Adam - I completely agree that it is tough to find worth-while classes in web design in this area, but there are a few (you mentioned you've taught one :) For "learning the ropes" of graphic design, the certificate program at HCC, run by Bev Wodicka, is excellent. I'd highly recommend it. But like anything, you get out of it what you put into it. In graphic design, and *especially* web design, you must be highly motivated to keep up with current practices yourself & be up to the challenge of the constant changes in this industry. If you don't, your skills get old & outdated pretty quickly. The online sources you cited are excellent, and must-reads for web designers. I'd add: www.zeldman.com (I initially taught myself html via "view source" of zeldman), www.mezzoblue.com, www.simplebits.com & www.meyerweb.com to the list. There are so many fantastic resources & great people to learn from online. Bronwen Hodgkinson www.cdeVision.com p.s. I did a csszengarden design myself a while back: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/176/176.css -----Original Message----- From: hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] On Behalf Of Adam Connor Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:17 PM To: Daniel Guidera Cc: Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] advice about graphic design/web instruction ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. ** You too can help the group ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. ** If you did, we all thank you. Hi Daniel, Unfortunately, I can't point you toward any worth-while classes. All the ones I've checked out myself (though its been a while) focused on basic or outdated practices and neglected some of the more important things. I can however say that almost all of my knowledge comes form being self taught and keeping in touch with many other developers and designers, and that there are many online resources you can use to learn at your own pace. I'll list some of them at the end of this email. Also, I'd be happy to share with you all I know about the world of web design. My particular specialties lie in User Centered Design, usability, Information Architecture, standards based client-side development, and graphic design. I've been freelancing for about 2 years now, but have been a professional web designer for about six (I'm 26), and I'm currently the lead designer and user-experience architect for MassMutual's producer portal. So if you'd like any help, feel free to email me. I'll answer whatever questions I can, and if you'd like to get together in front of a computer and go over anything, I'm sure we can find some time. Lastly, onto the online resources: A List Apart - www.alistapart.com - A List Apart is published by Happy Cog, its essentially an e-zine on the topics of web design, development, and content. 456 Berea Street - www.456bereastreet - Roger Johansson specializes in standards, accessibility, and usability, three areas of web design that sadly, still seem to get overlooked by a lot of professionals Particletree - www.particletree.com - Particletree tends to focus more on development than design, but good stuff none-the-less UX Magazine - www.uxmag.com - This is a great resource on everything that can effect the user experience online, really great writing by really great contributors Mark Boulton - www.markboulton.co.uk - Mark has written some excellent articles in his blog on subjects like web typography and designing online with a grid. Definitely check out his "Simple Steps" series CSS Zen Garden - www.csszengarden.com - I've taught a handful of web design classes myself (due to the lack I mentioned before) and I've always used this to show the students. Its more inspirational than a learning tool, as it demonstrates the strength of CSS and helps many people realize why coding layouts in tables belongs in museums next to the tyrannosaurus exhibit. W3 Schools - www.w3schools.com - a great way to get a handle on HTML basics and familiarize yourself with the HTML 4.01 spec, the XHTML spec, and the DOMs SitePoint - www.sitepoint.com - a great resource that runs the gamut, web design, server-side, client-side, content, etc. The books they publish tend to be pretty good too. I'm going to stop there for now. There are literally hundreds more, but it would take me to long to list them all. Like I wrote earlier, let me know if I can help you in any way. There should be no secrets in the world of web design - at least thats how I feel anyway. Adam Connor Little Green Toaster www.littlegreentoaster.com Daniel Guidera wrote: > ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. > ** You too can help the group > ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. > ** If you did, we all thank you. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hi, > > I might be in a situation where I'll have to make a mid-life career > "redefinition," and I'm wondering if I could solicit some direction, > information and advice. > > I've been in illustration and informational graphic design for many > years, concentration almost exclusively in Adobe Illustrator and > Photoshop. I've taught myself rudimentary "head-above-water" > competence in InDesign and Dreamweaver, and dabbled a little in Flash. > > When I look at what employers are requiring for graphic arts > positions, I realize that my skill set is woefully fallow for today's > market. Hence, were/when my current position goes away, I'm thinking > that schooling/retraining will be necessary. > > I'd like to get out in front of the process and begin exploring > options now. I'd be greatly appreciative for any information about > graphic arts (web/print) educational resources in the Northampton > area. I'd be particularly interested in semester-length classes, as > opposed to one-shot seminars. > > Thanks so much for your feedback. 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