[Hidden-tech] Green energy providers

Shel Horowitz shel at frugalfun.com
Tue May 10 18:38:19 EDT 2011


Not to mention very real issues around pollution, 
clear-cutting, toxins (especially if using 
contaminated sources like pressure-treated wood 
scraps), etc. Renewable doesn't always mean 
green. Wood-forest biomass is renewable but not 
sustainable.

At 8:54 AM -0400 5/10/11, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
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>Be very careful of the "biomass" bit. Many of us think that it is the use
>of waste products as in waste paper or even unusable tree parts as in
>limbs, etc. In our neck of the woods "biomass" = trees.
>
>I thought only waste trees & tree parts were used until I saw an article in
>"Atlantic Forestry" mag last spring.
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>First, limbs and waste tree parts are used, but that depends on what
>"waste" is. Yes, unusable wood for pulp or sawlogs might be used, if there
>is enough for profitability. (In the pulpwood recovery, trees are now
>chipped on-site. There is no 'waste.')
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>Most often, though, it is whole trees, bark, limbs and all that are sent to
>the electric generator. So nothing remains on the land to aid regeneration.
>
>Worse, the latest harvest method is to remove roots and all. The entire
>tree is fed to a chipper, and chips trucked to the generator.
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>In Nova Scotia there is a law about leaving a parcel of land for
>regeneration. Atlantic Forestry had a cover picture of one of these
>efforts. A island of forest was left in a very large denuded area.
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>Now for those of us who garden, we know there is more than vegetation waste
>that makes stuff grow. In the forest small animals and the food chain of
>animals also help. So when I saw this picture I asked how the small animals
>were to get to this island to start the cycle over? Of course most will not
>venture over the denuded expanse.
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>Somewhere I have read that the German Forestry folks tried using the whole
>tree (although not the root stock) once. They abandoned this because soil
>nutrient levels dissipated after a time.
>
>So 'biomass' for electric generation fuel would be fine if it were a yearly
>crop thing, like old corn stalks. I don't believe it is anywhere near here.
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>Disclaimer. I have about 181 acres of forest in Nova Scotia. I originally
>thought that biomass generated electric was a good use for the 'trash.' I
>now think otherwise.
>
>
>Jim Ussailis
>jim at nationalwireless.com
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