see their totals. I got a lot of help on the formulas from the Google 
Community.

If the owner is not tech-savvy, the person should delegate 
responsibility to manage the sheets to someone who is? Like the 
bookkeeper???

Dont? know if my method will work for you.

Annamarie

On 26 Jun 2019, at 19:34, dlesser--- via Hidden-discuss wrote:

> Good thinking. I will definitely try that. Thanks.
>
> On 2019-06-26 11:30 am, Alex at Just Peachy wrote:
>
>> Could you dig through the document revision history [1] to see when 
>> the changes happened? You should be able to see what was changed and 
>> by who.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alex
>>
>> Alex Martines
>> Just Peachy Web Design
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:09 PM dlesser--- via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. Excel On-Line doesn't allow macros and 
>> has some other limits to functionality that might preclude its use. I 
>> will look into forms, though I will need to be able to load previous 
>> data as well as look at and enter this week's.
>>
>> Still looking to see whether anyone has run into Google Sheets quirks 
>> that can cause this behavior. I don't like to be blaming my clients 
>> unless I am clear that they are causing the problem. Usually, I can 
>> educate them, but this particular one is hard--if they are causing 
>> the problem, they are not aware of it and so it is hard to suggest 
>> modifications to their behavior.
>>
>> On 2019-06-26 9:28 am, Garth Shaneyfelt wrote:
>>
>> Provided they are familiar with Excel (and sharing and 
>> formulas...etc).  In my experience, people can mess those up pretty 
>> well too!
>>
>> -Garth Shaneyfelt
>> Let's Create a Better World
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:18:01 AM EDT, Marla Michel via 
>> Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Excel online on OneDrive (for any operating system) enables multiple 
>> people to share/access/update workbooks online and skip the 
>> unfamiliar Google Sheets quirks.
>>
>> Excel: https://office.live.com/start/Excel.aspx
>> OneDrive: https://onedrive.live.com/
>> Tutorial: https://www.excel-easy.com/examples/onedrive.html
>>
>> Marla
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:11 AM dlesser--- via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> One last piece of info: she and most of her office are on Macs, if 
>> that makes a difference. I do not think she knows about keyboard 
>> shortcuts, but could be inadvertently using them.
>>
>> On 2019-06-26 6:05 am, dlesser at ptraining.com wrote:
>>
>> A question for the group.
>>
>> I have created a series of Google Sheets spreadsheets for a client. 
>> Her employees each fill out a timesheet, all of which are linked to a 
>> roll-up document that summarizes each week's payroll, etc. Each 
>> employee is linked to a separate sheet in the rollup sheet, which 
>> then uses some other sheets to summarize the payroll info. In my 
>> testing, these all work as designed all of the time.
>>
>> Over the past 3 months, I have had a number of issues where the 
>> formulas in the roll up sheets become disorganized. A link to F4 will 
>> turn into F187. I solved those problems by using Absolute values 
>> (e.g. $F$4) and they do not seem to have reoccured. i have protected 
>> some ranges, but since she is the owner, she can override the 
>> protection.
>>
>> This past week, two cells were overwritten by what looks like text 
>> from another part of the sheet (i.e., F4 and F15 were overwritten by 
>> text in F3 and F4). I do have a couple of scripts, but they simply 
>> copy the same named range each week and paste it as values on another 
>> sheet.
>>
>> My client si not very computer literate and is very awkward in using 
>> computers. I am attributing her problems to her inadvertent copy and 
>> pasting or moving cells since I cannot find any code or other way of 
>> making these changes except by a copy or move and paste or something 
>> similar.
>>
>> Does anyone else have these problems or any suggestions? I could do 
>> this in Excel with complete confidence that I can protect against any 
>> inadvertent changes, but Google Sheets is another beast entirely. We 
>> need to use Sheets because her office is distributed and everyone is 
>> on-line and not on a LAN.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. 
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From hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu  Mon Jul  8 02:26:34 2019
From: hoogendyk at bio.umass.edu (Chris Hoogendyk)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 22:26:34 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Getting US news in China
In-Reply-To: <1779382399.655098.1561666533028@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1779382399.655098.1561666533028@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <89368d6b-e4a6-87d4-3309-be7216dc34b8@bio.umass.edu>

I was in China for three weeks in March and April. I had a UMass owned loaner laptop that had all 
the standard UMass apps installed, including a vpn to UMass. Academics I know at Sichuan University 
also use vpn software to get out of China. I had the easy way out, but you should research vpn 
options and see what will work for you.


On 6/27/19 4:15 PM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Has anyone been to China recently?  I've heard that Google, the New York Times and the Washington Post are all blocked in China now.
>
> I'm going in the fall, and I really don't want to miss three whole weeks of our national drama and be bewildered when I come home.
>
> Even if you don't know much about the Chinese firewall, can anyone think of a reliable website for US news that is unlikely to be banned by the Chinese Government?  Maybe because it's small and obscure?
>
> I know there's something called a VPN that can sometimes get around the restrictions, but I fear I'm not techie enough to install that on my phone or laptop and troubleshoot it if it messes me up.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Marcia Yudkin
> www.yudkin.com
> Goshen
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Mon Jul  8 15:23:54 2019
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:23:54 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Getting US news in China
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Marcia, I know that when we visited China three years ago, people were
using VPNs. I have a friend who lived in China but has since relocated to
Canada. If you like, I will ask him how he did it. Let me know.

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On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM Chris Hoogendyk via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I was in China for three weeks in March and April. I had a UMass owned
> loaner laptop that had all
> the standard UMass apps installed, including a vpn to UMass. Academics I
> know at Sichuan University
> also use vpn software to get out of China. I had the easy way out, but you
> should research vpn
> options and see what will work for you.
>
>
> On 6/27/19 4:15 PM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > Has anyone been to China recently?  I've heard that Google, the New York
> Times and the Washington Post are all blocked in China now.
> >
> > I'm going in the fall, and I really don't want to miss three whole weeks
> of our national drama and be bewildered when I come home.
> >
> > Even if you don't know much about the Chinese firewall, can anyone think
> of a reliable website for US news that is unlikely to be banned by the
> Chinese Government?  Maybe because it's small and obscure?
> >
> > I know there's something called a VPN that can sometimes get around the
> restrictions, but I fear I'm not techie enough to install that on my phone
> or laptop and troubleshoot it if it messes me up.
> >
> > Thanks for any tips.
> >
> > Marcia Yudkin
> > www.yudkin.com
> > Goshen
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From mbtyke at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 21:27:24 2019
From: mbtyke at gmail.com (Michael Bishop)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:27:24 +0900
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Getting US news in China
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I have visited both Japan and China using ExpressVPN in both and it worked well. It was funny turning it on and off and seeing which different Netflix shows I had access to.

https://www.expressvpn.com/

You can sign up on a month-to-month basis if you like.

_ michael

> 
>> On 6/27/19 4:15 PM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> Has anyone been to China recently?  I've heard that Google, the New York Times and the Washington Post are all blocked in China now.
>> 
>> I'm going in the fall, and I really don't want to miss three whole weeks of our national drama and be bewildered when I come home.
>> 
>> Even if you don't know much about the Chinese firewall, can anyone think of a reliable website for US news that is unlikely to be banned by the Chinese Government?  Maybe because it's small and obscure?
>> 
>> I know there's something called a VPN that can sometimes get around the restrictions, but I fear I'm not techie enough to install that on my phone or laptop and troubleshoot it if it messes me up.
>> 
>> Thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> Marcia Yudkin
>> www.yudkin.com
>> Goshen
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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> ~~~~~~~~~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
> 
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> 
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From zach at peoplefirst.tech  Wed Jul 10 16:44:25 2019
From: zach at peoplefirst.tech (PeopleFirst Tech)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:44:25 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
Message-ID: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>

Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen
sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom
lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed
<https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/zoom-webcam-hacker-watching-you-vulnerability>
).

Further reading:
https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5

What to Do About It

Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video
when joining a meeting.?

OR

Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of
Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight,
first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called
Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get
a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of
numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9,
and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been
killed.

Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can.
Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse
simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.


? ? ?

*Zach Fried*

*PeopleFirst Tech Consulting* <https://peoplefirst.tech/>

Human-Focused Solutions
zach at peoplefirst.tech


By Appointment:

409 Main Street, Suite 214

Amherst, MA 01002

(413) 461-0617
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From michael at maputech.com  Wed Jul 10 21:30:21 2019
From: michael at maputech.com (Michael Klatsky)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:30:21 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>

Zach -

Thanks for sending that along.?

For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:

https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/



---
Sincerely,

Michael Klatsky
Devops and Technical Services
MapuTech


On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote:

Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed).?

Further reading:?https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5

What to Do About It

Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video when joining a meeting.?

OR

Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.

Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.


? ? ?
Zach Fried
PeopleFirst Tech Consulting
Human-Focused Solutions  
zach at peoplefirst.tech

By Appointment:
409 Main Street, Suite 214
Amherst, MA 01002
(413) 461-0617
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From val at valnelson.com  Thu Jul 11 04:42:17 2019
From: val at valnelson.com (Val Nelson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 00:42:17 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
Message-ID: <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>

The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was easy and it works great. 

~Val

..........................................

https://ValNelson.com

(Sent from phone. Please pardon brevity or typos. Thanks.)

On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Michael Klatsky via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

Zach -

Thanks for sending that along. 

For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:

https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/



---
Sincerely,

Michael Klatsky
Devops and Technical Services
MapuTech


> On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote:
> 
> Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed). 
> 
> Further reading: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5
> 
> What to Do About It
> 
> Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video when joining a meeting.?
> 
> OR
> 
> Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.
> 
> Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.
> 
> 
> ? ? ?
> Zach Fried
> PeopleFirst Tech Consulting
> Human-Focused Solutions 
> zach at peoplefirst.tech
> 
> By Appointment:
> 409 Main Street, Suite 214
> Amherst, MA 01002
> (413) 461-0617
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From eli at egwynn.com  Thu Jul 11 13:21:36 2019
From: eli at egwynn.com (Elijah Gwynn)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
 <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>
Message-ID: <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>

Amazingly Apple *also* released a fix ? silently ? which disables 
the Zoom web server even on Macs that haven't installed the Zoom patch.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/

Eli

On 11 Jul 2019, at 0:42, Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

> The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was 
> easy and it works great.
>
> ~Val
>
> ..........................................
>
> https://ValNelson.com
>
> (Sent from phone. Please pardon brevity or typos. Thanks.)
>
> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Michael Klatsky via Hidden-discuss 
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
> Zach -
>
> Thanks for sending that along.
>
> For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:
>
> https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/
>
>
>
> ---
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael Klatsky
> Devops and Technical Services
> MapuTech
>
>
>> On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss 
>> (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote:
>>
>> Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or 
>> screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws 
>> uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it 
>> (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed).
>>
>> Further reading: 
>> https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5
>>
>> What to Do About It
>>
>> Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off 
>> my video when joining a meeting.?
>>
>> OR
>>
>> Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of 
>> Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight 
>> tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the 
>> application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i 
>> :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath 
>> the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill 
>> -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID 
>> string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.
>>
>> Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the 
>> trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click 
>> your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?
>> Zach Fried
>> PeopleFirst Tech Consulting
>> Human-Focused Solutions
>> zach at peoplefirst.tech
>>
>> By Appointment:
>> 409 Main Street, Suite 214
>> Amherst, MA 01002
>> (413) 461-0617
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From ed at edbride-pr.com  Thu Jul 11 16:40:18 2019
From: ed at edbride-pr.com (ed at edbride-pr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:40:18 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
 <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>
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Message-ID: <006801d53807$538d3fb0$faa7bf10$@edbride-pr.com>

Does the fix self-install like some Microsoft updates, or do we need to go to Zoom for the update?

 

Ed

 

 

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On Behalf Of Elijah Gwynn via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:22 AM
To: Val Nelson <val at valnelson.com>
Cc: PeopleFirst Tech <zach at peoplefirst.tech>; Discussion List <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom

 

Amazingly Apple also released a fix ? silently ? which disables the Zoom web server even on Macs that haven't installed the Zoom patch.

 <https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/> https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/

Eli

On 11 Jul 2019, at 0:42, Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was easy and it works great. 

~Val

 

..........................................

 

https://ValNelson.com

 

(Sent from phone. Please pardon brevity or typos. Thanks.)


On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Michael Klatsky via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > wrote:

Zach -

 

Thanks for sending that along. 

 

For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:

 

https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/

 

 

 

---

Sincerely,

 

Michael Klatsky

Devops and Technical Services

MapuTech

 

 

On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> ) wrote:

Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed <https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/zoom-webcam-hacker-watching-you-vulnerability> ). 

 

Further reading: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5 

 


What to Do About It


Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video when joining a meeting.?

OR

Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.

Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.

 

? ? ?

Zach Fried

 <https://peoplefirst.tech/> PeopleFirst Tech Consulting

Human-Focused Solutions 
zach at peoplefirst.tech <mailto:zach at peoplefirst.tech> 

 

By Appointment:

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Amherst, MA 01002

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From rob at 2disc.com  Thu Jul 11 15:20:59 2019
From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:20:59 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
 <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>,
 <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB24815386537DD09079E3DD99E5F30@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

A few weeks ago my Mac Little Snitch security ap--which I recommend for all Mac users--caught that zoom ap trying to communicate with a zoom server from my Mac, and I blocked it and uninstalled zoom. Apparently uninstalling did not prevent the problem for Macs but Little Snitch would block all such connections once the rule is made. Little Snitch will show you just how much is communicated from your Mac to all kinds of external servers--quite a wake up call.


Best Regards,


Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO

DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money

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________________________________
From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> on behalf of Elijah Gwynn via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:21 AM
To: Val Nelson
Cc: PeopleFirst Tech; Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom


Amazingly Apple also released a fix ? silently ? which disables the Zoom web server even on Macs that haven't installed the Zoom patch.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/

Eli

On 11 Jul 2019, at 0:42, Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was easy and it works great.

~Val

..........................................

https://ValNelson.com

(Sent from phone. Please pardon brevity or typos. Thanks.)

On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Michael Klatsky via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:

Zach -

Thanks for sending that along.

For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:

https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/



---
Sincerely,

Michael Klatsky
Devops and Technical Services
MapuTech



On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>) wrote:

Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed<https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/zoom-webcam-hacker-watching-you-vulnerability>).

Further reading: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5

What to Do About It

Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video when joining a meeting.?

OR

Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.

Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.


? ? ?

Zach Fried

PeopleFirst Tech Consulting<https://peoplefirst.tech/>

Human-Focused Solutions
zach at peoplefirst.tech<mailto:zach at peoplefirst.tech>


By Appointment:

409 Main Street, Suite 214

Amherst, MA 01002

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From zach at peoplefirst.tech  Thu Jul 11 19:17:17 2019
From: zach at peoplefirst.tech (Zach Fried)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:17:17 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <006801d53807$538d3fb0$faa7bf10$@edbride-pr.com>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
 <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>
 <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>
 <006801d53807$538d3fb0$faa7bf10$@edbride-pr.com>
Message-ID: <9993D626-C464-44B7-9AA6-84E2D19A7829@peoplefirst.tech>

The Apple fix presumably self-installs, but I manually updated Zoom to run the patch. They fixed the most critical vulnerability and another update is expected this weekend.

Zach


> On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:40 PM, ed--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Does the fix self-install like some Microsoft updates, or do we need to go to Zoom for the update?
>  
> Ed
>  
>  
> From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On Behalf Of Elijah Gwynn via Hidden-discuss
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:22 AM
> To: Val Nelson <val at valnelson.com>
> Cc: PeopleFirst Tech <zach at peoplefirst.tech>; Discussion List <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
>  
> Amazingly Apple also released a fix ? silently ? which disables the Zoom web server even on Macs that haven't installed the Zoom patch.
> https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/ <https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/>
> Eli
> On 11 Jul 2019, at 0:42, Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was easy and it works great. 
>> 
>> ~Val
>>  
>> ..........................................
>>  
>> https://ValNelson.com <https://valnelson.com/>
>>  
>> (Sent from phone. Please pardon brevity or typos. Thanks.)
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Michael Klatsky via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Zach -
>>  
>> Thanks for sending that along. 
>>  
>> For those who need to use Zoom- an update has been released:
>>  
>> https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/ <https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2019/07/08/response-to-video-on-concern/>
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> ---
>> Sincerely,
>>  
>> Michael Klatsky
>> Devops and Technical Services
>> MapuTech
>>  
>>  
>> On July 10, 2019 at 1:57:01 PM, PeopleFirst Tech via Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>) wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you used the popular Zoom platform for videoconferencing or screen sharing? We primarily don't, but recent security flaws uncovered on Zoom lead us to suggest that you uninstall it (instructions courtesy of BuzzFeed <https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/zoom-webcam-hacker-watching-you-vulnerability>). 
>>>  
>>> Further reading: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5 <https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5>
>>>  
>>>> What to Do About It
>>>> 
>>>> Go to Zoom settings > Video, and under Meetings, enable ?Turn off my video when joining a meeting.?
>>>> 
>>>> OR
>>>> 
>>>> Get rid of the Zoom desktop app entirely. If you want to get ahead of Zoom?s patch, which the company said will be released by midnight tonight, first you need to shut down the web server. Open the application called Terminal. Copy and paste this text: lsof -i :19421. Press enter. You?ll get a string of mumbo jumbo. Underneath the text ?PID,? copy the string of numbers. Then type ?kill -9? (without the quotes), add a space after -9, and paste the PID string of numbers. Press enter. The server has been killed.
>>>> 
>>>> Drag the Zoom app, along with a folder titled ?.zoomus,? to the trash can. Then hover over the trash can, and press CONTROL and click your mouse simultaneously. Empty the trash can. Boom.
>>>> 
>>>  
>>> ? ? ?
>>> Zach Fried
>>> PeopleFirst Tech Consulting <https://peoplefirst.tech/>
>>> Human-Focused Solutions 
>>> zach at peoplefirst.tech <mailto:zach at peoplefirst.tech>
>>>  
>>> By Appointment:
>>> 409 Main Street, Suite 214
>>> Amherst, MA 01002
>>> (413) 461-0617
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From ed at edbride-pr.com  Thu Jul 11 19:28:23 2019
From: ed at edbride-pr.com (ed at edbride-pr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:28:23 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom
In-Reply-To: <9993D626-C464-44B7-9AA6-84E2D19A7829@peoplefirst.tech>
References: <CAA3T8-xG3OAu-tSSRrfsJmj33PyH6uGGtjHwoaPtvkbjpGtHdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <etPan.5d2658ed.218437d9.15d@maputech.com>
 <9E571CCC-72CC-42AC-AE94-6470548E00A0@valnelson.com>
 <D1DE17C5-A1E7-4404-80A1-84A978EA5BE0@egwynn.com>
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 <9993D626-C464-44B7-9AA6-84E2D19A7829@peoplefirst.tech>
Message-ID: <015b01d5381e$ceb37760$6c1a6620$@edbride-pr.com>

If I read correctly, this is only for Mac clients, correct?


Thanks,

Ed

 

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?emphasizing enterprise computing?

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From: Zach Fried <zach at peoplefirst.tech> 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 3:17 PM
To: ed at edbride-pr.com; ed--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom

 

The Apple fix presumably self-installs, but I manually updated Zoom to run the patch. They fixed the most critical vulnerability and another update is expected this weekend.

 

Zach

 

 

On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:40 PM, ed--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > wrote:

 

Does the fix self-install like some Microsoft updates, or do we need to go to Zoom for the update?

 

Ed

 

 

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> > On Behalf Of Elijah Gwynn via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:22 AM
To: Val Nelson <val at valnelson.com <mailto:val at valnelson.com> >
Cc: PeopleFirst Tech <zach at peoplefirst.tech <mailto:zach at peoplefirst.tech> >; Discussion List <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Major security flaw in Zoom

 

Amazingly Apple also released a fix ? silently ? which disables the Zoom web server even on Macs that haven't installed the Zoom patch.

 <https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/> https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/

Eli

On 11 Jul 2019, at 0:42, Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

The update alert showed up when I went in today and the switch was easy and it works great. 

~Val

 

 

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Tue Jul 16 18:51:57 2019
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Fwd: External Floppy Drives
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Message-ID: <c5103d35-9309-c38d-2ec1-02a10e913d0c@tnrglobal.com>

Pls reply-to Mik



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Subject: 	External Floppy Drives
Date: 	Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:47:57 -0400
From: 	Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
Organization: 	Montague WebWorks
To: 	hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net, Rich Roth <rich at tnrglobal.com>



Hey all,

We just moved our offices, and in the process I unearthed a few external 
micro floppy disc drives.

  * VST (for Mac)
  * Dell
  * Teac

None need power supplies. Power is from USB.

First come, first served.

Mik

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Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Tue Jul 16 19:21:25 2019
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 15:21:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking to borrow / make use of mini spot welder
Message-ID: <20190716192125.A169026C0164@sharky3.deepsoft.com>

I have two connections that need to be made in a toaster oven that cannot be 
soldered (the connections will likely get hot enough to melt solder).

The original connections appear to have been spot welded. I did some
websearches there appears to be something called a mini spot welder, generally
used by jewelery makers. Are there any jewelery makers down in the Valley with
a tool like this?


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From Charles at sohorganizer.com  Tue Jul 16 23:17:20 2019
From: Charles at sohorganizer.com (Charles at sohorganizer.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:17:20 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
Message-ID: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>

Hi All.
Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach someone
who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
I want to check off a bucket list item.

 

Thanks,

Charles

 

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From shelhoro at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 02:08:59 2019
From: shelhoro at gmail.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
In-Reply-To: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
References: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1aF3qftmeCj+bvYq6t1d84H0TUj9AzbHGf8EQYmBVRGA@mail.gmail.com>

See if you can track down Justina Golden. She coached Dar Williams when Dar
was living in the valley.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:17 PM Charles--- via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi All?
> Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach someone
> who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
> I want to check off a bucket list item.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.
>
> Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
> The SOHOrganizer
> Small Office / Home Office
> Administrative Support Services
>
> Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
> Cell:       617-797-7646                 Colrain, MA 01340
> Fax:         413-726-6821
>
> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
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From greg at gregcaulton.com  Wed Jul 17 10:35:45 2019
From: greg at gregcaulton.com (Greg Caulton)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
In-Reply-To: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
References: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
Message-ID: <F4A2B4F4-8EE0-4AC3-B8EE-8A6468A2E7BC@gregcaulton.com>

G?day Charles!

Anne Louise White who lives in Leverett but will also do house calls (if you have a piano handy) is amazing. She?s got to be the most supportive music teacher ever and she?ll work with you even if you can?t carry a tune in that bucket of yours.

Her website is annelouisewhite.com or you can call her at 413-658-4859

Greg :-)=
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> On Jul 16, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Charles--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All?
> Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach someone who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
> I want to check off a bucket list item.
>  
> Thanks,
> Charles
>  
> Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.
> Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
> The SOHOrganizer
> Small Office / Home Office
> Administrative Support Services
> 
> Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
> Cell:       617-797-7646                 Colrain, MA 01340
> Fax:         413-726-6821
> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Wed Jul 17 12:13:32 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh1aF3qftmeCj+bvYq6t1d84H0TUj9AzbHGf8EQYmBVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
 <CADG-Mh1aF3qftmeCj+bvYq6t1d84H0TUj9AzbHGf8EQYmBVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1390117274.858266.1563365612324@connect.xfinity.com>

I would second J.Golden. I was her student for a while.


> On July 16, 2019 at 10:08 PM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
>     See if you can track down Justina Golden. She coached Dar Williams when Dar was living in the valley.
> 
>     On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:17 PM Charles--- via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Hi All?
> >         Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach someone who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
> >         I want to check off a bucket list item.
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Thanks,
> > 
> >         Charles
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.
> > 
> >         Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
> >         The SOHOrganizer
> >         Small Office / Home Office
> >         Administrative Support Services
> > 
> >         Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
> >         Cell:       617-797-7646                 Colrain, MA 01340
> >         Fax:         413-726-6821
> > 
> >         P Please consider the environment before printing this email
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From sheldon at steadysales.com  Wed Jul 17 13:55:00 2019
From: sheldon at steadysales.com (Sheldon Snodgrass)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:55:00 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh1aF3qftmeCj+bvYq6t1d84H0TUj9AzbHGf8EQYmBVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
 <CADG-Mh1aF3qftmeCj+bvYq6t1d84H0TUj9AzbHGf8EQYmBVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADVtm2ANrEJXhSKYRGijxNUL+6i5KjWhH2YgTe0uMySmW=+gKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Charles,

Try, Sarah Clay, ( http://www.clayjazz.com/voice_lessons/ )  My daughter
loved her!
Sheldon

www.SteadySales.com <http://www.steadysales.com/>
413-244-2294
*Watch my sales lesson here*
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEJ_Hc5jik6CjuXpv2ITKRw?view_as=subscriber?sub_confirmation=1>



On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:29 AM Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> See if you can track down Justina Golden. She coached Dar Williams when
> Dar was living in the valley.
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:17 PM Charles--- via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi All?
>> Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach
>> someone who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
>> I want to check off a bucket list item.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.
>>
>> Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
>> The SOHOrganizer
>> Small Office / Home Office
>> Administrative Support Services
>>
>> Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
>> Cell:       617-797-7646                 Colrain, MA 01340
>> Fax:         413-726-6821
>>
>> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>>
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From Charles at sohorganizer.com  Wed Jul 17 14:38:19 2019
From: Charles at sohorganizer.com (Charles at sohorganizer.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Thank you for the responses for singing teachers
Message-ID: <008f01d53cad$477dc050$d67940f0$@sohorganizer.com>

Hi All,

Thank you so much for the many responses I received about singing teachers.

I will be reaching out to them over the next few days.

I'm really exciting about the possibility that I could actually learn how to
sing.

 

Thanks,

Charles

 

 

Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.

Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
The SOHOrganizer
Small Office / Home Office
Administrative Support Services

Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
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From greg at gregcaulton.com  Wed Jul 17 15:24:02 2019
From: greg at gregcaulton.com (Greg Caulton)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:24:02 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Singing teacher or coach wanted
In-Reply-To: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
References: <009901d53c2c$a2fe9ac0$e8fbd040$@sohorganizer.com>
Message-ID: <4A88BEC3-208F-4EC9-AC3C-978DEC7C338D@gregcaulton.com>

Charles, quite coincidentally I just discovered artistworks.com which (via my Jones Library card) gives me free access to a large number of instrument and two voice style lessons.

I?m going to use this in addition to my voice lessons.

Greg :-)=
______________________
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Creative Director, Patent Draftsman
www.gregcaulton.com
233 West Pelham Road
Shutesbury, MA 01072

Phone: 413-461-7096






> On Jul 16, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Charles--- via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All?
> Does anyone know a singing teacher that is able & willing to teach someone who is hopelessly tone deaf to sing?
> I want to check off a bucket list item.
>  
> Thanks,
> Charles
>  
> Helping those who LOVE their work, but HATE their paperwork.
> Charles D. Lappen, M.Ed.
> The SOHOrganizer
> Small Office / Home Office
> Administrative Support Services
> 
> Office:  413-624-5507                 1 Gilbert Drive
> Cell:       617-797-7646                 Colrain, MA 01340
> Fax:         413-726-6821
> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 14:18:45 2019
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:18:45 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Urgent need for real estate lawyer to file a
 "lis pendens" * * *
Message-ID: <CAGs6=wp1DCZZz43UkxoxPCSx4v98hWmHN0B5E7rbQTrBgSp3Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Does anyone know a real estate lawyer who is willing to appear in court in
Gloucester, MA, who is well-versed in lis pendens situations and also real
estate trusts.

Urgent need, so they must be available to work on this asap. Client is in
Westford, MA, but case would be filed in Gloucester, MA.

Please send contacts either on list or off. Please tell me what your
experience is with them.

Thanks very much,
Deborah Chandler
debchandler411 at gmail.com
(413) 588-7371
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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Fri Jul 19 17:45:39 2019
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:45:39 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Maker space being developed in Greenfield and
 Franklin County
Message-ID: <6104d01c-58e0-c5c2-fb58-bd291cd1f2b8@tnrglobal.com>

Actually while the drivers are in Greenfield, nothing about this is 
strictly north Pioneer valley, or Franklin county.

We'd like to heard from anyone interested at any level, just respond here:
https://forms.gle/Fd9QQgXHHtK8uzi47

Here is a quick summary, more at that link:

 >> The Hive will be a membership-based maker space in downtown 
Greenfield dedicated to supporting entrepreneurship and the
 >> creative economy. We will be equipped with prototyping and 
production equipment including .....

The form lets you say how much you are interested, so expressing 
interest doesn't mean helping out now,
although that would be great.?? Just expressing interest now with help 
drive the process, and keep you in the loop as the project develops.

-- 
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Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
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Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
And for relaxation:        http://www.welovemuseums.com
       http://www.artonmytv.com/
Helping move the world:             http://www.earththrives.com



From andrew at stakeholderscapital.com  Fri Jul 19 19:50:44 2019
From: andrew at stakeholderscapital.com (Andrew Bellak)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:50:44 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Urgent need for real estate lawyer to file
 a "lis pendens" * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wp1DCZZz43UkxoxPCSx4v98hWmHN0B5E7rbQTrBgSp3Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wp1DCZZz43UkxoxPCSx4v98hWmHN0B5E7rbQTrBgSp3Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a1b5c6ec-a4ff-0d5d-6ba8-c4cbf8d65ec5@stakeholderscapital.com>

Hi Deborah,

You could try Peter Ziomek in Amherst.

 ???? (413) 549-0080

 ??? Work ??? Peter at ziomeklaw.com


 ??? Work ??? 27 University Drive
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? Amherst MA 01002

Regards,

Andrew


On 7/19/2019 10:18 AM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Does anyone know a real estate lawyer who is willing to appear in 
> court in Gloucester, MA, who is well-versed in?lis pendens situations 
> and also real estate trusts.
>
> Urgent need, so they must be available to work on this asap. Client is 
> in Westford, MA, but case would be filed in Gloucester, MA.
>
> Please send contacts either on list or off. Please tell me what your 
> experience is with them.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Deborah Chandler
> debchandler411 at gmail.com <mailto:debchandler411 at gmail.com>
> (413) 588-7371
>
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From yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 20 15:27:28 2019
From: yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com (Marcia Yudkin)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:27:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
Message-ID: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as Baidu Maps.  I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app instructions.

In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a notice.  I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in order to post there.

Any suggestions on how to go about this?  I prefer someone based in Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.

Thank you.
Marcia Yudkin
marcia at yudkin.com

From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Mon Jul 22 23:22:21 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
In-Reply-To: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1859006637.968078.1563837741454@connect.xfinity.com>

You can call Sunderland Elementary School, I know they often hire Chinese interpreters to work with their students.

> On July 20, 2019 at 11:27 AM Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>     I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as Baidu Maps. I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app instructions.
> 
>     In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a notice. I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in order to post there.
> 
>     Any suggestions on how to go about this? I prefer someone based in Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.
> 
>     Thank you.
>     Marcia Yudkin
>     marcia at yudkin.com mailto:marcia at yudkin.com
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From bmoreinis at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 23:37:35 2019
From: bmoreinis at gmail.com (Bram Moreinis)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:37:35 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
In-Reply-To: <1859006637.968078.1563837741454@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1859006637.968078.1563837741454@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <77DD5D6F-0A41-41E0-8C63-C97D951D8969@gmail.com>

Try the Chinese immersion charter school in Hadley.

--
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845-750-2412 (txt)
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This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated.


> On Jul 22, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> You can call Sunderland Elementary School, I know they often hire Chinese interpreters to work with their students.
>> On July 20, 2019 at 11:27 AM Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as Baidu Maps. I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app instructions.
>> 
>> In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a notice. I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in order to post there.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to go about this? I prefer someone based in Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Marcia Yudkin
>> marcia at yudkin.com
>> _______________________________________________
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From rich at on-the-net.com  Tue Jul 23 00:18:59 2019
From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
In-Reply-To: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f37449a1-9dcb-b3d4-965e-a8a50712b6f6@tnrglobal.com>

We used this approach a number of years ago:
https://www.umass.edu/translation/translation-center-0

On 7/20/2019 11:27 AM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as Baidu Maps.  I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app instructions.
>
> In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a notice.  I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in order to post there.
>
> Any suggestions on how to go about this?  I prefer someone based in Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.
>
> Thank you.
> Marcia Yudkin
> marcia at yudkin.com
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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>

From marla.s.michel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 00:33:56 2019
From: marla.s.michel at gmail.com (Marla Michel)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
In-Reply-To: <f37449a1-9dcb-b3d4-965e-a8a50712b6f6@tnrglobal.com>
References: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
 <f37449a1-9dcb-b3d4-965e-a8a50712b6f6@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+dxjnBKkZ7F7SgFhU7SY-QTNa9TjOSVG3cYO9O+tZ16tXUTw@mail.gmail.com>

Microsoft Translator actually works quite well translating from Chinese to
English.

It's available in the App Store and Google Play Store and it is free.

Marla

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 8:24 PM Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> We used this approach a number of years ago:
> https://www.umass.edu/translation/translation-center-0
>
> On 7/20/2019 11:27 AM, Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college
> student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as
> Baidu Maps.  I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app
> instructions.
> >
> > In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a
> notice.  I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job
> board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in
> order to post there.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to go about this?  I prefer someone based in
> Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Marcia Yudkin
> > marcia at yudkin.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> >
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> list.
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> > page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
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> >
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From yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 23 08:53:29 2019
From: yudkinyudkin at yahoo.com (Marcia Yudkin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:53:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] How to hire a local college student?
In-Reply-To: <77DD5D6F-0A41-41E0-8C63-C97D951D8969@gmail.com>
References: <1184592889.2497498.1563636448091@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1859006637.968078.1563837741454@connect.xfinity.com>
 <77DD5D6F-0A41-41E0-8C63-C97D951D8969@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <314337127.3204067.1563872009116@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. Someone on the list was kind enough to refer me to a high school student who has exactly the qualifications I was looking for.

So I am all set on this now.
     On Monday, July 22, 2019, 7:37:38 PM EDT, Bram Moreinis <bmoreinis at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Try the Chinese immersion charter school in Hadley.

--Bram Moreinis845-750-2412 (txt)- - - -
This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated.





--Bram Moreinis845-750-2412 (txt)- - - -
This email was composed on a mobile device and may have been dictated.


On Jul 22, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:


 
You can call Sunderland Elementary School, I know they often hire Chinese interpreters to work with their students.

On July 20, 2019 at 11:27 AM Marcia Yudkin via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:


I'm looking to pay a native Chinese speaker who is probably a college student to help me understand how to use a few Chinese mobile apps, such as Baidu Maps. I know some Chinese but not quite enough to understand the app instructions.

In the old days, there were bulletin boards on which one could post a notice. I looked to see if Smith College had such an online casual job board, and it looks like you need to be a Smith student or employee in order to post there.

Any suggestions on how to go about this? I prefer someone based in Northampton, and it's just for a couple of hours.

Thank you.
Marcia Yudkin
marcia at yudkin.com
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Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net

You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
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From spencer at factastudio.com  Tue Jul 23 13:10:05 2019
From: spencer at factastudio.com (Spencer Sherman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Web development courses at GCC this fall
Message-ID: <CA+gw1cqN9seLRYbvd0o2H1napcvcyCZZwpFJMMUXNeJigL-p-g@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,

This fall, I?ll be teaching two beginner?s web development courses for
GCC?s Workforce Development in their downtown location. Both are
uncredited, require no web development background, and are open to anyone
who?s interested.

I?m a huge believer in continuing education and the job opportunities
coding can provide: my own career trajectory took a huge turn about ten
years ago, from marketing to web dev, after I took courses at the Boston
Center for Adult Education. That alone has opened countless doors for me -
including the ability to run a digital agency <https://factastudio.com/>
with some incredibly talented people out here in lovely Greenfield.

Course descriptions are below...please share with friends and fam!

WordPress 101 <https://noncredit.gcc.mass.edu/workshops/word-press-101/>

T/Th 10/8?10/24 ? 6:00?8:00pm

This course will teach you everything you need to know to create your own
self-hosted Wordpress.org website. You?ll learn the basics of setting up a
WordPress.org website, choosing a theme, customizing it, extending it with
plugins and widgets, configuring it for SEO, and maintaining it on an
ongoing basis. We will look at and edit a few lines of code, but no prior
coding experience is necessary, and all sessions will be geared toward
beginners. Each student will be provided with their own WordPress website
to work on for the purposes of learning and testing.


Shopify 101 <https://noncredit.gcc.mass.edu/workshops/shopify-101/>

T/Th 9/10?9/26 ? 6:00?8:00pm

There's a lot of reason to be excited about e-commerce and it's growth
potential in years to come, but what makes Shopify so unique is it's
capabilities as a platform, combined with the relative ease and
approachability for beginners. With Shopify, you have access to the same
e-commerce platform that Budweiser, New York Times and Black Dog use. By
the end of this course, you?ll know the basics of creating an e-commerce
business plan, starting a Shopify store, selling your product online, and
scaling it for future growth. No prior coding knowledge is needed. Each
student will be given their own unique Shopify development store to work on
for the purposes of learning and testing.


Thanks for your time,

Spencer

******

*Spencer Sherman*
principal / developer
*p*: 978-807-3714 <9788073714>  *e*: spencer at factastudio.com

*Facta Studio*
Mon-Fri: 8am - 6pm
factastudio.com
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From alan at 8wheels.org  Wed Jul 24 17:10:43 2019
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Understanding dynamic typeahead/autosuggest posts
Message-ID: <875ff9381917084de9f5b430db3496e1@8wheels.org>

I have been teaching myself PHP, JS, and web development with the help 
of a series of online searches.  In the modern world, it seems that the 
answer to every programming question is somewhere on the web.  And 
although 99% of the answers are clear, I have run into one question 
which has many answers and I don't understand any of them--they provide 
code, but I don't understand where to put it nor which elements of the 
answer need to be modified to work with my code.

Specifically, I am trying to do an autosuggest list--the user types BAR 
and the form automagically provides suggestions such as Barack Obama, 
Barbie Dolls, and bargain basement.  Everybody likes the 
Twitter/Bootstrap typeahead module and I have been able to get it to 
work with form elements created at page load time.  The issue is that I 
need to get it to work with dynamic elements (and worse, with elements 
that change whether they want this behavior based on radio button 
selection).  I have found several solutions to this problem:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22321101/twitter-typeahead-autocomplete-to-dynamically-added-inputs
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15094680/add-a-listener-to-an-element-that-is-dynamically-added/15094730#15094730
https://github.com/twitter/typeahead.js/issues/224
Good--I'm glad that the experts have run into this and figured out how 
to work around it.  I am looking for guidance on how to go the last few 
inches to actually making it work on my own page.  And the posts above 
are all several years old, so I'm guessing that trying to follow up 
there will not get much attention.

Thanks,

Alan

From lfeldscher at northamptonit.com  Wed Jul 24 15:52:05 2019
From: lfeldscher at northamptonit.com (Lee Feldscher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:52:05 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] constant contact and/or mailchimp experts
Message-ID: <ebe6e3b60eef45f59ac99c30558a0abc@WINHEXBEUS102.winus.mail>

I'm looking for recommendations for consultants who are well versed in using either constant contact or mailchimp or both. Thanks in advance.

Lee Feldscher
lfeldscher at northamptonit.com<mailto:lfeldscher at northamptonit.com>

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From the at otherrealm.org  Wed Jul 24 21:21:04 2019
From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:21:04 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Maker space being developed in Greenfield and
 Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <6104d01c-58e0-c5c2-fb58-bd291cd1f2b8@tnrglobal.com>
References: <6104d01c-58e0-c5c2-fb58-bd291cd1f2b8@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <ff492403-8940-0cfc-ae59-b33e1f909160@otherrealm.org>

Is the sudomakerspace that was around in 2017 and I believe was set up
by someone who worked for MakerBot still around?? I went to one of their
early meetings but have not been involved since, here is their Facebook?
https://www.facebook.com/greenfieldmakerspace/

Aaron E-J
The Other Realm LLC
http://otherrealm.org
http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)

On 2019-07-19 1:45 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Actually while the drivers are in Greenfield, nothing about this is
> strictly north Pioneer valley, or Franklin county.
>
> We'd like to heard from anyone interested at any level, just respond
> here:
> https://forms.gle/Fd9QQgXHHtK8uzi47
>
> Here is a quick summary, more at that link:
>
> >> The Hive will be a membership-based maker space in downtown
> Greenfield dedicated to supporting entrepreneurship and the
> >> creative economy. We will be equipped with prototyping and
> production equipment including .....
>
> The form lets you say how much you are interested, so expressing
> interest doesn't mean helping out now,
> although that would be great.?? Just expressing interest now with help
> drive the process, and keep you in the loop as the project develops.
>

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From rich at tnrglobal.com  Wed Jul 24 22:21:55 2019
From: rich at tnrglobal.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:21:55 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Maker space being developed in Greenfield and
 Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <ff492403-8940-0cfc-ae59-b33e1f909160@otherrealm.org>
References: <6104d01c-58e0-c5c2-fb58-bd291cd1f2b8@tnrglobal.com>
 <ff492403-8940-0cfc-ae59-b33e1f909160@otherrealm.org>
Message-ID: <b6ae590a-95e0-197d-74d5-bd8c8dcbda6d@tnrglobal.com>

I don't see a name there, based on the space pictures and the people 
shown, I believe he is part of the project.
I'll make sure.

If you are interested, make sure you fill the form (I don't get the 
survey/signup form so I don't tell if you already did)

Thanks, Rich

On 7/24/2019 5:21 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Is the sudomakerspace that was around in 2017 and I believe was set up 
> by someone who worked for MakerBot still around?? I went to one of 
> their early meetings but have not been involved since, here is their 
> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/greenfieldmakerspace/
> Aaron E-J
> The Other Realm LLC
> http://otherrealm.org
> http://theotherrealm.org  (Blog)
> On 2019-07-19 1:45 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> Actually while the drivers are in Greenfield, nothing about this is 
>> strictly north Pioneer valley, or Franklin county.
>>
>> We'd like to heard from anyone interested at any level, just respond 
>> here:
>> https://forms.gle/Fd9QQgXHHtK8uzi47
>>
>> Here is a quick summary, more at that link:
>>
>> >> The Hive will be a membership-based maker space in downtown 
>> Greenfield dedicated to supporting entrepreneurship and the
>> >> creative economy. We will be equipped with prototyping and 
>> production equipment including .....
>>
>> The form lets you say how much you are interested, so expressing 
>> interest doesn't mean helping out now,
>> although that would be great.?? Just expressing interest now with 
>> help drive the process, and keep you in the loop as the project 
>> develops.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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-- 
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CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
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From lapierre.adrienne at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 11:31:05 2019
From: lapierre.adrienne at gmail.com (Adrienne LaPierre)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:31:05 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Maker space being developed in Greenfield and
 Franklin County
In-Reply-To: <b6ae590a-95e0-197d-74d5-bd8c8dcbda6d@tnrglobal.com>
References: <6104d01c-58e0-c5c2-fb58-bd291cd1f2b8@tnrglobal.com>
 <ff492403-8940-0cfc-ae59-b33e1f909160@otherrealm.org>
 <b6ae590a-95e0-197d-74d5-bd8c8dcbda6d@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <CAA6CYqtV4MYz2=RwGKrUar7v_Tu6pKuGn-Zb_akjwrC0BENVyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Aaron,

I think you're referring to Eric's workshop
<http://www.digitallyfabbed.com/>. This is a different project and a
different team although there is some overlap between our contacts and
people who were involved in the conversations from 2017. In any event,
thanks for your interest! I'll be in touch off list with you and everyone
who filled out our survey
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdOXqTRNJOEgdjS76l-I8nrc3fLxfo33A8skUR9vYvp76tc0A/viewform>
.

Take care,
Adrienne



On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:25 PM Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I don't see a name there, based on the space pictures and the people
> shown, I believe he is part of the project.
> I'll make sure.
>
> If you are interested, make sure you fill the form (I don't get the
> survey/signup form so I don't tell if you already did)
>
> Thanks, Rich
> On 7/24/2019 5:21 PM, Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Is the sudomakerspace that was around in 2017 and I believe was set up by
> someone who worked for MakerBot still around?  I went to one of their early
> meetings but have not been involved since, here is their Facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/greenfieldmakerspace/
>
> Aaron E-J
> The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
>
> On 2019-07-19 1:45 PM, Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Actually while the drivers are in Greenfield, nothing about this is
> strictly north Pioneer valley, or Franklin county.
>
> We'd like to heard from anyone interested at any level, just respond here:
> https://forms.gle/Fd9QQgXHHtK8uzi47
>
> Here is a quick summary, more at that link:
>
> >> The Hive will be a membership-based maker space in downtown Greenfield
> dedicated to supporting entrepreneurship and the
> >> creative economy. We will be equipped with prototyping and production
> equipment including .....
>
> The form lets you say how much you are interested, so expressing interest
> doesn't mean helping out now,
> although that would be great.   Just expressing interest now with help
> drive the process, and keep you in the loop as the project develops.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
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> --
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> CEO TnR Global
>
> Bio and personal blog: http://rizbang.com
> Building the really big sites:      http://www.tnrglobal.com
> Small/Soho business in the PV:        http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Places to meet for business:        http://www.meetmewhere.com
> And for relaxation:        http://www.welovemuseums.com
>      http://www.artonmytv.com/
> Helping move the world:             http://www.earththrives.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Thu Jul 25 12:00:00 2019
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:00:00 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for social
 entrepreneurship website
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website. The body
text will be different depending on which headline I run with. Please tell
me why you chose the one you did. Additional suggestions or "I hate this
one" also welcome. How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable
Business? How Can Your Business Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY
Matter?And Thrive Financially?At the Same Time? Can Your Social and
Environmental Commitments Help Your Business Thrive? Can Being a Hero to
the Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable? ?How Can I
Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit?? How You Can Help the
World and Still Have a Profitable Business How Can You Help the World While
Building a Profitable Business How Can You Help the World While Building a
Thriving Business How Your Business Can Thrive as it Makes a Difference in
the World How Can Your Business Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the
World? How to Turn Your Social and Environmental Values into Profits ?How
Can I Turn My Social and Environmental Values into Profits??

Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable
Businesses

Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success

Social Justice, Planetary Healing?and PROFIT: Three Legs of Business Success

Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?

Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?

Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!

Change the World AND Make Good Profit!

Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
________________________________________________
Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
*http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
<http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>**
<http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>*
(move your mouse to "event videos")

Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change

Twitter: @shelhorowitz

* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame

http://goingbeyondsustainability.com
mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388
Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:
Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)

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From greg at gregcaulton.com  Thu Jul 25 13:36:10 2019
From: greg at gregcaulton.com (Greg Caulton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for social
 entrepreneurship website
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>

Shel ? that?s a lot to review (so I won?t).

You could try applying some ?rules? about headlines: shorter is better; don?t ask questions; sell the sizzle, not the sausage. 

Greg :-)=
______________________
Greg Caulton
Creative Director, Patent Draftsman
www.gregcaulton.com
233 West Pelham Road
Shutesbury, MA 01072

Phone: 413-461-7096






> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website. The body text will be different depending on which headline I run with. Please tell me why you chose the one you did. Additional suggestions or "I hate this one" also welcome.
> 
> How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business?
> How Can Your Business Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter?And Thrive Financially?At the Same Time?
> Can Your Social and Environmental Commitments Help Your Business Thrive?
> Can Being a Hero to the Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable?
> ?How Can I Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit??
> How You Can Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business
> How Can You Help the World While Building a Profitable Business
> How Can You Help the World While Building a Thriving Business
> How Your Business Can Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World
> How Can Your Business Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World?
> How to Turn Your Social and Environmental Values into Profits
> ?How Can I Turn My Social and Environmental Values into Profits??
> Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable Businesses
> Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success
> Social Justice, Planetary Healing?and PROFIT: Three Legs of Business Success
> Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?
> Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?
> Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!
> Change the World AND Make Good Profit!
> 
> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
> ________________________________________________
> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 <http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>  <http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809>
> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> 
> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, 
> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> 
> Twitter: @shelhorowitz
> 
> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
> 
> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com <http://goingbeyondsustainability.com/> 
> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com <mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com> * 413-586-2388 <tel:413-586-2388>
> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:
> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)
> 
> _________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From alan at 8wheels.org  Thu Jul 25 17:20:14 2019
From: alan at 8wheels.org (Alan Frank)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:20:14 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for social
 entrepreneurship website
In-Reply-To: <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>
References: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>
Message-ID: <d13afe919a45acd01488da12b25755b5@8wheels.org>

+1 on these two which are relatively succinct.  No particular preference 
between them.
How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business?
How You Can Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business

-1 on anything with "secret" which sounds like clickbait.

>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website.
>> The body text will be different depending on which headline I run
>> with. Please tell me why you chose the one you did. Additional
>> suggestions or "I hate this one" also welcome. How Can You Help the
>> World and Still Have a Profitable Business? How Can Your Business
>> Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter?And Thrive
>> Financially?At the Same Time? Can Your Social and Environmental
>> Commitments Help Your Business Thrive? Can Being a Hero to the
>> Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable? ?How Can
>> I Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit?? How You Can
>> Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business How Can You Help
>> the World While Building a Profitable Business How Can You Help the
>> World While Building a Thriving Business How Your Business Can
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World How Can Your Business
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World? How to Turn Your
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits ?How Can I Turn My
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits??
>> Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable
>> Businesses
>> Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success
>> Social Justice, Planetary Healing?and PROFIT: Three Legs of
>> Business Success
>> Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?
>> Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?
>> Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!
>> Change the World AND Make Good Profit!
>> 
>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
>> ________________________________________________
>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
>> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 [1]
>> (move your mouse to "event videos")
>> 
>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
>> 
>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
>> 
>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz
>> 
>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
>> 
>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com [2]
>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 [3]
>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:
>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad
>> Levinson)
>> 
>> _________________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> 
>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion
>> list.
>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
> [2] http://goingbeyondsustainability.com/
> [3] tel:413-586-2388
> [4] http://www.gregcaulton.com
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From stefan at healinghearts.com  Thu Jul 25 18:05:35 2019
From: stefan at healinghearts.com (Stefan Gonick)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:05:35 -0700
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
 socialentrepreneurship website
In-Reply-To: <d13afe919a45acd01488da12b25755b5@8wheels.org>
References: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>
 <d13afe919a45acd01488da12b25755b5@8wheels.org>
Message-ID: <8dcb987cd16745fda3aad55cb1099a77@healinghearts.com>

How to Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business
  
 A bit more succinct...
  
 or 
  
 How Your Business Can Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter...And Thrive Financially At the Same Time
  
 In general, I prefer statements to questions. It feels more like a promise being offered than a question being posed.
  
  
 Stefan

----------------------------------------
 From: "Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss" <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 1:33 PM
To: "Greg Caulton" <greg at gregcaulton.com>
Cc: "Hidden-Tech Tech" <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for socialentrepreneurship website   
+1 on these two which are relatively succinct. No particular preference
between them.
How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business?
How You Can Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business

-1 on anything with "secret" which sounds like clickbait.

>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website.
>> The body text will be different depending on which headline I run
>> with. Please tell me why you chose the one you did. Additional
>> suggestions or "I hate this one" also welcome. How Can You Help the
>> World and Still Have a Profitable Business? How Can Your Business
>> Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter-And Thrive
>> Financially-At the Same Time? Can Your Social and Environmental
>> Commitments Help Your Business Thrive? Can Being a Hero to the
>> Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable? "How Can
>> I Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit?" How You Can
>> Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business How Can You Help
>> the World While Building a Profitable Business How Can You Help the
>> World While Building a Thriving Business How Your Business Can
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World How Can Your Business
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World? How to Turn Your
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits "How Can I Turn My
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits?"
>> Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable
>> Businesses
>> Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success
>> Social Justice, Planetary Healing-and PROFIT: Three Legs of
>> Business Success
>> Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?
>> Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?
>> Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!
>> Change the World AND Make Good Profit!
>>
>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
>> ________________________________________________
>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
>> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 [1]
>> (move your mouse to "event videos")
>>
>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
>>
>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
>>
>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz
>>
>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
>>
>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com [2]
>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 [3]
>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:
>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad
>> Levinson)
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>
>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion
>> list.
>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members
>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
> [2] http://goingbeyondsustainability.com/
> [3] tel:413-586-2388
> [4] http://www.gregcaulton.com
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From dlesser at ptraining.com  Thu Jul 25 18:18:55 2019
From: dlesser at ptraining.com (dlesser at ptraining.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
 socialentrepreneurship website
In-Reply-To: <8dcb987cd16745fda3aad55cb1099a77@healinghearts.com>
References: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>
 <d13afe919a45acd01488da12b25755b5@8wheels.org>
 <8dcb987cd16745fda3aad55cb1099a77@healinghearts.com>
Message-ID: <006101d54315$6c50da70$44f28f50$@ptraining.com>

How to Help the World and Still Be Profitable

 

("Business" is assumed by "profitable.")

 

 

 

Don Lesser

139B Damon Road

Northampton, MA 01060

dlesser at ptraining.com <mailto:dlesser at ptraining.com> 

413 387-1040

 

From: Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> On
Behalf Of Stefan Gonick via Hidden-discuss
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 2:06 PM
To: Greg Caulton <greg at gregcaulton.com>; Alan Frank <alan at 8wheels.org>
Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
socialentrepreneurship website

 

How to Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business

 

A bit more succinct...

 

or 

 

How Your Business Can Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY
Matter...And Thrive Financially At the Same Time

 

In general, I prefer statements to questions. It feels more like a promise
being offered than a question being posed.

 

 

Stefan

  _____  

From: "Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss" <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 1:33 PM
To: "Greg Caulton" <greg at gregcaulton.com <mailto:greg at gregcaulton.com> >
Cc: "Hidden-Tech Tech" <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> >
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
socialentrepreneurship website 

 

+1 on these two which are relatively succinct. No particular preference
between them.
How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business?
How You Can Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business

-1 on anything with "secret" which sounds like clickbait.

>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
<mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > wrote:
>>
>> Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website.
>> The body text will be different depending on which headline I run
>> with. Please tell me why you chose the one you did. Additional
>> suggestions or "I hate this one" also welcome. How Can You Help the
>> World and Still Have a Profitable Business? How Can Your Business
>> Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter-And Thrive
>> Financially-At the Same Time? Can Your Social and Environmental
>> Commitments Help Your Business Thrive? Can Being a Hero to the
>> Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable? "How Can
>> I Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit?" How You Can
>> Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business How Can You Help
>> the World While Building a Profitable Business How Can You Help the
>> World While Building a Thriving Business How Your Business Can
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World How Can Your Business
>> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World? How to Turn Your
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits "How Can I Turn My
>> Social and Environmental Values into Profits?"
>> Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable
>> Businesses
>> Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success
>> Social Justice, Planetary Healing-and PROFIT: Three Legs of
>> Business Success
>> Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?
>> Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?
>> Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!
>> Change the World AND Make Good Profit!
>>
>> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
>> ________________________________________________
>> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
>> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
>> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 [1]
>> (move your mouse to "event videos")
>>
>> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
>>
>> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
>>
>> Twitter: @shelhorowitz
>>
>> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
>> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
>>
>> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com [2]
>> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com * 413-586-2388 [3]
>> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:
>> Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad
>> Levinson)
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
<mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> 
>>
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>> list.
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>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.
>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809
> [2] http://goingbeyondsustainability.com/
> [3] tel:413-586-2388
> [4] http://www.gregcaulton.com
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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 18:34:08 2019
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Smartphone to ethernet connection * * *
Message-ID: <CAGs6=wpoKKhhaOa3j7_XC8rZdb28YZH4Edcqp=7MBsAxa5vAJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Does anyone have expertise in connecting a Samsung Galaxy S8+ smart phone
to a hardwired ethernet connection via an adapter? I have confirmed it is
possible for this model phone, but now I need the right brand of USB-C
adapter. I bought a Belkin brand one but alas, it is not compatible with
*any* cellphones.

I just got off the phone with Samsung tech support and the guy says the
"AllEasy" brand of adapter will work with my phone, but alas, it looks only
available at Amazon and they're out of stock indefinitely. See
https://www.amazon.com/AllEasy-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Aluminium-Indicator/dp/B074V4B8B8


I need to hardwire my phone asap due to worsening symptoms being around the
wireless signals. I had someone come to my house last week and his EMF
measuring devices went sky high when near my cellphone and modem. I have
already shut off the wifi at the modem and the "bridge", and use my laptop
with an ethernet cable. I see a difference in symptoms already.

And if you have a proper adapter available, even if it's used but working
fine, please let me know what price you'd like for it.

I am going to call the fine folks at LessEMF now, and see if they carry
this item.

And please let me know if you are someone who is also developing these
sensitivities and would like to learn/share more.

Thanks,
Deb
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From hjflood at mediaspectrum.net  Thu Jul 25 19:14:41 2019
From: hjflood at mediaspectrum.net (Harry Flood)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:14:41 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
 socialentrepreneurship website
In-Reply-To: <006101d54315$6c50da70$44f28f50$@ptraining.com>
References: <CADG-Mh0A72NpTZP2arAj0=g04nGd-B_iNVv6QgAeKfK+iUXhaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <B67E6662-268F-4CE7-93B1-61125BCE074A@gregcaulton.com>
 <d13afe919a45acd01488da12b25755b5@8wheels.org>
 <8dcb987cd16745fda3aad55cb1099a77@healinghearts.com>
 <006101d54315$6c50da70$44f28f50$@ptraining.com>
Message-ID: <CAAg+yd_eiVG3t-AWmrHKMJ+J=xMU+rCCvQ2Hs86QzW8bs=ekMg@mail.gmail.com>

May be picky but stylistically I have never liked seeing all the words in a
caption capitalized. Maybe took too many English classes, lol.

Harry

Harry J Flood
CFO, Mediaspectrum, Inc.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:05 PM dlesser--- via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> How to Help the World and Still Be Profitable
>
>
>
> (?Business? is assumed by ?profitable.?)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Lesser
>
> 139B Damon Road
>
> Northampton, MA 01060
>
> dlesser at ptraining.com
>
> 413 387-1040
>
>
>
> *From:* Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Stefan Gonick via Hidden-discuss
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2019 2:06 PM
> *To:* Greg Caulton <greg at gregcaulton.com>; Alan Frank <alan at 8wheels.org>
> *Cc:* Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
> socialentrepreneurship website
>
>
>
> How to Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business
>
>
>
> A bit more succinct...
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> How Your Business Can Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY
> Matter...And Thrive Financially At the Same Time
>
>
>
> In general, I prefer statements to questions. It feels more like a promise
> being offered than a question being posed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Stefan
> ------------------------------
>
> *From*: "Alan Frank via Hidden-discuss" <
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> *Sent*: Thursday, July 25, 2019 1:33 PM
> *To*: "Greg Caulton" <greg at gregcaulton.com>
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> *Subject*: Re: [Hidden-tech] Looking for feedback on headline for
> socialentrepreneurship website
>
>
>
> +1 on these two which are relatively succinct. No particular preference
> between them.
> How Can You Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business?
> How You Can Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business
>
> -1 on anything with "secret" which sounds like clickbait.
>
> >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Shel Horowitz via Hidden-discuss
> >> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Looking for feedback on the new lead headline for my main website.
> >> The body text will be different depending on which headline I run
> >> with. Please tell me why you chose the one you did. Additional
> >> suggestions or "I hate this one" also welcome. How Can You Help the
> >> World and Still Have a Profitable Business? How Can Your Business
> >> Make a Difference on the Things that REALLY Matter?And Thrive
> >> Financially?At the Same Time? Can Your Social and Environmental
> >> Commitments Help Your Business Thrive? Can Being a Hero to the
> >> Planet and Its People Make Your Business More Profitable? ?How Can
> >> I Make a Difference in the World AND A Good Profit?? How You Can
> >> Help the World and Still Have a Profitable Business How Can You Help
> >> the World While Building a Profitable Business How Can You Help the
> >> World While Building a Thriving Business How Your Business Can
> >> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World How Can Your Business
> >> Thrive as it Makes a Difference in the World? How to Turn Your
> >> Social and Environmental Values into Profits ?How Can I Turn My
> >> Social and Environmental Values into Profits??
> >> Social Entrepreneurship: The Surprising Secret of So Many Profitable
> >> Businesses
> >> Social Entrepreneurship: A Surprising Secret of Business Success
> >> Social Justice, Planetary Healing?and PROFIT: Three Legs of
> >> Business Success
> >> Are You a SECRET Social Entrepreneur?
> >> Why are you Keeping Your Social Entrepreneurship a Secret?
> >> Change the World AND Create a Thriving Business!
> >> Change the World AND Make Good Profit!
> >>
> >> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)
> >> ________________________________________________
> >> Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,
> >> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"
> >> http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809 [1]
> >> (move your mouse to "event videos")
> >>
> >> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,
> >>
> >> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change
> >>
> >> Twitter: @shelhorowitz
> >>
> >> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified
> >> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame
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> >> http://goingbeyondsustainability.com [2]
> >> mailto:shel at greenandprofitable.com <shel at greenandprofitable.com> *
> 413-586-2388 [3]
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From jwerner at jwdp.com  Fri Jul 26 11:36:08 2019
From: jwerner at jwdp.com (Jan Werner)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Smartphone to ethernet connection * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wpoKKhhaOa3j7_XC8rZdb28YZH4Edcqp=7MBsAxa5vAJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wpoKKhhaOa3j7_XC8rZdb28YZH4Edcqp=7MBsAxa5vAJg@mail.gmail.com>
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Amazon lists many such adapters. Search the Q&A and ratings for "Samsung" for any of them 
to see if other buyers report success with a Samsung phone.

Doing that on this adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4S587K shows someone who uses it 
with a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, so it should work with your Galaxy 8+.

Jan Werner
________________

Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Does anyone have expertise in connecting a Samsung Galaxy S8+ smart phone to a hardwired 
> ethernet connection via an adapter? I have confirmed it is possible for this model phone, 
> but now I need the right brand of USB-C adapter. I bought a Belkin brand one but alas, it 
> is not compatible with *any* cellphones.
> 
> I just got off the phone with Samsung tech support and the guy says the "AllEasy" brand of 
> adapter will work with my phone, but alas, it looks only available at Amazon and they're 
> out of stock indefinitely. See 
> https://www.amazon.com/AllEasy-Thunderbolt-Compatible-Aluminium-Indicator/dp/B074V4B8B8
> 
> I need to hardwire my phone asap due to worsening symptoms being around the wireless 
> signals. I had someone come to my house last week and his EMF measuring devices went sky 
> high when near my cellphone and modem. I have already shut off the wifi at the modem and 
> the "bridge", and use my laptop with an ethernet cable. I see a difference in symptoms 
> already.> 
> And if you have a proper adapter available, even if it's used but working fine, please let 
> me know what price you'd like for it.
> 
> I am going to call the fine folks at LessEMF now, and see if they carry this item.
> 
> And please let me know if you are someone who is also developing these sensitivities and 
> would like to learn/share more.
> 
> Thanks,
> Deb
> 
> 
> 
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From rob at 2disc.com  Fri Jul 26 13:35:13 2019
From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:35:13 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Hi HTers,

10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.

I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for bank recommendations.

Some of the ESB failings are:


  *   When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
  *   Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
  *   Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.

ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, denied my request for compensation in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.

Again, I?d be grateful for Greenfield-local recommendations for a new bank, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.


Best Regards,


Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO

DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money

413-584-6500

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From heller at deepsoft.com  Fri Jul 26 14:51:47 2019
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
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At Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:35:13 +0000 Rob Laporte <rob at 2disc.com> wrote:

> 
> Content-Language: en-US
> 
> 
> ---Executing: recode
> Hi HTers,
> 

> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and
> personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor
> tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable,
> has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
> 
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I????d be grateful for bank
> recommendations.
> 
> Some of the ESB failings are:
> 
> 
>   *   When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>   *   Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>   *   Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
> 
> ESB????s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, denied my request for compensation in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
> 
> Again, I????d be grateful for Greenfield-local recommendations for a new bank, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.

Greenfield Savings Bank. I have had *zero* problems. Free checking (that is
their *big* selling point). Friendly and *helpful* customer service, and they
readily *forgive* overdraft charges if you call them and explain the situation
involved.

> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
> 
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
> 
> 413-584-6500
> 
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> 
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From krystyobolyte at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 15:01:10 2019
From: krystyobolyte at gmail.com (Kristi)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:01:10 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPg8hJFsWDQR8XKmYVAOxzPf1ybWxP06AgrZX5YfyOy1_wYRWA@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using Greenfield Savings Bank for about 5 years now with great
service.

Kristi A. Bodin
Montague, MA
c: 413-695-9848
krystyobolyte at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristibodin
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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:07 AM Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi HTers,
>
> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and
> personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor
> tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable,
> has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
>
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for
> bank recommendations.
>
> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>
>
>    - When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter
>    all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new
>    systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>    - Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>    work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the
>    customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>    - Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>    $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed
>    threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
>
>
> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, *denied my request
> for compensation* in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo
> business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership
> of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
>
> Again, I?d be grateful for *Greenfield-local recommendations for a new
> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank
> tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
>
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>
> 413-584-6500
>
> rob at 2disc.com
>
> www.2disc.com
>
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> don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>
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From noah at born-digital.com  Fri Jul 26 17:40:23 2019
From: noah at born-digital.com (Noah Smith)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAPg8hJFsWDQR8XKmYVAOxzPf1ybWxP06AgrZX5YfyOy1_wYRWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGPkE=7tY6Zdkhw_Nj=RYB9kfcoJPTk+v__OVzG7G90Hx2+9oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Another endorsement for GSB from us!


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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 11:29 AM Kristi via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I've been using Greenfield Savings Bank for about 5 years now with great
> service.
>
> Kristi A. Bodin
> Montague, MA
> c: 413-695-9848
> krystyobolyte at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristibodin
> https://twitter.com/KABESQ
> http://KABESQ.com
> Legal Solutions in Plain English
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:07 AM Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi HTers,
>>
>> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business
>> and personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years
>> poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost
>> billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
>>
>> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for
>> bank recommendations.
>>
>> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>>
>>
>>    - When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter
>>    all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new
>>    systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>>    - Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>>    work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the
>>    customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>>    - Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>>    $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed
>>    threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
>>
>>
>> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, *denied my request
>> for compensation* in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo
>> business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership
>> of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
>>
>> Again, I?d be grateful for *Greenfield-local recommendations for a new
>> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank
>> tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
>>
>> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>>
>> 413-584-6500
>>
>> rob at 2disc.com
>>
>> www.2disc.com
>>
>> *NOTE:* Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you
>> don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>>
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From aleda at sitesinmotion.com  Fri Jul 26 17:53:56 2019
From: aleda at sitesinmotion.com (Aleda Jonquil)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:53:56 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <B7C6321B-F3C1-4B6B-B0A9-6EC3A45BD760@sitesinmotion.com>

I know you?re looking for Greenfield, but I?ve found Florence Bank in Northampton to be the best bank around. 


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi HTers,
> 
> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
> 
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for bank recommendations. 
> 
> Some of the ESB failings are:
> 
> When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
> Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
> Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
> 
> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, denied my request for compensation in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
> 
> Again, I?d be grateful for Greenfield-local recommendations for a new bank, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
> 413-584-6500
> rob at 2disc.com <mailto:rob at 2disc.com>
> www.2disc.com <https://www.2disc.com/>
> 
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From rich at on-the-net.com  Fri Jul 26 18:54:07 2019
From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:54:07 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <B7C6321B-F3C1-4B6B-B0A9-6EC3A45BD760@sitesinmotion.com>
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 <B7C6321B-F3C1-4B6B-B0A9-6EC3A45BD760@sitesinmotion.com>
Message-ID: <4ae8ed64-d645-7e63-2c2c-f4473992b7af@on-the-net.com>

I've had some good experience with Florence going back 10 years or so

Overall our experience with GSB has been excellent, you might go direct 
to John Howland and work from there.
Our latest business experience as been with AJ

Rich

On 7/26/2019 1:53 PM, Aleda Jonquil via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> I know you?re looking for Greenfield, but I?ve found Florence Bank in 
> Northampton to be the best bank around.
>
>
>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss 
>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
>> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi HTers,
>>
>> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for 
>> business and personal because I prefer going local, but during the 
>> last two years poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm 
>> ~$1800 of lost billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in 
>> Greenfield.
>>
>> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful 
>> for bank recommendations.
>>
>> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>>
>>   * When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to
>>     re-enter all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying
>>     in double the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>>   * Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>>     work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of
>>     security on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've
>>     use.
>>   * Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>>     $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this
>>     prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800)
>>     being late less than a month.
>>
>>
>> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly,*denied my 
>> request for compensation*in the form of some months of free use of 
>> our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest 
>> lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future 
>> problems are likely.
>>
>> Again, I?d be grateful for*Greenfield-local recommendations for a new 
>> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in 
>> bank tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rob Laporte| SEO Specialist, CEO
>> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>> 413-584-6500
>> rob at 2disc.com <mailto:rob at 2disc.com>
>> www.2disc.com <https://www.2disc.com/>
>>
>> *NOTE:*?Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If 
>> you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>>
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From lightening48 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 18:54:17 2019
From: lightening48 at gmail.com (Greg .)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:54:17 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Looking for a "senior" full-stack dev for upcoming
 project
Message-ID: <CAHKNKH9M8YNphKd3KLhi-NBs2AYqjQuFUW-wByhRMiU6bRse3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I own a dev agency and am currently in the process of quoting out a large
project.

I'm looking to interview several developers to bring onto the project if it
moves forward. I would need about 30 minutes of your time to discuss your
knowledge, look at some of your past work, and see if we both feel it's a
good fit.

Pay is flexible and we can discuss this on our call.

My needs:

   - Strong understanding of non-relational databases
   - Strong understanding of Node
   - Strong understanding of React or Vue
   - Strong work ethic & ability to work with teams (we'll be functioning
   on tight deadlines - and looking at a small team of 2-4 people)
   - Strong understanding of AWS and has deployed projects there before

This project is only for those who have a lot of experience under their
belts and are comfortable jumping into semi-complex projects and getting
them done well and on time. There will be potential for ongoing work to
maintain this project if interested.

If you know someone who may be interested, let me know! If you yourself are
interested, please contact me at 212-323-9557.

Thanks,

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From tessgadwa at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 23:09:31 2019
From: tessgadwa at gmail.com (Tess Gadwa)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:09:31 -0700
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOJVQcu8oShF_uzfxHftGnbzLBW5aNOSASt0JXX6aqzdwDbJfg@mail.gmail.com>

I am in Portland, Oregon these days, and Greenfield Savings Bank is still
my personal bank of choice. The reason is simple: they are largish
(numerous branches throughout the area) and you can always get a live
customer service person on the phone. No phone trees. Try getting that with
a national bank.

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 7:07 AM Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi HTers,
>
> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and
> personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor
> tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable,
> has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
>
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for
> bank recommendations.
>
> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>
>
>    - When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter
>    all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new
>    systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>    - Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>    work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the
>    customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>    - Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>    $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed
>    threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
>
>
> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, *denied my request
> for compensation* in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo
> business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership
> of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
>
> Again, I?d be grateful for *Greenfield-local recommendations for a new
> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank
> tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
>
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>
> 413-584-6500
>
> rob at 2disc.com
>
> www.2disc.com
>
> *NOTE:* Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you
> don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>
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> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From shel at principledprofit.com  Fri Jul 26 23:57:27 2019
From: shel at principledprofit.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:57:27 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh1d8saH5MX_i35Tp=D6-E4J3r2Shxcb3ntmyLZFD94uAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Rob,

I have had an account with Northampton Coop, now absorbed by Greenfield
Coop, since 1982. My business needs are simpler than yours, but I have had
no issues in 37 years.

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:35 AM Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi HTers,
>
> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and
> personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor
> tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable,
> has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
>
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for
> bank recommendations.
>
> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>
>
>    - When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter
>    all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new
>    systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>    - Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>    work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the
>    customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>    - Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>    $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed
>    threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.
>
>
> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, *denied my request
> for compensation* in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo
> business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership
> of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.
>
> Again, I?d be grateful for *Greenfield-local recommendations for a new
> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank
> tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO
>
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>
> 413-584-6500
>
> rob at 2disc.com
>
> www.2disc.com
>
> *NOTE:* Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If you
> don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From ht at charlemontwebworks.com  Sat Jul 27 21:32:28 2019
From: ht at charlemontwebworks.com (Cheryl Handsaker)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 17:32:28 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5D3CC2EC.5020407@charlemontwebworks.com>

We've been with Greenfield Cooperative for 25 years and it's been 
smooth. Clearly, Greendfield Savings Bank has a great reputation locally 
but I had a mortgage deal go horribly wrong with them years and years 
ago and I haven't been able to recommend them since.



On 7/26/19 9:35 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi HTers,
>
> 10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business 
> and personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two 
> years poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of 
> lost billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.
>
> I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for 
> bank recommendations.
>
> *Some of the ESB failings are:*
>
>   * When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter
>     all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double
>     the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
>   * Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to
>     work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security
>     on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
>   * Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by
>     $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this
>     prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being
>     late less than a month.
>
>
> ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, *denied my 
> request for compensation* in the form of some months of free use of 
> our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest 
> lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future 
> problems are likely.
>
> Again, I?d be grateful for *Greenfield-local recommendations for a new 
> bank*, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank 
> tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Rob Laporte| SEO Specialist, CEO
>
> DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money
>
> 413-584-6500
>
> rob at 2disc.com <mailto:rob at 2disc.com>
>
> www.2disc.com <https://www.2disc.com/>
>
>
> *NOTE:* Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. If 
> you don?t get a reply within an expected span of time, please call.
>
>
>
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 16:15:50 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 12:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
Message-ID: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>

Greetings:

Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard drive?  I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or anything.  The folder and and all the documents it contained have disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.  Any thoughts?

Claire
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 18:00:49 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 14:00:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1856717720.2965.1564336849858@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi Shel,
Thanks, yes I scoured the search function, used every possible clue, and checked all the histories, and it is like this folder and all of its documents never existed. I got into Terminal and searched the temporary folder, and it looks like a root folder might be missing. I don't know enough to dig any deeper than that. I wonder if I somehow put an entire root folder in the trash.


> On July 28, 2019 at 1:44 PM Shel Horowitz <shelhoro at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.
> 
>     And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.
> 
>     On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Greetings:
> > 
> >         Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard drive?  I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or anything.  The folder and and all the documents it contained have disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.  Any thoughts?
> > 
> >         Claire
> > 
> >         _______________________________________________
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> >         Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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From shelhoro at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 17:44:06 2019
From: shelhoro at gmail.com (Shel Horowitz)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows
up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally
renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.

And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an
application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several
years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> drive?  I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or
> anything.  The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.  Any
> thoughts?
>
> Claire
> _______________________________________________
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From annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com  Sun Jul 28 19:12:13 2019
From: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com (Annamarie Pluhar)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:12:13 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com>

Look for it in your Time Machine backup. You do have one, don?t you?

Annamarie

P.S. Any chance it decided to be in your iCloud account?


On 28 Jul 2019, at 12:15, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard 
> drive?  I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash 
> or anything.  The folder and and all the documents it contained have 
> disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.  
> Any thoughts?
>
> Claire_______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion 
> list.
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Sun Jul 28 19:02:31 2019
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com> 
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com>

At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400 shel at principledprofit.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows
> up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally
> renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.
> 
> And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an
> application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several
> years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.

Two other possibilities:

Could you have *somehow* renamed the folder to have a period as its first
character? Files and directories whose names start with a period (under
UNIX/Posix O/Ss) are considered "hidden" and don't show up under "normal"
conditions.  (MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood.)

Secondly, Since MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood, you also have this 
option:

Open a Terminal (yes, I know were are entering the totally scary (?) world of 
the command like) and enter (with the keyboard!):

find -name "*one of your missing document names*"

(The '"' and '*' are needed -- I am guessing your documents have "funny" 
characters, like spaces in them and you probably have no clue about the 
document's "suffix".)  Don't forget to press ENTER and the end of the command. 

You can also try:

ls -A

(The find command recursively traverses your directory tree, the ls command 
with the -A open will show hidden files and directories.)

Also, my MacMini has the locate command (I don't know if that is a standard 
feature of MacOSX or if I installed it as an after market thing, maybe with 
MacPorts).  So that is another way of finding files.



> 
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings:
> >
> > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > drive?  I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or
> > anything.  The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.  Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Claire
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> >
> > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 19:11:48 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:11:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <1040556625.3647.1564341108191@connect.xfinity.com>

So, Robert:
I have a tiny bit of experience with Terminal. I went in to look for temporary folders ($TMPDIR) and found that my list does not look exactly like the one in the example: a folder called qw was missing. I have no idea what that means, but there may be a root folder missing or a permissions problem. I will try the find name thing you suggest.Thanks

> On July 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com mailto:heller at deepsoft.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400 shel at principledprofit.com mailto:shel at principledprofit.com wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows
> >         up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally
> >         renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.
> > 
> >         And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an
> >         application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several
> >         years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.
> > 
> >     >     Two other possibilities:
> 
>     Could you have *somehow* renamed the folder to have a period as its first
>     character? Files and directories whose names start with a period (under
>     UNIX/Posix O/Ss) are considered "hidden" and don't show up under "normal"
>     conditions. (MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood.)
> 
>     Secondly, Since MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood, you also have this
>     option:
> 
>     Open a Terminal (yes, I know were are entering the totally scary (?) world of
>     the command like) and enter (with the keyboard!):
> 
>     find -name "*one of your missing document names*"
> 
>     (The '"' and '*' are needed -- I am guessing your documents have "funny"
>     characters, like spaces in them and you probably have no clue about the
>     document's "suffix".) Don't forget to press ENTER and the end of the command.
> 
>     You can also try:
> 
>     ls -A
> 
>     (The find command recursively traverses your directory tree, the ls command
>     with the -A open will show hidden files and directories.)
> 
>     Also, my MacMini has the locate command (I don't know if that is a standard
>     feature of MacOSX or if I installed it as an after market thing, maybe with
>     MacPorts). So that is another way of finding files.
> 
> 
>         > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <
> >         hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > Greetings:
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > >             drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or
> > >             anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > >             disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere. Any
> > >             thoughts?
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > > Claire
> > >             _______________________________________________
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 19:18:48 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com>
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Hi Annamarie:
Sooo, I backed up everything in Time Machine about a month ago, so a WAY previous version of this folder is probably there, but not the all the work I've done since.
Unfortunately I have never used iCloud.
I'm afraid to back it up again until I know where this folder has gone.
Claire

> On July 28, 2019 at 3:12 PM Annamarie Pluhar <annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Look for it in your Time Machine backup. You do have one, don?t you?
> 
>     Annamarie
> 
>     P.S. Any chance it decided to be in your iCloud account?
> 
> 
>     On 28 Jul 2019, at 12:15, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> 
>         > > Greetings:
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> >         drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash
> >         or anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> >         disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.
> >         Any thoughts?
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > Claire_______________________________________________
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> > 
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 19:20:27 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:20:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
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References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
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Robert, can you tell me specifically what the command for finding a file is? I tried find -name and they say that the -n is not recognized. I tried a few others, but I have not found the command to bring up any file, even ones I know are there. Usually there is $ somehere.
Claire


> On July 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>     So, Robert:
>     I have a tiny bit of experience with Terminal. I went in to look for temporary folders ($TMPDIR) and found that my list does not look exactly like the one in the example: a folder called qw was missing. I have no idea what that means, but there may be a root folder missing or a permissions problem. I will try the find name thing you suggest.Thanks
> 
>         > > On July 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Robert Heller < heller at deepsoft.com mailto:heller at deepsoft.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400 shel at principledprofit.com mailto:shel at principledprofit.com wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows
> > >             up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally
> > >             renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.
> > > 
> > >             And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an
> > >             application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several
> > >             years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.
> > > 
> > >         > >         Two other possibilities:
> > 
> >         Could you have *somehow* renamed the folder to have a period as its first
> >         character? Files and directories whose names start with a period (under
> >         UNIX/Posix O/Ss) are considered "hidden" and don't show up under "normal"
> >         conditions. (MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood.)
> > 
> >         Secondly, Since MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood, you also have this
> >         option:
> > 
> >         Open a Terminal (yes, I know were are entering the totally scary (?) world of
> >         the command like) and enter (with the keyboard!):
> > 
> >         find -name "*one of your missing document names*"
> > 
> >         (The '"' and '*' are needed -- I am guessing your documents have "funny"
> >         characters, like spaces in them and you probably have no clue about the
> >         document's "suffix".) Don't forget to press ENTER and the end of the command.
> > 
> >         You can also try:
> > 
> >         ls -A
> > 
> >         (The find command recursively traverses your directory tree, the ls command
> >         with the -A open will show hidden files and directories.)
> > 
> >         Also, my MacMini has the locate command (I don't know if that is a standard
> >         feature of MacOSX or if I installed it as an after market thing, maybe with
> >         MacPorts). So that is another way of finding files.
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <
> > >             hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > Greetings:
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >                 > > > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > > >                 drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or
> > > >                 anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > > >                 disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere. Any
> > > >                 thoughts?
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >                 > > > > Claire
> > > >                 _______________________________________________
> > > >                 Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > > >                 Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > > > 
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From john at bozaandesign.com  Sun Jul 28 20:46:27 2019
From: john at bozaandesign.com (John Bozaan)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 16:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <378187997.3713.1564341627804@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
 <1040556625.3647.1564341108191@connect.xfinity.com>
 <378187997.3713.1564341627804@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <F9631DC8-109A-44C9-9F17-43C3EE4185EE@bozaandesign.com>

This might help you: https://superuser.com/a/226571

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
> 
> Robert, can you tell me specifically what the command for finding a file is? I tried find -name and they say that the -n is not recognized. I tried a few others, but I have not found the command to bring up any file, even ones I know are there. Usually there is $ somehere.
> Claire
> 
>> On July 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> So, Robert: 
>> I have a tiny bit of experience with Terminal. I went in to look for temporary folders ($TMPDIR) and found that my list does not look exactly like the one in the example: a folder called qw was missing. I have no idea what that means, but there may be a root folder missing or a permissions problem. I will try the find name thing you suggest.Thanks 
>>> On July 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Robert Heller < heller at deepsoft.com <mailto:heller at deepsoft.com>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400 shel at principledprofit.com <mailto:shel at principledprofit.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows 
>>>> up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally 
>>>> renamed the documents folder and it's all still there. 
>>>> 
>>>> And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an 
>>>> application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several 
>>>> years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.
>>> 
>>> Two other possibilities: 
>>> 
>>> Could you have *somehow* renamed the folder to have a period as its first 
>>> character? Files and directories whose names start with a period (under 
>>> UNIX/Posix O/Ss) are considered "hidden" and don't show up under "normal" 
>>> conditions. (MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood.) 
>>> 
>>> Secondly, Since MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood, you also have this 
>>> option: 
>>> 
>>> Open a Terminal (yes, I know were are entering the totally scary (?) world of 
>>> the command like) and enter (with the keyboard!): 
>>> 
>>> find -name "*one of your missing document names*" 
>>> 
>>> (The '"' and '*' are needed -- I am guessing your documents have "funny" 
>>> characters, like spaces in them and you probably have no clue about the 
>>> document's "suffix".) Don't forget to press ENTER and the end of the command. 
>>> 
>>> You can also try: 
>>> 
>>> ls -A 
>>> 
>>> (The find command recursively traverses your directory tree, the ls command 
>>> with the -A open will show hidden files and directories.) 
>>> 
>>> Also, my MacMini has the locate command (I don't know if that is a standard 
>>> feature of MacOSX or if I installed it as an after market thing, maybe with 
>>> MacPorts). So that is another way of finding files. 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss < 
>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings:
>>>>> Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard 
>>>>> drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or 
>>>>> anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have 
>>>>> disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere. Any 
>>>>> thoughts?
>>>>> Claire 
>>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net <http://www.hidden-tech.net/> 
>>>>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 
>>>>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members 
>>>>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. 
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>>>> 
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From johnshannon108 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 21:33:11 2019
From: johnshannon108 at gmail.com (John Shannon)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:33:11 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] External Hard Drive Repair/File Salvage Help
Message-ID: <CAE6f4_OMAbr8AUg9Svu7ru4pp0QDfeDLxmOSpW=HQ0TZ2E3W3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
My dog got into my home office and chewed on my "My Passport Ultra"
external hard disc drive. The power outlet on the external hard drive is
intact as is the proprietary power/data cable to HDMI. However, when I
plugged it in, my PC can't recognize the drive.
Does anyone have suggestions about who I should get in touch with to see if
the files can be downloaded onto another external hard drive.
Thanks,
John Shannon

-- 
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Tara Consulting
21 Taylor Street
Amherst, MA 01002
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From dstevens at tryandfindit.com  Sun Jul 28 23:32:47 2019
From: dstevens at tryandfindit.com (Donald M Stevens)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 23:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] External Hard Drive Repair/File Salvage Help
In-Reply-To: <CAE6f4_OMAbr8AUg9Svu7ru4pp0QDfeDLxmOSpW=HQ0TZ2E3W3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6f4_OMAbr8AUg9Svu7ru4pp0QDfeDLxmOSpW=HQ0TZ2E3W3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB513317CBB2D202D6835DA10EB1C20@SN6PR05MB5133.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hey John
What if you plug in to a different computer?

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>

________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:33:11 PM
To: hidden-discuss <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Subject: [Hidden-tech] External Hard Drive Repair/File Salvage Help

Hi,
My dog got into my home office and chewed on my "My Passport Ultra" external hard disc drive. The power outlet on the external hard drive is intact as is the proprietary power/data cable to HDMI. However, when I plugged it in, my PC can't recognize the drive.
Does anyone have suggestions about who I should get in touch with to see if the files can be downloaded onto another external hard drive.
Thanks,
John Shannon

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Tara Consulting
21 Taylor Street
Amherst, MA 01002
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Sun Jul 28 23:46:19 2019
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:46:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <304533365.3695.1564341528556@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com> 
 <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com> 
 <304533365.3695.1564341528556@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <20190728234620.C2CF926C0173@sharky3.deepsoft.com>

At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Hi Annamarie:
> Sooo, I backed up everything in Time Machine about a month ago, so a WAY
> previous version of this folder is probably there, but not the all the work
> I've done since.

Well, backing up once a month is better than not backing up at all...  *I* run 
an automated backup *everyday* on all the computers on my LAN (7 actual 
machines (AMD Linux desktop , Intel Linux laptop, MacMini (MacOSX), 4 
Raspberry Pis, 6 VMs (assorted Linux)). Backups are best done as often as 
possible.  Daily is great, weekly is *probably* alright for most people.


> Unfortunately I have never used iCloud.
> I'm afraid to back it up again until I know where this folder has gone.
> Claire
> 
> > On July 28, 2019 at 3:12 PM Annamarie Pluhar <annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     Look for it in your Time Machine backup. You do have one, don??????t you?
> > 
> >     Annamarie
> > 
> >     P.S. Any chance it decided to be in your iCloud account?
> > 
> > 
> >     On 28 Jul 2019, at 12:15, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > 
> >         > > Greetings:
> > > 
> > >     > 
> >         > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > >         drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash
> > >         or anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > >         disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.
> > >         Any thoughts?
> > > 
> > >     > 
> >         > > Claire_______________________________________________
> > >         Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> > >         Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > > 
> > >     > 
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From heller at deepsoft.com  Sun Jul 28 23:46:19 2019
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:46:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <378187997.3713.1564341627804@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com> 
 <CADG-Mh2NEdynBXJpntovZgRh2w-sPrcTOOD_dSNo97yUVvanzQ@mail.gmail.com> 
 <20190728190231.1412626C0166@sharky3.deepsoft.com> 
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 <378187997.3713.1564341627804@connect.xfinity.com>
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At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Robert, can you tell me specifically what the command for finding a file is? I tried find -name and they say that the -n is not recognized. I tried a few others, but I have not found the command to bring up any file, even ones I know are there. Usually there is $ somehere.
> Claire

OK, Linux's find is more "forgiving" than BSD find.

Try this:

find . -name "*whatever*"

you *need* to include the path (. == current directory).  Linux find defaults 
to . when the path is ommitted.

> 
> 
> > On July 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> >     So, Robert:
> >     I have a tiny bit of experience with Terminal. I went in to look for temporary folders ($TMPDIR) and found that my list does not look exactly like the one in the example: a folder called qw was missing. I have no idea what that means, but there may be a root folder missing or a permissions problem. I will try the find name thing you suggest.Thanks
> > 
> >         > > On July 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Robert Heller < heller at deepsoft.com mailto:heller at deepsoft.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:44:06 -0400 shel at principledprofit.com mailto:shel at principledprofit.com wrote:
> > > 
> > >             > > > 
> > > >             Try searching for a couple of keywords in one of the documents. If it shows
> > > >             up, you will see the folder hierarchy. It is possible you accidentally
> > > >             renamed the documents folder and it's all still there.
> > > > 
> > > >             And if a finder search doesn't help, try searching from within an
> > > >             application such as word. The Mac's find function got a lot funkier several
> > > >             years ago. Though it is still way better than a PC.
> > > > 
> > > >         > >         Two other possibilities:
> > > 
> > >         Could you have *somehow* renamed the folder to have a period as its first
> > >         character? Files and directories whose names start with a period (under
> > >         UNIX/Posix O/Ss) are considered "hidden" and don't show up under "normal"
> > >         conditions. (MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood.)
> > > 
> > >         Secondly, Since MacOSX *is* UNIX, under the hood, you also have this
> > >         option:
> > > 
> > >         Open a Terminal (yes, I know were are entering the totally scary (?) world of
> > >         the command like) and enter (with the keyboard!):
> > > 
> > >         find -name "*one of your missing document names*"
> > > 
> > >         (The '"' and '*' are needed -- I am guessing your documents have "funny"
> > >         characters, like spaces in them and you probably have no clue about the
> > >         document's "suffix".) Don't forget to press ENTER and the end of the command.
> > > 
> > >         You can also try:
> > > 
> > >         ls -A
> > > 
> > >         (The find command recursively traverses your directory tree, the ls command
> > >         with the -A open will show hidden files and directories.)
> > > 
> > >         Also, my MacMini has the locate command (I don't know if that is a standard
> > >         feature of MacOSX or if I installed it as an after market thing, maybe with
> > >         MacPorts). So that is another way of finding files.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 12:15 PM Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss <
> > > >             hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                 > > > > Greetings:
> > > > > 
> > > > >             > > > 
> > > >                 > > > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > > > >                 drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash or
> > > > >                 anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > > > >                 disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere. Any
> > > > >                 thoughts?
> > > > > 
> > > > >             > > > 
> > > >                 > > > > Claire
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Mon Jul 29 01:12:32 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <20190728234620.C2CF926C0173@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com>
 <304533365.3695.1564341528556@connect.xfinity.com>
 <20190728234620.C2CF926C0173@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <1555054116.7570.1564362752305@connect.xfinity.com>

OK, I am getting something. I don't undertand it, but I am getting a long list Library files that end in "operation not permitted", but way at the end I am seeing references to the documents in my missing folder. It is buried in with some other, unrelated, files. Here is a copy of that part of the result:
find: ./Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari.SafeBrowsing: Operation not permitted
./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).pdf
./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).pages
./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).docx
Claires-MacBook-Pro:~ clairehuttlinger$

Those words "Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019" is the title of my missing folder, and "Observation#1" is the file I searched for. I don't know how it got onto the same path as the "eclipse tour", and all of it seems to be somewhere in the trash.

This is most promising result yet.
Any clue where to go from here?

> On July 28, 2019 at 7:46 PM Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com mailto:heller at deepsoft.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net mailto:chuttlinger at comcast.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Hi Annamarie:
> >         Sooo, I backed up everything in Time Machine about a month ago, so a WAY
> >         previous version of this folder is probably there, but not the all the work
> >         I've done since.
> > 
> >     >     Well, backing up once a month is better than not backing up at all... *I* run
>     an automated backup *everyday* on all the computers on my LAN (7 actual
>     machines (AMD Linux desktop , Intel Linux laptop, MacMini (MacOSX), 4
>     Raspberry Pis, 6 VMs (assorted Linux)). Backups are best done as often as
>     possible. Daily is great, weekly is *probably* alright for most people.
> 
>         > > Unfortunately I have never used iCloud.
> >         I'm afraid to back it up again until I know where this folder has gone.
> >         Claire
> > 
> >             > > > On July 28, 2019 at 3:12 PM Annamarie Pluhar <annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Look for it in your Time Machine backup. You do have one, don??????t you?
> > > 
> > >             Annamarie
> > > 
> > >             P.S. Any chance it decided to be in your iCloud account?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             On 28 Jul 2019, at 12:15, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > >             > > Greetings:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > >
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash
> > > >                 or anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > > >                 disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.
> > > >                 Any thoughts?
> > > >                 >
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > > > Claire_______________________________________________
> > > 
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From chuttlinger at comcast.net  Mon Jul 29 01:16:08 2019
From: chuttlinger at comcast.net (Claire Huttlinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:16:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Recover lost documents on Mac OS (no icloud)
In-Reply-To: <1555054116.7570.1564362752305@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <212816458.2003.1564330551095@connect.xfinity.com>
 <032DA772-550E-4DE4-ACCB-7F7CE19132A0@PatientSympatheticCoaching.com>
 <304533365.3695.1564341528556@connect.xfinity.com>
 <20190728234620.C2CF926C0173@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
 <1555054116.7570.1564362752305@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1603888275.7606.1564362968492@connect.xfinity.com>

I found it! I don't know why my previous rumaging through the trash didn't work, but this time it appeared. Thanks very much to all for your input. I will backup my files immediately!
'night!


> On July 28, 2019 at 9:12 PM Claire Huttlinger <chuttlinger at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>     OK, I am getting something. I don't undertand it, but I am getting a long list Library files that end in "operation not permitted", but way at the end I am seeing references to the documents in my missing folder. It is buried in with some other, unrelated, files. Here is a copy of that part of the result:
>     find: ./Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari.SafeBrowsing: Operation not permitted
>     ./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).pdf
>     ./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).pages
>     ./.Trash/RE_ Hay plazas para el tour eclipse_/Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019/Huttlinger-TPASL-Observation#1(060219).docx
>     Claires-MacBook-Pro:~ clairehuttlinger$
> 
>     Those words "Theory & Practice of Acquiring a Second Language 2019" is the title of my missing folder, and "Observation#1" is the file I searched for. I don't know how it got onto the same path as the "eclipse tour", and all of it seems to be somewhere in the trash.
> 
>     This is most promising result yet.
>     Any clue where to go from here?
> 
>         > > On July 28, 2019 at 7:46 PM Robert Heller < heller at deepsoft.com mailto:heller at deepsoft.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         At Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Claire Huttlinger < chuttlinger at comcast.net mailto:chuttlinger at comcast.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             Hi Annamarie:
> > >             Sooo, I backed up everything in Time Machine about a month ago, so a WAY
> > >             previous version of this folder is probably there, but not the all the work
> > >             I've done since.
> > > 
> > >         > >         Well, backing up once a month is better than not backing up at all... *I* run
> >         an automated backup *everyday* on all the computers on my LAN (7 actual
> >         machines (AMD Linux desktop , Intel Linux laptop, MacMini (MacOSX), 4
> >         Raspberry Pis, 6 VMs (assorted Linux)). Backups are best done as often as
> >         possible. Daily is great, weekly is *probably* alright for most people.
> > 
> >             > > > Unfortunately I have never used iCloud.
> > >             I'm afraid to back it up again until I know where this folder has gone.
> > >             Claire
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > On July 28, 2019 at 3:12 PM Annamarie Pluhar < annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto: annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com mailto:annamarie at PatientSympatheticCoaching.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Look for it in your Time Machine backup. You do have one, don??????t you?
> > > > 
> > > >                 Annamarie
> > > > 
> > > >                 P.S. Any chance it decided to be in your iCloud account?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 On 28 Jul 2019, at 12:15, Claire Huttlinger via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > > >                 > > Greetings:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > > > Does anyone know how to recover a document folder form a Mac OS hard
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > drive? I have mysteriously lost one, and I have not emptied my trash
> > > > >                     or anything. The folder and and all the documents it contained have
> > > > >                     disappeared from every history, the trash, the finder, everywhere.
> > > > >                     Any thoughts?
> > > > >                     >
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > > > Claire_______________________________________________
> > > > 
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From kiernan at greenearthpc.us  Mon Jul 29 17:20:59 2019
From: kiernan at greenearthpc.us (Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] External Hard Drive Repair/File Salvage Help
In-Reply-To: <CAE6f4_OMAbr8AUg9Svu7ru4pp0QDfeDLxmOSpW=HQ0TZ2E3W3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6f4_OMAbr8AUg9Svu7ru4pp0QDfeDLxmOSpW=HQ0TZ2E3W3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAEi5V+JsKChTFAae-rBLg6+9kmeF8g-K8gKO7EBejSX+ZkxiA@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately the passport ultras had hardware encryption, so the internal
hard drive cannot be removed from the encolosure to plug into another
computer for recovery.

It is likely that this needs to go out to a clean room recovery specialist
like Drivesavers or Gillware.   We have generally found gillware to be
better pricing and equal service.

If you want, we have a gillware code we use, they knock off $25 and do free
inbound shipping for their free evaluation/estimate:
https://www.gillware.com/?Affiliate=21812
(code 21812 for discount)

Good luck!

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www.greenearthpc.us
413-282-8324


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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:36 PM John Shannon via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> My dog got into my home office and chewed on my "My Passport Ultra"
> external hard disc drive. The power outlet on the external hard drive is
> intact as is the proprietary power/data cable to HDMI. However, when I
> plugged it in, my PC can't recognize the drive.
> Does anyone have suggestions about who I should get in touch with to see
> if the files can be downloaded onto another external hard drive.
> Thanks,
> John Shannon
>
> --
> John Shannon
> Tara Consulting
> 21 Taylor Street
> Amherst, MA 01002
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From rob at 2disc.com  Tue Jul 30 12:45:40 2019
From: rob at 2disc.com (Rob Laporte)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:45:40 +0000
Subject: [Hidden-tech] Easthampton Savings Bank debacles;
 Other Bank Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB24815A249259E6506DF6FA9CE5C00@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB24816647F13ED7F150A3BADDE5DC0@BN8PR14MB2481.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks so much for the helpful suggestions on a good local bank. While other banks got honorable mention, Greenfield Savings Bank got by far the most high regards. So my mapping the move there is my next step.

One of the several great values of this list is such recommendations.

I should add that only with clear and overwhelming evidence of failings would I disparage a business on this list, as I did Easthampton Savings Bank. The short list of problems I recounted were salient but not close to all instances. As I explained to ESB's VP on the phone, my feedback to them first and my request for a mere gesture of redress were in part aimed to give them feedback by which to improve to where they were for many good years prior. Their responses showed a lack of acknowledgement that usually means problems will continue. And tech problems in one's bank can be expensive, hence my warning to all here.


Best Regards,


Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO

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________________________________
From: Rob Laporte <rob at 2disc.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:35 AM
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Cc: Andrew Grimes <andrew at 2disc.com>
Subject: Easthampton Savings Bank debacles; Other Bank Recommendations

Hi HTers,

10 to 15 years ago I chose Easthampton Savings Bank (ESB) for business and personal because I prefer going local, but during the last two years poor tech and lack of redress, which has cost my firm ~$1800 of lost billable, has me seeking another bank with a branch in Greenfield.

I wonder if others have had problems with ESB, and I?d be grateful for bank recommendations.

Some of the ESB failings are:


  *   When ESB migrated their online banking, they forced us to re-enter all payees, and for a while the old system kept paying in double the new systems, yet we could not login to the old.
  *   Both online and called notice of travel failed to enable cards to work out of state, and that very requirement puts cost of security on the customer more so than other cards and banks we've use.
  *   Town tax changes caused increase of mortgage/tax payments by $6.95/mo, and with no prior notice about this change, this prompted mailed threats of collections for $6.85 (of ~$1800) being late less than a month.

ESB?s SVP, Commercial Services Manager, Maura Kelly, denied my request for compensation in the form of some months of free use of our $20/mo business check scanner. Her evasions and excuses suggest lack of ownership of the problems, which spirit suggests future problems are likely.

Again, I?d be grateful for Greenfield-local recommendations for a new bank, preferably local, but I realize that economies of scale in bank tech may make a national bank with a local branch the better choice.


Best Regards,


Rob Laporte | SEO Specialist, CEO

DISC, Inc. - Making Websites Make Money

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From debchandler411 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 17:10:29 2019
From: debchandler411 at gmail.com (Deborah Chandler)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:10:29 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Yet another lawyer referral request * * *
Message-ID: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

It seems there is need for lawyers lately...

This time, seeking a recommendation for a lawyer who can represent a
disabled low income tenant in removing/settling an old judgment from 4 1/2
years ago in Franklin County, brought about by a very unethical landlord
who had a high-priced lawyer. It was a retaliatory eviction case.

The judgment is in the way of future housing prospects, (property rental
AND purchase, apparently) so sadly, it must be addressed. It's
unbelievable, but apparently these housing court records stay active and
public for TWENTY YEARS here in MA. (Aren't bankruptcies only on your
credit report for SEVEN years?)

If someone knows a disability lawyer who is well-versed in housing law and
who is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE to take on this work, that would be a good
candidate.

And again, another one that needs attention asap.

Thanks in advance,
Deb Chandler
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From hwmurphy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 17:51:53 2019
From: hwmurphy at gmail.com (Harold Murphy)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:51:53 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Yet another lawyer referral request * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Pioneer Valley Legal Assoc.
Bernie S. Cohen
413-781-0402

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:28 PM Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> It seems there is need for lawyers lately...
>
> This time, seeking a recommendation for a lawyer who can represent a
> disabled low income tenant in removing/settling an old judgment from 4 1/2
> years ago in Franklin County, brought about by a very unethical landlord
> who had a high-priced lawyer. It was a retaliatory eviction case.
>
> The judgment is in the way of future housing prospects, (property rental
> AND purchase, apparently) so sadly, it must be addressed. It's
> unbelievable, but apparently these housing court records stay active and
> public for TWENTY YEARS here in MA. (Aren't bankruptcies only on your
> credit report for SEVEN years?)
>
> If someone knows a disability lawyer who is well-versed in housing law and
> who is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE to take on this work, that would be a good
> candidate.
>
> And again, another one that needs attention asap.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Deb Chandler
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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-- 
*Harold W. Murphy*
*Murphy Realty*
*Box 60511*
*Longmeadow, MA 01116*
*413-575-2507  hwmurphy at gmail.com <hwmurphy at gmail.com>*
*MA REB.126252 / CT REB.0487774*
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From rich at on-the-net.com  Tue Jul 30 19:21:48 2019
From: rich at on-the-net.com (Rich Roth)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:21:48 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Yet another lawyer referral request * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3eb0b742-9653-a232-0c9f-f922fb710990@tnrglobal.com>

You might try look4help.org

it was setup by? Community Action specifically for cases like you are 
describing.

On 7/30/2019 1:10 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> It seems there is need for lawyers lately...
>
> This time, seeking a recommendation for a lawyer who can represent a 
> disabled low income tenant in removing/settling an old judgment from 4 
> 1/2 years ago in Franklin County, brought about by a very unethical 
> landlord who had a high-priced lawyer. It was a retaliatory eviction case.
>
> The judgment is in the way of future housing prospects, (property 
> rental AND purchase, apparently) so sadly, it must be addressed. It's 
> unbelievable, but apparently these housing court records stay active 
> and public for TWENTY YEARS here in MA. (Aren't bankruptcies only on 
> your credit report for SEVEN years?)
>
> If someone knows a disability lawyer who is well-versed in housing law 
> and who is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE to take on this work, that would be a 
> good candidate.
>
> And again, another one that needs attention asap.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Deb Chandler
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From aaron at taylorwaldman.com  Tue Jul 30 20:05:52 2019
From: aaron at taylorwaldman.com (Aaron Taylor-Waldman)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Yet another lawyer referral request * * *
In-Reply-To: <3eb0b742-9653-a232-0c9f-f922fb710990@tnrglobal.com>
References: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3eb0b742-9653-a232-0c9f-f922fb710990@tnrglobal.com>
Message-ID: <CADSHD3sGs+4cd084yoLHw7qmu2w-3s03bm3KHsNC2zORqNYbvw@mail.gmail.com>

Mass Fair Housing ? based in Holyoke ? would be a great place to consider.
They specialize in housing discrimination cases, there is an intake form on
this disability-focused page:
http://www.massfairhousing.org/housing-discrimination/disability

(413) 539-9796

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:22 PM Rich Roth via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> You might try look4help.org
>
> it was setup by  Community Action specifically for cases like you are
> describing.
> On 7/30/2019 1:10 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> It seems there is need for lawyers lately...
>
> This time, seeking a recommendation for a lawyer who can represent a
> disabled low income tenant in removing/settling an old judgment from 4 1/2
> years ago in Franklin County, brought about by a very unethical landlord
> who had a high-priced lawyer. It was a retaliatory eviction case.
>
> The judgment is in the way of future housing prospects, (property rental
> AND purchase, apparently) so sadly, it must be addressed. It's
> unbelievable, but apparently these housing court records stay active and
> public for TWENTY YEARS here in MA. (Aren't bankruptcies only on your
> credit report for SEVEN years?)
>
> If someone knows a disability lawyer who is well-versed in housing law and
> who is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE to take on this work, that would be a good
> candidate.
>
> And again, another one that needs attention asap.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Deb Chandler
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
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From the at otherrealm.org  Tue Jul 30 22:19:58 2019
From: the at otherrealm.org (Aaron E-J)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:19:58 -0400
Subject: [Hidden-tech] * * * Yet another lawyer referral request * * *
In-Reply-To: <CAGs6=wqFj3hkcPVXaKW5CBvRy+-ra2eSp4fsyBHu5VSbm=hsHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Have you checked out: https://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/ ?? Also,
client of mine was facing a similar issue and on a whim I called the
ACLU. They couldn't be of direct support but they gave quite a few
suggestions to them of other places to call.

Aaron E-J
The Other Realm LLC
http://otherrealm.org
http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)

On 2019-07-30 1:10 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> It seems there is need for lawyers lately...
>
> This time, seeking a recommendation for a lawyer who can represent a
> disabled low income tenant in removing/settling an old judgment from 4
> 1/2 years ago in Franklin County, brought about by a very unethical
> landlord who had a high-priced lawyer. It was a retaliatory eviction case.
>
> The judgment is in the way of future housing prospects, (property
> rental AND purchase, apparently) so sadly, it must be addressed. It's
> unbelievable, but apparently these housing court records stay active
> and public for TWENTY YEARS here in MA. (Aren't bankruptcies only on
> your credit report for SEVEN years?)?
>
> If someone knows a disability lawyer who is well-versed in housing law
> and who is ACTUALLY AVAILABLE to take on this work, that would be a
> good candidate.?
>
> And again, another one that needs attention asap.?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Deb Chandler
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net
> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>
> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list.
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