[Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email

Joseph Steig joseph at steig.com
Tue Aug 26 10:39:43 EDT 2008


Regarding the "When Google Owns You" message: one anecdote doesn't
necessarily mean anything.

But if you're concerned that you won't have access to your Google
account--which is a very realistic concern--you can set things up so that a
mail client also downloads all your mail to your own computer or server, or
you can have all your e-mail automatically forwarded to a backup account.

I should have noted in my previous post (about how well Google seems to
handle my spam) that (1) I did spend a while "training" my account by
clicking the "Report Spam" button. Don't know if this really mattered, since
I hardly ever got any e-mail and (2) I am one of the very rare people paying
the $50 per year per inbox for Google Apps for Domains (you can also get
Apps for Domains w/o paying) which comes with an uptime guarantee (and also
eliminates the advertising on the side of the window).

So, your mileage may vary . . .

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joseph at steig.com | 617-500-7376 EST


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Aurangzeb M. Agha <ama-list at mltp.com>wrote:

> Here's the down-site of relying on a 3rd part for all your applications
> (like e-mail):
>
> When Google Owns You
> http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-google-owns-you/
>
> Better, IMHO, to have a mail client that downloads your mails so you have
> them on YOUR computer.
>
>
> Rgs,
>
> Aurangzeb
>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Joseph Steig wrote:
>
> :   ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> area.
> :   ** If you did, we all thank you.
> :
> :
> :
> I received over 88,000 Spam messages in the last 30 days! Just checked my
> Spam "folder" which I never normally do.
>
> And almost NONE of them came into my inbox--perhaps a dozen a day at most
> on a bad day.
>
> I use Google's GMail. I have seven e-mail addresses that neatly flow into
> one inbox. I have only ONCE in the last year had Google incorrectly identify
> something as SPAM--I never normally check my Spam "folder". ("Folder" is in
> quotes because GMail doesn't actually use folders but rather uses tags.)
>
> I sound like an advertisement for Google, but with Google in my life, Spam
> no longer exists as a concern for me--it's Google's worry and they handle it
> beautifully.
>
> And yes I know, Sergey and Larry and the CIA are reading my e-mail. But
> small price to pay . . .
>
> ---------
> joseph at steig.com | 617-500-7376 EST
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Matthew Crocker <matthew at crocker.com>wrote:
>
>>   ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>>  ** If you did, we all thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
>>
>>   ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>>>  ** If you did, we all thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's an idea.
>>>
>>> Since I have become the owner of Shaysnet, I have had a chance to look at
>>> a
>>> lot of spam. What I have observed is many of my users get the same stuff.
>>> So, couldn't there be a program that says "if X users (let X be some
>>> reasonable number like 4) get the same mail, it is spam, therefore deal
>>> with it"
>>>
>>
>> Thousands of my users are on the same mailing lists so they get the same
>> messages.  If I deleted identical mail after the 4th message I would have a
>> lot of angry customers.
>>
>>  Of course my "deal with it" would be to collect all the spam for one day
>>> and send it all back to the first spammer of that day. If enough ISPs did
>>> this...
>>>
>>
>> All spam comes from a bogus sender address and if you send the spam back
>> to the address in the e-mail you become a spammer yourself.  This is called
>> a 'Joe Job'
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
>>
>> I switched @crocker.com & @the-spa.com over to Postini about a year ago
>> and haven't looked back. fighting spam was a full time job for me, eating up
>> huge resources in bandwidth and CPU.   I used to have 10 high end machines
>> getting crushed by spam (greylisters, dedicated DNS, spamassassin,
>> anti-virus ...)  now with Postini I have 4 (2 inbound SMTP & 2 POP/IMAP
>> toasters).     I have 2 full GigE connections to the Internet in
>> Springfield,  you would be amazed how much bandwidth spammers could eat up
>> if you let them.  I regularly had several hundred mbps hitting my mail
>> servers causing a huge log jam and backing up mail for hours.
>>
>> I'm 1000% better off letting Postini handle my inbound spam.   They have
>> more resources (owned by Google) to both deal with the spam and handle the
>> legal aspects of tracking down the culprits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jim Ussailis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From:  htcontact at town-websites.com
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:58 -0600
>>> To: ssol at interactiveguild.com, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email
>>>
>>>
>>>  ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>>>  ** If you did, we all thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the spam problem can be best attacked on ths technical side.
>>>
>>> The protocols for email were established long before anyone imagined SPAM
>>> would become such a problem.  There have been a patchwork of afterthought
>>> spam interventions, by ISPs, by email services, and at the end user's PC,
>>> but email by and large continues to use a patchwork on top of old
>>> protocols
>>> not suited to the task.  I haven't ever really looked at the protocols,
>>> certainly not recently, but I think a starting point should be something
>>> like a real identity registration that can be verified, something like
>>> DNS
>>> registration, so you could tell the true source of email without having
>>> to
>>> use heuristics to guess at the identity or what the content is.
>>>
>>> Even venturing at an design gets complicated enough to require a task
>>> force
>>> and years of discussions, never mind implementation.  But I think a
>>> better
>>> technology could make it easier to weed out spammers - through legal
>>> means
>>> or simpler, more accurate screening; while also having a lighter impact
>>> on
>>> small organizations and business that need reliable ability to contact
>>> their clients than the current patchwork.
>>>
>>> Charlie Heath
>>> Town Websites
>>>
>>>
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