[Hidden-tech] WiredWest needs feedback needed on your telecommunications needs.

[Matthew S. Crocker]

IMHO planning for anything less than full GigE is a failure.

Your design should be 1 pair of fiber per house passed + % reserve for growth +  % spare for loss.   Don't worry about electronics & optics (3-5 year replace cycle) let the service provider worry about that.   Sell rack space at an interconnect and fiber strands to the home to the service provider.

*PON is 10 year old technology and doesn't work like people think it does.   The concept behind PON is sharing the same strand of fiber down a road to multiple customers.  The reality is that it is a support and operational nightmare.  A typical PON deployment model is single strand from the home back to a central aggregation node.  A 32:1 or 64:1 optical splitter is installed in the aggregation node along with the PON optical gear.   PON saves (???) money on optics but doesn't save on the fiber plant.

My plan for the MBI fiber network is single strand GigE to each customer and Carrier Ethernet MEF EFM switching gear.  That is if MBI lets me access their fiber directly.

I'm still confused why you would want to manage the optics anyway.  Service providers want to manage their electronics, we want direct access to the customer. Optics will also significantly increase your build costs.

-Matt


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reva Reck" <reva at revareck.com>
> To: "Robert Heller" <heller at deepsoft.com>
> Cc: "Hidden Tech" <Hidden-discuss at mm01.tnrnet.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 3:42:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] WiredWest needs feedback needed on your telecommunications needs.
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> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> area.
>    ** If you did, we all thank you.
> 
> 
> 
>   Active Ethernet is a bit more expensive to build, but not
> a huge amount. How much more depends on who you talk to. 5%
> 10%? 15%? Converting means replacing just about everything
> but the fiber itself, so it's a big deal.
> 
> As I said, there are a lot of factors in this decision. I
> don't want to get into all of them here because it would
> take me way to long to present them in any useful way. Also,
> depending on which "expert" you talk to, some of the issues
> are major or don't exist at all, etc. But please note that
> I'm not asking what kind of network you think we should
> build, but what kind of bandwidth needs you, yourself, have
> or that your clients have.
> 
> /Reva Reck/
> 
> /reva//@//revareck.com/
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> 
> On 6/3/2011 2:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:57:43 -0400 Reva Reck<reva at revareck.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
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> >>
> >> Dear Hidden-techies,
> >>
> >>       WiredWest, which you may already know plans to bring
> >> fiberoptic internet to 47 towns in Western Mass, is in the
> >> process of deciding on a network architecture. We would like
> >> feedback from those of you whose businesses or local clients
> >> have heavy internet/telecomm needs.
> >>
> >>       One option is GPON, basically what Verizon uses for
> >> Fios. The other is Active Ethernet, often marketed as
> >> MetroE. Without getting technical, and at the risk of
> >> over-simplifying, Active Ethernet gives you the same speeds
> >> uploading as downloading and is capable of providing more
> >> bandwidth - up to a gigabit and beyond. Fios/GPON goes up to
> >> 25 meg and can be symmetrical for high-end customers but is
> >> almost always offered with faster download speeds than
> >> upload speeds. GPON is usually used more for consumers to
> >> deliver phone, internet, and TV. Active Ethernet can do that
> >> too, but is needed by business with high bandwidth needs,
> >> and is better for delivering specialized services.  For
> >> those of us struggling along with satellite or slow and
> >> unreliable DSL, Fios seems like plenty, but we also need to
> >> consider the future and how our network will help spur
> >> business growth.
> >>
> >>       There are many factors which go into making this
> >> decision, but the one we are interested in hearing from you
> >> about is whether or not you see your business or your
> >> clients' businesses needing the more expandable bandwidth
> >> offered by Active Ethernet now and over the next decade or
> >> so. Or is GPON good enough?
> > Does the choice now (between GPON or Active Ethernet) lock
> > WiredWest
> > into a partitular technology forever?  That is, if you go with GPON
> > and
> > then in 10 years discover that it is not enough, how hard would it
> > to be
> > 'upgrade' to Active Ethernet?  Also: is there a large price
> > difference
> > between the two technologies?  Eg is Active Ethernet 10 or 100
> > times
> > more costly that GPON or are the two technologies similarly priced?
> >
> > If it would be a hassle to upgrade later and if the price
> > difference is
> > not great, I'd say go with Active Ethernet.  *I* don't need
> > enormous
> > amounts of bandwidth, but don't see that there is any reason to use
> > a
> > lower end technology, unless there is a big price jump.
> >
> >> Thanks in advance for your input,  Reva
> >>
> >>
> >> /Reva Reck/
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