Good points all. I do agree that what works for one person is wrong for someone else. However, I take issue with the idea I like my accountant simply because he's my accountant. I've been with my accountant's company since 1981. In the first year I used them, they saved twice what I paid them. For the succeeding years, they have been helpful in personal taxes (which are complicated in our case), a Sole Proprietor and an S Corp tax situation. They have helped me straighten out some messes I managed to make with my tax deposits and they have been able to answer all the questions I have thrown at them. They have responded to IRS questions for me and resolved each one successfully. Dave Decker is a CPA, which has worked for me. For other reasons, I moved to a different accountant several years back for my current business and am much less happy with his work. Notice I did not refer him. Every mother thinks her child is beautiful; it's nature's way of perpetuating the species. However, I feel much less strongly about my accountant. In the business world, I do not give out referrals just because the person is my friend. In fact, one friend is still pissed off at me because I refused to give him the referral he wanted: "[name] is the best trainer I have ever worked with and we use him whenever we need a job done right." It wasn't true and whether or not it came back to me, I wasn't going to do it. I gave him what I thought was a great recommendation for the position he wanted: "He works exceptionally well with beginners and works hard to make sure each student succeeds." It was also true. I apologize if I've gone off the deep end. Words are my business and I take mine seriously. Don Lesser Pioneer Training, Inc. 14 Bobala Road Holyoke, MA 01040 (413) 536-1030 (phone) (413) 552-0472 (fax) dlesser at ptraining.com www.ptraining.com -----Original Message----- From: hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] On Behalf Of Wendy Marsden Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:21 AM To: Joshua Mintzer Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Recommend an accountant? ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group, you must be counted to post . ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. Joshua Mintzer wrote: > Lynn et al, > > I realize Holyoke isn't Northampton, but it's close enough I felt I > should pipe up. We went through several accountants, most in the > Northampton area who will remain nameless, who overcharged, and were > incompetant to the point of dangerousness. > > I really like our current accountant, David Temkin, who owns D&P > Business Services. He does good work, he is very meticulous and > detail/task focused (I see him putting in 80-100 hour workweeks during > tax season it seems.) and is surprisingly inexpensive for the quality > of work he does. He's at 256 Maple Street in Holyoke, and his number > is 552-0887. Please let him know I sent you if you call him. A "good accountant" is like asking for a "good teacher". It's got to be someone who works well with your style. I have clients that I find very difficult to work with and their bill is always higher and usually it's a worse product, too. The people who love me really love me, and the ones who don't, well, it's usually mutual. Everyone will recommend their own accountant because, like a doctor, you have a stake in believing you've found the best. A better idea is to check credentials. For a sole proprietorship an EA (Enrolled Agent) is often a better option than a CPA: a CPA doesn't necessarily have a specialty in taxes, and if they do it might be corporate versus sole proprietorships. I'd stay away from the kitchen-table moonlighters: they're cheap but quickly get in over their heads, especially with things like home businesses. You can look for EAs at either www.NAEA.org or http://www.natptax.com/. Ask how they charge. I charge by time plus a forms charge and/or e-filing fee. The places that just charge by the form have to overcharge quite a lot because they never know when a Schedule D is going to require 8 hours of basis research versus being handed a schedule from A.G. Edwards to type in. A client with a shoebox of receipts they try to add up in front of me is going to be charged an arm and a leg by my time basis, but I quickly get them trained (or send them home to try again.) Ask how they work. Do you mail in your stuff and never speak to them? Do they do an interview and spend an hour or so with you trying to nail down numbers? Do they use email? What works with your style? During tax season I'm nearly impossible to get on the phone between 8 AM and 9 PM as I'm with clients nearly the entire time, often with people backed up waiting for their appointment. I can return email before work, after work, or in the stolen moments between clients (and you'll never know that it took me 5 minutes to finish a single sentence. This email has been interrupted by three phone calls so far.) A good accountant is going to be busy. I keep getting calls from people complaining that their tax accountant is too busy to see them. Um, yeah, and what does that tell you? We sell time. I make most of my money in just ten weeks of the year. I make an effort to get all my prior year clients scheduled, but I will fill up every available appointment slot so at some point I've got to accept new clients if people don't appear to be coming back. And that's the last issue: don't assume everyone is accepting new clients. I'm only accepting new clients if they come with a good referral AND work in a business I'm most comfortable with AND I like the sound of them on the phone. Otherwise I'm closed to new clients. I can only handle about 350 people and it does a disservice to everyone - my 350 clients, me, my family - if I take more than that. Wendy Marsden, CPA, EA Tea & Taxes _______________________________________________ Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members page on the Hidden Tech Web site. http://www.hidden-tech.net/members