[Hidden-tech] Env/Tech: Water As Fuel

[Jim Ussailis]

Unfortunately, that is not possible. You never get back what you put in. 
Even for rechargeable batteries you only get back about 80%. And that's 
on a really good day. 

The second law of thermodynamics is a real gotcha.

Jim U.

jim at nationalwireless.com







On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Charlie Heath wrote:

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> But presumably, it would just be a storage technology; not a new source of 
> energy.  A good thing, but not magic.   Perhaps even a breakthrough, but 
> we'd still need to put as much energy in as we get out.
> 
> Charlie
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> > I've been researching different hydrogen technologies on the side and ran 
> > across this myself.  There was actually a CNN video that was on cnn.com 
> > not that long ago that talked about this.
> >
> > The company featured in the video is based out of Florida and is called 
> > "Hydrogen Technologies".  The way this works is they don't actually break 
> > apart the water, they simply restructure the molecule of water. By adding 
> > a catalyst to this restructured water (namely a small amount of regular 
> > gasoline), the "water" will burn.  They call this newly restructured water 
> > molecule "aquagen".  There are a few more sites out there that talk about 
> > aquagen, but none mention how to actually make it. It has quite a bit of 
> > promise for sure.  But again, no catalyst, no burning water.
> >
> > The greatest feature of aquagen is that it takes a significantly less 
> > amount of electricity to restructure the atom rather than to rip it apart 
> > (as in electrolysis).  I think the stats were something like they could 
> > create 300 liters of aquagen for $7.50.   To create the same amount of 
> > pure hydrogen using electrolysis would cost significantly more than that.
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > Tom Kopec wrote:
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> >> As is usual, the efficiency question remains unanswered..
> >>
> >> This requires energy input to work (to break apart the water), and at the 
> >> end of burning the resulting gas you have water again.. so, if it 
> >> produces more energy than it uses, you could run it on it's own output 
> >> and have a perpetual-motion machine. OTOH, if it produces less energy 
> >> than it uses (in keeping with the laws of thermodynamics as we know 
> >> them), then it's just another energy transport mechanism.
> >>
> >> I wish him luck, and I do hope he finds something interesting and useful 
> >> here.. but given that he seems to be willing to (at best) not correct 
> >> omission of or (at worst) actively hide the fact that a lot of energy has 
> >> to get put into the system to get something out, I'll stay on the 
> >> skeptical side of the fence for now.
> >>
> >> ...tom
> >>
> >> At 06:05 PM 6/11/2006, Shel Horowitz wrote:
> >>
> >>> Remarkable Fox-Florida segment on water-powered welding and vehicles. I 
> >>> was skeptical enough to play on Google; it's apparently real:
> >>
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