[Hidden-tech] Coldfusion Programmers in Northampton/Easthampton? -- or other options for web system development

[Daniel Fried]

Actually, the fact that ColdFusion compiles to Java means that you can hire
Java developers to build your core libraries, where Java excels, and build
the interface in ColdFusion which is FAR better for that task than the
mishmash of hacks that try to make JSP usable.  Yeah, I know people swear by
Spring and Hibernate and all the rest of those technologies, but that really
is a mess compared to the languages that were build for web development.

Even PHP, which I am not overly fond of as a language (I mean seriously,
whose idea was it to use a period as a string operator?), is better than JSP
for the front end.

The one point I will give you is that ColdFusion developers are harder to
find around here for some reason, although there are places where they are
not that hard to find at all.  (Mind you they are not non-existent, there
are a number of companies that use ColdFusion in the valley, even if there
are not nearly as many as there are companies that use PHP) And frankly I'd
rather teach a smart Java developer enough ColdFusion to develop a front end
than to have them switch to a Java framework they've never used before.

I realize that most of this is personal preference.  I come from a C/C++
background so PHP drives me up a wall, but I have come to appreciate the
clean systems of the truly web focused development platforms like PHP.  This
group also includes things like ColdFusion and ASP.NET and I REALLY like
ColdFusion for what it is, even though I readily acknowledge its limitations
and faults (primarily the smaller developer base), so I will argue with
those who hear "built in ColdFusion" and immediately, without consideration
of the specific needs of the code recommend immediate migration.

-Dan

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Rich Roth <rich at on-the-net.com> wrote:

> **
> That's not really the issue - the issue is development and availability of
> developers - skilled and priced
> to match your needs (been studying that for some 30 years now, and with the
> cost of cpu constantly dropping,
> and the improvements is exactly that type of cross compiling - python can
> do that also BTW - the programmer
> time is by far the most important component in long term system development
> and maintenance.
>
> Maybe there is the need for a cold fusion to php converter ??  I built a
> whole company around a dBase to c system
> in the 80's -- any interest ?
>
> Rich
>
> On 7/25/2011 8:24 AM, Daniel Fried wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Just so ya know, ColdFusion compiles to Java byte code... it can and does
> run VERY large sites including MySpace at it's height.
>
> Gabe,
>
> I am an ex-CF programmer.  Mostly ex because I needed  to build for both
> desktop and web and don't like maintaining separate code bases.  There was
> once some talk about a CF user group in the valley, I think the closest one
> now is in Hartford.  My brother still uses CF (although he working with
> Railo instead of Adobe at this point).  He's on the list but I'll poke him
> to send you an email if he misses this.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Rich Roth <rich at on-the-net.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Maybe it's time to consider a migration - we run some pretty heavy (as in
>> large -- 2-20 million visits a month, and tied to 900 urls) sites from php,
>> if really large, maybe java is needed.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> On 7/25/2011 12:27 AM, gabe ripley wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>>  Are there any cold fusion developers in the easthampton/northamoton
>> area? We power over a hundred tattoo websites built on a big cold fusion
>> engine, and it dawned on me that I should chat shop with some other
>> programmers occasionally...
>>
>>   thanks,
>> gabe
>>
>>  http://www.TattooNOW.com/ - Websites and more for the tattoo industry
>>
>> http://www.OffTheMapTattoo.com/ - Tattoo studio in western mass
>>
>> http://www.TattooGathering.com - 4 Days of seminars,
>> workshops, discussion panels, and world class tattooing!
>> 9/15-18 2011 - Hancock MA
>> 9/13-16 2012 - Keystone CO
>>
>> 112 Cottage St Easthampton MA 01027 (413) 585-9134 <%28413%29%20585-9134>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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