Al, I stand corrected. I didn't realize the cable companies had to do some rural buildouts. You ask "Do you foresee any interconnect issues for the last mile that might arise from the same concerns people have about providers using the MBI middle mile?" I'm not sure I understand your question, because I may not be hearing the same concerns from people that you are. The main concerns about providers using the MBI middle mile that I've heard have had to do with pricing of connections at the Community Anchor Institutions (CAIs). The price being charged to providers relative to what providers can charge towns, makes for a small margin. This would not really affect WiredWest once our network is built out, because we'd be buying high bandwidth from MBI at only a few locations and the pricing for that kind of operation is more favoriable. Before our network is built out, WiredWest intends to provide services to some CAIs on the MBI network, and it will affect us there, but that's not the main focus of our business. From: Al Williams [mailto:palwilliams at northamptontv.org] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:48 PM To: Reva Reck Cc: Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill; Hidden-Tech Discussions Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Help Wired West Bring Broadband to your Community Reva, My working knowledge is indeed that cable companies did indeed have to build out to areas that they could not entirely self-select. That is not the same as mandating ubiquitous connection. Thank you for your correction of my all too sweeping statement regarding Wired West. And I agree that FTTP inherently supports what I would call next generation community media, not television. And the priority for everyone, in or out of those 123 communities and more, should be those connections. Best, Al On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Reva Reck <reva at revareck.com> wrote: Actually, to my knowledge cable tv was not required to serve anyone they didn't want to - otherwise all rural towns in Western Mass would have cable, and the vast majority do not. The phone company was required to connect everyone, which is why we have phone service (more or less). Also, WiredWest is building it's own network, which will connect to the MBI middle mile, but could also connect to other existing fiber resources if necessary. So WiredWest will NOT "depend on those providers that use this fiber." I think a fiber to the home network, by its very nature, supports the development of next generation community TV. Setting aside a portion of profits for this should certainly be considered, although as a startup with a large capital outlay to pay off, it will be a while before WiredWest will be doing more than breaking even. From: Al Williams [mailto:palwilliams at northamptontv.org] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:17 AM To: Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill Cc: Reva Reck; Hidden-Tech Discussions Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Help Wired West Bring Broadband to your Community Kiernan, all, Just FYI, as this can commonly be misunderstood, the reason we have single provider situations in Western Mass is due to the cost benefit analysis' of providers. There are plenty of townships and municipalities in MA with 2 or 3 options - mostly located in the 495 corridor where density and affluence are gathered. Broadband deployment has been allowed to play by an entirely different set of rules than one of the last big buildouts - cable TV - which was required to serve rural as well as urban demographics by the federal government. Also, one of the areas in which people have concern is regarding the willingness of providers to use the MBI middle mile. I am not implying anything either way about it, just that the concern exists for some people who vocalize it regularly at MBI sessions. The Wired West last mile will depend on those providers that use this fiber. As an add on, I'd like to throw out the thought experiment that any grassroots or municipal internet system consider setting aside a percentage of all provider revenue on those lines for next generation community media. Currently only television revenues from MVPD's generate public funds for use of public rights of way. That may very well change when the Telecommunications Act is revisited - for better or worse. But I think it is a sound economic, public, and cultural investment. For full disclosure I am the Executive Director of Northampton Community Television <http://www.northamptontv.org> and Paradise City Press <http://www.paradisecitypress.org> and I also serve on the national board of the Alliance for Community Media <http://www.allcommunitymedia.org> . Feel free to contact me if you ever feel the desire to knock around these topics. Thanks, Al On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill <greenearthcomputer at gmail.com> wrote: ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. ** If you did, we all thank you. What is the current opinion and plan from wired west in regards to the towns that are already served by Comcast/Charter/verizon, but are limited to that corporate ownership as their only option? Will it be expanding to offer services in towns like Sunderland, etc? Kiernan Gulick-Sherrill Green Earth Computers www.greenearthpc.us <http://www.greenearthpc.us/> kiernan at greenearthpc.us 413-282-TECH Follow Me: <http://www.facebook.com/greenearthpc> Member: Business Networking International (BNI) Mill River Chapter: visit http://millriverbni.com PPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Reva Reck <reva at revareck.com> wrote: ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. ** If you did, we all thank you. Thank you, Daniel for letting hidden-techies know about this. I would just like to clarify that WiredWest is looking for people to IN WIREDWEST TOWNS to sign the support form, which basically says that you're interested in getting service from WiredWest when the network is built. There is a map of WiredWest towns on our website - http://wired-west.net/participating-towns/regional-map/ Whether or not you live in a WiredWest town, you can support WiredWest, and the economic development it will fuel in western Mass., by reaching out to your friends who live in one of our towns, volunteering, or donating seed money to the cause. Fiber to the People! - Reva From: lieberman.daniel52 at gmail.com [mailto:lieberman.daniel52 at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Lieberman Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:24 AM To: Hidden-Tech Discussions Subject: Help Wired West Bring Broadband to your Community Over 40 towns have come together to build a high speed broadband network to connect all of Western Massachusetts to the world. If you live in Western Mass, please fill out the form to help Wired West bring broad band to your community. If you're not sure what Wired West is about, or if your community is one of the towns in the network, please visit http://wired-west.net/ for more information, or feel free to contact me. If you're interested in bringing broadband to your community, completing this form helps demonstrate the need for the WiredWest network in your town. The more support generated, the sooner we can build the network in your area. https://hugo.jf-olm.com/~wiretnet/card.php Yours sincerely, Daniel Lieberman Shelburne Delegate to Wired West. 413 489 1818 _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. 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