Lenovo is supposed to release a tool/fix today. Their apology (CTO Peter Hortensius) seems to stress transparency enough to make me think they recognize the value of trust from business users. The bloatware trend seems like a subsidization of the OS costs. That's Microsoft again forgetting that their OS in in trouble and failing to differentiate between "Free/Subsidized" Windows and Windows. OEMs are hurt short term but Microsoft is hurt in the long term. On 2/20/15 11:16 AM, Jeff Brand wrote: > > > I believe it was the Geek Squad's crapware that inspired this tool which > might help non-techies do it themselves. > http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ > > Windows 8.1's licensing and tools have made it easier to create a clean > install as well. > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/save-yourself-from-your-oems-bad-decisions-with-a-clean-install-of-windows-8-1/ > > The only questionable step is vendor driver support. > > I think that Lenovo's mistakes are severe enough to create some serious > outcry and change acceptance of bundled software by the general public. > All it needs to do is cost them more in sales and legal fees than it earns. > > On 2/20/2015 7:56 AM, Robert Heller wrote: >> >> This whole thread is a clear argument *against* the idea of OEMs >> pre-installing *any* [O/S] software. Not that I expect end-users to be >> installing O/S (or really any) software either (that is often a completely >> different can of worms). What is really needed is a sort of 'Jiffy Lube' type >> of business for computers -- places where non-techies can go to have their >> computers 'serviced' -- from O/S installs to 'regular maintaince' (eg regular >> software updates and general admin work). Someplace that is a 'disintersted >> third party', that is not in the pay of some outside interest that would have >> any influence relating to which O/S or what O/S (or other software) settings >> or default preferences, etc. >> >> Having an entity with a 'vested' interest installing any software is really a >> bad idea. >> >> At Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:01:21 -0500 Roger Williams <roger at qux.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Those who are concerned their PC may contain this critical vulnerability (all of the recent Lenovo G, U, Y, Z, S, Flex, MIIX, YOGA, and E Series) can check at https://filippo.io/Badfish/. (The website was designed by one of the same researchers who published a site to scan websites for the catastrophic Heartbleed weakness in OpenSSL.) >>> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members