[Hidden-tech] Electronic calendar

[Joseph Steig]

oops: meant to include this link for more info on contact sharing:
http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?answer=60218

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Joseph Steig <josephsteig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, Jan, I don't think that's quite right about Google contacts and
> calendar. I don't attribute to Google all the nefariousness that you do. I'm
> sure that they're quite smart enough to mine data any way they please,
> regardless of how contacts are or are not segregated!
>
> About contacts:
>
> First, I believe that Outlook also saves every e-mail address you send and
> auto-completes it. It's a helpful feature for most users, not something
> evil. Google is tremendous in my book for making small continuous
> improvements to the user experience. I'm sure they're doing all sorts of
> stuff behind the scene that we don't see, but they have no need to degrade
> the user experience to make their data mining easier.
>
> Second, Google makes a distinction between "All contacts" and "My
> contacts". I believe that only "My contacts" will sync and it only puts
> e-mails into that section when you've e-mailed the person multiple times or
> when you manually elect to put the contact there.
>
> Finally, not perfect but you can export contacts and import them into
> another GMail account.
>
> Here's some additional information on contact sharing, which works if you
> have multiple users on the same domain (i.e. not on user at gmail.com but on
> a corporate or educational version with a customer domain--I pay Google $50
> per year for my customer domain name account, with no ads but you can get
> the same service for free with the ads)
>
> About calendar:
>
> I use a BlackBerry and sync it with Google calendar. Wonderful! I'm able to
> sync multiple (infinite?) numbers of calendars into my BlackBerry. Sharing
> of Google calendars with others is also excellent. And if you're on a
> corporate account, even better: you can give others privileges to add to and
> manipulate your calendar etc.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Jan Werner <jwerner at jwdp.com> wrote:
>
>>    ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
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>>   ** If you did, we all thank you.
>>
>>
>> After 15 years of using Palm PDAs, I was shocked at how poor Google's
>> contact and calendar implementations turn out to be.
>>
>> For example, there is no way to prevent Google from adding the address
>> of any email you send via gmail to Google Contacts -- you have to go
>> into Contacts and manually delete the address if you don't want to keep
>> it. Also, there is no simple way to manage multiple accounts owned by
>> the same person or to synchronize or transfer records between them.
>>
>> I suspect that this is deliberate on behalf of Google. Multiple accounts
>> for the same individual would immensely complicate the data mining
>> operations from which they derive most of their revenue.
>>
>> I don't know about Motorola phones, but HTC provides a program which
>> allows you to synchronize Outlook to the address book and calendar on
>> most HTC Android phones. I have a HTC Droid Incredible and although it
>> took me a while to get HTC Sync to work, it does the job. It even
>> supports Outlook 2000, which Google sync does not.
>>
>> Aside from that, while the Android address book is reasonably good, the
>> calendar program on the phone is primitive compared to what was on my
>> old Treo, or even my original Palm III. Once again, I believe the goal
>> is to get people to rely on Google's online calendar databases rather
>> than what is on the phone, to enhance their ability to data mine the
>> contents and target advertising at users.
>>
>> So while I really love the HTC Droid Incredible and what Android allows
>> me to do with it, I don't find it very good as a PIM.
>>
>> Jan Werner
>> ____________
>>
>> Christine Pilch wrote:
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Susanna, Droid doesn’t have an ap to sync with Outlook directly, so you
>> > can use a third party, paid ap, or do what do:
>> >
>> > Set up Google Calendar account.
>> >
>> > Sync your Outlook appointments with Google Calendar and sync your Droid
>> > with Google Calendar.
>> >
>> > Any change you make in one pace automatically goes to the other two. It
>> > works like a charm and is effortless.
>> >
>> > You can also sync your Outlook contacts in the same way if you want them
>> > on your phone. I don’t want several hundred Outlook phone numbers of old
>> > clients on my phone, so I sync my phone only with Google Contacts, but
>> > not with Outlook. This provides a backup of your phone book just in
>> case…
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > - Christine
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>> > *From:* hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> > [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] *On Behalf Of
>> > *Susanna Opper
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:32 AM
>> > *To:* 'Hidden-Tech Listserv'
>> > *Subject:* [Hidden-tech] Electronic calendar
>> >
>> > After all these years of holding on to a paper calendar, my new smart
>> > phone is making me think it’s time to get into the 21^st century.
>> >
>> > The phone is a droid. The question is, if I take the plunge do I use the
>> > phone’s calendar? Google calendar? Outlook calendar and synch? A
>> > calendar app? Something else?
>> >
>> > Some background:
>> >
>> > One calendar and one only is a rule I live by.
>> >
>> > I like to see a week or two at a time w. all my appointments shown. I’m
>> > used to a month at a time, but in reality I don’t care what happened
>> > three weeks ago, except as a record.
>> >
>> > I think I’ll want to print out past months for a record.
>> >
>> > I don’t think I want to synch because I’m sure I’ll be dashing out of
>> > the house and realize I haven’t synched and won’t have time.
>> >
>> > Typing on the phone isn’t all that easy, but you knew that.
>> >
>> > As ever, thanks for your wisdom and generosity.
>> >
>> > --Susanna
>> >
>> > *-------------------------------------*
>> >
>> > *Susanna Opper*
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>> > Twitter: @SusannaOpper
>> >
>> >
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