Hi all, I was frankly shocked that anyone would think I was offering a "tongue lashing" for saying there were at least two perspectives in the AdClub request. I was just pointing out that no one was forcing anyone to do anything. Would I like payment for my work? Of course! Would it be nicer if they offered Web designers payment. Of course! If you think I don't value your hard work, you are very wrong. I took a short course in Dreamweaver this fall and admire you all (Web designers) more than ever. I presented this request on behalf of the Ad Club for those who want to get entree to the larger companies in the region, which this club represents. From my short experience as a new member I feel they are very generous in their promotion of members. Plus I have heard that the president does a great deal to provide people with referrals. I have had numerous responses from Web designers on the list who, like me, think of this as a form of marketing. And marketing costs time and money. Plus, people can decide what level of time/commitment they want to offer. Again, this is a personal choice. So let's agree to disagree. best, Amy Zuckerman