Regarding the "When Google Owns You" message: one anecdote doesn't necessarily mean anything. But if you're concerned that you won't have access to your Google account--which is a very realistic concern--you can set things up so that a mail client also downloads all your mail to your own computer or server, or you can have all your e-mail automatically forwarded to a backup account. I should have noted in my previous post (about how well Google seems to handle my spam) that (1) I did spend a while "training" my account by clicking the "Report Spam" button. Don't know if this really mattered, since I hardly ever got any e-mail and (2) I am one of the very rare people paying the $50 per year per inbox for Google Apps for Domains (you can also get Apps for Domains w/o paying) which comes with an uptime guarantee (and also eliminates the advertising on the side of the window). So, your mileage may vary . . . --------- joseph at steig.com | 617-500-7376 EST On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Aurangzeb M. Agha <ama-list at mltp.com>wrote: > Here's the down-site of relying on a 3rd part for all your applications > (like e-mail): > > When Google Owns You > http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-google-owns-you/ > > Better, IMHO, to have a mail client that downloads your mails so you have > them on YOUR computer. > > > Rgs, > > Aurangzeb > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Joseph Steig wrote: > > : ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's > area. > : ** If you did, we all thank you. > : > : > : > I received over 88,000 Spam messages in the last 30 days! Just checked my > Spam "folder" which I never normally do. > > And almost NONE of them came into my inbox--perhaps a dozen a day at most > on a bad day. > > I use Google's GMail. I have seven e-mail addresses that neatly flow into > one inbox. I have only ONCE in the last year had Google incorrectly identify > something as SPAM--I never normally check my Spam "folder". ("Folder" is in > quotes because GMail doesn't actually use folders but rather uses tags.) > > I sound like an advertisement for Google, but with Google in my life, Spam > no longer exists as a concern for me--it's Google's worry and they handle it > beautifully. > > And yes I know, Sergey and Larry and the CIA are reading my e-mail. But > small price to pay . . . > > --------- > joseph at steig.com | 617-500-7376 EST > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Matthew Crocker <matthew at crocker.com>wrote: > >> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. >> ** If you did, we all thank you. >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote: >> >> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. >>> ** If you did, we all thank you. >>> >>> >>> Here's an idea. >>> >>> Since I have become the owner of Shaysnet, I have had a chance to look at >>> a >>> lot of spam. What I have observed is many of my users get the same stuff. >>> So, couldn't there be a program that says "if X users (let X be some >>> reasonable number like 4) get the same mail, it is spam, therefore deal >>> with it" >>> >> >> Thousands of my users are on the same mailing lists so they get the same >> messages. If I deleted identical mail after the 4th message I would have a >> lot of angry customers. >> >> Of course my "deal with it" would be to collect all the spam for one day >>> and send it all back to the first spammer of that day. If enough ISPs did >>> this... >>> >> >> All spam comes from a bogus sender address and if you send the spam back >> to the address in the e-mail you become a spammer yourself. This is called >> a 'Joe Job' >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job >> >> I switched @crocker.com & @the-spa.com over to Postini about a year ago >> and haven't looked back. fighting spam was a full time job for me, eating up >> huge resources in bandwidth and CPU. I used to have 10 high end machines >> getting crushed by spam (greylisters, dedicated DNS, spamassassin, >> anti-virus ...) now with Postini I have 4 (2 inbound SMTP & 2 POP/IMAP >> toasters). I have 2 full GigE connections to the Internet in >> Springfield, you would be amazed how much bandwidth spammers could eat up >> if you let them. I regularly had several hundred mbps hitting my mail >> servers causing a huge log jam and backing up mail for hours. >> >> I'm 1000% better off letting Postini handle my inbound spam. They have >> more resources (owned by Google) to both deal with the spam and handle the >> legal aspects of tracking down the culprits. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jim Ussailis >>> >>> >>> >>> Original Message: >>> ----------------- >>> From: htcontact at town-websites.com >>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:58 -0600 >>> To: ssol at interactiveguild.com, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email >>> >>> >>> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. >>> ** If you did, we all thank you. >>> >>> >>> I think the spam problem can be best attacked on ths technical side. >>> >>> The protocols for email were established long before anyone imagined SPAM >>> would become such a problem. There have been a patchwork of afterthought >>> spam interventions, by ISPs, by email services, and at the end user's PC, >>> but email by and large continues to use a patchwork on top of old >>> protocols >>> not suited to the task. I haven't ever really looked at the protocols, >>> certainly not recently, but I think a starting point should be something >>> like a real identity registration that can be verified, something like >>> DNS >>> registration, so you could tell the true source of email without having >>> to >>> use heuristics to guess at the identity or what the content is. >>> >>> Even venturing at an design gets complicated enough to require a task >>> force >>> and years of discussions, never mind implementation. But I think a >>> better >>> technology could make it easier to weed out spammers - through legal >>> means >>> or simpler, more accurate screening; while also having a lighter impact >>> on >>> small organizations and business that need reliable ability to contact >>> their clients than the current patchwork. >>> >>> Charlie Heath >>> Town Websites >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >>> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> >> -- >> Matthew S. 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