Hi Everyone, I'm new to the Hidden Tech list and have been watching this thread with interest. While I agree entirely Matt (and I know your history from way back to the spa bbs days) , I would caution people away from one of the newer Linksys/Cisco routers Ive setup which absolutely stinks, has been extremely buggy, not taking settings, etc: the WRV54G. We finally got it working but talk about bang your head against the wall frustration before we put the new firmware on. I still agree the linksys are good, I am authorized linksys and netopia, which while a bit more complicated to setup, is very solid. I also know that crocker is a fan of sonicwall products which is (like the netopia in my opinion) a step up from linksys. Depends on needs.. the linksys are great for most people as you say (I have the Linksys WRT54GP2, 2 voip ports, wireless, router, firewall, cooks the toast). Anyhow this has been an eye opener I've been considering going from my $50 monthly comcast to the $25.00 dsl but I think I'll hold off based on this discussion. I currently run a personal website and 2 VoIP phone lines over my comcast and it's been running just great, and fast. It's pretty darn expensive though :( matthew at the-spa.com wrote: >there really is a difference in the quality. linksys is owned by >cisco. all the isp's use cisco. > >matthew > -- Thanks, Matt Lampiasi 413-303-9167 http://florenceit.net Florence I.T. , Serving you and your community.