[Hidden-tech] Env/Tech: Water As Fuel

[Charlie Heath]

But presumably, it would just be a storage technology; not a new source of 
energy.  A good thing, but not magic.   Perhaps even a breakthrough, but 
we'd still need to put as much energy in as we get out.

Charlie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Korpiewski" <davidk at cs.umass.edu>
To: "Tom Kopec" <t_e_k at comcast.net>
Cc: <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Env/Tech: Water As Fuel


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> I've been researching different hydrogen technologies on the side and ran 
> across this myself.  There was actually a CNN video that was on cnn.com 
> not that long ago that talked about this.
>
> The company featured in the video is based out of Florida and is called 
> "Hydrogen Technologies".  The way this works is they don't actually break 
> apart the water, they simply restructure the molecule of water. By adding 
> a catalyst to this restructured water (namely a small amount of regular 
> gasoline), the "water" will burn.  They call this newly restructured water 
> molecule "aquagen".  There are a few more sites out there that talk about 
> aquagen, but none mention how to actually make it. It has quite a bit of 
> promise for sure.  But again, no catalyst, no burning water.
>
> The greatest feature of aquagen is that it takes a significantly less 
> amount of electricity to restructure the atom rather than to rip it apart 
> (as in electrolysis).  I think the stats were something like they could 
> create 300 liters of aquagen for $7.50.   To create the same amount of 
> pure hydrogen using electrolysis would cost significantly more than that.
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> -David
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> Tom Kopec wrote:
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>> As is usual, the efficiency question remains unanswered..
>>
>> This requires energy input to work (to break apart the water), and at the 
>> end of burning the resulting gas you have water again.. so, if it 
>> produces more energy than it uses, you could run it on it's own output 
>> and have a perpetual-motion machine. OTOH, if it produces less energy 
>> than it uses (in keeping with the laws of thermodynamics as we know 
>> them), then it's just another energy transport mechanism.
>>
>> I wish him luck, and I do hope he finds something interesting and useful 
>> here.. but given that he seems to be willing to (at best) not correct 
>> omission of or (at worst) actively hide the fact that a lot of energy has 
>> to get put into the system to get something out, I'll stay on the 
>> skeptical side of the fence for now.
>>
>> ...tom
>>
>> At 06:05 PM 6/11/2006, Shel Horowitz wrote:
>>
>>> Remarkable Fox-Florida segment on water-powered welding and vehicles. I 
>>> was skeptical enough to play on Google; it's apparently real:
>>
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