At Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:51:00 -0500 Jean Graef <jean.graef at montague.com> wrote: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. > ** You too can help the group > ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. > ** If you did, we all thank you. > > > > > > The recent winds and ice have made us think again about backup power > for both our computers and household appliances. I still remember one > spring when the power was out for 3 days. > > We have battery backup on all our computers, but the longest any of > them last is a half hour and the manufacturer wasn't any help for a > whole office/house. The UPS systems commonly used for (home/office) computers are designed for either short power loses and/or to provide time to do a 'clean' shutdown. Not really meant for long term functioning during a power failure. Data centers that need to be up 24/7 no matter what use completely different technology, generally a diesel generator is the ultimate backup power. Ditto for hospitals and the like. > > Does anyone have any ideas about how to get backup power for 3 - 4 > days without using a generator? How much power are you talking about? A typical household has electrical service of 220V at up to 100A, or something like 220*100 VA, or 22KVA. 4 days is 4*24 hours = 96 hours. 22KVA for 96 hours yields 2112KVAHr, or a seriously large amount of battery storage. Now the 22KVA service allows for heavy appliances, such as washing machines, dryers, stoves/ovens, hot-water heaters, etc. I will assume that you what you want is 'essential' 'service': the computers, lights, small appliances and that you plan to skip things like laundry or massive feast/baking projects during a 3-4 day power outage, so what you need to do first is figure out what that amounts to, in terms of power requirements. A *large* pile of deep-cycle batteries and a (large) DC-AC inverter is possible. 2112KVAHr is a huge pile of batteries, though. You would need a way to charge the batteries as well -- this could include solar (photo-voltaic) or a windmill. A fuel cell system is also possible (I believe GE makes fuel cells that 'burn' propane or natural gas). Neither are particularly cheap (once you add up all of the pieces). A generator is probably the most cost effective way to keep your household running for several days during a power failure. It is possible to get a *diesel* generator and burn bio-diesel (this is a little more environmentally friendly). > > Jean > ----------------------------------------------- > Jean Graef > The Montague Institute > www.montague.com > ----------------------------------------------- > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Linux Installation and Administration http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Web Hosting, with CGI and Database heller at deepsoft.com -- Contract Programming: C/C++, Tcl/Tk