In my experience both SSD and RAM are vast (and often critical) improvements. There's no question that maxing out your RAM is often necessary if you run enough apps, and that too little RAM can mean a computer will barely function. Just time passing while you own a computer means updated apps, higher bandwidth activities, and the general proliferation of data and communication are going to increase your RAM needs even if you don't upgrade the OS. And hard drives are not only painfully slow (and terribly unreliable -- I finally replaced every HDD I could afford to with SSDs after my 4th or 5th hard drive corruption; the money was better spent keeping all my data AND having faster performance than spending on data recovery services) but since they are so unreliable and prone to degradation, it's likely some performance issues will occur above and beyond inherent slowness because the hard drive is corrupted or dying. Regardless, it's hard to marginalize the performance improvement when a computer goes from taking 1-2 minutes to boot with a hard drive to 15 seconds with an SSD -- just as an example. Basically, you can barely run a computer if it needs more RAM; and if you're waiting forever to load or save programs or files and you hear the hard drive working a lot -- an SSD will be a huge improvement. The thing is, RAM is really cheap now. Most Macs can max out their RAM for $100 or less. And SSDs are almost the same price as hard drives now as well -- http://www.pcworld.com/article/3011199/storage/plummeting-ssd-prices-are-quickly-closing-in-on-traditional-hard-drives.html And if your hard drive is dying or badly damaged, you'll need to replace it immediately anyway -- and it makes almost no sense to buy a hard drive anymore when you do that. If you want to test that, you can run Disk Utility and look for red warnings about node damage; or even better run Prosoft Engineering Drive Genius, Micromat Tech Tool, or Micromat Checkmate -- to check for bad blocks. You can find out how maxed out your RAM usage is by looking at the Activity Monitor app Apple includes on all Macs; or my preference is running the much easier to understand free Memory Clean app -- it will show you how much RAM you are using and how much is left, constantly in the menu bar while you are using your computer. I have taken old slow Macs and (1) increased the RAM; (2) then repaired the hard drive and rebuilt its directories with Disk Warrior and copied that over onto a newly installed SSD. The performance improvements have often been greater than what one could afford to pay for a fancier newer Mac. Spending around $300 on these two things can basically give you a new computer, so clearly my vote is for both RAM and SSD if you can afford it. -Steve On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Chris Hart, MyMacTech.com < chris at chrishart.net> wrote: > > > > > Unquestionably, with the kind of multi-app usage that's been talked about, > more RAM is called for. But more RAM alone won't work miracles. > > In my experience, SSD makes a much bigger difference in system performance > -- even if the system is short on RAM. > > *Chris Hart* > * Computer Support & Technology Consulting* > * for Connecticut and Western Massachusetts* > * Tel: 860-291-9393 <860-291-9393>* > * chris at chrishart.net <chris at chrishart.net>* > * http://www.MyMacTech.com <http://www.mymactech.com>* > > > > Sounds to me like insufficient RAM. Every program takes memory. SSDs > speed up boot time, and file access, but that's not what your computer > spends most of its time doing. Buy more memory. > > Dan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hidden-tech.net/pipermail/hidden-discuss/attachments/20160309/1fbb40fe/attachment.html