[Hidden-tech] DSL & Voip - THREAD DRIFT - now about the Cloud

[Rich]

First of all - (as webmaster) - there will be no more postings allowed 
with Subject: DSL & Viop that are about 'the cloud'
PLEASE be considerate and if you shift the discussion or see a major 
shift - change the subject or add formerly or now ....

As for using the cloud, I both agree and disagree -- read the guarantee 
even if you are only a service
user or renter -- if you are relying on a service - insist they tell you 
the details.

And use common sense about backups - I have both cloud backups and local 
servers and lately My book/world and Sharespace machines.
For those that don't have the luxury (or need) for their own backup 
servers, using the cloud services are much better
then the risk of machines dying.

As for using cloud services - we have had dozens of servers (technically 
instances) in the cloud for almost 2 years now,
and we love it -- yes it's different, and yes there are risks - but 
having had many physical server crashes and disks die
I can tell you being able to run up a replacement machine in a few 
minutes is a dream comparing with having to switch a drive out
at a colo.

Also, for those with real (or imaginary) security issues -- we have a 
number of private cloud configurations
and find they provide much better management, and instance security then 
regular web server configurations,
in fact, the new Hidden-tech web site is on our private cloud at Crocker,

Rich


RA Cohen wrote:
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>
>  I've got to add my 2 cents to this conversation. Please, read the 
> fine print on all the cloud agreements. There are no guarantees about 
> anything, nor will there be any unless one is willing to pay up 
> big-time. IT and the operation of data centers (where the cloud is 
> located) are not cheap no matter what. The free consumer services some 
> of you are thrilled to be receiving will one day bite you big-time... 
> regardless, make sure you have good off-line backups for that 
> unfortunate situation that is just waiting to occur.
>
> Permit me to tell a true story - I had the opportunity to attend a 
> recent event "Getting started with IBM software on Amazon Web Services 
> featuring WebSphere sMash and DB2" - and I received extremely 
> personalized, one-to-one training during this event. But guess what? 
> At IBM's lab in Burlington, Mass, we were having connectivity problems 
> that day - connectivity problems - at IBM can you imagine? - it was 
> laughable at times. The application we finally got running was, 
> believe it or not, an app designed to run a number of banks - yes 
> banks. When we finally got everything together no one, not even the 
> instructors, was impressed. And if I operated a number of banks I 
> would have demanded a refund.
>
> The tech business thrives on the latest buzz terminology. 
> "Virtualization" and "the cloud" are nothing but manifestations of 
> this marketing hype.  Some of it has a place in the real world, but 
> much of it doesn't and won't stand the test of time.
>
> Finally, the less my data is exposed to the public, to third parties, 
> to whoever, the better, and for all kinds of reasons. One very 
> important one: I sleep better because I know exactly where data is or 
> isn't. 'Nuff said.
>
> -Roy
>
> Jeff Rutherford wrote:
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>> The cloud is the future. Conspiracy theorists will abound, but the 
>> cloud is the future.
>>
>> I use hosted apps all over the place - not just Google - and by far 
>> I'm very happy.
>>
>> Google's rights grabs for books was bone-headed. But, it's not in 
>> their interest to piss off customers by screwing with your data. If I 
>> have to view ads in order to access free tools and services, I'll 
>> gladly do that. I use a variety of Firefox plug-ins anyway to block ads.
>>
>> The second that they launch G-Drive - the service-app that has been 
>> rumored for years now - I'll gladly back up every single piece of 
>> digital data I have to Google's servers - and I'll probably continue 
>> to use another competing back-up service too - just to be safe.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jeff Rutherford
>> 413 475-0087
>> www.jeffrutherford.com <http://www.jeffrutherford.com>
>>
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