In my experience, the purpose of forum like this, is to get the value of a full spectrum of input on any given issue. We count on hearing multiple points of view so that we may each take into consideration what comes from widely differing experiences. Previously unrealized alternatives are born from disparate points of view which we are all free to take or leave. That's' why I'm excited when someone doesn't agree with me. It means this forum works and I have a chance to seek expanded understandings. Though I'm absolutely certain he means well, please don't heed Richards caution. I for one, want your pure point of view without filtering for worries about or a need to protect another's. I'll do any non judgmental filtering for myself. I promise that no matter what anyone says, I won't imagine any attacks on my or anyone else's group. FYI Mine happens to be, "white human male, perfect health, full of gratitude for all the blessings in his life." There's a place for everything. As for giving or receiving spankings, the Advocate is a better place for that. ; ) Mark Firehammer _____ From: Richard Resnick [mailto:richardres at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:25 AM To: Mark Firehammer Cc: Dan Kirsch; hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Opinions: Voice Recognition Software and Jott In reaction to Mark Firehammer, It's great that things work so well for him. Like I mentioned, a very small subset of the population has success with Dragon. However, the list of 4 best practices Mark mentioned are all out-of-the-box obvious tips that any novice Dragon user learns immediately through the manuals and their very first interactions with the software. It's step 1. But it doesn't just work for most people. In the experience of my girlfriend, who like I said doesn't use Dragon to type quickly, but because she can't use her arms to type and depends on using a computer for her livelihood, she has obviously invested enormous energy evolving a set of best practices. This is her number one issue, with which she grapples every day. She has hired consultants, gone to speech therapists, brought in audio experts, used third party tools, tried eastern medicine, meditation, nutrition, doctors, and prayer. She is totally hooked into the voice recognition industry and recently has even given a talk directly with the lead developer and inventor of NatSpeak. (Incidentally, during HIS talk, he gave a demo and had about a 10% misrecognition rate.) So there are obviously different opinions and experiences. But I caution this group to be careful to use words like "of course [the group that gives up] blames the technology." For some of us this is a chance to speed up our typing input. But for others, this stuff is about serious issues - like disabled people's ability to make livings. Let's be mindful of this. Richard On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Mark Firehammer <mark at adeptco.net> wrote: ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. ** If you did, we all thank you. Hi Dan, I've been using Dragon Nat Speak since version 4 in 2001. I too never learned to type well. Voice recognition has been a tremendous productivity boon for me. I even use a dragon certified portable digital recorder which I dictate into while driving to optimize use of that time. Once I get back to the office, that audio file is translated into text for me. I have introduced and trained at least a dozen people to use Dragon. Half of them continue to use it years later, and the other half gave up early on. The difference between the two groups is that the continued users follow the rules, principles and guidelines that ensures success with voice recognition programs. The group that gives up doesn't follow the rules guidelines and principles and ultimately frustrated. (Of course they blame the technology!) Continued success with voice recognition is a combination of 4 things, 1. Learn to speak the way you need to speak to a computer for it to understand you. I tell people to learn to speak like a newscaster, flat and steady always in full sentences. 2. Correct the software when it makes a specific mistake and it will not make the same mistake again. 3. Frequently optimize your audio settings to ensure proper sound levels required for good recognition. (I do this a couple times a week. It only takes a minute) 4. Spend at least 30 minutes initially training the program to recognize your speech accurately. Also allow the program to analyze your writing style by telling it to go through documents that you've written. Make a habit of those four things, and you will never regret moving to voice recognition! By the way this entire e-mail was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking version number 9, using a dragon certified Bluetooth microphone from Blue Parrot. It took approximately 90 seconds to dictate, and spell-check found two typos before sending! Good luck and happy dictating. Regards, Mark Firehammer Adeptco has become: Mark Firehammer 413 303 0315 SkypeID: Compatikey Website: http://techeffective.net <http://techeffective.net/> Facebook: Profile <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1209428263&ref=profile> Links: Free <http://techeffective.net/free_support.htm> Support Remote <http://techeffective.net/remote_support2.htm> Support _____ From: hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] On Behalf Of Dan Kirsch Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:32 PM To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: [Hidden-tech] Opinions: Voice Recognition Software and Jott Friends - I just got a promo for Dragon Naturally Speaking 10 and it got me seriously thinking about making the investment. So I'm interested in hearing list members' opinions and experiences with the variety and quality of voice recognition software options out there today. I've never used one, but my image of them is slow and buggy with a long learning curve to get to a decent level of functionality vs my pitiful typing. Also, I'm curious if anyone is using Jott http://jott.com <http://jott.com/> and what that experience has been like. Thanks Dan -- Dan Kirsch KirschLeuchs Consulting Florence, MA 413.221.9521 dan at kirschleuchs.com _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hidden-tech.net/pipermail/hidden-discuss/attachments/20090124/6f15c6a1/attachment.html