A few points of clarification A) Yahoo or Google groups are a service B) ListServ and MajorDomo are software you (or someone) run on a servers you (or they control) and offer you (the list master) service on -- also Listserv runs on a mainframe (or did since it is one of the oldest list manager) And both the publisher and others run services using both those. As for ads, that is a function of the service and if they charge or are free. And a further note, the Hidden-tech list runs using Mailman, which we have integrated with the user profile system - which is software (B above) and there are people who run services running mailman. Rich Nate Bartlett wrote: > Hi folks, > I've been looking for a product similar to Yahoo! or Google Groups. > Also like ListServ, or Majordomo, but newer and with intuitive, clean > GUI. I don't want ads, but anything anyone could inform me about > would be great! > Thanks, > > Nate Bartlett > Teltrab Computer Consulting -- Rich Roth CEO On-the-net Bringing you complex online systems since the net was young http://www.tnrglobal.com - http://www.on-the-net.com/rr/