Some clarification is probably in order, agreed. In my PR work, a project is usually a few days' work, less than a week, and I try to avoid that, in favor of a strategy, a relationship. This translates to a minimum 6-month retainer...which is not always possible. When it's not, for example with a new-product press release and no followup editorial outreach, the client and I both do our best to agree on a project price, rather than time+materials. Hope this helps, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Yocum" <jeanne at yourghostwriter.com> To: "Hidden Tech" <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>; <Ed at edbride-pr.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Billable hours question > Hi, > > Re: response below, two things come up: > 1. When you say you don't know anyone who goes down to increments less than > an hour, are you talking about situations where you are essentially doing > project work and you have an estimated project budget that you're working > against? If that's what you're talking about, then I agree....I would never > give someone a budget for say, 3.5 hours...the hours would always be rounded > off to a full hour. > > However, if I only took 2.5 hours to do a job that had a budget estimate of > 3 hours, I would not charge them for three hours; I would charge them for > 2.5 hours unless we had agreed in advance that it was a flat rate project. > > 2. In my earlier message, I didn't mean to convey that I itemize each bit > of work down to the .1 hour on an invoice narrative. That's definitely not > the case. I have clients who don't even get summaries. If I'm billing > someone thousands of dollars, I give them a bulleted summary. If I'm > billing someone 200 bucks, they're more likely to get an invoice that says > "For public relations worked performed in February 2006" with the total > hours listed. I've been self-employed since 1989 and until last month I've > never had any client ask for a breakdown of hours spent per project. Of > course, this client is the president of an investment banking firm; these > guys are really into numbers. Fortunately, he wasn't questioning the > total; he just wanted an analysis of which projects took how much time. >