Greetings, As for software-focussed groups in the area, there's always the Western MA Developer's Group: http://developer.nervestaple.com We meet every two Thursdays (including this Thursday at 7PM at Panera Bread in Hadley); anywhere between 4 and 10 people show up on any particular night. We were originally conceived as a Java/Python group three years ago (to align with the respective meetup.com groups at the time), but we always discuss a much broader range of topics -- Java, python, ruby, perl, lisp, programming techniques in general, business/entrepreneurial topics, video games, movies, family, and whatever else comes up. We'd love to have you come by. The group also has a mailing list, which is very low-traffic (mostly to remind ourselves of the next meeting, or follow up on topics discussed at the last meeting): http://developer.nervestaple.com/mailman/listinfo/java-python-dev As for the software companies in the area, there's always Snowtide. Someone mentioned "5 or more developers" (perhaps as a threshold of perceived legitimacy), in which case, Snowtide doesn't count (although I have hired 8-9 other developers over the past 18 months or so for short-term work, some local, some not, many of whom I've met through the software developers' group meetings). Cheers, Chas Emerick Founder, Snowtide Informatics Systems Enterprise-class PDF content extraction cemerick at snowtide.com http://snowtide.com | +1 413.519.6365 >> Who out there is contemplating any sort of technology startup, for >> what >> marketplace, and what sort of structure? What are the barriers and >> opportunities that differentiate the Pioneer Valley from other >> areas? I've >> got some ideas about these but I'd like to hear other people's ideas. > > I'm contemplating a startup, but I'd just as soon not go into too > much more detail. It's a software product, with one tentacle on > the web and one tentacle on the desktop and all kinds of buzzworld- > compliant social features and convergence. It will in all > likelihood be an LLC before I spend any money or pay anyone to do > anything, if that's what you mean by structure; it's the sort of > idea that a couple of people (possibly one person) can get off the > ground. > > The two major problems with the Pioneer Valley, from my point of > view, are the cost of doing business (but that's Massachusetts, not > just the area) and the sparseness of technical people. In Boston > and NYC, you can pick any random technology and find a dozen people > or more who are willing to get together once a month and talk about > new developments. You can probably find that in the Pioneer > Valley, but one will be in Greenfield and one in Longmeadow, and > there will be one in Pittsfield which isn't technically part of the > Pioneer Valley but are you really going to make the poor > Pittsfieldian travel all the way to Rensselaer for technical > companionship, and committing to a monthly get-together is hard > with those distances involved. > > I mean, I'd love to find a Perl users' group or a technically- > oriented Mac developers' group (Cocoa anyone?) but I'm not sure > there's sufficient interest in the area. > > And the cost of doing business -- I'm trying to bootstrap this on a > shoestring, and the $2000 or so it is likely to cost to get set up > as an LLC means I'm delaying that step until I've got a mostly- > working prototype on my own. I'm also trying to figure out how to > deal with the health insurance issue; when there's a legal > requirement that I have to carry health insurance, that makes the > barrier for abandoning my day job that much higher and the barrier > for hiring an employee or two higher still. > > Charlton > > > -- > Charlton Wilbur > cwilbur at chromatico.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech > Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the > Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members