As one who does probably too much pro bono work both within and outside my business, it has occurred to me that if an organization needs unpaid work in order to be viable, its business model is likely a failure. And if it does not need free work, asking for it (outside of board members) leaves it open to the debatable accusation of moral failings. Best Regards, Rob Laporte President and CEO DISC, Inc. - "Making Web Sites Make Money" 413-584-6500 Rob at 2disc.com www.linkedin.com/in/2disc www.2disc.com Note: Increasingly, ISPs, companies and individuals use spam blocking systems that block legitimate email too. Important emails should be followed up with a phone call if no reply happens within an expected span of time. From: Tess Gadwa <info at yesexactly.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:39:30 -0400 To: Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> Cc: Hidden-Tech <Hidden-discuss at mm01.tnrnet.com>, Anne Campbell <info at annecampbelldesign.com> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Volunteer needed to move WordPress site It's true. I volunteered hundreds of hours of layout and graphic design services to a NC job placement nonprofit, but I was also a board member. What I see more often is an attitude of entitlement: nonprofits expect a pro bono or steeply discounted site simply because their cause is worthy, without offering any chance to have meaningful input into the organization. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote: > At Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:58:38 -0400 Tess Gadwa <info at yesexactly.com> wrote: > >> > >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I couldn't agree more with what Paul said. WordPress.com hosting performs >> > well technically, but support is nonexistent. >> > >> > Also, I am a little disturbed by the trend amongst nonprofits and artists >> > to expect "volunteer" websites. Do they also receive volunteer legal and >> > accounting services? > > I expect *some* lawyers and accountants volunteer their services, but probably > only if said lawyers and accountants have a vested (?) interest in the > nonprofits. Eg the lawyer or accountant is a member of the organization or is > providing a sponsership *in kind* to the organization or something like that. > Or providing services pro bono because they believe in the 'cause'. > > I *guess* the same sometimes happens with other professional services. (For > example Deepwoods Software provides web hosting for the Wendell Full Moon > Coffeehouse as a sponsership in kind.) > >> > >> > Tess Gadwa >> > Yesexactly.com >> > On Oct 31, 2014 7:44 AM, "Paul Stallman" <paul at alias-solutions.com> wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > A simple import/export only pulls pages and posts, it doesn't pull >>> > > setting, plugins, theme files, galleries (non wordpress). My question is >>> > > why would anyone want to go to Wordpress.com for hosting. Granted it's >>> > > free, but you know what you get when you pay free for your hosting???? >>> > > >>> > > A great man once said, "It's unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to >>> > > pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is >>> > > all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the >>> > > thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The >>> > > common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a >>> lot; >>> > > it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add >>> > > something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have >>> enough >>> > > to pay for something better." >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Paul Stallman - Owner, Creative Director, Web Guru >>> > > paul at alias-solutions.com >>> > > 413.364.6147 <tel:413.364.6147> >>> > > >>> > > How will the world know you? >>> > > *alias*|solutions >>> > > web design | graphic design | online marketing >>> > > >>> > > <http://www.alias-solutions.com/>www.alias-solutions.com >>> <http://www.alias-solutions.com> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Greg Perham <glp at gregperham.com> wrote: >>> > > >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Assuming the theme and any plugins are compatible with wp.com >>>> <http://wp.com> and >>>> > >> enabled, yes, that's all there is to itexport and import. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Greg Perham >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On Oct 30, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Rich Roth <webmaster at hidden-tech.net> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Anne, >>>> > >> Given that wordpress includes an export function, and wordpress.com >>>> <http://wordpress.com> >>>> > >> supports importing that export file, >>>> > >> what more do you need ? >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Also, It would have been good to identify the nonprofit in your post. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> If you email me offline, I might be able to handle it >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Rich/webmaster HT >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On 10/30/2014 9:15 AM, Anne Campbell wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Hi all, >>>> > >> >>>> > >> A local nonprofit organization is looking for a volunteer to perform one >>>> > >> quick task: moving our simple WordPress website from the existing host to >>>> > >> wordpress.com <http://wordpress.com> . If you have experience with >>>> this kind of move and are >>>> > >> willing to do this small job pro bono, please contact me off-list. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Thanks very much! >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -Anne Campbell >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -- >>>> > >> Anne Campbell, info at annecampbelldesign.com >>>> > >> http://www.annecampbelldesign.com/ >>>> > >> http://www.riverbenddoula.com/ >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: >>>> http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> >>>> > >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>>> list. >>>> > >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> > >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -- >>>> > >> Rich Roth >>>> > >> Webmaster/Steering Committee Member >>>> > >> Hidden-tech http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> The Talent you need is right here, >>>> > >> Join and share your skills >>>> > >> ((Sponsored by Thrives Media))http://www.thrivesmedia.com >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> >>>> > >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>>> list. >>>> > >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> > >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> > >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>>> > >> >>>> > >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>>> list. >>>> > >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>>> > >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>>> > >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> > > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> > > >>> > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> > > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> > > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> > > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> > > >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> > >> > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > >> > > > -- > Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 <tel:978-544-6933> > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > -- Tess Gadwa Chief Executive Officer _______________________________ Yes Exactly, Inc. | yesexactly.com <http://yesexactly.com/> | 413.325.8251 _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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